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  • čas přidán 5. 02. 2017
  • While many people are familiar with the Ishapore 2A1 rifles chambered in 7.62mm NATO (largely thanks to their importation and sale in the US in large numbers), production of Indian Enfield rifles actually dates back to 1905, when the Ishapore arsenal was opened. The first rifles produced there were a batch of 3,000 MkI Enfield rifles in 1908/9. These were of course early pattern SMLEs, with features like split charger bridges, volley sights, and magazine cutoffs. Production quickly changed to the No1 Mk III pattern of rifle, which had been formally adopted in Britain in 1907.
    During World War One, the need for arms led to those first early rifles being rebuilt in the MkIII configuration, but they retain their original markings, showing their origin. Today we have one of those first 3,000 to look at.
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Komentáře • 406

  • @maiholiaw4927
    @maiholiaw4927 Před 4 lety +166

    I had shot this rifle a few times when I was a cadet, As of now, no security agencies in India is using this rifle anymore except for a few State Home Guard units ( Not state police). This rifle is rare even in India now.
    May I mention that in the late 90's A homeguardsman of the Assam Home Guards armed with this rifle, killed three and wounded two insurgents armed with AK's. He survived to tell the tale.

    • @pn3795
      @pn3795 Před 2 lety +10

      In right hands it is deadly and during ambush this gun is nightmare. Accuracy is 100%.

    • @DankGabenVII
      @DankGabenVII Před 2 lety +3

      good thing i bought a first production ishapore

  • @TBT-Canada
    @TBT-Canada Před 5 lety +151

    Its a beautiful gun. This gun is still used in remote corners of the country. The Ishapore Rifle factory is 20mins drive from my house. Thanks for making such an informative video..

  • @rlbadger1698
    @rlbadger1698 Před 7 lety +33

    Back in the 70's I picked up one of these and had a big shock. It weighted about half of what I was expecting. The stock was poplar. The hardware was aluminum (and looked like brass). And the barrel was lathed down and sleeved back to size with aluminum. The gentleman who had it, told me it was an honor guard rifle.

  • @MrMorganQuinn
    @MrMorganQuinn Před 7 lety +64

    As a 2A1 owner, I'm super excited to hear that we'll revisit Ishapore Enfields.

  • @p03saucez
    @p03saucez Před 7 lety +55

    I love my Ishapore 2A1. Such a sweet shooting rifle.

  • @SurajGrewal
    @SurajGrewal Před 7 lety +193

    it's rare to see a rifle made from my country in U.S.

    • @SurajGrewal
      @SurajGrewal Před 7 lety +16

      It's rare here too, it's rare to see a non shotgun / revolver example amongst civilian here.

    • @srspower
      @srspower Před 7 lety +15

      There are LOADS of Lee Enfields here in the UK. You can pick them up from around £200.

    • @rigormortis6481
      @rigormortis6481 Před 7 lety +8

      G3 ? No, that was never adopted. The FAL is in service with the police, and I guess as a reserve for the central paramilitary forces.

    • @rlbadger1698
      @rlbadger1698 Před 7 lety +5

      Back in the 70's I picked up one of these and had a big shock. It weighted about half of what I was expecting. The stock was poplar. The hardware was aluminum (and looked like brass). And the barrel was lathed down and sleeved back to size with aluminum. The gentleman who had it, told me it was an honor guard rifle.

    • @benaguilar1787
      @benaguilar1787 Před 7 lety +1

      Schmidt Rubin I spent some time in India last year. The police and security forces that I saw were armed with about a 50/50 mix of FAL and INSAS rifles, plus I saw a few aged AK-47s used at guard posts.

  • @yo10057
    @yo10057 Před 7 lety +122

    I'm still SM(i)LE(ing).

  • @bendover9862
    @bendover9862 Před 7 lety +327

    Britian would have been pretty screwed without India without during ww1 and 2.

    • @patriotenfield3276
      @patriotenfield3276 Před 5 lety +28

      Rightly told

    • @patriotenfield3276
      @patriotenfield3276 Před 5 lety +17

      That is the Best thing i ever have liked to listen

    • @rajatdani619
      @rajatdani619 Před 5 lety +39

      Ys it's true but Winston Churchill formal Pm of Britain said Very bad words for India inspite of Indian sacrifices In the WW1 or WW2....
      Today Indian economy and Army have left England way behind!!

    • @magecraft2
      @magecraft2 Před 4 lety +31

      They never truly got the recognition they deserved, my granddad worked with a lot of non British mainland troop in the war and like the exiled European fighters would not have a bad word said about troops from the colonies stating they where among the bravest lads he had ever known.

    • @christianweibrecht6555
      @christianweibrecht6555 Před 4 lety +10

      Well of course , Britain would of quickly crumbled under the strain of totalwar without its many colonies to drain.

  • @thecoolestdaniel4554
    @thecoolestdaniel4554 Před 2 lety +2

    I love the darker finish along with the little circular plate on the stock

  • @user-xq5og9lt8p
    @user-xq5og9lt8p Před 4 lety +130

    "India lacked workforce"
    Oh, how the turntables...

    • @arkadeepkundu4729
      @arkadeepkundu4729 Před 4 lety +44

      India didn't lack the workforce, they lacked skilled workers. Which is kinda understandable if you consider that the Indian education system was under British control & Indians were forbidden for most part from any technical education or training. Also it's hard to be an indian gunsmith when "illegal construction of a firearm" can get you hanged & setting up a proper gun factory was not allowed by the British Government. Until they wanted to set one up & realised they couldn't find anyone who could work as machinists & gunsmiths.

    • @NishantSingh-gn2ts
      @NishantSingh-gn2ts Před 3 lety +10

      @@gobimurugesan2411 naah as per chinese traveler indian at that time didn't had slave or beggar it was during 15th century that income gap led to caste divide ..like travancore breast tax was introduced in 18-19th century.so this discrimination was bought by slaving of people which didn't consider some people human this used to be done in middle east..and then it came to india so hope it's clear....and talking about British they were the one who traded slave mainly tribal and poor people irrespective of caste

    • @NishantSingh-gn2ts
      @NishantSingh-gn2ts Před 3 lety +7

      @@gobimurugesan2411 manusritir is not our vedas or religious text book it is just linked to Hinduism...even no one keeps manusmriti wasn't known to much people till britisher wrote about it....and before saying WhatsApp University go read about Balinese hindusm...which was untouched by britisher and Mughal...a shudra can become Brahmin he can be priest and same with other classes..first go n read before just shitting your thinking that is based on perception.

    • @vinay4358
      @vinay4358 Před 3 lety +3

      @@gobimurugesan2411 Actually gunsmiths and machinists existed in india the British proposed harsh laws which discouraged them to experiment and improve firearms
      although i do agree about the caste system

    • @officiallyundead9380
      @officiallyundead9380 Před 3 lety +5

      @@gobimurugesan2411 oh you poor child don't even know about british class system

  • @georgeavery5395
    @georgeavery5395 Před 7 lety +7

    Hey Ian! I've been watching forgotten weapons for quite some time now, and I know others are probably said this but I'll say it myself. the work work you do is absolutely fantastic, I find it is a very valuable source for very obscure knowledge pertaining to firearms. Please keep up the good work, I will always enjoy these videos!

  • @josho5108
    @josho5108 Před 7 lety +9

    Love me a NATO Ishapore. Thanks for the video Ian!

  • @lukeyoungman8816
    @lukeyoungman8816 Před 7 lety +40

    Ian do you know if all these Indian rifles were used by Indian troops only or were they used by other commonwealth soldiers?
    I have a nice condition 1908 Ishapore like this one and im in New Zealand.

    • @maiholiaw4927
      @maiholiaw4927 Před 7 lety +11

      Luke Youngman They were used by Pakistan till the 1950's I suppose. Nepal Armed Force, Royal Bhutan Armed Force, And the Bangladeshi Mukti Bahini in 1971-72.

    • @TBT-Canada
      @TBT-Canada Před 5 lety +4

      Afaik, they were exported too. It used to be made in the Ichapore Gun Factory which is about 20min drive from my house.

  • @jonapplegate6695
    @jonapplegate6695 Před 7 lety +23

    I will obtain one of those 7.62 Ishapore Enfields made to look like a jungle carbine someday. Then I will just pull it out and let my friends suffer from it all they can stand. I have a 2007 Indian made Royal Enfield Bullet 500 BTW. MOtorcycle, duh. It is a fine bike. Never has leaked, is as reliable as a 1953 era design can be as long as you do your regular (and frequent) servicing. It does seep a tiny bit around the barrel. Point being, I am not afraid of Indian made machines. ( 80's thru 90's bikes were a nightmare as the old tooling wore out, I will concede that.)

    • @mrinmoymukherjee3523
      @mrinmoymukherjee3523 Před 6 lety +1

      Royal enfield bullet in 50s that quite rare. in those indian public cannot buy those motorcycles it was just for military and for export market

    • @Sonofdonald2024
      @Sonofdonald2024 Před 5 lety

      I have an Ishapore Jungle Carbine. Kicks like a mule :)

    • @biggerbehindthetrigger2814
      @biggerbehindthetrigger2814 Před 3 lety

      I have one and it is avery accurate firearm. The one I own had a 1961 stamped on it. I can't seem to find much on it. I'm having a problem keeping the front stock on the rifle. It comes apart after 5 rounds. I just bought someone's chop shop sporter stock that they hacked up and I use that when I shoot it.

    • @Die_yuppie_scum661
      @Die_yuppie_scum661 Před 2 lety

      Are you drunk

  • @motorsportfangr
    @motorsportfangr Před 7 lety +151

    Wait the stars are part of the designation?
    Jesus Christ

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  Před 7 lety +65

      Yes, they most certainly are.

    • @SibbTigre
      @SibbTigre Před 7 lety +31

      Shouldn't be a surprise at this point. We built a barely functional bullpup, pressed it into service, then hired a German to fix it when it would be cheaper to better guns from elsewhere. Why wouldn't we have a mess of markings?

    • @aquadragon1
      @aquadragon1 Před 7 lety +11

      You do mean Gun Jesus i hope ?

    • @skullhammer9899
      @skullhammer9899 Před 7 lety +7

      Sibb Wolf Talking about the L85 (?) I'm asssuming?

    • @TheAlexagius
      @TheAlexagius Před 7 lety +3

      Thank politicians for the L86, the m16 would have been a cheaper better choice

  • @parthadebchakrabarti6401
    @parthadebchakrabarti6401 Před 4 lety +1

    Ishapore is very close to where I right now.it is the next town from where I am. I have been through the front of ishapore rifle factory many times

  • @Dja05
    @Dja05 Před 7 lety +44

    Holy shit, I didn't knew about the .308 indian lee enfields, need one NOW >_< !

    • @srspower
      @srspower Před 7 lety +6

      The British made .308 enfields too and they saw some military use right up until the 1990's ...

    • @Dja05
      @Dja05 Před 7 lety

      srspower not smle's :v

    • @someduckwithanultimax6549
      @someduckwithanultimax6549 Před 7 lety

      The British ones are L42A1 sniper rifles.

    • @duncanbrown1864
      @duncanbrown1864 Před 7 lety

      The SMLE Mk4 was supposed to be accurate to 1 mile with iron sights, though I suspect most sniper types would have had a scope :)

    • @Afroninja52
      @Afroninja52 Před 7 lety +3

      I have one. It's a delight to shoot. Everyone loves to shoot it.

  • @srspower
    @srspower Před 7 lety +10

    It's interesting that this rifle is 1909 because my friends Mk1 SMLE is 1909 and is almost identical to that apart from his has a moving stripper clip guide and a magazine cutoff.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen Před 7 lety +11

    the bayonet's length was designed to make up for the shorter length of the rifle...the 'S' in SMLE stood for 'short' meaning the overall length of the rifle...it was 'short' compared to the Lee-Metford which it replaced...during tests the troops allegedly missed the reach of the longer rifle as compared to the new, shorter rifle and the longer bayonet was designed to compensate for the lack of 'reach'. The *', pronounced 'star', designated the absence of the magazine cutoff. By the end of the first year of the Great War the uselessness of the cutoff became glaringly apparent, so in January of 1916 it was officially dispensed with (IIRC the date was 16 Jan 16)and after that date no more were produced with that piece of sheet metal...it made production easier, quicker and less expensive....in fact even before the official elimination of the cutoff, armorers were removing them as they came into the British version of Depot Maintenance. I personally own a MkIII* that was converted back to a MkIII (the star has been struck out) with the cutoff replaced. It was part of a lot given to the Austrian border police (surreptitiously) during the last days of the British occupation post-WWII. The Brits were way ahead of the curve, expecting Soviet shenanigans. and armed the Austrians in their zone of occupation, prior to the withdrawal of the four occupying powers from Austria...that country was the ONLY country which the Soviets willing left without first installing a puppet government or fomenting a violent revolution...On the Knox form is a stamp reading Osterreich Gendarmerie...

    • @fdsdh1
      @fdsdh1 Před 7 lety +1

      Mohammed Cohen yes, some figures within the British army were concerned that soldiers armed with G98's would and a distinct advantage in hand to hand combat due to the rifle's longer length. To combat this the 1907 pattern bayonet was produced. There were still quite a lot of people opposed to using the same short rifle across all arms. With the end of WW1 it was realised that bayonet combat did not take place that often, and in the confines of a trench a shorter and more handy weapon could be more useful. As such on subsequent British rifles like the No.4 the bayonet was short and simple.

  • @zoggy2
    @zoggy2 Před 7 lety +6

    I have a 1949 Ishapore No 3 and it is of excellent quality.

    • @marcusmcintire6683
      @marcusmcintire6683 Před 7 lety

      zoggy2 I have one as well. Great shooter and accurate, still in .303 cal.

    • @mrinmoymukherjee3523
      @mrinmoymukherjee3523 Před 6 lety +1

      love from india that gun is really working well tell us that our factory is not that bad. plus what you have there is 1949 when the indian goverment was in the transition period when indian administrative just took over the administrative control. it became republic in 26 january 1950

  • @Antiquefirearms724
    @Antiquefirearms724 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video, super informative and helpful. Thank you!!!

  • @thetelemarkdaydream8896
    @thetelemarkdaydream8896 Před 7 lety +1

    The best channel on YT. I always learn something new and interesting. Keep up the great work.

  • @jitendrapratapsingh7707
    @jitendrapratapsingh7707 Před 7 lety +2

    Fact. 303 is still in service in state police departments and for training to new army and police recruits..its very very famous here india even a small child knows about this legendary rifile..ishapore 303

  • @ChewbacaTW
    @ChewbacaTW Před 7 lety +1

    Thanks for the content Ian. I have one of those Ishapor 2a1 and I LOVE it! Very interesting to see an Indian made .303 enfield.

  • @rajasekhe
    @rajasekhe Před 5 lety +55

    Rather than Shortage of Skilled Laborer / lack of mechanical Knowledge It was the insecurity of the Brits to teach us technology. Mind you Rockets were first used in India for warfare. Which was taken back by Brits for Anglo-French war

    • @pixellivesmatter8409
      @pixellivesmatter8409 Před 4 lety +1

      The swords attached to the rockets used in mysore??? 🤔 That is some video game boss battle stuff.

    • @rajasekhe
      @rajasekhe Před 4 lety +6

      @@pixellivesmatter8409 I think either there is a need revisit the source of your knowledge or stop playing video games

    • @pixellivesmatter8409
      @pixellivesmatter8409 Před 4 lety +1

      @@rajasekhe I think you misunderstood the point i was trying to make. Read the wikipedia page for mysorean rockets. Tipu Sultan's rocket corps used rockets with swords attached to the nose end of the rockets and fired at the enemies. Once the propellant ran out, the rockets came down blade first and inflicted damage on the enemies.
      The outlandish but innovative use of technology is something similar to the one used in a video game character.
      *I think either there is a need for you to do more in-depth research before commenting or you should stop asking someone to not play video games, in the youtube comments.* ........ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysorean_rockets?wprov=sfla1

    • @rajasekhe
      @rajasekhe Před 4 lety +1

      @@pixellivesmatter8409 the way you read wikipedia and trusting it makes it clear. The purpose of Wiki is to people update it as they need and distort the views.czcams.com/video/9ZBhjlPp-mg/video.html
      .go through the video. A great deal of knowledge is still missing and need to evaluate the functions. Please see 32:01 for clarification

    • @samriddhanand
      @samriddhanand Před 4 lety +1

      @@pixellivesmatter8409 read history of Tipu Sultan and his use of Rockets on British army. It's documented in there history books.

  • @tallthinkev
    @tallthinkev Před 7 lety +2

    My great uncle may have used one of these rifles, or not. He was an English man in an Irish Regiment (Inniskilling Dragoons) which was part of the Indian Army at the time!! Unfortunately his was in the battle of the Somme and didn't make it home.

  • @Mr2ndAmendment
    @Mr2ndAmendment Před 5 lety +3

    Just got a 2A1, I'm pretty excited for it to arrive. I love my Savage US PROPERTY No.4 Mk I and I'm excited to have this piece of history, in a caliber that's easier to find. In Afghanistan we recovered a No.4 Mk.1 off some Taliban dudes, I tried so hard to take it back but I couldn't.
    Great video, I'd love to see a video on the Ishapore 2A and 2A1 specifically, that'd be awesome. If you ever have a lot with some Ishapore Enfields, that'd be awesome to do a vid on them, thanks!

  • @FireAssayDevil
    @FireAssayDevil Před 7 lety +4

    There is video footage from the Mumbai massacre which showed how obsolete the SMLE (or any bolt action rifle) is against the AK-47. An Indian policeman fires one shot from his SMLE at the terrorists armed with AK-47s, and then is forced to take cover from automatic gunfire behind a corner. All the policeman could do after that was throw a plastic chair around the corner, helplessly contained.

    • @KH-vq6fs
      @KH-vq6fs Před 7 lety +1

      OldContemptible those were beat cops and station cops..since then better arms have reached the police

    • @Byronic_Man
      @Byronic_Man Před 6 lety +1

      OldContemptible yeah,sad bitter truth

  • @ScottRuggels
    @ScottRuggels Před 7 lety +1

    My first SMLE was an ishapore arsenal .303 rifle, and i still have it. The front ears are more geometric and square, but otherwise it matches most wW1 period rifles except for an excessively blonde stock. shoots very well.

  • @Dixielinemuzik
    @Dixielinemuzik Před 7 lety +3

    I had an Ishapore 1920 a few monthes ago I sold for $250. It looked like it had been in a fire a long time ago. Also had a large spot chipped off the front top of the buttstock. Kind've regret selling it.

  • @prakalpdwivedi9711
    @prakalpdwivedi9711 Před 3 lety +1

    Curently a new type of infield is in production in indian ordinace factories known as .315 bolt action rifle (8 mm) for civilians which is enfields using 8 mm ball ammo.

  • @AnusheelSharma
    @AnusheelSharma Před 5 lety +14

    Ian please review and have a look at other made in India weapons too, like insas rifle and LMG, Indian version of sterling 9mm carbine, Webley inspired revolvers chambered in .32 and .22, Indian SLR ( FN FAL) ,Indian version of browning high power 9mm, Indian made Bren LMG etc...

    • @ayushmankumar1483
      @ayushmankumar1483 Před 3 lety +2

      For INSAS rifle and LMG, Ian would have to do a lot of research. And even if he did that, he can't easily procure INSAS rifle, LMG to display them in the video, like he does with historical and current firearms. He would have to ask Govt. of India to permit him, to display INSAS rifle and LMG for his video explaining the features and problems about them.

    • @chaitanyathaker3954
      @chaitanyathaker3954 Před 2 lety

      There is not much difference in our stens, revolvers, slr, browning hp, bren to global variants and above insas he can't unless our government allowed it which they won't because rifle has more bad than good and i don't think our government would allow to let those bad side of insas to get know globally.

  • @asphaltmemories4597
    @asphaltmemories4597 Před 7 lety

    I have a late production Ishapore No.1 Mk.III from 1952. They are beater rifles that never saw a day of proper care in their lives but they are solid rifles through and through.

  • @davmatt74
    @davmatt74 Před 4 lety +3

    My girlfriend bought me one of these mfg 1968 for 99.00 bucks in 1998. We got married a few years later had a couple of kids and are still hanging out together. We need to get that weapon out of the safe and go shoot it. Excellent rifle. Great wife.

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 Před 4 lety

      Yep... I'd certainly consider marrying a gal who bought ME an SMLE! lol

    • @kakalimukherjee3297
      @kakalimukherjee3297 Před 3 lety

      They cost 650 USD at the Ishapore factory these days. Nice story :)

  • @hussar1681
    @hussar1681 Před 7 lety

    Awww, this one looks exactly like the 1918 dated production SMLE for kingdom of Siam, which I had pleasure to handle year ago. The wood stock's color was exactly same gorgeous dark walnut.

  • @matthewmoses4222
    @matthewmoses4222 Před 7 lety +5

    No magazine cutoff, ahead of their time.

  • @adamc1272
    @adamc1272 Před 7 lety +4

    Ian - Great video as always. Interesting to note that the markings on the receiver indicate that it was stamped 'G.R.', presumably denoting, as you point out, shorthand for 'George Rex'. However, if the rifle was manufactured in that original batch posited, I.e. between 1908 - 1909, the monarch would have been Edward VII, who reigned until 1910. Just wondered if you had any thoughts and apologies if has been previously pointed out.

  • @corndoge2582
    @corndoge2582 Před 7 lety

    No wonder I haven't been getting notifications, CZcams unsubed me! This is one of my favorite channels

  • @tnekkc
    @tnekkc Před 7 lety +5

    I ordered an Ishapore in 1999 from Shotgun News Navy Arms for $90.
    I put a FAC scope mount on it. It got good groups with steel case 308 surplus.

  • @jonapplegate6695
    @jonapplegate6695 Před 7 lety +5

    I remember when SMLE was something you could pick up for next to nothing. I wish I would have picked one up then! But in a way, their price at the time was so low that it made you wonder what the heck was wrong with it. But a buddy bought one and it was a fine rifle. A far as it's chambering, there is nothing wrong at all with .303. I think we get caught up in the macho aspects of the bigger is better. I shot my buddy's SMLE across a canyon, guessing three hundred yards or so and split big rocks with it, once I figured out where to hold, (I doubt he even knew how to zero a rifle) I think that is more than plenty enough accuracy and power.

  • @burlatsdemontaigne6147
    @burlatsdemontaigne6147 Před 7 lety +3

    "The first thing to remember: There's no substitute for cold steel. They do not like it up 'em, they DON'T LIKE IT UP 'EM": ―Lance Corporal Jack Jones.
    !2 inches is probably enough too.

  • @m20superbazooka49
    @m20superbazooka49 Před 2 lety +3

    Ahh yes, the three not three rifle.... I keep hearing the name,offcourse from the vets of the 1962 Sino Indian war, One vet said,"Chinese military came at us with SKS and the Ak47(type 56,Indian guys call it Ak56) while we had the three not three as our primary battle rifle, most of the time they ambushed us and most of the time I had to rely on a Bren to save my life". Just after the war Indian army adopted the SLR(FN FAL).

  • @grumpybastard5744
    @grumpybastard5744 Před 7 lety

    Build the skill into the machine--the production engineer's mantra.

  • @keithtidswell2225
    @keithtidswell2225 Před 7 lety +2

    The SMLE cocks on closing the bolt. This particular rifle is cocked. It can be de-cocked, thereby relieving the stress on the firing pin spring by either pressing the trigger as you close the bolt on an empty chamber, or by lowering the firing pin by hand on an empty chamber while squeezing the trigger. All the while making sure the rifle is pointed in a safe direction. A cocked SMLE action always raises the red flag for me. Excellent review as usual.

  • @oddball_the_blue
    @oddball_the_blue Před 4 lety +2

    Ian - "I want to take a moment and touch on this bayonet..." - proceeds to poke it....

  • @mtbbtk3030
    @mtbbtk3030 Před 6 lety +3

    Got a 1968 2A1 jungle carbine in 7.62

  • @michaelsabo3949
    @michaelsabo3949 Před 6 lety +2

    I have a 1962 Ishapore No.1 Mk. III but it's chambered for British.303

  • @pratiharwarrior43
    @pratiharwarrior43 Před 7 lety +23

    this rifle is still in Indian police force service..

    • @FireAssayDevil
      @FireAssayDevil Před 7 lety +1

      Please, may I refer you to my comment below.

    • @KH-vq6fs
      @KH-vq6fs Před 7 lety +5

      it's mostly FAL rifles now except in medium to small towns and villages

    • @mrinmoymukherjee3523
      @mrinmoymukherjee3523 Před 6 lety

      first of all those are 7.62 nato enfield mostly police use fal or insas

    • @mrinmoymukherjee3523
      @mrinmoymukherjee3523 Před 6 lety

      you are right sometimes in north eastern or in jammu kasmir police use berrets sub machine gun dont know the name and indian reverse engineered ak 47 name kalantak

    • @GauravMuralidharan
      @GauravMuralidharan Před 5 lety +1

      The Police uses Lee Enfield chambered in .303

  • @thelegendaryklobb2879
    @thelegendaryklobb2879 Před 7 lety +3

    Welcome to another episode of Forgotten Lee-Enfields! :)

  • @jessesands4099
    @jessesands4099 Před 4 lety +1

    India Pattern Rifles are quite well known!🤔👳🔫🇮🇳

  • @Uguccione1409
    @Uguccione1409 Před 7 lety

    Thanks for this video Ian. I really love the SMLE.

  • @jeffreyfwagner
    @jeffreyfwagner Před 7 lety +2

    Is the finish on this Indian rifle bluing or is it black paint like the 2A1? I still have an early Enfield with the charging guide on the bolt. Is that worth anything?

  • @sanfordhoffman2392
    @sanfordhoffman2392 Před 7 lety

    I had to google the word Elucidate. I just increased my vocabulary by 1 word. Good video. Thanks.

  • @Bhargav141
    @Bhargav141 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks Sir. We in India also don't know the things you described here. It's kinda culture in India that if you allow people to know stuff, they'll kinda use it for themselves and for insurrection.. Govt is sceptical of this.. This is what it is in India..

  • @patriotenfield3276
    @patriotenfield3276 Před 5 lety +28

    Hey My special requests for displaying an INSAS Rifle please do it

    • @MultiHITMAN69
      @MultiHITMAN69 Před 4 lety +4

      Its a pretty shitty rifle.

    • @spandandash6043
      @spandandash6043 Před 4 lety +1

      @@MultiHITMAN69 no that was a misinformation. Insas has much variants.

    • @MultiHITMAN69
      @MultiHITMAN69 Před 4 lety +1

      @anshuman jha INSAS 1c is only as good as the IMI Galil from the 1960s. We aren't ready to accept the fact that we need to invest more and collaborate with companies like FN, H&K, Sig etc and come up with good designs for battle rifles suitable for our terrain. We are not equipped to produce rifles for the military or the civilian market as we proceed sub-standard over priced crap.

    • @spandandash6043
      @spandandash6043 Před 4 lety +1

      @@MultiHITMAN69 brother are you in military.. or ever fire insas.... i know it is not a state of the art small arm,but unequivocally not a bad one... i fired it.. it is really a good rifle... and our soldiers are much familiar with it..

    • @MultiHITMAN69
      @MultiHITMAN69 Před 4 lety +1

      @@spandandash6043 Do you mean that you have also fired INSAS? Or the only rifle that you have fired is INSAS? I have not fired any rifle till now. Its a hobby of mine and see the review of any firearm that is released. it has been a hobby since my childhood. I have a few of my friends in the Army who have fired and cary the rifle. All that I want to say is India can do a better job manufacturing indigenous firearms, provided no politics is involved.

  • @gogou9489
    @gogou9489 Před 4 lety +2

    2020 may 7, and Still a service rifle carried by the Indian Home guards , guarding government banks, police officers residence etc , the only original Lee Enfield 303 service rifle still in service , I suppose

  • @berkkarsi
    @berkkarsi Před 7 lety +119

    You can feel the Indian-ness from the screen. You can smell it, you can feel it.

    • @Punisher9419
      @Punisher9419 Před 7 lety +46

      Smells of curry?

    • @vguyver2
      @vguyver2 Před 7 lety +15

      Likely. One should consider their vast arsenal of modern crowd control spices.Oh and no, I'm only partially joking, they Do exist. =)

    • @Anonsy_GB
      @Anonsy_GB Před 7 lety +19

      Smells of poo

    • @nescumzwei
      @nescumzwei Před 7 lety +18

      He who controls the spice, controls the universe... I mean, Empire!

    • @ProjectZenOfficial
      @ProjectZenOfficial Před 7 lety +14

      Berk Karşı
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  • @BennettIsAmazing
    @BennettIsAmazing Před 6 lety

    The 'India Pattern' designation has some serious heritage - going back to the Brown Bess musket in favour at the time of Waterloo.

  • @StPaul76
    @StPaul76 Před 7 lety +7

    The 1907-pattern British 16" bayonet was practically a short sword attached to the rifle.. Like carrying a lance that also works as a rifle.. :D

    • @sandyjack1901
      @sandyjack1901 Před 9 měsíci

      The longer bayonet would presumably keep the bad guy an extra 4” away from you. Not a bad idea and you would hope that he had a shorter bayonet to increase your advantage.

  • @mushroomsurprise2522
    @mushroomsurprise2522 Před 7 lety

    the only thing I don't like about this channel is the guns never get fired. besides that I love the content and seeing all these cool and historic weapons

    • @alexmoore1506
      @alexmoore1506 Před 7 lety

      Mushroom Surprise because a lot of them are auction/museum pieces. If he doesn't get permission to fire them, then he can't

    • @mushroomsurprise2522
      @mushroomsurprise2522 Před 7 lety

      Alex Moore that's what I assumed. thanks for the clarification

  • @2paraairborne503
    @2paraairborne503 Před 7 lety +14

    British or India it is cool

  • @PassiveDestroyer
    @PassiveDestroyer Před 7 lety +1

    That's why I love British markings! They're so unique!

  • @MVolkJ
    @MVolkJ Před 5 lety

    A slight error in there - the 1926 LoC entry that created the Rifle No. 1 designation specifically excluded Marks I, II ConD, and IV ConD. As such, there is no Rifle, No. 1 Mk. I.

  • @JohnyG29
    @JohnyG29 Před 7 lety +7

    Ian acts like the British Indian Army was somehow independent of Britain and the overall Imperial system, whereas it was mainly run by British officers who would make the decisions regarding logistics etc.

    • @KH-vq6fs
      @KH-vq6fs Před 7 lety +3

      JohnyG29 after 1919 Indians were inducted into the officer class

  • @bushwackcreek
    @bushwackcreek Před 2 měsíci

    There's a problem... George V or G.R.I. in India, didn't ascend the throne until 1910. The Receiver should be marked E.R.I. if it dates to before 1910.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen Před 7 lety +2

    Note the "I" is found only on the Indian rifgles....the "I" stood for "Imperator"...Emperor...British rifles bear thew initial G R Georgius Rex - George the King.

  • @SyndicateBrink
    @SyndicateBrink Před 7 lety +6

    Ian, do you think you'd ever be able to do a full info-breakdown and disassembly of an INSAS Rifle? That rifle has always fascinated me and I would love to see an in depth breakdown of it

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade Před 7 lety

      Now where will he get an INSAS rifle from?
      Once the Indian Army replaces these INSAS with the new OFB 7.62X51, the INSAS will go to the state police to replace the SLR (Stupid Long Rifle) still in service with some police....

    • @uttamjeetsingh7451
      @uttamjeetsingh7451 Před 5 lety +1

      @@death_parade That slr is way better than the insas garbage

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade Před 5 lety

      @@uttamjeetsingh7451 What is stupid is having a 7.62X51 calibre rifle as a standard issue police weapon. Imagine the collateral damage with that. 5.56 will be much much better. Also, the crap version of INSAS 1B has already been phased out of service. The current INSAS 1B1 and Mk1C are loads better with all major issues corrected.

    • @uttamjeetsingh7451
      @uttamjeetsingh7451 Před 5 lety

      @@death_parade It's a bolt action rifle so the rate of fire would limit the collateral damage. Now the insas would be fully automatic with larger magazine capacity, that's the real collateral damage. Even with newer versions the insas is shit, that's why govt is purchasing new assault rifle for army.

    • @death_parade
      @death_parade Před 5 lety +2

      @@uttamjeetsingh7451 What? SLR is a bolt-action rifle? Wow. Just wow.
      When you do not even have the basic knowledge required to reply to my comment, why waste my time and yours? Please don't speak about topics which you have no knowledge about. Reading reports of INSAS in the oh-so-honest media is one thing and firing it downrange is something entirely different. I have fired INSAS and a couple of other assault rifles down range. I know what I am talking about. When you say that SLR is "bolt action", it becomes painfully obvious that you derive your knowledge from our media. The same media that can not differentiate between a F-16 Fighting Falcon and a C-17 Globemaster. Need I say anymore?

  • @aravindc102
    @aravindc102 Před 3 lety +3

    Still waiting for INSAS in this channel

    • @surajbiradar9827
      @surajbiradar9827 Před 8 měsíci

      No... That Would be a big embarrassment lol. I hope the world never learns about the INSAS.

  • @RahlF
    @RahlF Před 7 lety +1

    I want to see a "best of" blooper reel for the videos you've done

  • @bushwackcreek
    @bushwackcreek Před 2 měsíci

    Just today, I acquired a No.1, Mk3 Ishapore musket dated 1918. It's not the 3* because it has the magazine cutoff slot but the markings are crisp and clear. It's definitely a G.R.I. from 1918 and appears to have seen heavy use as a constabulary musket with a lot of butt stock stamps. I'm thinking the Mk1 you've displayed was faked for some reason... especially because it the royal cypher doesn't read "E.R.I." for Edward VII, who was monarch at the time... a stupid mistake, unless the G was an overstamp of the original E. Still the wrist markings are strangely faint for a rifle in such otherwise good shape.

  • @briangourley9572
    @briangourley9572 Před rokem

    I had an ishapore SMLE n
    Number 1 mk III

  • @GECKOZFTW
    @GECKOZFTW Před 7 lety

    I really like the fact that this SMLE has a darker wood colour.

  • @cathanmccann1769
    @cathanmccann1769 Před 2 lety +1

    Later ones are chambered in 7.62mm NATO but is this one chambered in .303 or 7.62mm ?

  • @PArasumaj
    @PArasumaj Před 2 lety

    The rifle factory is still operational in Ishapore or Ichapore as its now called .

  • @Southwark-Wexham
    @Southwark-Wexham Před rokem

    Mauser M98 (Long infantry version) and K98 (Short carbine version) are still better and more reliable as well as more precise.
    Mauser cartridge is still in use today and therefore easier to get.

  • @divyamansinghsen2912
    @divyamansinghsen2912 Před 6 lety

    Well i have heard that they (Ordinance/arms factory ishapore)still produce them but not sure but i am sure thats they are still in service and are used mostly by police , and some other paramilitary forces like BSF and CRPF .

  • @jessesands4099
    @jessesands4099 Před 4 lety +1

    Looks like a great Rifle!😀👳🔫🇮🇳

  • @gregeoryl
    @gregeoryl Před 2 lety

    I have that rifles twin. It has been converted to a copy jungle carbine but has all the old original early Ishapor mark 1 markings. No value, but a cool truck gun.

  • @biggerbehindthetrigger2814

    I have had 2 of them. One was the original length barrel that I no longer have and the one my dad bought and it has a much shorter barrel. My rifle had a production date of 1959 where as the shorter one has a 1961 date I believe. The only thing I'd after I put 5 or do rounds through it the front pieces of the stock fall off. The main stock has a what appears to be a thick dowel rod in it that helps hold the shorter front lower stock in place along with the barrel band. I have been told that it may have been a experimental rifle but everyone has a opinion and I really haven't looked too hard into it. I just bought a lower main stock on eBay for $8.00 that someone had hacked at it and made a sporter stock. I think it looks horrible but it works and I don't want to take the chance of it coming apart and damaging the original stock parts. I would love to hear s real experts opinion ony rifle. It was my dad's and he paid $117 for it in the late 1990's from our gunsmith. He was always looking for deals on odd or antique firearms for us. I am a turn of the century 1900's small pocket pistol junkie. He had found me several of them that I haven't seen in most of the collector books I have and I have a lot of them. At one point I had about 25 or so of them. Back to the point. If anyone has some credible information on it I would love to hear your opinion. It is one of the most accurate iron sights 7.62x51 rifles that my dad had ever owned and the government taught him how to shoot in 1964 with his M-40. I love the rifle and won't sell it for anything even a straight up trade for a 50 cal rifle.

  • @themagicbeanguy
    @themagicbeanguy Před rokem

    The world war 2 in real time channel recently covered the Japanese invasion of India. I wonder if there was a large rush at this place to get rifles out as fast as possible. Like they did in the USSR and other countries.

  • @535tony
    @535tony Před 5 lety

    I own a 1952 made RFI no 1 mkIII*. Fine rifle.

  • @sohomchatterjee
    @sohomchatterjee Před 5 lety +1

    Can you make a video of the Insas rifle next please????

  • @moowno
    @moowno Před 6 lety

    I have an Enfield it has the crown looking marking by the bolt but on the stock its has S^A any idea?

  • @spef7396
    @spef7396 Před 7 lety

    Another great video, love it!

  • @jasward3826
    @jasward3826 Před 7 lety

    I love these old rifles

  • @themedhunter
    @themedhunter Před rokem

    I really appreciate all your detail and insight. Thank you for all you do.

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 Před 7 lety

    If i remember right, Ishapore didn't go to the #4 pattern until the 2A in the 60's, right? Because i think those are the only Ishapores i have seen with receiver mounted peep sights. Kudos to them for using better steels in the 2A's also- i heard that years ago. Didn't Lithgow make them in 7.62 also? Great video as always. Thank you

  • @randyadams03
    @randyadams03 Před 3 lety

    Ian , I have 1967 RFI 2A1 other than Numeric. Where can I get both barrel springs and washer and correct screws. Thanks

  • @OnlyHereForCake
    @OnlyHereForCake Před 7 lety

    I'm curious how the prices on these typically compare to British SMLEs. Would they usually be cheaper ala Chinese copies of Soviet weapons or are they somewhat on par?

  • @NickRatnieks
    @NickRatnieks Před 6 lety

    If the rifle was made in 1908 or 1909, the monarch was King Edward VII. Perhaps, the extant initials were added when the rifle was revamped. The crown and GRI stands for Georgius Rex Imperator- King George V - Emperor of India. I find it odd if the rifle was made in Edward's reign why his cipher is not present- suggesting, that this part of the rifle was replaced.

  • @presbyterosBassI
    @presbyterosBassI Před 7 lety

    I'm guessing that the crown "GRI" came from one of the changes, since George V became king with the death of Edward VII, May 6, 1910. Either that, or the manufacture date is slightly off.

  • @NickRatnieks
    @NickRatnieks Před 4 lety

    G R I- King George as you say. However, the I is from the Latin- Imperatur - emperor no less. He visited India in 1911 for the Delhi Durbar with Queen Mary. I don't know if he had time to visit the rifle factory! Probably he was too busy meeting all the various maharajahs and other dignitaries. I suppose if he wanted to visit a rifle factory, Enfield was more convenient! Anyway, he was a navy man!

  • @harshharsh4710
    @harshharsh4710 Před 2 lety

    I actually fired this rifle it was very comfortable for me we always have training with this rifle

  • @Burningnewt
    @Burningnewt Před 7 lety +1

    Don't these use the same bayonet as the Sterling SMG? I know the number 5 jungle carbines use the same bayonet

  • @AnEnglishBean
    @AnEnglishBean Před 7 lety +1

    Would it be possible to get your hands on a Charlton Automatic Rifle?
    Thanks.

  • @jjjferreira259
    @jjjferreira259 Před 3 lety

    Am I missing something? I really do not see any difference between this rifle and my 1941 BSA number 1 mark lll*. The only differences I see is the brass rivet right above the trigger is recessed into the wood on both sides. And the firing pin grip is the old style rounded grip. I cannot see whether the rear sight is windage adjustable or not. Could Ishapore have been so far advanced with their design that the same basic rifle was built by BSA 32 -33 years later?

    • @kakalimukherjee3297
      @kakalimukherjee3297 Před 3 lety

      It's the oldest ordnance factory in India...so I think there might have been some pretty smart British guys working there.

  • @JoePani1
    @JoePani1 Před 7 lety +1

    Elucidate, Ahhhh Ian the word personifies you.

  • @Bowhead31
    @Bowhead31 Před 7 lety

    I noticed this rifle has the "Ishy" screw on the forestock but you failed to mention it and the reason it is there.

  • @oscarharriet7030
    @oscarharriet7030 Před 10 měsíci

    Any chance of a review of the Ishapore 7.62 SMLE?

  • @norinco8724
    @norinco8724 Před 7 lety +7

    But does it take Glock mags?