The Shroud of Turin: Photograph of the Resurrection - Part 2: History of a Miracle (2024 Updates)
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In this special two-part lecture series, Duran Smith talks about the science and history behind the Shroud of Turin. Come and see why it's often called a "photograph of the resurrection of Jesus." This mysterious artifact has fascinated people for centuries. The miraculous image on the Shroud has proven to be scientifically unexplainable. Could this be the actual burial cloth of Jesus Christ in which He was resurrected? Part 1 covers exciting new scientific dating results, and Part 2 will reveal new historical insights into the Shroud's journey from Jerusalem to Turin.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:04 Known History of the Shroud from 1355 to 1978
00:04:42 Summary of Miraculous Findings from STURP 1978
00:09:58 Map of Shroud History Geography
00:11:41 Jesus in the Gospels
00:12:59 The Shroud in the Gospels
00:16:05 The Shroud in the 1st Century: Jerusalem to Antioch
00:32:18 The Shroud in the 2nd-4th Centuries: Antioch and Edessa
00:44:32 Art Depicting Jesus from the 1st-4th Centuries
00:46:44 The Shroud in the 4th-6th Centuries: Antioch to Cappadocia
00:52:42 The Pantokrator
00:57:02 6th-8th Centuries: Constantinople and the Image of God Incarnate
01:04:05 The Legend of King Abgar of Edessa
01:07:54 8th-12th Centuries: Two Images Hidden in Byzantium
01:12:01 13th Century: Stolen into Legend
01:17:25 The Missing Years: The Besancon Hypothesis
01:20:10 The Missing Years: The Knights Templar Hypothesis
01:21:33 The Veil of Veronica
01:26:09 The Holy Shroud
01:29:28 1899: The First Photograph of the Shroud
01:30:46 1978: Not Made with Human Hands
01:36:09 Objections: But We Don’t Know What Jesus Looked Like
01:37:34 Maybe Rocks Emit Radiation
01:38:10 Maybe Leonardo DaVinci Did It
01:38:34 But His Beard Was Pulled Out
01:40:09 But His Face Was Beaten
01:41:20 But the Man Looks European
01:42:50 But Long Hair is a Sin for Men
01:43:57 But God Forbids Idolatry
01:45:42 But Medieval Letters Say It’s a Hoax
01:47:19 But the Gospels Mention Strips of Linen
01:50:06 The Conclusion
01:53:00 A Fading Image
01:54:00 Closing Prayer
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By his stripes we are healed !!! To see the blood stains from those stripes!!! I hope this will open man eyes.Thank you Jesus for paying my ransom
I am a remote sensing scientist, and I have created the image on paper using light. The Shroud cannot be a medieval forgery. My research will be released later this year. Great video. 👍
I look forward to hearing about it! Feel free to email me at duransmith@verimyth.com
@@verimythpictures9755 Absolutely! 👍
what can we search for? Where will it be published?
Jesus Christ is still doing miracles even today and He will never stop doing miracles because we are his beautiful creation ❤
He will never stop doing miracles, BECAUSE... That Is Who He Is... we just happen to His beautiful creation too!
This was the most comprehensive report of The Shroud that I have EVER heard and seen. You, Sir, have done a stellar job of presenting every single fact! Thank you SO MUCH!
That was an engrossing history lesson, and the time flew past.
King Yeshua's imminent appearing will happen any day now and we'll see Him in all of His power and glory🥰
I can hardly wait.
Read your KJV Bible for the things that must happen before Jesus comes back. "Any day now" ? The antichrist hasn't presented himself. Who has received the Mark of the Beast? There's so much that has to come to pass first so NOT "any day now"
All of this info has been on the internet since the 90s. All this man has done is download info
Maranatha!
And all the info from WWII has been around for80 years, yet I still see interesting, new WWII videos that I enjoy.
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I have AB positive blood just like my savior that is so cool to me. It is I’m so enjoying this broadcast.
O- blood type. I’m kind of jealous.
AB+ is rare, and can take all types of blood into itself.
@@AK5of8O- here too, we are rare as well (and extremely valuable!)
Correction...Catholics do not believe that we are "re"-crucifying Jesus. During the Eucharistic celebration, (as the Jews believed and still believe with the Passover as celebration of the Exodus) we are supernaturally brought back in time to the one and only crucifixion. However, we are not actually brought back in time, as in a time machine mannor, but, instead, Jesus, Himself, comes forward in time and His one and only 2,000 years old crucifixion is represented to the faithful.
Amen!!!
Amen 🙏
@NewSonRising2024 the re crucifying argument is completely stupid
@NewSonRising2024Well, Jesus Christ, Himself , said ,"This is my blood, This is my body." He doubled down on this and restated this 6 times in John 6,
......so, the real question is, why do protestants call Jesus a liar?.... And for that matter , where as most of the disagreements between Catholics and protestants (those in protest to the fullness of the truth of Jesus Christ) is almost always having to do with the interpretation of the Bible, I wonder why it is the actual words of Jesus Christ that the protestants argue over. The Bible is a Catholic book. The first Christians were Catholic. Saint Ignatius of Antioch first called the Christians Catholic in 107AD. The Apostolic Fathers (those who studied directly under the Apostles) and the early Church Fathers, all being the Bishops of the 1st through 5th centuries, all believed and practiced exactly as we still do to this very day in every Catholic Church all around the world.
@@row1landr :
AMEN!
Thank you for all your time and research it took to present this. It strengthened my faith just when I needed it.
the shroud is not jesus, and when are religious people going to start using their heads and figure why it can't be jesus, it's obvious or should be.
@@HarryNicNicholas I don’t think you watched the whole documentary or the other one that goes with it. What would you say makes it obvious?
Jesus said faith is worthless as a mustard seed since you can't order mountains to move as if they could say, "how far Sir?"
Re: Luke 11:29-36 "As the crowds increased", Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.
Jonah 1:15-17 KJV So they took up Jonah and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. The superstitious crowd is wicked.
We know them by their works & those use the vocabulary of fiction as if we did not know nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. No man looks for prophet as a job description outside of fantasyland. Even Jesus Christ proclaims faith is worthless since you can't get mountains to jump on command, as if they could ask "How high sir." Jesus Christ is fiction so you can cherry-pick a number of things. I'm trying to use the text to point out nothing is sacred or divine, it is your faith which heals you & not touching the hem of his tunic like people do, by virtual touching the shroud of Turin. The scream from the wicked generation says look there is a magic image of Jesus, He is not fiction.
Men have always known God is fiction. The Temple of God serves the best meat, & if Gods existed, She would have no need of men for teachers. Thanks for the reply.
How is it possibly ethical to suggest the equivalent of a notion we all travel with one foot in a stranger's fantasyland, using fictional vocabulary: prophecy, prayer, etc. We have Moses: World's worst navigator leading a party as if travel were best done with one foot in fiction.
If Christianity were so good, why are the Jews unconvinced?
The religious lack any standing for a vacuum of quality-control. The Jews have a joke: God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel. As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah, who was sacrificed overboard & the raging sea grew calm." The sign of Jonah is the superstitious working their way to a majority & good people dying.
Need we add more?
Should we ignore it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions, the witch killing? Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. We don't recommend prophet as job description. We know them by their works & Christians have attempted to put their new wine in the old Jew wineskin. They both come from genital mutilation spun up with circumcision as a shortcoming.
We know them by their works, the vocabulary of fiction, of spin.
I have always thought that this was the authentic burial shroud of Christ but I love seeing all the evidence that keeps coming out
Respectfully, this is the burial shroud of somebody who was crucified. There is no evidence that this is the burial shroud of Jesus Christ.
@@TBNTX I appreciate your point of view
I have seen all the evidence I need to convince me of what I believe
@@TBNTX Thousands of people were crucified, and a few of them were even buried. If a shroud was used, the decomposition of the corpse consumes the cloth.
A simple probability study indicates that the person descibed in the Gospels as having been arrested, assaulted, wounded multiple times on his scalp, scourged, executed by crucifixion, speared in his right side, interned covered by a linen shroud, and whose corpse was found to have been mysteriously removed from that shroud within 48 hours of internment is the same person whose corpse is depicted by the images on the Turin Shroud.
Islamic theology holds that this person was not Jesus. So, if you want to go there, then you are right: it isn't Jesus.
Nope, it's definitely the burial shroud of Jesus of Nazerth - all the forensic details line up with the Gospel accounts, the linen weave dates specifically to the first century and locale of Palestine, and the manner of the negative photographic image formed on the linen material defies any know how - technological or otherwise (as to human agency as cause). IOW, in the context of the ancient time of origination it is miraculous in nature. And even today scientific study indicates it would take an immense energy burst of very short time duration in order to form a photographic negative image on linen material. The burst would need to be sub nanoseconds time diration so as to not set the linen material on fire. Today we have sufficient scientific understanding to define the necessary physical parameters to cause such an image on linen, but to recreate something like the Shroud and at its scale, would still be beyond or at the very edge of current technology. So for any past centuries, human agency as cause is an impossibility.
Due to the extraordinary science involved per the formation of the image, circumstantial evidence for this being the Shroud of Jesus goes way beyond the degree of circumstantial evidences that has lead to conviction and execution of criminals in courts of law.
Dear Sir,
Part-1 and part-2 of this series is nothing short of a MASTERPIECE of research into little known and obscure history, deductive reasoning and BACKED by SCIENCTIFIC findings!!
This 2-part series is so ASTONISHINGLY GOOD that I submit that it should be part of ANY school, college curriculum that teaches about HOLY RELICS, and little know aspects of the "man" called JESUS.
Quoting the now famous passage from the 1st century Roman historian, Josephus:
“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man..."
Stay Blessed, Sir.
Robert-
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Fr Carlos Martins is traveling America now with the Arm of St Jude relic. St Jude wears a medallion of the face of Jesus that is the image of Edessa! He tells the story of if this miraculous image of Christ that is before his cruxifiction.Jesus sent St Jude after the resurrection to heal the King in Edessa ! If you have a chance to venerate the holy relic of St Jude see the beautiful display and hear Fr Carlos Martin tell the story . He may be traveling on your area soon!
I love this, the song Rock of Ages, speaks about the water and the blood from His Wounded side that flowed. I am singing it right now.❤😢❤ Be a single double cure safe from wrath and made pure. Rock of Ages, cleft for me, let me hide myself in thee.❤❤❤
Shabbat Shalom to you all!!
Blood ab is very rare
And being Jesus Blood. The most precious!
1:35:00 - The reason the Sudarium of Oviedo was discovered in the tomb with the Shroud is that first century Jewish burial law required that any material containing body fluids (blood) resulting from a violent death must be interred with the body.
Post-mortem blood issues, to be exact.
@@jeffreyerwin3665 Suppose the clothe that is referred to as the Veil of Veronica and that which is referred to as the Sudarium of Oviedo were switched and mislabeled.
The Sudarium wasn't the cloth that was placed over Jesus's face in conjunction with the shroud, but in fact was the cloth that Veronica used to wipe Jesus's face.
The Veil of Veronica is actually the Image of Edessa, and was what actually placed on Jesus's face.
For some reason the names were interchanged with the clothe in question. So there were three clothes directly related to Jesus;
The Image of Edessa, which was the clothe that was placed on Jesus's face when he was buried.
The Suderium of Oviedo, which is the actually clothe used by Veronica to wipe Jesus's face before the crucifixion.
The Shroud of Turin, which was the linen cloth Jesus was buried in.
Thank you for publishing this and for your historical diligence.
Thanks for sharing these videos. More people need to watch them.
Bless you.
It's my absolute pleasure! Please share it! 😀
The bible does forbid idols and graven images. But this image was not formed by the hand of man but the hand of God and like the tablets of the Law given to Moses this image is held in veneration. Jesus came and died and rose again in Victory to fulfil the law that he Himself gave to Moses, and this image is a testimony of His absolute victory over sin and death. The Lord left this small and subtle reminder of this Truth, astounding if one really considers this. Well done.
Very excellent and informative. I did not know all the history presented.
I never doubted the truth of the shroud. I always believed it was real and a beautiful miracle.
Listening to your presentation, i hav a personal belief that Mary, ( Jesus mother) , kept the handkerchief.
I believe this because, as a mom myself, and i believe most moms , would do this. ( by the way , I'm personally not catholic religion).
- Deb
It's not about being catholic it's just common sense. Jesus was part human and had a human family who had human emotions.
Excellent report!
Correction....God DID NOT forbid the making of images!!!!
He forbade the making of images if said image was to be worshipped as a God. Said God would ofcourse be a false God.
The cloth was folded which is Jewish custom at the time. This unmistakably proves it was a Jewish man who was buried in that tomb
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Thank you for putting this together. It just reinforces my faith.
Very well-researched and compelling. Thank you for all your hard work!
This is so FASCINATING!
What came to my mind, though I don't remember the exacts in the matter, was the mass Bible translations starting in Constantinople. (From my flawed memory) around the 1400s. This would make sense if the person who pushed for the Bible to be able to be read by the public had seen the shroud, and became a believer in our Christ, Jesus. I will take another look and refresh on this. Nice 👍🏻❤❤❤
It's a nice thought, but the Shround was already in France by the 1400s. 🙂
Lots of Saints and Visionaries have been allowed to see Jesus and receive His Messages, and they all agree about His likeness, like St. Padre Pio, St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, and many other Saints, like St. Maria Faustina Kowalska and the image of Jesus in the Divine Mercy. For those who claim that 'we don't know how Jesus looks like' very absurdly.
The Hymn of the Pearl (wow)! The Shroud image is also a mirror image not only a negative.
Excellent! Thanks for your hard work 🙏❤️🙏
The miraculous images of Jesus' dead body that are on his burial shroud are wonderful gift to us from our Creator, and it has been validated by scientific investigation.
How sad that some biased humans just take it and throw it in the trash.
Thank you for your sharing 🙏❤
Well done, thank you brother
I really hope the information on Pilate is true. Thanks for your hard work.
From articles that I’ve read on the earlier carbon dating study… it was only taken from the edges of the shroud, so as not to damage any significant part of the image, the problem is 2 fold:
1. The edges where it was taken from was a sewn in portion that was added centuries after the original linen of the shroud.
2. There was a fire in the chapel in the 1300’s which would increase the amount of carbon potentially on the shroud… thus negating a specific dating of the shroud.
Veronica's Veil is being kept as a relic, that is not on display, at St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. It is shown engraved on the marble, and we can see the engraved name of Veronica on the outside of the marble during televised Masses from St. Peter's.
By far the stongest legend is that of the Image of Edessa. The disciple Thaddeus carried a cloth that had an image of Jesus' face to King Abgar V in Edessa. In 944 A.D. the emperor of Constantinople expropriated that cloth from Edessa and enshrined it Constantinople. As with all important relics, it was assigned its own Feast Day, August 16th. No feast day was ever assigned to the burial shroud of Jesus even though sermons about it were spoken. That suggests that the Image of Edessa and the burial shroud of Jesus were the same cloth, the Image being folded up so that only its facial aspect was visible.
thank you
The truth hurts the truth heals and the truth set's us free.
Watch Part 1: Science of a Miracle here: czcams.com/video/xq5kHkoj904/video.htmlsi=lU8rFWIGT7-2db6v
If you have faith and love and believe in Jesus and his teachings, then, and only then does the shroud of Jesus, makes sense, and is authentic. If you have doubt in your heart, and are not sure if Jesus is real, then you are stuck in a world of shadow, and it is not or could not be real. Faith moves mountains. Love shines, bright, and more bright than the sun in the sky. Namaste.
Explain this. 1 Corinthians 11:14 - Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
@@kicnbac I address that objection at the end of the video.
@@kicnbac god doesn’t care about our physical form because for all we know, our spiritual self has no hair. I think that God believes all his creations are beautiful to him or it.
@@kicnbac When it comes to the passage from I Cor. 11:14-15, one must remember that it was written at least 20 years after the death of Jesus. Closer study will reveal that it is simply Paul's personal opinion and certainly not a regulation which would have applied to Jesus during his lifetime.
Paul was writing to former Greek pagans, who literally believed that women had long hair because long hair acted as a vacuum to suck up semen in order to make babies. This was cutting edge science at the time.
Completely misunderstanding Paul, the people he was writing to, the actual context of the letters, and ignoring his own personal beliefs and actions has done more damage to the Kingdom of God than practically anything else.
Taking a single, out of context verse from Paul and creating an entire theology from it is absolutely retarded, but unfortunately all too common. People will ignore all of the evidence that the shroud is legit and then prove their case by misquoting Paul and acting like every sentence he wrote was thereafter 100% infallibly applicable in all situations at all times forever.
This is an amazing project of research you completed. Thank you for sharing all of this. Did you mention anything further regarding Pilate's orders for the thief to be wrapped in the shroud? "And it works?" Now that is a cliffhanger...
Amazing proof
At the 43:20 minute mark you say that Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe that in the Eucharist that Christ is sacrificed AGAIN. That is incorrect. We (Catholics) believe that the Mass is a sacrifice where Christ’s sacrifice is re-presented for the faithful of this time. (See the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1366-7). Christ said the his Apostles at the Last Supper… “do this in memory of Me”.
It's a distinction with very little difference to me. I have spoken to Catholics who believe what I said. Not all Catholics understand the nuance. And quite frankly, as a Protestant who does not believe in the real presence in the Eucharist, I don't think it ultimately matters. No offense.
@@verimythpictures9755the Protestants also practice the:
"Taking of the wine; and the bread!"
I have been to many Protestant church services.
They pass containers full of tiny-sized shot glasses; which hold grape juice (symbolizing the blood)- and they pass out trays; with little cut squares of bread
(symbolizing the body)
At "The Last Supper"-
Jesus Christ commanded his 12 disciples:
To drink of the wine and eat the bread.
He said:
"Do this In Rememberance Of Me"✝️
@@kimmiller6509sure they do, Protestants participate in communion, but we don’t claim that the wine and bread become the literal blood and flesh of Jesus like the Roman Catholics do.
Paul could have had the shroud in mind when he wrote these words to the Corinthians because the image is fading and it is a mirror image (Just a thought, certainly no proof texts here);
"But whenever the perfect should come, then the thing in part shall cease work. When I was an infant, as an infant I spoke, as an infant I thought, as an infant I considered; but when I became a man I ceased in the things of the infant. For we see now by a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall recognize as also I was recognized." 1 Corinthians 13
I saw Jesus on January 1st 2013 and knew then that the shroud was the actual true cloth of Jesus. My testimony is on CZcams called rapture apocalypse testimony 2018
Interestingly there was a very good reason for the sudarium to not be thrown out. In Jewish culture the blood of someone killed is respected as much as the body. If possible linens w blood would have been buried w the body. I have not seen this proven in a historical way though. But it is something I have frequently read. But I do have questions. What did they do with any cloths used to wash his body?
Will anyone be sequencing the DNA on the shroud or on the sudarium?
The DNA is too degraded to be sequenced. Personally, I'm glad. The last thing we need is a weird Jesus clone running around, haha.
On page 300 of THE SHROUD OF TURIN, 2015, Fanti writes regarding a DNA study on a Shroud blood crust:
"In 2007, the American scientist F. Tipler analyzed again the electropherograms on the DNA published in 1995 and interpreted them not as the product of the contamination of different persons but as the result of blood belonging to a male with the XX chromosome containing the SRY gene.
"Tipler supposed that the sequencing of the blood of the Shroud could be the result of a particular parthenogenisis where the SRY gene was added to the female X chromosome."
@@jeffreyerwin3665 In layman's terms?
Look , I'm a geologist, used to work with rock dating . and I can assure you that the sample was wrongly collected .
See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020. The best textile expert on the Shroud who has personally examined it several times says that the samples were valid. Shroud skeptic Andrea Nicolotti says that the Shroud is an excellent condidate for radiocarbon analysis, missing, of course, the possibility of neutron radiation as a side effect of the image formation.
@@jeffreyerwin3665 , No , Jeffrey , it's not : I'm sure ... I've dated rocks already !! It's not , I'm sorry for the expert . In 1986 I was working on it and any sample different from sampling all the object , ALL of it , the result is not valid
@@jeffreyerwin3665 , in that way , the age for the sample they examinated was correct , technically speaking , but the sample was not AT ALL representative .. , the Lab never ever is going to assume such a mistake . If you were the employée would you assume it ??? I doubt .
@@jeffreyerwin3665 , * In 1986 I was working with it * meaning = I was workin in dating "other" samples with C14 , not the shroud itself
@@Esp142 That depends on what one means by "result." The 1988 radiocarbon analysis of Shroud samples provided readings of the ratios of carbon 14 to carbon 12. These ratios are commonly expressed as dates, but that does not necessarily mean that the readings are proof of a date. The possibility of a systemic error in the data must be eliminated, and that is why the radiocarbon readings are subjected to established mathematical tests. The Shroud's radiocarbon readings do not pass these tests, and that indicates the likelyhood of a systemic error being present in the data.
See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absoption," Rucker, 2020
It appears that the Shroud's 1988 sample was a valid sample and that the Shroud's radiocarbon readings are valid data. But there are several ways to interpret that data:
1. The hypothesis of a medieval date is the most popular, but is falsified by art history and by a recent mathematical analysis of the 1988 readings.
See: RADIOCARBON DATING OF THE TURIN SHROUD: NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE RAW DATA, Casabianca et al., 2019 (published in Archaeometry)
2. The second most popular hypothesis is the Marino/Rodgers secret repair idea which is falsified by the sole textile expert who has personally examined both sides of the Shroud: Dr. Flury-Lemburg. It is also falsified by the Sudarium's 8th century radiocarbon results.
See: "The Invisible Mending of the Shroud, the Theory and the Reality," Dr. Mechthild Flury-Lemberg.
See: Chapter 9 of TEST THE SHROUD, Antonacci, 2015, for a rundown on how Dr. Rodgers went wrong.
3. The one hypothesis that has not been falsified is the neutron absorption hypothesis. Since the Shroud's images appear to have been formed by some type of radiation, it is reasonable to suppose that a neutron flux may have been a side effect. This hypothesis explains why the Sudarium shows radiocarbon dates of 8th century.
See: "Could an anomaly in the Turin Shroud blood reopen the 1988 radiocarbon-datin result?", Fanti/Kowalski, BSTS Shroud Newsletter, Winter 2021. (The spectrum of a Shroud blood crust shows an absence of nitrogen.)
I believe it was st jude/thaddeus who is credited with taking the image to edessa
Can you please let me know what you think of the image of Guadalupe? Does this item seem real or fake and what is the evidence for either? Thank you.
I don't think Gibson made that mistake, yet instead used the shroud as an indicator of what Christ looked like during Veronica's moment. Just my opinion of course.
My family was connected to the house of Savoy and were in the court of king victor Emanuel in venice
Have they checked the shroud for volcanic ash? I am referring to the volcanic eruption of 536ad., which turned the skies dark for a year and actually caused a mini ice-age. It was around the time when they were parading it around.
I agree. I believe the split in his beard is from pulling. If you look close, you can see his exposed chin.
what can you say about the "Holy Face" in Manepeloo, Italy?
You should look up the real image of Divine Mercy that Saint Faustina had painted. She claimed to have seen and spoke to Jesus. It matches exactly to the shroud of Turin.
Oviedo is not in France. It is the capital of Asturias, in Northwestern Spain.
Excellent video. Thank you. I do have a good question here. How come after 2000 years has not the linen cloth disintegrated or have become rotten or with a bunch of holes based on time and being exposed to the air, people's hands, along with a bunch of other elements over time? I guess we could just say it's a miracle from God and it was preserved by God for the purpose of evidence. What would your take on that be? Thank you
During most of the time of the Shroud's existence it has been kept in a silver box hidden away. Out of light and handling. It's not as in good condition as it once was, but that's to be expected. There are fabrics from King Tut's tomb that appeared to be almost knew when they were discovered. It's all how they were stored and taken care of.
"Veronica" is not a Jewish name. It appears to be a conflation of the words "vera" and "iconica" which mean "true" and "icon." The Byzantines were known for the sacred art of iconography.
At "true" icon" would be one which was touched to the original scene. Obviously this was impossible for ancient subjects, but for icons of the Mandylion, it was possible to do this. Therefore, icons of the Mandylion could be labelled, "vera iconica." Several legends were invented for the purpose of explaining how the Mandylion's image had been created. Most of them failed to explain the bruising of Jesus face. However, one later legend did explain that feature. Some icons of the Mandylion have small sub-pictures which show scenes of the Mandylion's history, and one of these shows a woman holding a cloth up to Jesus' face as he is carrying his cross. At that time, his face would have been bloody and bruised.
Some icons of the Mandylion were exported to the West together with the legend of the Mandylion's creation and with the label of "vera iconica." It seems that the western populace conflated "vera iconica" to the woman's name of "Veronica."
The Western legend of Veronica does not begin until after the Image of Edessa had been expropriated to Copnstantinople in 944 A.D.
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At about 1:27 did he mistakenly say: "The last king of England"?
Ha! I did! At 01:27:52 I meant to say the last king of Italy. Thanks for pointing that out. 🙂
The record of "two different cloths" in Constantinople is somewhat the same as in the Catholic Church where we see the Legend of Veronica on the sixth station of the cross as one cloth and the Turin Shroud as the other cloth. While Church authorities know that the Legend of Veronica was based on a 10th century Byzantine icon, they do nothing to dissuade the long-standing beliefs of their parishoners as to the Veronica cloth. Thus, in the Catholic Church, we see two cloths.
The Image of Edessa was taken to Constaninople in 944 A.D. It was a facial image of Jesus described as "folded four times." ThIs Relic was famous and was venerated by the Byzantine populace. At some point the Byzantine authorities decided to remove the Edessa cloth from its framwork, and they discoved the cloth's true nature. However, rather than dissuade the populace of their devotion to the Image of Edessa, the Byzantine authorities simply professed to the possession of a second cloth, the burial shroud of Jesus.
There are not three miraculous images of Jesus. The Holy Shroud's image is the basis for both the Veroinica legend and for the Image of Edessa.
Yes, that's what I argue in the video. The Veil of Veronica was the Image of Edessa, but even the Image of Edessa was just an especially old painting of the Shroud.
Nonsense! The Image of Edessa was always described as "Not made by hand." The legends that were invented to explain it all purport a miraculous origin.
Furthermore, the Edessa Image was always described as being folded several times. A painting could not have been subjected to that treatment without bieng damaged, and if a painting was folded up, its depiction of Jesus' face would not have been visible.
It seems that you have been taken in by Markwardt's spurious ideas. @@verimythpictures9755
@@jeffreyerwin3665 The point is that there was conflation between the Image of Edessa and the Image of God Incarnate. So of course both of them would occasionally be described wrongfully.
Nonsense@@verimythpictures9755
Look at the mosaics from the time of Jesus around Jerusalem.The people had dark to light hair and look the same as Europeans.
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My old grandmothers wicker baskets- have shown me a sign. The end is nigh. We are all DOOMED.
You might be doomed if you dont have Jesus, but those who follow Jesus are not doomed. We are saved at great, precious cost.
The Shroud was in Constainople in the 3 and 4th Century Turkey
I learned from a Biblical scholar quite a few years ago when I was watching the show Now You See TV from one of the hosts David Carrico about ancient Jewish customs regarding practices of hosting a traveler regarding the head cloth. I"m not certain what he said about the purposes of the head cloth but we can surmise maybe it was used to lay his head on. I just do not know. The custom was that if you were going to return to stay another night you left the head cloth neatly on the bed but unfolded. When your travel has ended and have decided to stay your head cloth would be folded. Now I must remind you I have not personally seen any resources on this but you may know how and where to find the truth. David said that the head cloth in Jesus' tomb unfolded to show them that He would return! I have no idea if this is factual info but I'd love to know!
More evidence that Luke / Paul had these items.
"Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, and the handkerchief ("Soudarion" in Greek) that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself." John 20: 6-7
"Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs ("Soudarion" in Greek) or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them." Acts 19: 11-12
I have a problem wearing a torture device around my neck. The rolled stone, or even better, as far as my own personal tastes go, a dove, representing the spirit that came because he paid it all. Praise his name above all others throughout the ages, and for all eternity.
The Pharisees were not involved in Jesus' trials or the Crucifixion. While Jesus was up north in the Galilee, the Pharisees were his chief opponents. When he went south to Jerusalem, the drop from the story.
John 19:40, (KJV)Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
The King James is consistent with the shroud.
I do believe that Mary Magdalen brought the shroud in France do not forget that she was Jesus most loved disceple
Why the Church ( the Vatican) chsnges the Holy week date every year?
The shroud will go on display in 2025.
Umberto was the last king of Italy, not England. Bless your heart....i know that you get so excited because i do as well. In the excitement, we can accidentally misspeak.
Also, while in exile, Umberto willed the Holy Shroud only to the living Pope, so, the individual owner was Pope John Paul ll and ownership goes to the individual successors. Umberto felt that the Church as an institution should not have ownership over the Shroud because over a hundred Cardinals would have to all agree on it's care and if any testing would be done on it. So, the Shroud is owned by one single person and that is currently Pope Francis. The STURP team was given permission to study it by King Umberto Savoy the owner at that time. Thank you so much for your research on this topic.
King Umberto was deposed in 1946 by the Constitution of the Italian Republic, and all of the King's Italian property was forfeited to the Italian State. In addition, any will of the King regarding his Italian possessions was declared null and void. The Italian State is the true owner of the Holy Shroud, but seems content to defer to the Catholic Church on the matter of custodianship. An article in the Winter 2020/21 issue of the BSTS Shroud Newsletter addresses this question.
@@jeffreyerwin3665yes, He was in exile, but his will was indeed accounted for and the standing single owner is the current Pope, ...Pope Francis.
After the death of the King, it belonged to Pope John Paul ll.
This is true....follow the paper trail. Look it up. The Vatican does not own it. They only advise , but any decisions made on behalf of the shroud is by the Pope, he has the last word. The residents of Turin do not own the shroud.
The article was in the BSTS Shroud Newslettter, issue no. 92. "The Italian Monarchy, The State, The Church and the Holy Shroud," by Giogio Bracaglia.
Pg. 35: "As for ownership, the title of the Shroud belongs to the State, under the supervision of II Ministro per I beni e le attivita culturali. And as previouslly happened throughout King Umberto's exile, the Government will not impede Turin's authority assigned to the Cardinal to preserve and display the Holy Shroud to all of Christianity.
Issue no. 92 can be seen online at Schwortzs' shroudxxx website
@@jeffreyerwin3665sorry, that is wrong....not all of his possessions were forfeited. Read the ruling on this and you will understand. He was indeed in exile, but blood is thicker than water, as they say and inheritance follows that his will was legally protected. He left the shroud to one single person and that was the current Pope. ...John Paul ll.
@@jeffreyerwin3665Also, as per the documentation, the King was the only one who could give permission, even though in exile, for the STURP team to study the shroud.
Those two lectures should be dubbed/translated to arabic and spread.
The first selfie
Thanks for your video. In regards to the appearance of Jesus looking European, people with Middle Eastern ancestry can have blonde hair and blue eyes. Some accounts describe Jesus as having hair like wheat. Also, this video by the "Spacereinstitute" says that the Shroud depicts Jesus as wearing a cloth. czcams.com/video/xAVZp9tW5FU/video.htmlsi=JXkTqSoa-AJj6b46
Yet in Mr. Smith's video, the body of Jesus is depicted as being nude. The "Spacereinstitute" video also says that Jesus was laid "prone" in the tomb. People in ancient times believed burying people face down would keep them from raising from the dead. I guess it's still difficult for experts to distinguish whether Jesus was laid "prone," like the "Spacereinstitute" proposes, or if Jesus was laid to rest face up and naked.
I have seen that video, and I even left a long comment on it with a bunch of questions. But nobody has ever answered them. I don't think the Man was lying face-down, because there is some minor warping in the image from where the Shroud was draped over Him. We can also see how the blood pooled around His back on the dorsal side.
Riger mortess starts after a couple hrs and not days
Yes! That's why his body was still in the shape of how he died on the cross. His arms were forcibly moved down when was taken off the cross and secured by strips of cloth.
there are several stages of rigor mortis, which begin within 2 hours of death (or immediately if body is exhausted) and peak at about 12 hours
Great video, thank you. Have you considered the black nobility. These are Italian = link to the romans, families that deffo goes back to the time of Jesus and who still rule the whole planet. my view is that because of them there is a very strong link to prove authenticity. They, the families of the black nobility, would have known the truth of Jesus as historical figure and they would have preserved it.
Preserved the shroud.
Black nobility or Ebreyo? Black kings or Jews. Ebreyo is Italian for Jew.
Some believe more in a cloth then who was SUPPOSED to have been wrapped in it. I think him NOT being in it anymore matters more then the burial cloth wouldn't you say.... behold i am he who WAS dead and am alive and lives forevermore. I believe Yeshua said in revelation.... if some ain't careful they are gonna hear him say depart from me i never knew you....
The images on the Shroud are not a matter of "belief" They have been proved by scientific investigation not to be the work of an artist. Your "be careful' innuendo applies more to yourself than to anyone else.
Can i take the powerpoint
Pantokrator same Image in Hagia Sophia Istanbul year 632 Justinian 1st.
❤Beam me up, Lordy. 🙏
❤ The Shroud of Jesus Christ is The Sign of Jonah, and It Proves the Resurrection and the Gospel are true. Sadly, atheists and religious bible thumpers cannot simply Do God's Will and Read the Gospel of Jesus Christ John 3:16 and BELIEVE It and Be Saved! They also cannot simply Look at the Shroud Image of Jesus Christ and See their Savior, Believe in Him and Be Saved.
Why, because Jesus said, I come to give sight to the Blind and to Blind those who say we See! Their PRIDE Blinds them to the Truth by God, and they are Deceived by the devil.
These prideful know-it-alls don't have the Child like Faith to simply Believe and See and be Saved. No, they think they need to and can figure them out so they can explain them, and impress us with their worthless 2 cent opinions!
❤The Religious PTB and 😈Satan know the best way to keep the proof of the resurrection and the Gospel shrouded, hidden and a secret, is to call the Shroud of Jesus Christ what it is not, the Shroud of Turin.
Probably the biggest mistake of this video is the idea that the Shroud entered Constantinople in the sixth century. Shroud scholars Wilson, Gucsin, Marinelli, Antonacci, Rucker, and many others have concluded that the Turin Shroud was the Image of Edessa,. That relic was expropriated to Constantinople in 944 A.D.
The makers of the video need to provide a reference for their assertion that the Byzantine Emperor seized the Shroud from the village of Camuliana in 574 A.D.
In summary, the fact that, between 574 and 585, certain select high-ranking church leaders were permitted to privately view the full-length acheiropoietos image of the Turin Shroud is corroborated by the Church of Constantinople having sanctioned the establishment of the cult of relics and the creation of crucifixes and crucifixion scenes, by the Church of Spain, with the assistance of Bishop Leander, having later revised a liturgy to reference the recent imprints of a dead and risen Jesus appearing on his burial cloths, and by Pope Gregory the Great having later commissioned the creation of an artistic acheiropoietos full-length image of Jesus (the Acheropita of the Sancta Sanctorum).
Chapter 18 of Jack Markwardt’s book "Hidden History" of the Shroud is devoted to the details of this argument.
Markwardt states, "By 574 the Shroud of Turin had been installed in the imperial relic collection of Constantinople. . . " (BSTS Summer 2023, pg. 17)
However, Bishop writes, ". . .all the of important relics in Constantinople had their own feast day. The Mandylion's being August 16th. However the burial shroud which is also mentioned had no feast day, neither does any record exist of its appearance in the city. Surely a relic of such importance as our Lord's burial shroud would have had a special place and a special day." (Pgs. 22-23 BSTS Shroud Newsletter, Winter, 2023.)
The duality between the Shroud and the Mandylion in Constantinople is similar to the duality between the Veronica and the Shroud in Rome. The ultimate basis for both the Mandylion and the Veronica is the Shroud. @@verimythpictures9755
@@jeffreyerwin3665 I don't see how that necessarily contradicts Markwardt’s argument. My point is that there was confusion among certain people about what cloths were hidden in the palace. The names of the two linens were clearly used interchangeably, because the Mandylion was face-only and the Shroud was full-body but folded as face-only. It's quite understandable why there would be confusion about names. So it can be hard to tell what these ancient writers are referring to unless there is reason to believe they had a full-body image, as Markwardt argues.
I don’t believe that the shroud of Turin was used on an ancient altar because there would obviously have wine stains on it! I have washed altar cloths an wine stains were there.
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Was it ever washed?
Does anyone here knows that there is a face of the Virgin Mary at the back of the shroud? Those who are interested to know, I will send it through email. I can't pose picture here.
There is not an image of Mary anywhere on the Shroud.
@@verimythpictures9755 if you are not Catholic, this maybe not interesting to you. In our Catholic Tradition, After His Resurrection, Jesus Appeared First to His Mother Mary, Say the Saints.
Partly confused. The wounds were fresh, yet he was in rigor mortis. Can you help clarify this detail? Thank you!
body exhausted at a cellular level goes into RG almost immediately...
postmortem hemorrhage mimics true injuries occurring antemortem...open antemortem wounds can continue to ooze blood after RG
@@fiditenemini2452 Thank you for taking the time to clarify! I didn't realize one can bleed after rigor mortis. Now it makes more sense.
I believe that the shroud is a legitimate example of a crucified man. How is this proof that this is the burial shroud of Jesus?
Well, the Shroud of Turin has been studied *tens of thousands of hours* by many dozens of scientists and doctors they have proven *100%* that it contained the body of a beaten, scourged, crucified man that was wearing a crown of thorns while on the cross and that it dates back to Biblical times. They cannot say 100% that it wrapped the body of Jesus Christ but no one with at least average intelligence is going to think that it contained anyone other than him.
This is a very interesting video. It has much that is commendable. I think the Shroud is the actual burial cloth of Jesus. But I disagree with your interpretation of 1 Cor 11:14. This was writren by men in Corinth who were arguing that women should wear veils while prophesying in the church. Pagan women would let their hair go wild as they prophesied in their temples, and pagan men wore veils, so the men in Corinth thought the churches should do the opposite. The social custom (nature) was that women had longer hair than men. Yes, it doesn’t mean men had short hair as we define it today. Paul’s reply was that we have no such customs of wearing veils in our churches.
Also your comment about environmentalists possibly destroying the Shroud was totally inappropriate. Many Christians are environmentalists because the Bible tells us we are to care for the creation.
Could the Shroud of Turin actually be the Holy Grail?
The Cup of the Last Supper is called the Valencia Cup and is in the city of that name. It is a fiery red agate stone cup.
The legends of the holy grail might be the result of mis-translations of ancient texts about the Image of Edessa. That relic was sometimes described as in a "grille," meaning the lattice work that held the cloth in its frame. The term Britton referred to the castle of Edessa where the relic may have resided in its early years. Later readers mistook that term to mean "Brittain," and there you could have the source of the Holy Grail legends in England.
So today I'm mostly binge watching Shroud videos and trying not to comment but it's just occurred to me with regard to the sceptics...they are responding to the enhanced image. If it was a fake dreamed up as a money-making scheme.... the actual object is not very convincing is it? It's a long cloth with some vague markings...a decent conman would try a bit harder, no?
You're not wrong! Researchers do think the image used to be a little sharper, but not like an artwork. Skeptics tend to overlook what it would take for a medieval artist to create the Shroud. Today's scientists cannot explain how it was made. And as you point out, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that an artist would have wanted to make. 🙂
@@verimythpictures9755 I suppose the counter-argument is..."but paint". But the paint fell off and left...what exactly? X
Another question is "Why would any forger of Jesus' burial shroud go to all of the trouble of putting an image on it?" The Gospels do not make any mention of such an image.