The 2022 Subaru BRZ Is A More Powerful & Capable Tail Happy Sports Car
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- When the #SubaruBRZ and it’s Toyota twin came out nearly ten years ago, they reintroduced the affordable, rear drive, sports car to the young enthusiast. For 2022, the #BRZ and #GR86 is all-new with more of everything an enthusiast could want. We take the new #Subaru #BRZLimited to Lime Rock Park to see what this new version can do.
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After watching both our GR86 and BRZ reviews, are you team Subaru or Toyota? We’re just happy both are back for an act two and so should you!
Team GR86!
I've got my heart set on a 6MT Sapphire Blue BRZ Limited. Taking all my strength to not go down to the dealer tomorrow and preorder one!
I have a WRB 2017 BRZ Limited. I wish I could say Team Subaru for the Gen 2, but I'm going Team Toyota! I love the front end of the GR86 better.
toyota looks just a little better up front...
BRZ
2022 Subaru BRZ/2022 Toyota GR 86 has me more excited than any Porsche or Lambo! I think it's because I know I can afford it and that I will be buying it in November. So excited to own my first RWD sports car!
I am the same way. I was in a financial position where I could afford a Supra and went that way. I still love the twins.
Same here I want to get the Toyota version
@@420hansol You've been mentioning markup everywhere but there's no guarantee that there will be markup. You're just making that up.
@@420hansol I did contact my local dealers and they said they had no info about GR 86 and told me to contact them again in October. They said Toyota had not released pricing yet. They did not mention mark up. I live in NM.
@@420hansol I don't know. That seems like a really stupid decision with the new Z coming out too.
That Saphire Blue is the best color in my opinion. Stunning!
No sapphire blue for you. That's what I'm getting!
World Rally Blue for the win!
First color I crossed off, but apparently I’m weird because I like the BRZ bumper much better than the gr86
This car should have won some awards for Car of the Year in 2022.
I love that digital cluster for some reason. The simplicity has a real charm to it.
same, why put all that bullshit when you can have it all on one screen and even give us different modes to cycle through.
it reminds me of the Lexus F sport clusters
Agreed, modern because it's digital but still simple and straightforward
The look on your face while driving the road course. Seeing that is something that almost all $80,000 vehicles just cannot provide. Priceless!!! A huge high five to Subaru. Thank you for the fun review.
You are enjoying the BRZ so much, man. Great seeing you laughing and grinning ear-to-ear!
I've been holding out on buying one of these for a good time now, but with working going great right now, and this being a refresh model I might just have to jump on one of these. ALSO THAT DIGITAL CLUSTER IS ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN!
They absolutely nailed the new design for the brz and gr86 🔥🔥🔥
I’ve been waiting for this review for months now. It’s finally here.
Get a life
Same, really looking forward to this one!
The only thing that Subaru needs to fix is that god awful plate mount in the front. Thats the main reason why the GR 86 looks better to me.
That is true. I actually like the face of the BRZ more than the GR86, but yeah, that stupid bar in the front ruins it.
agreed
Nothing a little aftermarket can’t fix
I wholeheartedly agree!
@@MaddNomad1015 I don't think aftermarket can fix it budget reasonable for "just remove a stupid thing I didn't want".
Nice review, can’t wait till the back to back comparison
Personally prefer the front design of the 86 as opposed to the happier face on this. Can't go wrong either way though.
I was all set on the GR86 but honestly with more videos coming out, the BRZ has really grown on me. Especially with all of the STI tid bits teased.
Sofyan goes crazy in the automatic
Subaru: Please wear this helmet from now on.
LOL
ohhh right... for some reason i missed that
the front looks like it's smiling as if it's ready for the speed or loving the speed while driving 😆
The front of the BRZ looks like = ☺️
While the GR86 looks like = 😱
I just commented that it looks like it's smiling lol
Brz is 😂
Just put my deposit down on a GR86 that's in transit to the dealership, now I play the waiting game. Thanks for the great video!
Great job Sofyan!! You do a great job driving on the track!! Great review!!
I don’t know at 47 I just don’t want to go all over the place..lol.. my 3rd vw golf r.. I guess will come in 6 months.. 2019 golf r now .. i just want to put the power down.. lol.. not all this tail happy shiznet lol
This car would be rally sexy if they offered a 4 door coupe
Crazy idea, but not a bad one!
The duckbill spoiler is literally the only reason why I'd pick the GR86, even tho the BRZ uses better materials(aluminum vs steel) for the suspension .
Thats the most stupid reason
Hey Redline ... When you guys was doing the track run I was screaming .... E-BREAK NOW ,,,, E-BREAK AGAIN .... NOW NOW NOW E-BREAK. Drift into the turns
Very nice car and great review of all the options. Having watched both reviews I think the 86 is a nicer car looks wise in the front but the new BRZ is certainly not a bad second option lol. The after market support for these cars will be insane.
What a great career you made out of this Channel. At 9:14 I laughed with Sofyan. Can't wait to test drive the new BRZ/86.
Who knew whining and bitching was a career
@@nickr3441 Ah, just starting yours?
Who?
@@nickr3441 A reviewers job is to critique, you know.
@@lukeheffernan yea, like the door shutting? Who gives a fuck
Aggressive? It's a smiley face. I think that is the opposite of `aggressive`.
Phenomenal review as always! You’ve worked very hard over the years, and it shows. Good job man. When I get my GR86 turbocharged, I’ll reach out to you for a review
Love your channel. Can't wait to see your brz build.
@Cruz Ponce low boost and it will be A okay. Had 15 brz at 10psi for approx 45k miles without one issue, next owner beat the piss out of it without issues as well. Really depends on the tuner you have 👀
There's a true charm about the way a 6-speed auto pulls gears in acceleration.
pulling ratio sounds just like my mazda 3 auto skyactiv
The take rate on manual vs auto for each brand can probably be explained by each brands customer base and the offerings that they already have. I think a lot of Subaru at least recently had manual options, whether you are looking at the Outback or WRX/STI, and a lot of Subaru owners are pretty loyal to the brand. I think everyone has probably known someone who had an older manual transmission Forester or Outback or something like that. Whereas Toyota definitely has a lot more autos in its portfolio, even for their sports cars, like the Supra, so that probably plays a huge role in it.
sounds right. that has to be the explanation
wonder why they didn't angle the screen toward the driver
Its funny because i think the interior is way better than last gen. You dont have a huge plastic flat panel facing you on the dash. It's got a little more style to it and the vents look way better imo as well.
Keep in mind the 86 doesn't offer the amazing wr blue pearl color its only available on the brz imo I think the wr blue is best color on these cars👌
I know, I'm torn! I have a WRB 2017 BRZ Limited right now. I like the front end of the GR86 better, but I'd have to give up that gorgeous blue color.
Honestly if you get the 86 it's gotta be in Track bRed.
@@jonathanhughes5806 I too thought the frs front looked better but now I actually changed my mind I think the brz front end looks better and more expensive. Also exterior color is huge on a car the color combos on the frs are terrible. Red color isn't even that nice has no glass not shiny what so ever the wr blue color will be so vibrant and all the pearl in it will be a eye catcher.
Toyota gets exclusive Neptune blue. That is one I need to see in person for sure.
I gotta disagree. I think blue is bleh and plain.
It comes down to personal preference. I prefer the Subaru front grill and rear end, but the big deciding factor for me would be my preference in buying a Subaru from a Subaru dealership instead of from a Toyota dealership. I currently own a Mazda made iA sold by Toyota and they had no clue when I brought it in for warranty coverage on the infotainment system.
I am very curious on how the BRZ feels vs the GR86. I can't wait to drive them both.
They will be super similar. Most people won't even notice anything.
Look at those smiles. Never seen a car that happy! 😂
I liked the front number of the gr86 more initially from the first pictures I saw but the brz bumper looks a lot better in the videos than in a picture and has definitely growing on me. To be completely honest I could be happy with either. If I buy one of these cars I’ll definitely go to several dealerships and both Toyota and Subaru dealerships and just see who will offer me the best deal. Which honestly might favor Toyota for my area. Subaru doesn’t sell a ton of vehicles here in NC. Most of the Subaru dealerships here are in the larger cities where dealers are used to scamming people. Have gotten a couple great deals in the past at the Toyota dealers that are out in the country here.
Unfortunately for me, our local toyota dealerships are bad, and the subaru ones are worse.
Props to Toyota and Subaru for still keeping this car alive with a second generation. Both cars are great however I’d chose the GR86 over the BRZ for this new generation. Probably might pick one up in the next few years when they offer a performance package with Brembo Brakes.
You shouldn't have any problem with Toyota bringing back the Supra since this is a collab with another manufacturer
Exactly
@@350z33hr Mark from Savagegeese hit the head on the nail with this
The 86 dosen't matter as much, it's a much smaller nameplate and still 100% Japanese.
The MK5 on the other hand is a German car with one of the biggest nameplates in the whole JDM scene.
Toyota should of taken the route GM took to make the C8 with the Supra. Specially since it's supposed to be the flagship car for the GR brand.
AMEN
You don’t really need Brembo brake, this car is so light !
Can't decide which front fascia I like more. Learning towards the BRZ because of the lower grill, and the DRL.
I don't like the smiley face on a sports car. If it even is one.
The Toyota doesn't have a DRL?
I love the smiley face.. i think it looks cute.. reminds me of cars like the original miata or the dodge neon.
The brz has a huge smile and it looks very happy
@@jordanschellhase2952 id prefer happy over angry to be honest. I'm so tired of seeing so many angry looking cars on the road lol
It actually looks like a samurai mask
I don't get why the exhaust tips are recessed so deep into the bumper.
They stick out on japanese and european models (of the GR 86), looks much better.
*understeers all the way through every corner*
"it's so tossable and easy to control" 🤣🤣
been watching for a long time....format is so good. keep up the great work
going to trade i my 2019 veloster r-spec. and ive decided to go with either this or the gr86. love the videos you did between the two. going to help me with my decision
Damn I wanted the r spec earlier this year. So sad to see them go.
If I had a brand new car that was barely warmed up and someone revved it like that I would definitely take them out behind the woodshed. WTF!!
I have about 5% of my portfolio in uranium stock any advice on any other stock that I can use to grow my $300k capital to a million dollars?
You should buy and hold tech stock Crypto investment
You should know it's easy and hard to make that much profit. I say EASY because it's very possible to make that much, and Hard because you'll need professional assistance to do it, I'd suggest you get assisted by a market advisor.
@@kathyscharles8268 That is totally true, but how well does a financial advisor improve your profit? What is the experience like using an advisor?
@Mary Treadway This is impressive how could someone go about getting investment guidance from a coach like that, would you mind sharing your coach info?
I would really like to have an insight to this skill of yours because my portfolio shows little to no progress
If Subaru wants to keep their average age under 40, they should deliver my car before next March. My current ETA is April. I really shouldn't torture myself with these videos. 😂
Good work covering the 86 twins. I have a history with Subaru and Toyota (and Honda) tuner cars. My GR86 arrives in a few weeks. It was hard to find a manual, but I got a deposit locking one in as soon as it popped up. I think they will sell well, and I will probably regret not waiting to get the upcoming special anniversary edition that may come to the states, even if it is just appearance stuff.
That big smiley face everyone will see on the road.
I'm enjoying this driving season as you!!!
Man at first I didn’t like them but they have grown on me, however I still enjoy the first gen look better. Might lick one up 4-5 years from now with a performance package. Keep modding my first gen. That 50% chassis rigidity and stronger transmission is a good reason to switch imo. Nearly forgot engine mounted slightly lower as well as the seats being lower.
1000th Like! Great little review, appreciate that you drove both the auto and manual even though we all know that this car shouldn't have an autotragic option, hahah!
Appearance wise, I’m team BRZ. I like the smiley face front end.
Really can’t tell which front end I like more
That is what she said.
Personally, I like the the GR86 more and someone posted how the BRZ looks like the laughing crying emoji and I can't unsee that lol
I need to see both in person before I decide which to buy, but already I’m leaning toward the Toyota in that red launch color.
I had previously like the gr86 more, but these new brz videos are giving me some good angles. I do like the color of wheels of the brz more
10:11 Wish there was a cubby area underneath the toggle switches. Plus that center console / cup holder combo is pretty whack.
14:06 hahaha the look the guy gives him for calling it a “sports car”
Well ... it is technically a sports car and sold as a sports car. Just does not have the hp of a "sports car".
200 hp is crap today. My genesis coupe is 275 hp and 270 tq, that car is quick and pulls hard. Thats a sports car
@Cruz Ponce yea but most of today's society is about speed and power, NOT suspension, NOT handling and most want that TURBO ..
What good is a sports car that has no power ?? 200 hp in todays time is crap especially for a sports car.
The Miata is always the answer
@@Ortizjan2227 thats even worse
I chose between the two on the grill and i chose the BRZ, I put a duck bill on it too
Those headlights look like droopy eyes like the actor who plays igor.
I can’t wait for my 2022 BRZ to arrive!!!
The Subaru bottom grille looks like it’s smiling 😊
It's very hard to spot the differences between BRZ and 86. Pretty much similar side profiles.
These new models look older than the previous gen
Fairly certain the only exterior difference is the front bumper, at least on the base models.
@@riadyl3311 LOL 🤣. No, just no. This new gen looks about one trillion times better than the previous.
The front face looks quite different to me between the two and the toyota has a much taller rear spoiler. Both cars look good but i give the toyota a slight edge.
Subaru nailed that blue color.
The side profile difference is most different to me with the Toyota sporting the ducktail rear spoiler which looks excellent.
Great video, I have been waiting a long time!
Cars,Cars,Cars, gotta love them
This is a nice car! A GTI will still run circles around it but the rear wheel layout makes it more fun than the GTI. The interior looks nicer than than the new GTI too.
I'm just going to pop up the name Scion FR-S , for those who had or still have one in their garages. Scion rocks, hell yeah
Don't blame the cars understeer for your novice driving skills.
The way he grabs the steering wheel, cringe.
It’s easy to criticize our track driving, but the reality is, it was our first time on that track and we had to talk and drive with no preparation. Let’s see you do better ;)
@@theredline I wasn't criticizing your driving. I was pointing out the driver was saying the car has understeer when it wasn't the car it was his driving.
@@theredline bro…I am sick and tired of these jealous negative trolls coming onto your channel and complaining and critiquing everything you do. Like you said, they cannot do an6 better smh. You are amazing….and love your knowledge and ongoing professionalism. I love the bloopers and when you say “ a face only a mother can love” you had me rolling on the the floor when you said that. Please keep the jokes coming. And for the negative people…if you don’t like his page then stop viewing his content. I do think those who complain are deep down inside jealous of you….look at the number of subscribers you have….You rock!!!!
I'm happy to see the new BRZ & I'm glad that it looks good as well. The GR86 wins in the looks dept but not by much. What's up with the infotainment setup in the BRZ? That thing looks pre-historic.
I actually don’t mind the infotainment. Small and centered offering everything you need without being massive. I think this will age well.
I want one.
Me too!
The front lip of the 1st gen get scratch easily. Making it black is a good idea. It looks removable too.
I thought the previous gen was better looking - especially the rear end - but I do like the side profile of the new one. Glad to hear the price will actually come in quite a bit below $30k. Never had a chance to drive the last one, hoping to check one of these out though.
I disagree this version look much better (inside and out) and the Toyota looks even better 👍
How do you like this car compared to the ND Miata?
I truly wish Subaru would dump the CVT or at least offer this 6spd auto in the Limited models with the 2.4L Turbo. The CVT is crap. And as always, LOVE seeing your reviews!!
First off, dude you have way too much fun with some of these cars & that always makes me laugh. Secondly, as a last year Forrester XT driver, I'd like a more funner experience, and between a Toy & Subie, I'd have to lean to the 6 spd std BRZ. Going to have to test drive on a track (for a fee) without a salesman - any suggestions where common folk might arrange for that experience?
Saw you guys! I was trimming the grass lol
Great Video
Thank for this review. Do you find this car a good one for long trips in terms of confort? I would like to have it as daily but also travel with him.
my next car coming soon
Just so you know my friend, the touch screen doesn't want to go out of the back up camera when you have in reverse :) It is assuming you still want to go backwards.
Put that engine in that cross trek!
1:30 => car looks like smiling and the Subaru logo looks like a cute nose, the lights being eyes of course🤣
Very nice design, wont break the wallet. Amazing
Wished it didn't have a smiley face grill; other than that, it's looks good
It would be much less noticable in darker colors.
Why would you get a auto?
I really want either one.. Referring to the GR 86 or BRZ. I hope I can buy one of them within the next few years.
The Subaru web sight says that 93 octane is required. How will it sell in California? A detuned version? 😞
You look like you are having as much fun as the Straight Pipe bois were in that new Bronco.
The design language makes a lot more sense after you look at stills taken from the WRX teaser.
how did you find the breaks? it does not come with brembo brakes, does it matter? is the breaking power good enough as is?
0:06 Scion may be relegated to the history books but you’d be remiss not to mention the FRS!
Very interesting with the statistics between auto and manual between both of them
Less copying of Porsche in the look compared to gr86. This is very pretty. Nice smiling face.
Isn’t the sound of engine fake coming through speakers?? I double that engine would sound that good!!
Ok serious question now . Would you say the steering is lighter than the previous gen or the same ? The previous wasn’t too bad
i have a question, would you recommend the automatic if you're going to just ride around and not doing much tracking
I love the new looks of it. Way less bummy.
I like it more than the gr-86 one too.
I heard they made the cockpit less cramped also.
I know they meant the other one to recreate the wedge shape and although I like the front, I like the facelift and generally think the rear is finally FIXED. it just never sat right with me. Nothing wrong with the original ae86s imo
Bummy isn’t even the right word. More like basic. I’m the type of weirdo that would’ve driven a black pontiac firebird trans am like a villain if I was alive in the 70’s.
I’ve always liked doing those wide donuts and sweeping turns on a awd subaru, etc. but their strength has always been on precision handling and grip. Forget rallying, look at tt sti’s. Once you experience it, you’ll know.
I appreciate subaru taking it in that direction, instead of encpuraging everyone to bust a drift or get sidewayz or whatever. There’s pros and especially built race cars for that, don’t ruin your nice daily. Those are the cars that end up totalled.
I don’t think it was ever just about that even with initial d and motorsports but I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s fun. I love adding sway bars and coilovers, I’d never be against that, that’s also how it is over in japan where these tuner cars come from. But people also drive em off cliffs or should i say side of mountain trying to be cool, so…its the truth. People gotta use their judgement. Like slim profile tires and potholes. It ain’t gonna make it like that on the street for long. Yeah, ferrari has em but you ain’t supposed to daily that either. People will get mad, plug their ears, etc.
Hopefully the line of specialty affordable solid rwd toyota coupes as an homage to the 86 stays strong, and that there remains a semblance of purpose. Because while other companies are looking to the future with the pasts eyes this car is looking at the past with the future’s eyes. And directly tweaking what we know to create something still interesting as far as new cars go. We need to be interested. People hate boring tech.
My only fear in getting a new car, is probably the combination of boxer and timing chains and how much a nightmare it is for anyone to work on this engine ultimately unless they’re just putting in new ones. You can be putting around town in it and be destroying it or burning oil in it without knowing. They do like to go… people were even putting ea series engines on tiny airplanes. but they had specialty builders, which is my point. out of the factory, its great until something goes wrong and there’s no subaru expert you can trust or find easily. even if you were ready to pay. just forums where when theyre actually active, its pure disarray.
most engine parts are supposed to be replaced, and you start getting into aftermarket territory and if you’re not ready you’ll end up with a quick and dirty repair and then the car ends up shattering the engine down the line so you get a new one from the junkyard put it in if youre past warranty and then you never forget to check your oil again, etc lol. The problem isn’t even you, it’s actually chugging oil one day. I wouldn’t even buy a used one at dealership prices much less a new one. I know toyota has their own bank for financing you, but not sure how subaru does for interest rates. I’ve had a few imprezas.
At the end of the day you’re made to feel inferior for not having boost or nothing, lol.
Bolt-ons can be a lot of fun.
I’ve had to do a lot of upkeep, research, new motors, etc. Fun cars though…. I don’t think anything runs forever without maintenance and repairs, and the good thing about a boxer for me is that it was small enough to rebuild in my shed. But always had to track down someone who can bore and hone the block with diamond hone and ultrafine brushes…
if you want an sti version, you won’t be able to buy it from subaru; you’ll at least have to go to a performance shop. and thats good, because there’s already too many mustangs going wot down the street and making power for the sake of it just because they could afford the $60,000 package on what everyone knows is essentially a big stupid mustang. get this instead and see your car be compared to a miata in a magazine.
or you could have this, and then by the time I get my hands on it it sounds like a lawnmower with a rusty exhaust…
Hell if you get one that ‘runs and drives’ on auction, you might still end up with maybe a thrown rod, that you can’t see from out, and 2 dropped valves, and a spun bearing, and the wrong year head gasket for a sti on it, or maybe all of the above lol thats what I got…. one case half has a piston crooked and stuck in it permanently.
kicking myself because canbus is stupid and I can’t sti swap anything or go dohc. and I hardly even care; because I have time to read forums on the internet for days and I want to to make MORE POWAH BABY
studying harder than a damn witch.
and why does the new wrx, and outback and hyundai kona share the same plastic jeep fenders lol idk… look out when you go to a dealership theyll tell you they have no chips and no cars and you’ll be signing the papers like, “which one’s mine” don’t worry sir; it’s on the next super mega freighter out of japan.
I would probably buy this, if I needed something reliable and cool and sporty that I could buy at the dealership for relatively cheap fully optioned for the same price as a wrx, this has looks but you wouldn’t regret that wrx either… easier to get inside of too, this is lowww. Or you could get an impreza and turbo it lol. I have all the time in the world to work on my own stuff and usually broke…
once you’re paying the note on this, and you forgot to get that underchin spoiler but damn you also need a engine hoist so you can put those rep turbo headers on, ahhh lets go with the lip and double sided tape, hell lets make a youtube video…how does it go, hey its me ya boy…with the carbon fiber aliexpress fenders. hurry up and blow yr engine
ahh this has intake noise reproduction in the cab so you can hear it. if you keep an open mind about it, it’s better than any exhaust resonator delete.
i have to rethink of the brz new redisign, i just recieved a paycheck for my rent but that doesnt matter right now its this car,
i prefer the brz, but i do think the 86 is just as good looking for its small differences. ill probably trade my 2018 brz for one in 2 years. the lack of sunroof kinda bothers me but that might change
Subaru created a more elegant / timeless front bumper....... Yeah no, it looks more like subaru had two teams designing the bumper and at the end decided to merge both bumper designs into one.
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tbh I don't really care too much for the front fascia mainly because there will be a lot of aftermarket kits that will allow you to switch out that part anyways.
Subaru has about 75 SUVs in it’s lineup and I think they have room for another sporty car. They need a BRZ styled car on the global platform with 400+ HP/ STI drivetrain. Sign me up.
It looks like Toyota's springs are stiffer in the rear and Subaru's springs are stiffer in the front. And Toyota compensated this oversteer setup with a ducktail spoiler. Toyota's setup is closer to racing cars (oversteer for slow corners and close to neutral in fast corners when aerodynamic starts working, pushing the rear tires down). I'd prefer Toyota's approach but I just like oversteer cause it's easier to control than understeer IMO. Either way, the car should be neutral in most situations. Should try both.
Pretty sure with any reasonable front camber the BRZ will be more balanced than GR 86 on track. If not, stiffening the rear sway bar will get rid of the understeer. I'm pretty sure the ducktail spoiler is not generating any measurable amount of downforce to make any difference in corners below 100 mph.
@@TimurIskhodzhanov It's not as easy with mcpherson suspension. And a little understeer is not bad IMO. Excessive understeer is a problem though. I'm pretty sure that is not the case. Speaking of a spoiler downforce - you don't need much for a balanced car, and yes, you'll feel it closer to 90 mph. The problem is that you might loose some of that downforce when the car start drifting (cause it'll go sideways).
@@user-vy8jn9mc6g It is easy, to a certain degree. SPC 81305 bolts cost $20 and give you -1.7º; putting the bottom OEM knuckle/strut bolt into the top hole bumps it up to -2.0º. That's still not enough camber for these cars, but much better than 0º.
@@TimurIskhodzhanov I don't think that you need 2 degrees for a street car. You can dial the proper balance with reducing the grip from the rear with stiffer springs or more tire pressure. I used to have overinflated rear tires, cause I prefer oversteer. The car becomes nervous on the limit this way but I'm OK with that . For racing you'll need a lot more modifications either way.
Sofyan Bae.
Great insights as always. How would you compare it to a Miata ND2 RF?