Narrated D&D Story: My Best Friend Is 'That Guy'
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Have you ever played with 'That Guy,' ever? 🤫
I have it really sucks the life out of the game and the whole party suffers
I have not, but that is because I sadly never played D&D.
Yep
Never had it get so out of hand, but then again I have never tolerated that kind of behavior, even by a friend, as a player or a DM.
Though, the players should have some input into the direction and story of the game since it is their story. Just not that much by just one player.
I was unfrotunately that guy for a lil bit... I didnt really mean too, but it was my first time playing and I really wanted to be a "good at it all!" type character. Luckily I got confronted about it early before it got too bad
There is a very simple solution for "That guy", it's a mystical technique called NOokay. It works like this:
"I wanna be the pilot and own the ship" You're not the main character, NO.
"Then I won't play"
Okay.
See....it's like magic.
Yeah I probably would have bucked at the idea initially but if I had been confronted with my actions at the time as being toxic I would have about faced so face it would cause a localized weather disturbance(I'm a big guy 400 lbs.+ Big so yeah a small planetoid).
Well there was a compromise for that situation. The West End Games era of Star Wars tabletop games mentioned that there were Alliance Observers who would effectively serve as a handler for Rebel Privateers. Most of them were retired field agents from Alliance Intelligence.
Simple spell but quite powerful!
Harder to do when it's your best friend. It's easy when it's a random guy, but when it's a friend with whom you spent years of your life with, you're more inclined to be soft on him/her.
And then this guy - being that he's your roommate - makes your home life a living hell but you live in a time of economic poverty making moving near impossible for like 60% of people and you have to live with it - with a "That Guy" - taking his anger out on you - every day. It's very rarely EVER that easy or simple. When it comes to these stories we get the snapshot - not the full movie.
This actually sounds like a DM problem to me. Sometimes you just need to say no. Otherwise you ruin the experience for everyone because of one asshole.
Slightly. But mostly the player's fault.
@@mrflip-flop3198 but mostly the DM for not saying no
@@mrflip-flop3198 the player is terrible. But it's DM's task to keep him in check or say goodbye.
Yep. Totally agree
@@evilbeardedman To be fair, the entire group was letting the "That Guy" walk all over them. The only time I had a "that guy" situation in my dnd groups, it ended being me (who was just one of the players) who defused the situation. It doesn't have to be the DM's sole responsibility. Anyone can grow a spine and say, "Stop acting like a asshole if you want to play with us."
He is that guy but you can't be that much of a walking board dm. He should have never allowed him to dictate the entire game.
I agree. That said, him being a roommate does complicate things. Most people are seemingly incapable of separating different facets of their life.
Although he is quite a bad player given how he acted, this whole thing could have been avoided if DM said "No, I decide stuff like it or not"
I also used to always blame the Dm, until I tried it out for a bit, and now I see the error of my ways
The DM clearly stated his roomate would be as annoying as possible to give the players a hard time. Basically cow-toe to him or else he ruins the game.
@@Spiceodog as a DM I can safely say this was the DM's fault. They lost control of their game.
It's his roommate and best friend though so it's not as easy as just saying that
@@Spiceodog Its not always the DMs fault but the DM has the ability to prevent it. Its typically not a major factor but here there's 100 pre-game red flags that he just looked over. Spineless DMing is what enables that kind of thing, this isn't some surprise thing that happened mid game.
If I was one of those players, I'd leave the campaign on the first session. Toxicity like that doesn't just go away easily.
Your profile pic looked like the was a bug on my screen so I tried to blow it off. That didn't work then tryed to flick it off. Then I laughed when I realized it was a pro pic.
No you wouldn't, they never realize that they ARE that person. Its nice of you to say, but thats just how "that guy" is.
@@NeoIsrafil I believe Mr Flip-Flop meant if he was in a game with a "That Guy", he would have left first session. Everyone knows that "That Guy's" aren't self-aware of how much of a jerk they are. They almost never realize how what they are doing is a terrible thing. This video is just an exception to the rule.
@@Bippwatt i TRIED to run a game with a THAT guy player a long time ago. on the second session, he was the only guy who showed up. so i cancelled the session and he almost burst into tears. i called the other players and they left because of him. we met for a pint without "the guy" and i kept the campaign going with the guys; i just told 'the guy' that the campaign was cancelled. for a few years after that i would bump into the guy and he would ask if he could join a game, but i would tell him that all the 'player slots' were full. it may have been cruel, but sometimes for the greater good, you have to move on.
@@alzathoth Wise choice.
He never learned about the Legendary Monkey D. Luffy that you need crew to run the ship.
Sounds like Steven needed to see a shrink. If what you said at the end was true, that this behavior was 180° from his core personality, and he seemed to be able to self reflect and actually see what he was doing wrong and admit it, but he still couldn't stop himself when in the moment, then he almost certainly had something going on and needed to address it
No shrink needed, could be that just the way he is, I knew this guy back then who was pretty alright, but as soon as he got into any games or sports he got super competitive to the point nobody really wanted to involve him
I knew this one kid who practically grew up playing Call of Duty online back when things were pretty competitive and toxic. The guy was a pain in the ass to play any game with because the game in question always has to be challenging to the point where it's rage-inducing and fast paced to the point where new players like me don't know which way is up. Very frustrating for a person like me who likes to unwind and relax a bit while playing a game.
@@dream6562 I think you've got the right of it, like people with Road Rage. I had friend in college who was a totally kind, friendly, and courteous person, but the minute she got behind the wheel of a car she would go full junk yard dog: screaming at other cars, cursing at pedestrians, and laying on the horn in between; then when she steps out of the car she's totally back to normal like nothing had happened.
"I wanna be the pilot and own the ship."
eh, sure. I can make that work.
"If the other players aren't rebels, I won't let them on my ship."
Okay, you just got your, "ship owning privileges" revoked!
He did understand this is a game and he isn't the only player?!
Right
"If the other players aren't rebels, I won't let them on my ship!"
Okay, then you're not playing the game. DnD isn't all about you, so either you suck it up, make a new character, or get out
Steven: If my character was hurt or injured, I'd just play through it.
(A half dozen blasters all point at his character)
All things dnd : " we were doing Mutants and masterminds scp campaign"
Dr Cimerian: WRONG
I guess they were wrong about DnD.
But but dr bright was looking forward to the spc campaign
I was part of the roleplay society at uni, and we had a couple of those. The worst by far was a Spanish girl, she would insist on maxing out any "is pretty" or "has money" mechanics the game had. forcing her character into everything that was going on, insist that she would do it better, then throw a strop when the specialist out performed her. No show or walk out of sessions when her character faced any kind of consequences for her bad behaviour, or failures. And her worst one, any time she was called out or corrected for inappropriate behaviour, immediately shut you down with "but in Spain..." not as an apology for being in the wrong, but as justification why she is so obviously right.
Stopped at 4:50. Everything that happens after that is the DMs fault, the red flags were there and he ignored them because he didn't say no and just boot the guy.
Honestly, i was a little shocked that the DM let a single player own their ship right off the bat. In any kind of outer space campaign, that's a HUGE amount of control to let any player have over everyone else at the table. Every player should have owned a partial stake in the ship or it should have belonged to an NPC.
This is super interesting just because it goes to show you that just because someone is a good friend and good person, doesnt mean theyll be a good RPG players and thats ok.
Under previous I was it had been a while and some mental issues at the time compounded and yeah no excuse just facts that I had to face.
Maaaaaaan I have a best friend I've known since the summer before we started 4th grade and I would've been like "okay bye" right after the "everyone needs to be my faction or else I'm not playing" nonsense.
4:58 that's as far as I got. I understand that having a roommate and a friend who acts this way can be tricky. This kind of entitlement and self centered behavior only hurts you in the long run. I'm 30 now and growing up I had people in my life like this. My advice, for what's its worth, talk to these people and let them know their behavior isn't okay. If nothing changes then, frankly, cut out the cancer.
I'm sorry but I've ran D and D, deadlands reloaded and starfinder before and I have to say it.......That DM is a complete and utter coward. He let an obnoxious player (friend or not) not only dictate the game but ruin every other players enjoyment. Would have kicked him much earlier.
Hey yes while I agree abit on the issue of backbone he was in a very precarious situation. He was afraid of getting kicked out with no place to go(would have never done that over something like a game). I have been helping him with the Negative Ned in his head. Not so much about confidence but when it comes to potentially upsetting people. He can't stand people being upset and kinda causes him to shutdown around it. So yeah that's kinda why it hapoened the way it did.😒😔
@@SuperbeastOR But THAt guy upset everyone else. The op said he was a nice guy so he wouldn't have gotten kicked out for saying no...op didn't even say that he was worried about that. he seemed to know what this guy was like and just catered to the red flags the flew when he first asked him to play the game. Dm could have just said no, at least he apologized for how he acted.
This was frustrating to listen to.
@@LA-mz1dd I am Steve in this story I was "That Guy" as far as frustrating imagine listening to it and being faced with your past actions. As painful and cringe inducing it is to listen to it's important reminder never to fall back into those actions again.
The title of this should be: 'How I failed as a DM by not taking control of my own story'
Op has an unbelievable amount of patience, as a dm I’d tell him to shut up or piss off after 2 or 3 incidents
I can see why you allowed the player his way. And the patience and concessions exhibited by the others is exemplary. The fact he apologized sincerely and admitted to being the problem in the game is rare. If hogging the spotlight in a game of imagination is the worst he's ever done then you definitely have a good friend.
This is mostly on the GM for not having a backbone, because no matter how bad a Glory Hog can be, they only get away with anything because the GM allows it.
The guy who needed a replacement character also lacked backbone.
Woohoo! Finally a Star Wars RPG episode! My friends and I played a campaign that lasted about 3 years. We became Heroes of Mandalore. Our group had gotten so successful that we decided to start a new campaign with new characters. It had given us a chance to change things up. I went from my sniper character that hardly talked to a ship pilot that's goofy. It's a nice change! Thankfully out group has never had a "That Guy". We did have a guy at the very beginning that was kind of like that, but he kept cancelling on us, so we stopped inviting him.
I was actually pretty annoyed that the DM had the Stormtroopers used as enemies in session 1 and to a lesser extent the AT-AT. Those should be top level enemies because the AT-ATs are supposed nigh-unstoppable juggernaughts and the Stormtroopers are special forces.
@@emberfist8347 If they were using the Fantasy Flight Star Wars system (which was stated by the OP) then the generic Stormtrooper is definitely not special forces. Heck, they aren't really in canon, either; Stormtroopers are pretty clearly portrayed as generic grunts, who can't even shoot a target that's right in front of them! In the Fantasy Flight system, there are higher-grade Stormtroopers and specialist Stormtroopers, but the really dangerous ones are the Dark Troopers that're taken straight out of Dark Forces--the hyper-advanced combat droids that just happen to have armor plating that makes them look like 7-foot-tall Stormtroopers on steroids. It also sounds like they were basically planning to Battle of Hoth the AT-ATs, which pretty much chumps them, and if they had a ship with blaster turrets, then they probably could've dealt with them even without the speeders.
@@Mokiefraggle No the generic grunts were always the Imperial Army Troopers. Stormtroopers have always been special forces.
"I can do this, so I should do this and you should do something else."
Literally my shift leader at my old job.
The moment a player tells me "I want this or i won't play" I decide it's not worth them playing. We play dnd to tell stories together, if you think your story is more important than everyone else at the table, you aren't worth the time to roll up stats with.
It sounds like the DM and problem player were actually a couple in a toxic relationship, you know the kind... "if you wanna have that game, this is how it's gonna be" kinda toxicity. Run away!!!
Imagine how hard it is to be rude all while you know what you're doing is wrong so you work on it. Thats real dedication, props to Steve.
I would have just handed him a character sheets that’s essentially Jar-Jar to watch his head explode with the plan of making him the BBEG for the campaign if he didn’t sperg out and played along.
Actually I probably would have enjoyed that idea. Thinking about it probably would have made for a funner game for all. But neither here nor there I still needed to be talked to about it. I just couldn't see the forest for the trees during this whole period of time in my life.
Honestly, if I'm DMing and have a "that guy" player, 3 strikes and your out of the campaign
3 strikes? wow that is very generous.
My group has had a few issues with "that guy" and 1 issue has ruined the campaign. Thats why im running a game with only 2PC that i trust
OP is patient. I had a Steven, played a few campaigns with them though we were never best friends. Finally cut it off a month ago and I can't be happier.
I am going to live up to this because I believe we need to own up to our mistakes. I haven't read down dreading the comments but I deserve the negativity for those past actions. First off this was a long time ago and since have found alot of stories both on reddit and this channel aswelk as others like it. All about that guy when I started to read and listen to said stories. I won't lie I thought "OMG" I am that guy I started listening and reading even more. I wanted to fix these character flaws. I instantly grew an aversion to these behaviors in myself. Since then I have been working hard on my approach to gaming and have come to truly regret those actions. I tell everyone now that I was once that guy not out of pride but as a way to help myself. You see I also tell them to on the spot call out whenever I start said actions. Including my dear friend who still continues to stick by me through thick and thin a truer Watson to my Sherlock. Someone I can count not only as friend but brother. I have apologized to him since about said actions as well. And to anyone who was in groups with me before I saw anx recognized it for what it was I am deeply and eternally sorry for having ruined your stories. There are no excuses for that kind of behavior but I now understand where it was coming from. I won't go into it here but I now take strides to cut off at the pass as it were...to prevent such occurrences. Now I will take my likings and read the comments below.😔
You're the guy in the story?
Unfortunately yes.
At least you are owning up to your mistakes. I always find the best characters are the characters that dont excel in anything but a few. It makes their development more fufilling
What made you act in that way in the first place?
And why did you feel the need to dictate the game and everyone else's actions?
Eh, I've heard about much worse players in horror stories on this channel than you. We all have flaws, you recognised your own and tried to fix them. That automatically puts you leagues above other "that guys" out there.
tbh honest when the arm got amputated I would make a new character but before showing it like 'the army is willing to send your replacement OR you could have your arm amputated and given a cybernetic one' this way it was more the players to continue as the character or not and have a cool cybernetic arm
I get the feeling that Steve is a "Forever DM".
A story quite similar happened to me.
I've been DMing for a couple of years now and the first time I've actually been as a player in DnD was a few weeks ago. I made my character, a chaotic evil tiefling sorcerer (just to put at ease your minds she wasn't a murderhobo, just an evil character that isn't quite right on the mind field) that was quite the illusionist. Well, to the point:
If enemies ambushed us it didn't matter, just cast sleep and kill them while they are down.
If there was an enemy lair i would just transform myself in one of them and act my way to the bottom of the lair.
If we needed to intimidate someone I'll just draw and illusory eldritch abomination like sword to do it.
In the end I ended up doing everything and I only realised once the session was over. They forgave me because it was my first game as a player, but man do I feel bad about it to this day.
DM just needs to say NO sometimes, otherwise you're just going to be enabling that guy
The SCP variant of CTHULHU is definitely my favorite. Just a depressed, incredibly annoyed squid deity who can't help it when people start gutting each other for him.
CTHULHU : *GTF O U T O F M Y R O O M I M P L A Y I N G M I N E C R A F T*
It makes me wonder how many voluntary SCPs there are. I mean, you obviously have the ones that reason "this is the best life I'm going to have" once the scientists spell it out for them, but I figure there have to be at least a few "Ok, I'm just checking in, I know you guys exist because I'm omniscient, but not actually omnipotent, but there's people who worship me like I am, and what's worse, because I am omniscient, I know EXACTLY how fucked up the world is and it has me very depressed....
So, like... Can you guys do something about it?"
I'm just going to say the peak of my Call of Cthulhu SCP game was one of my player dead seriously asked me if Garfield was relevant in the year 2015, one of the greatest moments as a Keeper it's was to funny
Old Gus There is the eye bots, the old castway, the tickle monster, Abel, probably a few more
@@PokeBattlerJaze the eye bots and tickle monster aren't really capable of making that decision.
343 is voluntary in the most absolute of senses.
See a lot of comments saying the DM is weak, but it he actually says exactly why he couldn't just kick this guy out of the game saying he would end up ruining the game for others anyway.
They were roommates, "Steven" lived with the DM so he couldn't exactly kick Steven out of the apartment. This was mentioned at the start of the story. I'm sure there was also a reason it had to be the DM's place and not somebody else's place that wasn't mentioned. So yeah, not sure how I'd handle that no-win situation.
I feel sorry for the DM being out in such a difficult situation. Glad the friend was self-reflective enough to bow out of the game and apologize.
In the part where the ship’s pilot forbade anyone from doing anything on “his” ship, I (in character) would have said, “Screw it! It’s your ship, but if your ship goes down, it’s my life! I’m fixing the ship and you can either argue with me and crash or continue to pilot!”
ty for the video
Wow, 😲 I have never heard a "that guy" story where "that guy" not only realizes that he is the problem, but he also apologizes to everyone as well. There is still hope for him yet.
Man this is the first star wars tabletop game videos i’ve seen around here! I was hoping I’d find a text generator that could do the dart away text crawl when this happened. Pffft bestest, ya gotta let other people do stuff steve! YIRBEL LIVES!
This is when the DM has to put their foot down and give the player a talking to. If it ends there, it ends there. If the player payer continues to try and make a group campaign a solo one then the player is out.
Steve: If I had lost an arm, I would want to play through it
Me, Smiling with murderous intent: Okay! A lone survivor of the failed attack manages to get close enough to sneak in a small explosive. Your character is unfortunately too close to the explosion and takes a critical injury, losing the use of your arm, and therefore you now have a penalty to piloting, the *one thing your character is good for.* The "biggest and bestest pilot in the galaxy" can't live up to his reputation like this... What do you do?
"I'm going to be in the rebellion, or I'm not gonna play."
"Then you're not going to play. Bye!"
*WRITTEN* *AND* *DIRECTED* *BY* *GEORGE* *LUCAS*
Man, Mark's magnanimity towards Steve's insistence that he stick with his injured gunner is admirable. He clearly saw the writing on the wall early.
The note at the end about how Steven is as a person is a nice touch of class
Yeah he didn't need to, but I appreciate the sentiment.
It’s nice to hear how Steven grew at the end, ya he can’t undo what he did before, but he grew as a person at least, and it was in a setting that was safe and didn’t effect major aspects of his life.
Wow. Branching out of only D&D stories. I'd love to hear some Shadowrun stories. That setting makes for wild twists.
I've played with "That Guy" before, I've found that the best thing to do is let them fail, then pick them back up afterwards. Lesson learned, moving on, kind of deal. People who try to do everything usually can't do anything, and it shows sooner or later.
At least he came to his senses.
The real traitor was Steven he absolutely sabotaged that group
That ending was so wholesome, thanks! I needed that : )
DM, I can understand your position. It sounds like your friend is a really toxic combination of Very excited to play and very insecure (the player insisting that they be able to do everything mainly because they need to be needed by the party to feel validated). I've discovered through my own experience that directly telling players "no" does not always lead to the experience you want. Choice, even if it is but an illusion, is far more effective. When Steven insisted that everyone needed to be a rebel, you could go in secret to the other players and tell them that they needed to appear to be of the rebellion, but could be mercenaries or spies for the empire. Then you'd play with each player not knowing each other's true nature. Then, have the ship be ID'd when scuffling with the Empire. He's a famous pilot and that's his ship. Either have the empire pounce on it after the team goes to an away mission on a planet or have it be captured. Now the party has a choice -- liberate the old ship, or steal a new ship. If Steven insists on doing his own thing, just don't fudge any dice in his favor. If he insists that you're picking on him, use his "famous rebel pilot" reputation against him, and make sure that all dice rolls against his character are public so that he can see your honesty. Don't want to replace an injured character with a replacement or wait for healing? Don't tell him out of character that it is acceptable. Roleplay a superior officer coming down the hall way and dictating to the group that because the mission is too important to risk failure that either A) a different team is being sent instead, or B) the team is delayed for a few hours while the injured team mate is being outfitted with some sweet prosthetics.
For the interrogation, a failed save should result in the non-Steve character being knocked out and Steve being taken hostage. Now not only is the problem player at the center of everything, but he's also dependent on everyone else to come save him, thus giving them some action time too.
TL;DR -- For issues of this nature, I would suggest role-playing events and choices for the characters, rather than doing out-of-character discussions. Use notes to talk to the other players privately, if needed. Roleplay makes it way more difficult for players to argue with it.
"I wanna be in the rebellion or I won't play"
Okay, see ya bye.
That was real grown of him to wake up out of his hissy fit mid session and apologize
Umm.. listening to posts like this a thought keeps recurring: "could we have more posts about good storytelling and less about entitled youths being dysfunctional?". Just a point of view. Cheers.
...I think you'd find that if you check out the video selection that there's a good amount of both and I suspect that the majority are of the good type.
@@perfectdoll i actually came to this channel and subbed to him for stories about good storytelling and character moments.
He wasn't entitled by far. If you watched the video till the end, you would know this
Steve: NO ONE USES ANYTHING ON MY SHIP EXCEPT FOR ME!!!
(meanwhile on a star destroyer)
Imperial officer: that's got to be the greatest pilot I've ever seen
Captain: so it would seem
(show the ship moving unpredictably as it's guns and trajectory are flying all over the place)
Thanks for the laugh.
Replace greatest with funniest
Number 1 rule i learned as a DM dont run a game if everyone isn't into it especially the DM. Because then the campaign is going to fizzle.
Love your videos. I have been watching for a while and might eventually have an interesting story(hopefully sooner than later) like these.
People are missing the fact that this was the OP's best friend, someone who would "Help you out because they could." But this guy is a mess as a player and a DM, not everyone is mean't to play tabletop games.
thats very TRUE. i have some VERY close friends that i would do anything for. anything but DM.
That they're friends in real life doesn't make it okay to act like an asshole to all their other friends. Being able to say "no" to your friends is an incredibly important skill.
Sorry, but this isn´t so much fault of "That Guy" But the DM not standing his ground first hand. As muuch as I love playing, if a friend comes to me aiming to dictate how should I DM or he won´t play, I´ll juust trow it his way:
Then we don´tplay or you be the DM... Even though he as a DM would probably self insert his character as NPC and be a diferent nightmare story...
Back to the point, I see this being more a DM being guillable more than "that guy" being... well... That Guy
I have never had luck with a player named steve in 10 years of DMing
"either I'm part of the rebellion or I don't play."
"then you don't play"
simple, effective, easy. I've said this several times to demanding players.
That one guy who want to be in control of the ENTIRE campaign, some who you just can't stand and just leave
at lest the "that guy" apologized this time and realized what they did, even if it was late. Personal incite for the win!
Lol, poor Mark. One armed, paraplegic, and brain damaged. That moment would have made it all worth it to me. I would love to hear this story from Mark's perspective.
This both the dm and player issue. The dm should have put his foot down at the start when he tried to influence what the dm wanted to play. When the player tried to act as the dm, saying what can and can't be done. The strongest point to put your foot down was about the character creation process and retiring a old character because of the injuries.
It's good to hear a story from someone who realizes that it's easy to make black and white of stories about people you've never met. I'm glad it ended on a better note as well; OP could have broken off and Steven could've remained stubborn ignorant, or both. I think it shows a strong sense of character when someone recognizes what they did wrong and apologizes for it, especially in the manner described here.
I would’ve just built a steamroll HeavyGunner character and every time he opens his mouth just bch slap him. “ The captain must stay on the ship”
the first campaighn idea sounds epic, superheroes vs scp's
Op here. Doens’t it!!! I’m still sad i haven’t gotten to play it!
An apology without changed behavior is just manipulation, if I were in op's shoes I would have just not let that guy play as soon as he tried to dictate what kind of game I was running but if I did end up running the game I probably would have put my foot down when the one guy lost the use of his arm, I have zero tolerance for that kind of behavior in my games.
An apology without changed behavior is just manipulation. I like that, i wanna remember that
@starshipeleven I strongly disagree with this. It's called being passionate, and sometimes it brings out the worst in a lot of people. You can't just pigeonhole people like that, human's are a lot more complex than you think. If you watched the video til the end, you'll see that the OP was fervently speaking on behalf of his best friend to let everyone know how much of a good friend he is outside of ttrpg's. I mean, how can you even come to a conclusion like that? That single campaign brought out the worst in op's best friend and you're telling me that it was that situation that would dictate years of friendship between op and his best friend, and all this time, all of the good that his friend was doing was purely manipulation? At least be realistic, I'm doubting your doubts at this point. I can tell you that I've seen people act like that in real life especially when it comes to video games.
@starshipeleven First off, I'm going to say that you raised very interesting and very convincing points and if this had been any other situation I might have been convinced by your reasoning, but not in this case.
To be honest, we have too little to go on. We are all making assumptions in their relationship off of one situation compared to years of friendship. But much like you can make the assumption of relationship abuse, I can also make an assumption of a guy being too passionate for his own good, and here's why....
It seems you missed a moment in the video where the best friend voluntarily made the decision to stop playing. He wasn't booted off by th OP, no he made a conscious decisiom to stop playing the game. If there was a clear attempt at manipulation, then he would have continued playing regardless and kept doing the same mistake like you said, but that cearly did not happen here.
What most likely happened is that the best friend was too passionate for the game and after the session he had a post-session clarity and realized how much of being a 6-year old he was acting and opted to kick himself out. That really doesn't look like an abusive relationship to me.
And much like you're speaking from experience, so am I. I see this situation happen a couple of time especially on competetive video games like fighting games, moba's, fps etc. This is not actually uncommon in video games.
And what is with this narrative of relationship abuse? I never got that vibe from this video at all, and honestly I think this might be a case of you projecting.
If you have time, there's a channel called taking20. It's a dnd channel and they have a video of the types of bad players in dnd and how to deal with them. In one of the list, the host gives a label to a type of players he calls a "spotlight hog". The host describes this player as actually being the most passionate in the game because he is the most invested and wants to get included in every scenario. This, as you can tell, describes the op's best friend to a tee.
Honestly, I didn't see any relationship abuse, I just a saw a bad player and a dm who did not know how to curb that sort of behaviour on the table.
And remember, this is all in the perspective of the op. For all we know, his best friend, might not even have acted like a 6-year old, but the op saw him in tinted glasses because he was ruining the game for everyone.
@starshipeleven Oh no, I'm not doubting the actions, I'm doubting how op portrayed those actions. Op himself mentioned how great a person his friend is outside of the games but no adult would go out and say his character is "Da biggest and the da bestest pilot ever". It's either he's paraphrashing ork quotes from warhammer 40k or op is bitter about his friend railroading the game threw that shade of insult. But that's besides the point.
And sure, just ignore over the fact where op's best friend, voluntarily opted to kick himself out mid session. Yeah, just completely go over what I said about that.
All you're talks about him, being a narcissist, a (disagreeable description) spotlight hog etc. Is thrown out the window with that action right there. Do you want to just ignore it again?
Plus, they only had like 2 sessions where op's best friend was playing before he kicked himslef out, 3 if you count session 0. Well technically, 2 and a half since the best friend kicked himsled in the middle of session 2.
From what I see, session 1, op's best friend did all that and apologized to op. Session 2, he did all of that again and apologized for what he did, not only in session 2 but also by railroading the campaign in session 0. He also personally sent out text messages to all his friends to apologize for his behaviour.
Seems to me that he couldn't control his excitement and became a spotlight hog, and in he middle of session 2 where he asked to take a break, he realized he was being a dick and couldn't control himself and opted out mid session.
Where's the abusive relationship there? The narcissism can clearly be seen, but only in game. The last bit of dialogue between op and his best friend was pretty self-explanatory.
Look buddy, I'm not sure why you have it out for op's best friend, or why you're forcing this narrative of relationship abuse and labelling him as a narcissist outside of the game. Remember, this is but a single event over the course of years of friendship between them.
Hey, I'm done defending op's bestfriend. If you still have a problem after I gave you a different persepctive on the matter, then that's on you and that's your deal, cause then, nothing I would say would ever change your views. But that's just fine, we're merely speculating after all. I highly doubt that neither you nor I would ever know how deep or shallow their friendship runs. That's for them to tell.
Anyways, have a good day. Let's talk about something else next time. Cheers.
This guy redeemed himself in a polite and humble way, ultimate redemption!
I feel like he just had a bad week or something, but ultimately this was pretty heart warming.
I find this story to be awesome it shows that the person you play with may not be the person they are outside of the game system
I had a slightly similar interaction with my group, one of my players who is my best friend is a bit pushy with things that happen in our campaign. So one time, my group tried to argue about a certain house rule that i use for my campaigns, no one was being inconsiderate or anything, its more like trying to lawyer themselves out in a fun. I said no, but my friend became a tad whiny about it and wouldn't stop complaining about how its unfair and bullshit. I had stop the whole session just to have a talk with him to stop complaining which actually went well, though the sessions pacing was destroyed.
At demand #1 I would counter demand a good reason for it. At demand #2 I'd give a stark "No." If he wanted to get lippy then I'd show him the proverbial door.
I can understand the situation the guy was in with his roommate and friend. I've been there, and it damn near cost me my most dearest relationship.
amazing video as always. awesome story with a nice ending. thank you for always making great content 🤎🤎
I’m glad you liked my story and ending. Thank you. I wanted to write this because we see so many of that guy horrible stories and i just wanted to remind people that we are more Than just those few minutes.
Mark having a severe case of Bad Luck Brian for this entire video.
You can tell the party is just done
I find it weird and hard to believe that someone could be 'That Guy' so much yet only realise it afterwards. If you don't wanna be 'That Guy' then just shut up and let things roll.
Given that Steven had the hindsight and humility to recognize he went too far and needed to apologize, I'd have given him a chance. Not a very high bar, I know, but given how often That Guy is unapologetic, claims everyone else is the problem, and abuses the patience and goodwill of others until they're left with jaded misanthropy, I'd take a personal apology for their specific misdeeds towards me as genuine.
There is some blame to be shared with the GM, enabling him to be this controlling. But I can respect his patience. He didn't turn it into an explosive confrontation or damage friendships over the game, over one player acting up when they're normally a good person. It's a little too easy to just proclaim that it was all mistakes when it's not your own life experience.
This isn't Stevens fault, its the DMs fault for letting Steven to run the game instead of him.
Sounds like he needs a new ship and pilot 😂😂
I find stories like these very important. Most we hear are full horror stories or full good stories. Sometimes the situation is gray, and we just need to find ways to best manage the situation. But still, DMs have a job as keepers of Fun, and it could have been avoided earlier, maybe? I can't judge.
Tie fighter in background is best
SCP is a collection of internet stories about an orginization that contains monsters and artifacts.
SCP 999: Exists
This dude is the kind that needs to be taught how to lose.
Actually a very graceful loser. The problem was not with losing🙄🤔...I think I just figured it out. At the time I had no control in my life, no car, place to live of my own(living with family), and most of all my own body being a prison of sorts. Thankfully that's getting solved realitively soon. So I think that was the cause.
He may have been that guy but he was pretty good for a that guy tbh. Like he apologized and kept admitting he was wrong, that’s pretty impressive.
He was certainly "that guy", But at least he realized his mistake and apologized. It's a step in the right direction and sadly not one we usually hear about in "that guy" stories. I hope he matured a bit from the experience and learned to be more of a team player after this.
Atleast he's self aware, he's just head strong (I don't mean smart) and wants to lead, however bad he is at it
I'm sometimes worry I'm a problem player, then I hear these stories
Thats a nice twist in the end of the storry. I guess roleplay is not for everybody. I noticed that kind of behaviour out of people who used to play a lot of Computer games, where you are not part of a team and you´ll solve a problem all by your own.
I too have some rly dear friends, but i will never ever play at a table with them. The lesson here is lerned - you don´t have to share every hobby and as long "that guy" will learn after a mistake and take his consequences you should not let a game ruin a friendship.
If your friends make ultimatums to you, you should consider your friendships carefully.
Seems like it mostly worked out in the end. Good for Steven for calling himself on being such a jerk.
I never thought of doing it in Mutants and Masterminds but I do a predominantly Homebrew 5e campaign with SCPs
That SCP idea sounds awesome, but I think there is a better choice of ttrpg. I never played it myself, but I the Monster of the Week sounds appropriate for SCP.
"I'm the greatest and the best..."
"No, you're a lvl 1"
"But my character..."
"Level one"
U know there are worst people some don’t even realise that they are doing something wrong at least he realised and apologised
Well at least he realized he was a problem and apologized for it.
I gotten in to habit of telling are that guy to shut up when he won’t stop talking over other people or when he take more than 6 sec to say something in a round of combat. You have to be firm in your no and your shut downs. If there a good person they will back off and realize what there doing.
Now see, if someone in our group started acting this way, they'd have been ejected from the game at least by the end of the first session. And they'd be lucky if it wasn't literal.