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Is "Natural" Safer? Facial Massage & Incoming Trends | Doctorly Unhinged Episode #2
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Are natural products inherently safer? And what do natural ingredients mean for your skin?
We also look into the studies behind facial massage, applying deodorant to your whole body, and what skincare trends that we should keep and which to ditch this year.
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The thing about synthetic ingredients is that it is easier to produce the exact same thing every time. When you are using a “natural“ ingredient, such as a flower, the season, where it’s grown, the conditions of where it’s grown, the year it’s grown, the soil, chemistry, etc,, all impact that particular botanical ingredient. It is not guaranteed that it will be the exact same every time.
Excellent point👍🏼
This topic reminds of the time I went to return some product that gave me a rash and went to the store to return it. I had a severe red rash all over my face and they didn’t want to refund my money. I pointed to my blistered face and they said the products were natural and shouldn’t cause a problem. I said, “Poison Oak is natural too. Would you rub that on your face?” After too much effort I got my money back. This was before Yelp so no review.
That sounds awful ☹️glad you were able to get that refund
Omg that sounds awful
Ouch. I'm glad you got the refund, but they should have never argued with you even if they didn't believe you. The customer is always right. 😊
@ANX oh, I agree, but I've been in a place of work where you have to help them with what they want even if you know they're lying. I know many who will try to use half a productive and then try to return it. Or wear a dress, wash it, and return it saying it didn't fit. I just had to smile and return it unless it was washed, of course.
This is such an intelligent podcast. It shows how much you respect your listeners that you approach these topics at all; even better, you do so with candor and rationality. I learn every time I listen to you two! Thank you!
As a dental student i can't help but admire their perfectly aligned teeth smh
I agree, the ‘organic”, ‘ all Natural’ and other labels don’t mean anything to me. A friend of mine has her own aesthetician business for many years. I asked her about the ‘natural’ creams and she said, she tried them but so many people were sensitive to the ‘natural’ ingredients and she stopped using them.
If you think about it logically, synthetic man made ingredients are literally designed to offer certain properties. Wouldn't people think it also means they design for safety
Love it. You guys cover so much and break it down so those who don't have a medical degree can understand it. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to do this.
When I see “natural” I think “possible allergens” and “dishonest marketing” so I am less likely to buy a product advertised this way
Love this format and the discussion of "natural". Natural is used as a marketing term and nothing more. Syphilis, Snake venom, Arsenic, and Cyanide are also natural.
Syphilis🤣🤣
Hello, I'm a surgeon from the UK. I do Head and Neck cancer including the three skin cancers.
Nice channel. What would be really helpful is one video from the pair of you presenting all the skin treatments/protocol into levels of evidences. What are the metanalysis and DBRCTs in cosmetic dermatology? What are the cohort studies and what are just the opinions? You guys are best in appraising the evidence.
love these discussions in podcast form. i learn so much from this channel, thank you both for sharing all the skin wisdom!
Regarding the pyramids, they actually do know some things about the people who built them. They found burial grounds nearby-ish and they contained burial goods as would befit artisans not slaves so the pyramids were (at least mostly) built by artisans, paid labor. Also they have found some graffiti from the workers too. On Curiosity Stream (streaming service), there is a series called Ancient Engineers that talks about how lots of different ancient things were built -- and how those engineering breakthroughs have, through time, led to modern engineering. Super cool and fascinating. One of the episodes is about the pyramids.
Like it better when you’re together! Lots of good information! Thank you!🥰
Love this format. Any way I can get y’all interacting and laughing I’ll take it!
I was a registered nurse for 40 years. At the beginning of my career, certain things were deemed to be scientifically true but by the end of my career, in some cases the complete opposite was considered to be scientifically true. For example, for most of my career, I wiped alcohol on baby's belly buttons to "dry them out more quickly and sanitize them", just to find out that it was a load of junk. Or, eggs cause high cholesterol to eggs are good for your cholesterol. So now in my retirement, I've tended towards the more natural treatments of things, meaning herbs rather than pharmaceuticals. But I totally get what you're saying. It certainly can be taken too far OR the reactions from herbs are not taken into consideration. But what angers me more than anything is the way pharmaceuticals are passed out without the patient being aware of the downsides of them or what they might react with. Of course they all have a mini book that come with them but most patients don't take the time to read it. A simple explanation from the doctor prescribing it would go a long way.
That's the nature of science--we are constantly testing, questioning, re-testing, doing further experiments, etc. We're always learning.
Dr Dray has been saying for ages that natural in skincare usually means simply more allergies😂 and i agree
Love the podcast ,I'm learning a lot ,thank you so much ❤❤
Hiiiii! I just recently came across your videos and I am sooo glad I did🙌🏼 with that said, I’ve searched your channel and idk if I’m missing it or if you haven’t done it, but could you please do a video on different vitamin c serums and rank them for different skin types! Thank you so much for all that you do!!!!🙏🏼
These podcasts are awesome!! I learn so much.
Love everything about your longform podcasts!
Whaaaaat! My fav Docs has a Podcast? So cool! You go guys!
I’m finding also that most people will defend “natural” with research that is really poor quality. I think if people knew how to critique research effectively then a lot of “natural” products would be red flagged a lot quicker.
This. Many people can learn to pull up a research article instead of a blog article, but they don't often know how to critically evaluate real research. Just because a paper is published doesn't mean that one paper has correct or useful findings. Not all journals are created equal. Not all studies are equal. You shouldn't accept one study in isolation in a larger body of work. And so on.
Congratulations on the podcast! It was awesome!
loving this format & the podcast in general. would love for you guys to review some crulety free skin products that are effective & work?
love your videos!! I'm wondering if you guys could make a video about different active ingredients cancel out each other? I remember I heard the video is on the future video list but never found it...
Such a good discussion... thank you so much...pls do make a video on the doctor who worked on tretnoin...
Agree that slugging is great! Thanks for the interesting podcast.
I like this format! Thank you!
There was a trend to take echinacea (from daisy family) to help shorten duration, lessen severity of a cold/flu. I gave my 10-year old echinacea capsule for his cold, thinking it would help him through it. Poor child had an allergic reaction of hives all over his body. Natural is not necessarily safe.
I’ve commented too many times now, but just wanted to let you know I tried the Neutrogena unfragranced hand cream for my lips as per your recommendations in a previous video, and oh my!! Soo much better than lip balm! My lips were dry and cracking despite constant lip balm use that used to work for me (I think my toothpaste has been drying out my lips and face because I have red skin around my mouth where my toothpaste bubbles out haha..) and from the first use of the Neutrogena unscented lip balm my lips feel soo good.. thank you!☺️☺️
I wouldn’t say I really look at natural or clean beauty products, but I do really try to avoid fragrance. I’m not old, but I do find as I get older that my skin just seems to be more sensitive. So thank you for sharing some insight and perspective on this!
Recently however, I did start doing facial massage, but no gua sha, just my hands. I find it has helped depuff, but as a year round allergy sufferer and teleworker, it really does seem to help relax and stretch my facial and neck muscles, so honestly, I’m not really doing it for a particular reason, simply put, it just makes me feel better. Also, the massage part of when I get a facial is my favorite part-it’s good enough for me!
i love your videos i told my son in college that is/was having acne issue to check your videos well he did and we set an appt with Derm lol !!!!!!!!!!! yall are doing a great job guys
Another great podcast, keep it up!
As a cancer survivor…when you get treatment people try to tell you of all the crazy treatments. Chemo is an awful treatment…I used alternative medicine as complementary medicine and ensured that anything I wanted to add that it did not impact of the treatment.
I am now about good quality ingredients and look for those. If it is a naturally occurring ingredient, then organic makes sense to use those to reduce potential contamination. That said, it is most important to use products from good producers, with ample testing, with sound ingredients.
Everything is a chemical and has the potential to irritate. I recently bought a "natural" deodorant from a very popular "natural" brand and my armpits exploded in a cataclysm of irritation. The next day I put on my partner's Old Spice anti-perspirant (which I would never buy for myself or use) and all was well. You just never know. But, in general, "non-toxic," "green," "clean," and "natural" labels make me just not want to buy those products. I'm not trying to reward you for trying to scare me with your non-science (aka nonsense): I'm on to you.
Twat was the brand name?
@@Mase32 Tom's. Again, not brand-trashing them because anyone can have a reaction to anything; rather, just saying that "natural" doesn't mean you won't have issues.
A lot of natural deodorants have soduim bicarbonate or baking soda in it that can irritate the skin. Most of the natural brands do offer a sensitive line that is more expensive but doesn't contain baking soda.
thank you , love your videos.
I agree with shorter ingredient lists and fragrance free.
Just discovered this channel and am a huge fan already! Thanks for the great content! I was wondering if you, or anyone in the comments, could offer some advice - I tend to go to the gym in the morning, about an hour after I wake up. Would you recommend that I do my skincare routine before, after or both? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks :)
Could you speak to lymphatic massage? I have been doing massages for clearing sinuses and inflamed parotid glands. And they are helpful.
Thanks this was very helpful ❤
Such a great episode.
Can you guys do a video on K beauty products and ones you’d recommend?
Fantastic. Great video.
I have had so many rashes due to cleansers since I was a kid. It’s crazy. I have used baby soap for years due to the allergies. Works well
Great show ) ! But I'll never stop singing the praises of facial massage 🙌 I've had a daily practice for 13 yrs ! Whenever I'm asked, I always say it's 1 of the TOP reasons my skin looks this firm in my 50s !
They are talking about natural remedies and not saying to stop facial massaging.
@@MrsDauphinee I didn't say they did, but they aren't convinced of benefits & after many yrs I am. To each their own !🌷
@@MrsDauphinee 33:35 - facial massage was the second topic. They indeed were not convinced about the long term benefits of facial massage. Short term benefits or changes, yes.
Hope you talk about at home face cupping
y'all are AWESOME
Can you guys do a video on Fulvic Acid for skin care. It’s this just a hike? Love you guys.
Thanks I appreciate your time 😊
Yayayay I love you guys!!
Love this podcast❤
Mr shah i wanted to ask what’s the most suitable and appropriate skincare routine and products and more specifically whether to use any sort of cream for teenagers pigmentation
Best postcasts on CZcams!!❤
You both deserve to be lords!!
Hi doctor! I love your videos your videos alot❤️ so please what I can use for a body acne and I have an oily skin? Would be glad if you could reply🙏
What do you think of Cicatricure products. Anti-aging. Could you do a review?
I remember when clean products actually were before it got hijacked. It was game changing for my skin. RIP to my former favorite brand that gave in to the trend and added all the crap I'm allergic to.
These guys are so dreamy 😍
Oh yesss DREAMY describes both of them!!!
I love that word slugging, I slug every night! Especially since it’s winter and I live in Maine!
I absolutely loathe the whole 'natural' and 'clean' marketing stuff that some companies have latched onto recently, and this is coming from someone who actually uses recreations of historical Victorian and Edwardian skincare products in their skincare regime (so basically 'natural' skincare). Long story as to how and why I personally chose to start using historical skincare, but I went into it with the full understanding that 1) Just because a product is 'natural' does not automatically make it superior to modern skincare products that have been developed in labs, and 2) Just because I'm using a 'natural' product does not mean I am completely immune from having a reaction to it. Most of the products I use contain beeswax, a known potential allergen for some people; I've had a reaction to a historical skincare product I personally tried because it turns out my skin doesn't like cucumber extract. If someone wants to adopt a more 'natural' or even vintage/historical skincare routine then fine, just personally I love the products I use and they've been beneficial for my (dry, mature and menopausal) skin, but at least understand what the allergy potential is with these products, what they can and can't do, and try a tester before you commit to buying. Don't just blindly buy into the marketing hype, and rush to the nearest trendy skincare product because it has words like 'natural' or 'clean' slapped on it.
Can you guys make a video on pregnancy safe skin care? I have no idea what to cut out or replace my current skin care with 😭 or if anyone has any suggestions on cleansers and other products that work well it would be greatly appreciated ❤️
Dermatologist Dr. Sam Ellis has a couple of good videos on this. She recently became a mom herself.
Hi! I love your videos! You are great! I would like to know what toner to use when i have vitamin c in my morning routine and retinol in my night routine. My skin is combination and some times once a month i have 1-2 pimples. My age is 33. Can i use a mild toner with Aha or bha with my routine night or morning? If not, what toner to choose?
Could you make a video about Methylene blue in skin products? The science, the facts, the data, the results. It is promising to be better than Tretinoin without the side effects and not leave skin sensitive to the sun. Maybe this year we are going to see more products with this ingredient and more research about it. Bluelene is the brand I know it has Methylene blue.
Am seriously looking at buying a red light panel. Here in Australia they are very expensive but am wanting to try for not only anti ageing but Arthritis and Depression. So bizzare that my father used a red light on his arthritic knees 60 years ago & as children we just thought he was "weird". All research seems to point to the fact that these lights boost collagen & help with SADS which is a real thing in winter where I live. Is this another 'hype' or for real? Would love your input as here in OZ a decent LED panel is over AU $1000 a fortnights rent.
Great podcast! Maybe I missed it but what do you guys think of face yoga? Do you consider it as facial massage?
Dears, very helpful, how about those electrical tools available like Nu Face? Would it be similar as a face massage, so temporary results? Btw, great work
In Australia we say “reputable” the way Dr Maxfield said it!👍🤭haha, love u guys
What are your thoughts on Korean skincare? I ask because they seem to be the least allergenic to me as someone with sensitive dry skin.
Not even realizing I ate pro biotics as a child… but I grew up on fermented foods and pickled foods. My mom was from Michigan and my dad was from Oklahoma. We are not German Italian but my mom grew up in a German /Italian area of Michigan. We ate sauerkraut ,olives every week and pickled foods. My dads mom from Oklahoma pickle foods to can and store for the winter. I ate pickle onions and greens for dinner quit often. I still love love all those foods today. I pickle my red onions for salads and eat olive La daily😅 Even Pickled Bologna!😂
Can you guys do one on all the red light devices out there now?
When it comes to food, I have digestive issues and food labeled “organic, natural, etc.” are what I gravitate towards. I know it’s green washing, but those products are way more likely to contain much less ingredients and are easier on my stomach. Now, skincare? Complete opposite. Anything labeled “natural” I just leave on the shelf. If it’s “natural” 9.5 times out of 10, it’s giving me blisters and/or a rash.
I just saw on CZcams about a Korean skincare company that has put the word “probiotic” in it’s label! What does that mean? Are we supposed to eat the skin cleanser? 😂
🤣🤣🤣just another stupid marketing gimmick to attract naive consumers
My grandmother used to 'buy' a wart from you and it was supposed to go away. I think it was just, as the doctors said, that it naturally went away with time. But I bought warts from my friends for years and they all believed it worked! 🤣🤣
Hi, can u please do a video or a shorts on J skin beauty hydra moist sleeping mask please ! 🤧🤧
Can you do a vidoe on gt20029 and pylautamide? New medicines for hair loss in trail which look promising
Question, guys! Avène thermal spring water? Good/useless? I saw this today and something you said made me think about it..
Hi dr.s is Dr.babor worth it does it really work will u talk about in the future ❤
speaking of 'ancient wisdom' or lost arts. it's sometimes amazing what solutions our ancestors came up with using what was available. sometimes it isn't the optimal solution NOW given all our options, but in that time and place was the best option. the old treatment may still have some merit, but not be as effective or safe as what we have available today yet some folks still prefer the old ways because it appeals to them. as long as folks understand (and believe) that all substances have risks and benefits and learn enough to make an educated choice, i'm for it.
A question about sulfur to be an important ingredient for treating second type of rosacea. I read that sodium lauryl sulfate. is actually to be avoided. So What concrete products you can recommend? TIA
What about “fragrances” and synthetic endocrine disrupters? I worry about chemicals that are carcinogens. I guess “clean” to me meant free of synthetic chemicals and fragrance that are banded in Europe or Japan cause they are linked to health issues. What are your thoughts on that? Example “tallow moisturizers”. Clean and useful or gimmick?
Facial massage been used for thousands of years but also need to use good ingredents stuff not allergic to. take care the inside and out side the temple mind body and soul.
Can you do some shows on the different beauty practices in different cultures?
Can a nursing mom use otc retinol and salyci and bpo ; if yes retinol olay night cream and bpo cerave wash save in nursing mom?
Can you place a link to the JAMA study? Regular or “unnatural” products also have uncountable number of carcinogens and chemicals. Keep the skin care to a minimum and study your products before using them.
Just a question. I've been trying to grow my lashes but I'm not really in a position to get a lash serum right now. Is there any natural alternatives I could potentially use? I have aloe, I have castor oil, I know castor oil isn't proven to grow hair but can it potentially reduce breakage to make them retain length. Your views would be much appreciated.
No.
Is it okay if I use the CeraVe SA Cleanser at night, and swap it with Differen Benzoyl Peroxide Cleanser in the morning?
I've been using a Bezoil proxide cream and I think I damaged my skin barrier can you pls help me I'm a teen who wants to get rid of there acne and have a healthy skin barrier
Please Reply🙂...I have oily and acne-prone skin 😢...will it be good to use benzoyl peroxide gel after salicylic acid facewash?
Dr. Shah is looking so dewy today!
Whenever I see “natural” on a product I immediately feel skeptical and turned off from the product.
Companies Greenwash and naturalistic fallacy are both reasons why someone may purchase a “natural” product. Everything is a “chemical.”
I’d much rather use a product with ingredients that have time and money behind studying them. Proven to be effective.
F. Perry Wilson, MD recently released a book on how Doctors can effectively treat patients while also incorporating more holistic options. He goes on the say that one reason that patients turn to holistic medicine is due to the lack of trust in current doctors and healthcare in general. He’s 100% for science backed medicine, but also understands why people turn to “natural” sources and how to work on regaining patients trust and incorporate their wishes into a treatment plan.
Can you guys tag me and explain the order o clean my face. I have benzoyl peroxide 10% adapalene gel .3% and erythromycin.... do I do erythromycin last? Or before the adapalene?
Dr pls ans ME, minimalist salicylic acid face wash is good for daily use?? Can I use it everyday to wash my face??? Pls reply sir....
I'm with Dr Shah on "reputable" :).
Hi there! I'm a middle aged man with some Sebaceous Hyperplasia on my face. It bothers me. I saw a dermatologist who told me the treatment, (laser), would probably leave scars. Can you recommend a treatment that might minimize their appearance at least? They are in my T zone (?) and I'm fair skinned with blonde hair. I would appreciate any help you could offer. Thanks in advance!
Isotretinoin taken systemically is the only treatment I know of that is effective. I have these as well and can't stand them. I have skin that easily reacts to injury so hyperpigmentation is always a concern in terms of removal. There are some things you can do prior to removal like applying pigment inhibitors (tranexamic acid, alpha arbutin, etc). I'm considering having one removed and seeing how my skin reacts. I was told these are caused by sun exposure and the production of sebum so keeping that in check may help (salicylic acid, niacinamide and sunscreen use). I've done all of this as well as use a retinoid at night and still have seen more of these. It's so frustrating. If you're considering removal, I would recommend a cosmetic dermatologist because they are more mindful of how the skin will look after removal and they may have a more helpful game plan in terms of treatment.
I totally agree with everything you just said in this podcast but….. even so everything is so individual. I was wondering if you guys take in consideration the difference between male and female skin and the different hormones which play a role. For example a heavy acne may be a sign of hormonal or gynaecological problem found in women. I know that many women go with the “natural” cosmetics because they are afraid of hormonal changes related with the harsh ingredients. I mean an allergy may be frustrating but a second period through the month can be even more concerning. I totally had this experience with Clinique facial care. I also hate “natural” cosmetics found everywhere but I will give you another example. I have been using Caudalie eye cream the last 5 years and the results were honestly nothing to brag about but after I started ROC retinol under my eyes cream in attempt to be more proactive the real wrinkles showed up. I didn’t have any retinol irritation but my fine lines become wrinkles in a week (not more than 3 applications) and few months later they didn’t reverse. Well I have to say that I am almost 37 years for the picture to be complete. I like your channel and I myself have been following the majority of your tips and I found improvement but I am still confused. I also don’t trust in the clean and natural products found on the market well maybe only Caudalie. Would you like to make a video on which dermatologist developed and/or recommended brands are safe to use and deliver goods results and which are nothing like advertised. Thank you! I love and appreciate your work ❤.
Wait, does my prescription Nizoral shampoo / ketoconazole have fragrance?
Is Augustinus Bader “the cream” worth the price?
@doctorly can u pls do a vedio on The Drunk elephant vit c.blc the reviews are mine blowing. I read it's the closest to the best vic c in the industry and compare it with Skinceutical .Thank you😊
When watching this podcast on a smart TV the audio loses sync with the video and the actual audio becomes you guys talking about sweating and putting deodorant all of over your body. Then it suddenly cuts off and goes black. I have severe hyperhydrosis over my entire body so I was interested in hearing this. I can’t find it anywhere on your channel. I control the underarms with CertinDri, which was life changer to find many years ago, but I still sweat all over the rest of my body and face. All year round. Do you have a video on this somewhere. I could never figure out what was happening to the above video on the smart TV. It doesn’t have the “deodorant talk” when watching it on the phone. Do you talk about the difference in deodorant and antiperspirant? This comment probably sounds psychotic, but I’d just like to see the source of the deodorant audio. Thanks.
caught that Sandigo comment.
The word natural/ clean in skincare = itchy to me😂