"She’s Flapping In The Wind A Bit" | Is Netflix's Baby Reindeer Entertainment Or Exploitation?
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
- The hit Netflix Show Baby Reindeer premiered just over a month ago, earning its creator Richard Gadd rave reviews, along with praise over how he portrayed themes of stalking and sexual abuse.
But one person who isn’t impressed is Fiona Harvey, a woman internet sleuths quickly identified as the ‘real’ Martha Scott, who harasses Richard Gadd’s character Donny in the show.
On Piers Morgan Uncensored, Fiona repeatedly denies stalking Gadd in real life; calling him 'psychotic' and a 'liar'. She also makes it clear that she’ll be taking legal action in the near future.
Cristo speaks with mental health trainer Marilyn Devonish and entertainment journalist Sam Dowler over the issues of entertainment and exploitation.
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On the prison term issue, my guess is, she was convicted, but was given a suspended sentence, hence "she has never been to jail." Reminds me of when Lance Armstrong used to be asked whether he ever took performance-enhancing drugs and his answer always was "I never failed a drug test!"; verbal sleight of hand.
Na I think she’s weird, and a bit cooky , she was the butt of jokes at the pub ! The story’s grew …he moved on , the story grew into a legend and he cashed in without thinking she would ever get found.
@@cgray8267exactly
Shame Piers didn't ask her about the alleged injunction that Laura Walker / Wray alleged that her and her then husband had to obtain on her, in 2002
Another theory is she changed her name. There is at least 1 name change for sure so she may have been convicted under another before that!
@jessymonster he said she didn't go prison.
I know someone who worked on a true crime documentary for Netflix and he said the amount of proof they require to back up your story is massive. He said they want to see receipts and proof of everything or it doesn't go up. People seem to think Netflix would just make a show about a real person without seeing any proof or looking into legal matters. The real woman from BR clearly lied all the way through the Piers interview as she's clearly got issues.
” In interviews about the series, Gadd said while Baby Reindeer was fictionalized for the Netflix series, he noted that, “Emotionally, it's all 100% true.”----what the heck does that mean? and why did the series start with "This is a true story?: Is it one of the "My Truth" cliches?--I want to know what was true and what was fiction? I also want to know if Gadd was replying to these texts and emails that she was sending and apparently he has admitted to doing some physical things with his body parts while looking at her picture?-Please help it make sense--I can't. He has also admitted to not always being sober and at times he led his stocker on
Netflix certainly took liberties with the truth onThe Crown and many people believed their depiction of the RF--
@@coralieelliott2076It's extremely obvious that she almost drove him mad. He was having an episode in his life. Do you realise how young he was? He was 25 when it started.
@@coralieelliott2076 He allegedly also had drug issues as he alleged that a comedy producer groomed him. But he does state to be fair that he was partly culpable. Also former MP's wife Laura Wray has alleged she was a previous victim of her stalker behaviour for five years.
@@LyndaHillWhy believe someone you don't know so easily?
It's a show.
I don't trust her (in her interview), but I have no reason to trust him either.
60/40 70/30... I don't know. Certainly not believing a stranger 100%
I am not sure mental health issue is actually relevant in this case. The problem is that people with certain issues dont see themselves as having a problem, so they will not only deny they have an issue and will then obviously refuse to do anything about it. There are a ton of these kinds of people in the workplace and unfortunately the law simply doesnt know how to handle the situation.
They literally said it was a true story when it’s not. They made no effort to conceal her identity and have made some terrible accusations about her. Sending 42k emails is a huge difference to sexually assaulting someone which is what they’ve accused her of.
They protected the so called rapist and I can’t help but think that’s because Richard is still gaining something from him.
Me too i think gadd is gross
Well Laura Walker / Wray. Recognised her from the Netflix series as being her and her ex husband's former stalker!
i thought the same the rapist gets off with it but she gets outed
He gets to tell his story. It was brilliant and I completely support his story telling.
Wait until your stalked you may not be so understanding!
Both the perpetrator and the victim have mental health issues. Fiona outed herself: she came across as more Martha than Martha, sadly.
Yes but “Martha” was easily discoverable and so already outed. It could be argued that Richard chose to expose his mental health issues but she did not.
@sue.F this is a good point. I watched it a month ago and didn't enter my mind to find out who actors were portraying. Curious about Darrien but the drama just explained Richard's real life position. Since I have thought if someone else played Donny it would make unwell and alleged criminal and transgender people less likely to be targeted (and change the name to Baby Antelope or something(?) as Fiona knows she had a reindeer)
@@crystalaustralia but is “baby reindeer” really unchanged, we only have Fiona’s word on this. What if it’s Baby Dinosaur…
@@sue.F it is late and I may not be following you.
I'm not implying Fiona had a baby reindeer because she said so, only that if she had a baby reindeer and if she has mental health issue, calling the show Baby Reindeer is likely to upset or aggrevate Fiona's symptoms. I think Richard should have a platform but it appears to have made life difficult for a few people
@@crystalaustralia yeah, I know it’s wild - I’m just postulating another take on this. One thing is for certain there will be a sequel, if not just covering the media storm and public interest. Every other CZcams video is on “Baby Reindeer” some are even offering an opinion while admitting they’ve never watched it. It a cultural phenomenon.
They are both victims. My concern is Gadd has admitted mistakes but "Martha" is in denial.
Agree
He has stated on this morning he was interviewed by police. That's pretty odd if not true. Was she arrested? It doesn't appear so and imprisoned.
I have seen many analysis on this subject in last few days. Why have you not listened to Richard Gadd when interviewed saying that the scene showing the prison sentence was fiction, all he said about the matter is that it had now been resolved. Please do the correct research before broadcasting
the information they've got is sent from ipon
She’s just seeing the ££££ she can make from this.
Good on her, why not, that's all he's seen also
He wrote, directed and starred in the series. @@user-lb2xs4nz6b
She wants a piece of the pie.
Stalkers don't like being stalked all called out!
She lost it a bit in the interview when Piers asked her if she was in love with Richard.
She became very nasty then you can actually see the light bulb moment that she nearly revealed herself!
She has so many Facebook profiles & even has a status on one of them, "Reindeer I love you!"
She keeps them all updated with the same statuses or similar. I think I counted 7.
If she was worried about people looking for her or stalking her, why not lock the profiles or disable them?
Her grammar is atrocious! She couldn't have attended university!
On some profiles she is single & on others her relationship status is "complicated" not one says that she's in a relationship. She just lies & lies & lies!
Whatever her mental issues are she definitely has some narcissistic tendencies. She's obsessive and has a history of doing this. She's a repeat offender.
She probably did get a suspended sentence, so didn't spend time in jail or she did serve time & thinks she can lie about that. She lives in her own world. I don't feel sorry for her because people like this don't care how they hurt others. She's dangerous! Just never thought the world would find out. What I'd love to know is if she really has a job. She said Richard didn't have a job & lived off the government but he was working in a bar. She's the one who had all day to follow him around the bar. Bet she's not mentally fit enough to keep a job & she's the one living off the government.
I'm not trying to be nasty or take sides, it's just how I see it.
@@user-lb2xs4nz6b You don't think he worked hard writing a book, having Netflix pick it up and be the main star in the series? You think that's a piece of cake? What have you done lately?
@@user-lb2xs4nz6b Oh, and, make the biggest hit on Netflix of all time. Oh yeah, there's that.
Her world is "let's pretend"..
And heaven help anyone who wont comply...
If it were a male stalker people wouldnt give excuses
She knew 5 years ago! Why didn't she stop it at that time?
In television shows, dramatization and creative liberties are commonly accepted, allowing for deviations from strict accuracy. Whether a character is offered tea, alcohol, or a soft drink, or whether a meal is involved, becomes inconsequential in the grand scheme of storytelling. Similarly, the portrayal of events, such as a character not actually being imprisoned, or the last episode presenting a 'what if' scenario, contributes to artistic expression rather than strict adherence to factual events.
While some shows claim to be based on true stories, it's understood that such assertions often incorporate elements of fiction and interpretation. Take, for instance, 'Fargo,' which despite its initial claim of being a true story, is clearly fictional. The disclaimer of being 'based on,' 'inspired by,' or 'a true story' is more about capturing the essence and emotional truth of an event rather than adhering strictly to historical accuracy.
I don't think they needed to change the character's name; however, they did, so that should definitely absolve them of any wrongdoing. Also, I doubt Netflix would have produced the series if they weren't 100% sure that all these emails, voice messages, etc., didn't exist.
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
They should have to speak to someone who is a PRIVATE citizen and it being painted as a criminal. It’s important to make sure it’s true.
Hardly going to admit it though are they ?
I don’t think 🤔 that we know it is NOT true. She didn’t have to but if it was me I would have brought my truth. My personal feelings since she says it was maybe ……… this many times I did this or that or it didn’t happen. I think as a woman stalker we are saying mental health concerns. If it was a man we would say criminal. I think they could have warned her. No if the stalker is male or female I think our empathy should be for the victim. Stalking is a crime and now we are arguing about the extent of a crime.😮😮😮
Mental health should not be used as an excuse for the damage caused to others. Belittles people's suffering from people with these issues. They clearly need "help" but they shouldn't be forgiven for what they did just because. They have to own up to it still.
Yep agree- without a doubt she stalked Richard, harassed his family, was jealous if his gf...he went through a complete mental breakdown. He is an empath & admits his faults.
I watched an online certified psychologist say her actions as a Stalker could be described as Narcissistic with borderline PD. They're highly manipulative, controlling & never cease. They crave constant attention & do not care who they are hurting. They do not believe their actions are abusive & when caught they turn the tables & accuse their victim of all the things they've done.
@@mymai5859 Yet another one who says 'without a doubt' to some pretty serious allegations, so can you please link to the proof (not your opinion mind) where she has for example sent 40k+ emails, or harassed his family, or been in contact with his girlfriend, committed a sexual assault on him beside the canal or admitted guilt in court and then served a 9 month custodial sentence for her behaviour towards him?
Personality disorders. The only mental health issue where the victim has to get the therapy...as even professionals say they can't fix personality disorders.
@@mymai5859 you're mixing up the fantasy Donny with the real Richard, you can't categorically state that 'without a doubt she stalked Richard, harassed his family, was jealous if his gf' because there is no proof of that, it's absolute confirmation bias
You can when considering what she did to Laura Wray and her kid. @@scorpiorising7694
Look up Richard Jewel. Atlanta Olympics. The way he was treated was horrible. Look at evidence first
Yes--"recollections May Vary"
When did we start making excuses for predators? Is it just down to baby reindeer because Alex Belfield was convicted of stalking and yet no one showed much sympathy for him and excused his behaviour as being vulnerable and having mental health issues. Stalkers seek power and control over others and they stop at nothing until they get it as we saw in the series. You can’t excuse this and forevermore say it’s MH issues when it’s not. When will you people realise there’s weird people who are just that but that doesn’t make them mentally ill. There’s good people and bad people in the world the bad ones are capable of anything some thrive on manipulating and controlling others not because they’re mentally ill it’s because they can and they want to feel superior and powerful. It’s disgusting those of you who are stigmatising mental health in this way. People who do bad things to others should be held to account and certainly not excused. She’s done a great job at manipulating people over the internet and you just can’t see it.
Can you provide proof of any of the accusations that have been levelled against her? Apparently she's pulled the wool over everyone's eyes apart from you of course, please do share the verifiable evidence of the 4000+ emails for example, or the sexual assault at the canal, or what about the harassment of his parents? The custodial sentence she served? In fact anything at all that she hasn't already admitted to will do. Not your opinion mind, actual facts.
@@scorpiorising7694 Where did I say she is actually guilty? You forgot to mention how she is supposed to have glassed him at the pub. My point is too many people are quick to dismiss serious crimes as being a mental illness instead of calling it what it is (wickedness) and yes I do believe she requested the interview with Piers to manipulate the public into believing she is totally innocent and also she probably had $ signs in her eyes. That’s my opinion and that’s what I’ve given so stop being ridiculous and asking for evidence.
@@scorpiorising76944000. No, over 41,000. You are kidding. You think Netflix don't have the receipts? Don't have stacks of lawyers?
Well said.
@@TheStags1 in your initial post you referred to her as a predator, you also stated she had done a great job of manipulating everyone (except you of course) but you're saying now you never suggested she was guilty? Are you ok? 😂
She has been pursued by the UK gutter press since a day after the series launched and has been bombarded with death threats on social media during this time also. She was also invited on a host of shows to get her side of the story out due to this and as confirmed by Piers Morgan was only paid the standard £250 appearance fee for the interview.
I completely understand why you have replied in the manner you did, it's because as both of us are acutely aware, you can't back up your nonsense with any evidence whatsoever, imagine my surprise 😆
Yeah felt like she was changing her story a lot….or lying.
I can't work out if she believes she is a lawyer or is aware that she is lying?
She said she did not send any emails. Then it’s one email. Her answers aren’t consistent. She allowed this interview. If she thinks she can go after him legally, for defamation of character, she should do it. You do feel compassion for her, after seeing this. But, if she is really mentally ill, well then the writer is abusing her illness. Either way, it’s sad.
“Aftercare”- I’m SO SICK of victimhood!
She did nutty things/he did nutty things.
A show was made about their experiences.
She went to jail for stalking.
No one needs “aftercare”.
No one can find any proof she went to jail.
Evidence of all of this other than what you have watched on a story DRAMATIZED for Netflix When is Gadd going to come out and prove his claims because so far we only have his word these things actually happened.
"allegedly" went to prison . I believe according to Laura Wray who alleged Fiona Harvey stalked her. There was police / court action. But not jail time.
@@nutcracker2916 What's that case got to do with this one? For all we know he used that case and made their story his. Some of it is true but to what extent? After the impact his story has caused I think it's hight time the public got to see the evidence because people are just believing every word he says.
How do you know all this?
You watched a show on Netflix and have seen an interview or two?
All these so called experts!!🤣🤣🐄💨🐄💨
SHE IS NOT A VICTIM. This is the consequences of her horrid actions!
agreed
KING Charles he’s NOT a prince, he is our monarch!
Fiona and internet sleuths think it’s her. We really don’t know for sure because the creator has not identified her. Couldn’t this be “mistaken identity”
It was Richard Gadd's birthday yesterday. May 11.
shes sueing Netflix for a series she hasn't watched and said its not her!!!
why dont people watch the credits at the end....it states some bits are fictional!!!!! thats the court bit!!!!!
How many email Alex Belfield jailed for much less,
99% Of comments regarding the real events behind this TV show expose how stupid people really are.
It's a show.
Niether you nor I know these people, least what happened between them.
Having watched her interview I wouldn't feel comfortable trusting her, but she also hasn't had years to work on her story and the help of Netflix to tell it.
I'll wait and see before taking part of pile on.
"FLAPPING IN THE WIND A BIT."😂
Along with her curtains 😭
Curtains.
Can one of the journalist please find all of the documents under the name she used back then "Fiona Muir"
Richard Gadd had a great story, but I don't think he should have played himself
Why not. That’s part of why it was made it so intriguing, realistic (allegedly)and successful
Do we sacrifice the art - which is considered by the majority to be a bit of a masterpiece- for the safety of a criminal (whilst she still deserves humanity - she is still a criminal- despite the mental health issues)
He wrote the story, directed it and played the role. It is brilliant. Why shouldn't he have done it?
@@LyndaHill because he embellished the truth
@@Roxisound how can you label her a criminal if no charges were laid (according to him) and that she never went to court or spent any time in jail (according to her)
Netflix wont come out with any evidence unless ordered by a court. Reason the longer this goes on the story is still continuing in real time. Us the viewer in a lot of cases have become the stalker. Chasing her down just to start with. Desperate to find the truth. Imagine this that the lady on PierceMorgan turned out to be a 2nd Netflix Actor. That would be pure Genious.. How it stands at the moment. Baby Reindeer is still running. More people are likely to sign up to Netflix to watch it. So the Dollers will still keep coming in. Why bite of the hand that feeds you until you have to. If a Defimation casecis made. Ironically Netfix could get even more. So chances are if found guilty they would still make a hansome profit. Change the prefix to Based on The Truth. But since Fiona put her self forward on Pierce 's show. She kinda outed herself. Denied it was her whilst admitting to some of the events. Never once giving a real answer to many questions asked.
Soo.... Did it turn out she IS a lawyer and DIDN'T get arrested? With NO previous issues like those in the show? Hmm also She isn't media trained so she'd be unequipped for an international Interview on such a huge platform. I feel compassion for her and i do feel she is being exploited
Not Prince Charles it’s King Charles for heavens sake
Talking Heads;
Watched the Series.Watched the Interview, Now watched this .
Mr Fowler cant seem to form a completed thought or sentence and he is in Entertainment Review.
Netflix produced this piece over a period of time when any number of people ,journalists and investigators could have carried out background checks on the source material. Time will reveal what is true The premise itself is real and is sad and tragic,Top marks to the actress who played Martha. She is the Misery Chastain of of Netflix
He can't release the emails and voice messages.
That would actually be abusive.
Not if she keeps threatening him
It’s Actors - CASE CLOSED
How about "baby hippo" Martha's perspective?
The royal family is a public entity. They have security to keep them safe. This is an unfortunate girl who was thinking they had a connection. My vote exploitative. Where is the record of all those emails.
And what she did threatening a family with false abuse?
It should be changed to Based on a true story rather than, A true story. It's her she did it I have no doubt however she did not go to jail so it's not 100% a true story.
Surely if you admit that she never went to prison it's then equally plausible that she never harassed his parents, wasn't guilty of a sexual assault at the canal and didn't send the amount of correspondence he claims also?
That’s the only thing they did wrong in my view . The descriptor should be “ based on a true story “
There is clearly a license taken with some facts
However 41,000 emails and 106 letters are very specific numbers and are provable . Also this woman is a known stalker of other individuals who themselves have even sought protection from her . This may indeed be the reason she was so readily identified.
I am interested in people’s sympathy for this woman
If she were a man would this be the case . I very much doubt so
@@gabrielleandrew542 We were all sympathetic to Johnny Depp when the truth came out and many were sympathetic to Amber heard before the truth came out---I am always sympathetic to whom ever who have been wrongly accused
If what she says is true why don’t it be investigated to prove that this film is according to her all lies - then it would be sorted - He’s a multi millionaire now - did she serve 4 years in prison prior meeting the baby reindeer then for the so called crime received another 9 months - is she really a lawyer, he truth must come out x
regular woman...really
No one would be worrying about the mental state of the stalker if it wasn't a woman, do men who stalk and attack women get sympathy? No and rightly so.
And don't forget this woman was convicted of stalking and harassment in a court of law.
I was thinking the same thing
Yep, it's disgusting.
No she wasn't convicted of anything in court. Why would you feel the need to push a completely false narrative like that?
@@scorpiorising7694 hmmm seems you are correct, rather than pushing a false narrative I believed the scene in the dramatic series where she is jailed was factual, my mistake.
@@grebo247365 no worries, I think it's a really important point to make when they are billing this as a true story and not based on a true story.
In fact Benjamin King, Netflix's senior director in the UK stated the following last week : 'Baby Reindeer is an extraordinary story and it is obviously a true story of the horrific abuse that the writer and protagonist, Richard Gadd, suffered at the hands of a convicted stalker'
Note he doesn't mention this as the abuse suffered by the fictional Donny but rather the abuse suffered by the real life Richard Gadd, if they don't have proof of these accusations they will be facing an expensive payout.
Original Nuttah!!
Absolutely the worst show I've ever seen. Don't get the hype.
Firstly the guy is playing himself and acting out his own trauma including a SA. That alone make it one of the hardest hitting and unique shows ever. There’s the story itself which I understand if u don’t like but another major factor it the fact that we don’t know the truth. Her interview was all over the place. Full of lies but yet there were lies in the series too. It’s literally u folding in front of our eyes, and it’s far from over. I could go on but if u don’t get it u just don’t get it
@@Purpleakiindahouse I beg to differ.
Agreed 💯
@@HiveMind-qv1iy ok go on then. what is it that you are begging to differ
You said u don’t get the hype, I explained. so are u saying u suddenly DO get the hype. Not only that but u understand better then the people who like it.
I gave you 3 points why people (not you) like it. So I don’t see how you can “beg to differ” that doesn’t make sense 🤦♂️
@@Purpleakiindahouse You called it “one of the hardest hitting and unique shows ever”
Well mf I beg to differ.
sp0lit the money with her a move on
Why? Is that you Fiona?
For me, its entertaining 😂
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When it comes to stalking. He is a new age stalker on the biggest level. Not only making it a public issue but making a ton of cash. He never asked her permission
Zip it Fiona
@bandidapromax how ignorant and unintelligent lol. Keep on with your though it will take you no where
Wow. The sheer ignorance in your comment. Amazing.
Well none of this should have happened !! Richard shouldn’t have made money off his story Period. did he think this wasn’t gonna turn into a mess? At least should’ve stated that this was roughly based on a true story.
Women is after
Money
And rightfully so