How Often Does a Loss in the Final Precede a Cup Win? Which Teams Lose Most Often?
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- Hey all and here's a 32 team video of sorts looking at Cup winners and finalists from 1968 until 2024.
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It would be awesome if you made a video of players who won the Conn Smythe without winning the cup. Not many but would be interesting to hear
There's only 5, would be a short video lol
last guy to win mvp and lost the final was giguere with ANA in 2003.
Interesting of the 5, 4 are goalies.
@@jacobdill4499and Leach, the only skater, got swept in the Finals.
Roger Crozier in 1966( Detroit) Glenn Hall 1968( St Louis) Reggie Leach 1976( Philadelphia) Ron Hextall 1987( Philadelphia) Conn Smythe trophy 🏆 winners from the losing team
Shannon I’ve been watching you since 2016 I swear to god if you jinx the panthers now I’ll fucking find you and buy you a cheeseburger or somethin idk you seem like a cool dude
This comment veered into a totally wholesome conclusion that I wasn't expecting. Nicely played.
My reaction when reading this 😐😯😵🧐🤨😅
It is kinda ridiculous that in the 13 season period of 75-76 & 87-88 only three teams won the cup.
That’s why we have the cap now!
Sort of. The cap was not introduced for another 18 years.
Dynasties, Montreal New York Islanders and Edmonton were in that 13 season period
@@michaelleroy9281 and my Flyers fell victim to all 3. The Oilers twice.
That bit about Calgary fans not being over the 2004 finish cracked me up.
Totally true. We aren’t over it.
You shouldn't be. I'm a Cardinals fan and still not over the 1985 robbery. Getting beaten is one thing. Theft is another.
I watched the Flyers win their only cups in 74 and 75.
I was 10 in 74. I'm am now 60.
I still remember those 2 cups, but the memories are fading as I get older.
Get Michkov over here and let's get one more before I die.
Go Flyers.
Making the finals is more impressive during the salary cap era
Shannon. If Oilers win the cup, I wanna see you in a toga for the game 7 review.
0:45 St. Louis
1:33 Chicago
2:12 NY Rangers
2:39 Boston
3:21 Buffalo
3:42 Philadelphia
4:19 Minnesota
5:00 Dallas
5:23 Vancouver
5:44 Edmonton
7:02 New York Islanders
7:22 Calgary
7:45 Montreal
8:20 Los Angeles
8:46 Detroit
9:23 Florida
10:05 Washington
10:32 New Jersey
10:59 Carolina
11:27 Anaheim
12:20 Ottawa
12:32 Pittsburgh
12:54 Tampa Bay
13:16 San Jose
13:36 Nashville
13:46 Vegas
13:57 Colorado
If reverse sweep takes place, take full credit!
I love your videos concerning NHL/hockey history. I’m a relatively new hockey fan, although I did try to follow it as a kid in the 1950s. In the 60s when it first showed up on my TV, I was really put off by all the fighting and paid little attention to hockey until about 5 years ago. So, hearing about the good things that I missed is really good for me.
As a Buffalo Sabres fan from Cleveland, Ohio (with an honorary PhD in sports curses), I 1,000% agree with you about the Sabres being jinxed. Still, I am hoping Lindy Ruff 2.0 can take us all the way!
You're not even immune in football losing 4 straight Super Bowls not to mention the Music City Miracle.
In the AFL in Australia, there's a saying.
To win a premiership you have to loose one.
It almost rings true in all sports
its actually pretty rare in hockey for a stanley cup-losing team to bounce back and win it with the same core. i think the same is true in the NFL
in international football/soccer that is certainly true though
its only happened eight times ever
@philbegnone6646 Loose? Or, lose?
@@steve8803
You have to tighten up before loosening up, wot wot? 😛
The Hockey Guy, your hard work is paying off, keep it up
I was a huge Islander fan back in the 70s and 80s and still remember “Mr. May” Billy Smith. Come the playoffs he was a brick wall in net. The 4 in a row Stanley Cup wins were amazing.
Great video ! You did a lot of work getting this info out there…thank you 😊
Good one. I had theories before I read the board. Was surprised that Boston only lost twice in the final to Montreal. Growing up, it seemed like more. BOOM!!
"it's been 20 years so they've calmed down about it, right?" Made me laugh pretty hard. As a flames fan it drives me nuts how often it's brought up
Great Video, as usual, Shannon & Great Topic
Outstanding snapshot of the finals teams during that timeframe. Winners and losers, yes, should be respected. Well said.
He didnt realize that Edmonton won 8-1 now
So any team losing a Cup Final really does seem to take time for them to recover from, at least enough for them to run it back
Teams who lost the Cup Final,
then won it the following season:
• the 1983 / 84 Oilers
• the 2008 / 09 Penguins
• the 2023 / _(24)_ Panthers
Teams who lost consecutive Cup Finals:
• the 1968 / 69 / 70 Blues
• the 1977 / 78 Bruins
Both of these lists are weirdly shorter than I thought they’d be lol
Should be noted that this is 1967-68 onward because if Hockey Guy did every NHL season, his white board would be the size of a wall and the Leafs wouldn’t be with the Kraken, Jets(2.0), Utah Hockey Club(name TBD), Wild, & Blue Jackets among teams yet to make a Cup Final appearance
Thanks for the video Sir. Modern NHL history is just as fascinating as the pre Expansion History
Sometimes it seems like Shannon says "How can I make a video and talk about the 1981 North Stars?"
Sems like Cup winners lose in a future Final more than a Finalist gets back to win it.
Thank you for single-handedly extending the 2024 season.. Just a few hours ago Florida had all but buttoned it up. After your video, they wind up benching Bobrovsky?! I would say you can't write this stuff but we all know it's scripted. /s I'm dyin'. Keep up the great videos!
With how often this comes up, I thought there might be something to it, but... looking at the numbers, it honestly looks like the opposite is true. Like following a cup win, the teams are more likely to make another run for the finals the following year, and lose.
I’m looking at this white board and I can just see certain moments from the seasons listed
Pretty impressive Pittsburgh is 5-1 in the finals and Colorado is 3-0
We were last in November. Counted out against Dallas and Vancouver. Called weak, soft, lucky and here we are. Cup finals. Whatever happens this is an amazing season
This. If you'd told me in November we'd make the finals, I'd have died laughing. Probably the 3rd straight year we get knocked out by the eventual champions.
I kinda hope the Oilers win tonight so we can listen to the media complain about taking another free trip to Miami
🤣🤣🤣
you got your wish!
@@andrewscheelar9656 That wasn't a win... That was a _homicide!_
These is the worst announcing ever for a cup final. I have to watch with the sound off. They are never announcing, always talking about something unnecessary
Says there is no curse and then the Oilers win 8-1 😂
Mellanby scored a hat trick with the same stick he killed a rat with in the dressing room before the game, which; because of superstition, started the tradition of throwing rats on the ice and the term "Rat Trick" was coined.
He scored 2 goals plus killed the rat, which created the “rat trick” phrase
back in the 20th century, habs longest streak of not winning the cup was 7 years. that ended when bettman took over the NHL
But not because Bettman took over the NHL, to be fair.
Cmon Oilers, a SINGLE win would be extremely cool!
5:57 "In the event that this is a jinx on the Florida Panthers"
Shannon, you've almost jinxed the Panthers. Game 7 is Monday.
I love that jersey.
These are great chats to have but I think making the finals and winning presidents trophies just show that you have a great team that year. The problem is that there are probably 8 great teams that make the playoffs each year so statistically the odds of winning are still low.
Can you do a similar video on teams making the Conference Finals but making the SCF soon after?
Tough look for a Bruins fan. Just an insane run of dominant teams they ran into. Late 70's Habs, early 80's Islanders, mid-late 80's Oilers, and then the early 90's Penguins. Timing is everything they say.
Can you a video with team most hall famers
SHANNON....how about the 1st game of the regular season starts off with the previous Stanley Cup finals....for example, this upcoming season 2024 ,October 7?....the only game would be Florida v Edmonton....kind of "hall of fame " game. It would be very exciting plus huge ratings.
always remember the Boston - Blues once !
None of the Penguins’ five Cups were clinched at home. That is bizarre.
Dallas won in 99 moving on 😂😂
Without skipping a beat, good call Shannon
@THG, do you still have the videos of your reviews of the Stanley Cup series' you watched? Being a lifelong fan of the Blues, but only a recent fan of yours, I'd love to see the review of the Blues/Bruins series.
I love that the Avalanche may not have 10 Cups, but every time they have gone to the Finals, they've won it. #GoAvs
I was 10 years old the last Flyers Cup. We all thought they would be a dynasty but it wasn't meant to be. I remember the MAB Paints bumper stickers that said "Hat Trick in '76". They even went to the semi-finals in 1977 & 78 and back to the finals in 1980. Not So Fun Fact for we Flyers fans, we have the distinction of kicking off 2 consecutive dynasties. The 76-79 Canadiens and the 1980-83 Islanders. We were also victim #2 & #3 for the Oilers. Speaking of which, the 1987 finals were the most painful for me. Coming back from 3-1 to tie the series in one of the greatest games I've ever seen only to fall in game 7. 1997 sucked as well as we were so dominating in the playoffs and just didn't show up in the finals. Now I'm not so sure I'll see another Cup win again.
Interesting fact about the Capitals 1998 cup final loss. Washington was the #4 seed that year. In the first round, the top three seeds all lost. This left the Caps as the top seed remaining for the next 2 rounds. So it wasn't too surprising that the Red Wings swept them in the Final
Watching this video after the Fla vs Edm game 4 review. Florida wins at home in game 5 and send Edmonton back home, or this will see a game 7 most likely. But hey, it’s hockey, so anything can happen. From board bounces, unlucky deflections, goalies caught out of the net and more. :-)
*sadbuffalonoises*
Stolarz in net, good for him. 👍
Kind of expected this. Florida overcame Kulikov’s dumb mistake last night, but another bad mistake tonight has led to a snowball effect.
At least Oilers’ fans will go home happy; will Florida’s on Tuesday?
I am trying to decide who is going to crush my hopes and dreams again next time Philly makes it to the finals. Edmonton, Montreal, Islanders, Chicago and Detroit had the dynasties that beat Philly. It will be a while before Philly is even competitive outside of the first round. But I think it's reasonable to think they've learned how to navigate the post cap world and start stringing better seasons together again.
Shannon, since you’re on the topic of historic SC Finals, do a review of St. Louis Blues in the ‘68-‘70 Cup Finals scores and opponents. The Blues put up a valiant effort vs those original 6 teams that were stacked with HOF players. Anybody looking at those teams would have much greater appreciation for the task the Blues had to face. Unbelievable.
But let's be real. Had the league not been so lazy the Blues nor any of the other expansion teams would have sniffed the finals.
@@Rockhound6165 that is true. But the NHL wanted the expansion cities to have a chance to grow interest in their respective markets. To succeed.
It’s weird from 1995 to 1997. Every team just swept during the finals and Detroit did it twice
1995 through 1998, four consecutive Finals that ended in sweeps.
Maybe a better indicator would be GM. If there is a GM who puts together teams that get really close without winning the cup. Maybe they know how to put together a competitive team, but there is always something missing. And maybe there's a GM out there that puts together a team that wins the cup, they fall off, they sign somewhere else, win again, and the process repeats.
it looks way more often you lose in the finals the year after winning the cup
The Pens go back to back, or they don't go at all.
The league is treating the Utah team is as a new franchise in terms of records and history. It's going to be weird having to explain that in the future on videos like this. Even weirder if AZ comes back
5:51 Found the mistake on the board. Those are parentheses. Not ellipses. ;)
Kinda crazy how rarely a core first loses in the final, then wins it. For most franchises, it's first try or bust.
Toronto Maples leaf yes they been in cup final and last won 1967.
But that was before the expansion
Still hoping for a Buffalo v Vancouver Stanley Cup Finals before I push up daisies! Am the same age as these two franchises but just few months older!
what do people think about the UTAH jerseys?
yooo i was just talking about how Gretzky and Crosby lost their first finals in 83 and 08 and then both went back and won in 84 and 09. does mcdavid follow the pattern?
I sure hope so!
Oilers won’t make the Final next year. They’re lucky they got as far as they did this year.
Gretzky in 84 and Crosby in 09 weren't down 3 games to 0 in the final
Oilers will be better next year. Just need a scoring 2nd line LW and a pylon to replace Ceci.
The memes this channel will have if Oilers make the come back😂 but I can't realisitically see them winning 3 more times
From the Oilers' POV, it's important to keep in mind that all the key pieces of the roster are already signed for next year, and none of the players whose contracts are up who they should be looking to keep are looking for big raises. On top of this, a lot of the good, young players have taken big strides this year (Bouchard, Skinner, Broberg, Holloway), and should by all rights be even better and more consistent next year. This was just Florida's year, but I don't see any reason why Oilers can't be the Panthers of 2025.
"There aren't bad teams in the playoffs"
Washington sitting in the corner avoiding everyone's gaze.
LOL
They were not objectively bad. I remember, even in the 90s, teams being 20 games under .500 making the playoffs.
probably the worst playoff team since the 2008-09 Blue Jackets
Bruins are the kings of losing in the Final. Always bet against them if they get there!
Also the Flyers
As an Oilers fan, I have to ask that you please do NOT place the Oilers magnet next to an Islanders magnet! It could cause a 'fuss'. Some of us still get PTSD at hearing the name "William Smith" or a host of other names....
If you dint like don't watch then it's his channel not your channel can't wait till dirty edmonton lose tonight
Just proves what I believe that losing hurts more than winning feels great. You would think that 1984 would have cured your ptsd
The islanders still owned the early eighties, can't take that away for them.
I wonder how many teams lost in the first round & win the cup the next year.
Hi
Where’s Utah? 😅
10:14 you’ve seen all 3 of the Avalanche cups also.
16:49 I agree, the only teams that make it are playoff caliber and then teams choke in round 1. Makes for more interesting playoffs
AND COLUMBUS
Florida’s defense looks like the Maginot Line vs. a hailstorm of Panzers tonight.
One bad pinch and an SHG later, Edmonton’s taken this one over. They lose, they’ll really have no-one to blame but themselves.
Imagine if the Oilers come back lol
Crazy to think the 80’s were basically owned by 2 teams
Still , Montreal and Calgary at least got one each
I think you should put an Asterisk by the Toronto Maple Leafs on your "No Finals Appearances" list. Where the rest of them that is 100% true.. if you went back just 1 season, they actually won the cup the season before expansion and 4 of the last 6 years prior.. so they should get the little star by their name. Yeah, none in the expansion era.. buy unlike the rest.. it's not totally true from their history.
I agree even though yes I’m an oilers fan and don’t like the leafs but yes he should have put the leafs on the board for their cup in ‘67!
That's 57 years ago. This is measuring success in the expansion era. If I include 1967, I have to add the entire original six era.
Could have had a better nod of that that’s all it just looks like they never made it at all like Columbus
Could have had a written gotten x number cups pre expansion
@@TheHockeyGuy That's why the asterisk... becuase they were group with No finals appearances.. and unlike the rest on the list.. They have appearances... just not in the timeframe you were documenting... all the rest.. They are the ONLY original 6 to have no appearances in since the '68 expansion. I do understand you're not going back that far.. But the NO appearance is only partially correct for them... thus the little footnote. (and for the record... I know that it burns in Toronto with fans that they've not been back since. Even more than the fact that the sabres have been there twice with nothing to show for it... )
"Hey, they made the Final 57 years ago!" Hilarious.
Flyers lost to teams in the finals that became the teams to beat. Candadians, Islanders, Oilers x 2, Red Wings, Blackhawks.
You jinxed it you put Oilers in 2024 loss and the Panthers in 2024 win
blackhawks 2025 stanley cup champions
Avalanche the only team to win every time they make it to the finals
1999 Dallas Stars - gifted the SC, cursed until they win it legitimately!! - since then - 0-2 in SC's, 0-2 WCFs - you know why, because they are CURSED by the gifted 1999 SC.
As a Ranger fan, I have no issue saying that the next team to pop their Stanley Cup cherry will be the Buffao Sabres. You heard it here first
That's a guarantee that a giant comet will crash into the earth, immediately after. Or if the Bills win a SB, world ending sh!t will follow the next day. 👍
Think the Wild or Preds get there first.
Vegas are going to be back with hell to pay for anyone that meets them.
Curious how Expansion Team Blue fans were feeling about losing 3 straight cup finals. Are you just happy to be there because you don't have to play in the original 6 division so you kind of knew you were probably getting smoked? Or is it like the Bills misery of 4 straight super bowl losses?
I am not old enough to have experienced it but I know my uncle felt more like the Bills fans.
I'm old enough to remember those first 3 seasons of the Blues In 1970-71 the league began crossover playoffs between East and West divisions
@@jacobdill4499 that sux. Im sure that 19 cup must have felt even better then
If Florida wins a cup it only left Ottawa and Buffalo without a title in the Atlantic Division so 6/8 having won the SC.
Metro is 7/8, only Columbus never won
Central : 4/8
Pacific : 5/8
While making the finals doesn't necessarily mean winning, or returning to win in the next year, from what I can see of this list, making consecutive finals does seem to indicate winning at least one Stanley Cup.
The Canucks has the best winning % in NHL history when it comes to the conference finals.
No need to delve into this stat any further.
Oh god if Florida loses the cup now...
Chicago didn't make the Cup Finals before winning in 2010 but they did go to the West Finals in 09. I think they learned from that.
Going up against that Detroit team was a good learning lesson for guys like Toews and Kane.
1992 Blackhawks were in the Stanley Cup Final vs Penguins 4 game sweep for Pittsburgh 1992 is on the board for Chicago
@@michaelleroy9281 I meant the Toews and Kane team not the franchise. I don't think 1992 was a learning experience for the 2010 Blackhawks.
The Wings made the finals in '63, '64 and 66'.
It's cyclical.
Better not to jinx these Finals...
Jinxes aren't a thing. If I could influence the outcome of games, teams I root for would win.
@@TheHockeyGuy Fair enough, it's just as a Panthers fan and game being 8-1 as I type this, timing is just bad🥴
@@TheHockeyGuy But keep up your excellent work❤️
@@TheHockeyGuy
I think jinxes only work when you don't have a dog in the fight.
so no one lost in the final, and won the cup the following year?… Panthers will be first🤷🏻♂️
Oilers dd it, but it is rare.
@@TheHockeyGuy ohhhh yes 👏🏼
@@Realistic316 Pittsburgh did it as well in 2009
@@user-ji3il6ce2o wow, maybe i should’ve thought this through a bit more 😆
Oilers lost in 1983 and then won in 1984. The Pens also did it in 2008 and 2009 but they had a couple of Cups prior to that.
I hope the current season ends tonight so the next season can begin.
Not quite how that works, friend..
Summer comes first , then next season with the new Utah Hockey 🏒 Club
Both Gretzky and Crosby lost their first final, then won it the very next year. Maybe McDavid too?
@HockeyGuy, I plan on being the worse nightmare in your comment section until you get it through that noggin that it was not a goal. Only genuine hockey fans and the spirit of Lord Stanley know it was not a goal. So get ready to have any Dallas Star's reference to that SC being corrected. It was no-goal, we'll get you to the truth sooner or later, why are you avoiding the topic? You know why, because it was NO-GOAL, Hull's skate was in the crease, it had been called that way all year, and as a result the NHL removed that rule the next year. Gee, I wonder why the NHL did that, you know why, because Hull's goal was NO-GOAL.
I'm not a fan of Dallas, wasn't fan of Brett Hull, and felt at the time that Hasek was one of the greatest goalies I ever saw play. I hated that rule as it wiped out so many goals during the season, all because someone's skate was touching blue paint without interfering with the goalie in any way. After Hull scored with his foot in the crease on Hasek, I was thrilled that the refs just let it go, because a stupid useless rule shouldn't interfere with the Stanley Cup Finals.
Panthers have been a sh,*t show tonight. The inconsistent refs are just one part of it. 1st Period that knee to knee should have been a 5 minute major. Panthers are getting caught flatfooted and missing assignments. Go Panthers. Finish them off in Game #5.
That's not a five minute major. There was zero intent.
Panthers deserve to win the Stanley Cup . Cheering for the Oil but the effort of Florida is rather remarkable .
Same here im an Oilers fan but it's clear that Florida won't be denied a third time. They're my favorite team in the east so ig that can soften the blow a bit.
@@Chris-qo4rt Take care !
Most of the Flames fans still crying about the false "phantom goal" in 2004 are now barely even old enough to remember it. That is just a pure sore loser thing to do.
The whistle blew before the puck crossed the line, they always seem to ignore that aspect.
It was an inconclusive goal. Unfortunately, those don't count.
@@ALTDOK667 is there any actual evidence that it was a goal? No? Then it's no goal. Simple as that. No replay angle ever showed the puck in the net, so he didn't score. Funny how many people use no evidence to support Flames fans' false claims that they scored.
@@kfnwuwbw9s I didn't say they scored. I said it was inconclusive. Couldn't see exactly where the puck was because it was in the goalie's glove. It didn't count. They lost. Oh wells.