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Hidden History of the Shroud of Turin | feat. Jack Markwardt
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- čas přidán 16. 01. 2024
- If the Shroud is actually Jesus’ burial cloth, its journey from Jerusalem to Lirey, France is a nearly fourteen century mystery, riddled with numerous questions (and no shortage of controversy!) Jack Markwardt has meticulously researched a substantial amount of primary sources over nearly forty years-join in as he shares some of his findings with us!
LINKS/RESOURCES:
- Jack’s fascinating book “The Hidden History of The Shroud of Turin”: a.co/d/hMXYHuF
- Jack’s personal reflection at Shroud.com: www.shroud.com/pdfs/Markwardt...
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End Credit Music: "Pages Turn" from the Drift album by Kuyani (Music Publisher: Artlist Original Music; Composed & Arranged by Garrett Bevins)
Excellent,we need a periodic update. I’m a believer in the authenticity,a student since 1978
Great show! And found Mike's comments at the very end to be very insightful.
Type Moses online and discover that there is no evidence for Exodus and Moses. Christians have no need for facts, they have faith...........
That was brilliant! The knowledge of this man is tremendous. The way he explained his case is totally great. Please bring him on with more of this. This was fantastic. Thank you.
Oh, Jack will be back!
very interesting and well researched. Thank you
Great show, very interesting as always Mike, thankyou.
My pleasure! Please feel free to share!
Mike, I sincerely appreciate your concluding reflections. In the end, it's not about winning a debate, but rather, 'what type of response does God want us to have regarding the Shroud?' Indifference? I don't think so. A greater love of God and our neighbor,? Certainly. Mike, there are hundreds of books on the Shroud and we've pretty much covered the science. But no one, has done a thorough job of sharing the stories of "conversions" that have touched people's lives as a result of the Shroud. I suggest that you could blaze a new trail by having some future programs with these persons. I know of. a few.
That sounds great, Jim! I’m actually in the process of considering future shows. Feel free to DM me through my website, thegraciousguest.org.
The shroud was known to them as sacred and to be preserve for the future generation
face symetry of Shroud of Turin matches divine mercy picture
Fascinating research
Great interview! I have the book - it's hard to put down. Good going Mike, thank you!
My pleasure! Jack will be back for sure..
@@TheGraciousGuest awesome! I leaned heavily on his book for the Shroud History paper I wrote for the Post-graduate Certificate in Shroud Studies course I am taking.
No critical thinking skills, eh?
What is he talking about, the gospels don’t mention the shroud on Easter Sunday? “He saw and believed.” John and Peter saw it in the tomb. How is this not challenged?
Agree, John 20 speaks directly to the head napkin and burial clothes behind deposited in separate places.
@@davida.heffley4474Interesting thing about that. The head wrap was, allegedly, found folded, which in Jewish tradition, tells servants of a feast not to clear the place because that person is returning.
At about 8:20 of the program, I state that, while the evangelists described Jesus’ body as having been wrapped in a shroud on Friday, they did not mention a shroud in their narratives of Sunday morning, something which I found to be very odd. This statement is true and accurate. You note that the scriptures recite that the beloved disciple looked into the tomb and saw and believed, which is correct, but the Gospel of John does not state that the beloved disciple saw the shroud and believed. That is a merely a conclusion which you draw from the scripture, and one with which I happen to agree. You also note that the scriptures recite that the beloved disciple and Peter saw the shroud in the tomb, but the Gospels of John and Luke state only that they observed strips of linen, and the Gospel of John recites that they also saw the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head-the sudarium. Here again, this is merely a conclusion which you draw from the scripture, one with which I also happen to agree.
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Thank you!
Thank YOU!
Mike's comments at the end of this podcast are very well-said and true! The shroud's authenticity reputation needs some " Non-Catholic witnesses. And venerartion of the Shroud is not a Faith-based"Evidence of things not seen "Spiritually Minded" form of true Worship! Without GOD- given Faith, True Christianity is dead matter. We MUST walk by Faith, not by sight. There is no Shroud, or Crucifix or Bible or flesh and blood bodies in the Kingdom of Heaven. In fact there is no record of history in Heaven. Only the Creations/Revelations of Light are real. All else is our egoic nightmares. Time, place, space and mortal physical transitory ephemeral bodies of matter are all illusions. Only the TRUTH is True having no opposite.
Your comments are well said, and true. Thanks
May the Force Be With You.
May the FAITH Be With You.
Wonder if Our Lady may have had it for awhile? It would only be fitting for her to have it.
Wouldn't it be quicker if he did a list of the people who didn't have it. According to this guy I'm thinking the Shroud would be worn out down to a handkerchief.
9:58 My understanding is that Pontius Pilate's wife asked to keep the cloth and did so. (I think that is recorded in Georgian documents.) Royalty kept the shroud over the centuries but not Jewish royalty. Of course whichever person holds the office of the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church is the current legal owner. However, I think every honest person knows whose signature is on that cloth which is a legal document in a jurisdiction far above earthly courtrooms.
So interesting Ron Wyatt claimed that he found blood on the ark of the covenant saying the blood was still alive and that it was Jesus blood was there test done on the shroud in which there is blood samples I think that would be a real test of faith and revailing if blood would match
Yes, the blood on the Shroud has been tested, and it is Type AB human blood.
THE importance of the holy shroud is surely the proof of what our lord Jesus chose to suffer ---- when one drop of HIS BLOOD shed when He was circumcised would have saved the world ------ rather than lifelong anticipation
I ONLY want to understand the Shroud from bible/gospel point of view:
Why there was a need to use something extra to cover the face/head that was already wrapped by a single piece of linen like the Shroud?
How and when the Sudarium was added by Joseph and/or Nicodemus?
How and when the sticky mixture (about 32 kg) of spices (myrrh and aloe) was added by Joseph and Nicodemus? STURP team knew what they had to search for but there was emphasised NOTHING in the fibres. Did the regarding scientists completely fail?
Where the gospels irrefutable give evidence that the body was wrapped by Josef and/or Nicodemus in one piece of linen? There is no idefinite article "a" in the Greek texts?! And does noun as singular (also with article) in Greek always mean ONE PIECE only?
Was Lazarus also wrapped according to the burial custom of Jews like Jesus?
Short, logic and understandable answers are appreciated. Many thanks.
This is self explanatory from Luke and John you need to read all of Luke 24:1 to 12.
Bible. Luke 24:1,12
[1]Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
[12]Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
It doesn’t say winding bandages, it says cloths as in one large (shroud) as we know it, and the one the KJV calls the napkins this passage from John.
Bible. John 20:1-8
[1]The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
[2]Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
[3]Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
[4]So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
[5]And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
[6]Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
[7]And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
[8]Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
This "napkin" is the sudarium head covering cloth.
The bible definitely covers the both cloths.
@@alanmcnaughton3628
Thanks for reply but you only tried to answer my first question. I do not doubt that there was a head cloth and other clothes. But I claim:
1. There is no evidence in the gospels that the whole body including the head was wrapped in one large linen cloth like the Shroud.
2. If it really was the case - an additional head cloth wouldn't have made any sense because the head was already covered by the Shroud.
3. Furher, how it worked with the spices? Explain when, how and where they were added having one large linen cloth and why there is not any trace on the Shroud?
You can answer this writing a detailed "forensic" burial report according to the gospel info. Describe all the actions and the used materials step by step (numbered) from purchasing cloths to laying into the Sepulchre and indicate in brackets the regarding verse numbers where you are referring to. Thanks .
@@wipo3654
The text says what it says, it's not incompatible with the shroud and sudarium, it's totally compatible. Why there was a separate head cloth was not stated, but it contains blood, maybe they wanted to absorb the blood on his head. Who cares? It was done, deal with it.
As for spices, how would the sturp team find those? They were placed on the body. What makes you think that they would be discoverable? They're quite biodegradable.
@@sliglusamelius8578
You didn't get the points. Once again:
(1) What was bought und used by Joseph - only ONE piece of linen?
Where did the bandages and the face cloth come from?
'Sindon' as noun singular means in the context ALL THE FUNERAL ELEMENTS: bandages and the head cloth.
(2) What happened with the spices?
The body, except the head, was bound in linen WITH the spices promply after taking it from the cross. The spices were put between the BANDAGES (Othonion).
(3) How it worked with the head cloth (Soudarion)?
It was also added and it was left on the head until the resurrection.
(4) How the women should have anointed Jesus if he was completely wrapped/bound in something like the Shroud?
To get at least access to the head they would have had to uncover the NAKED body underneath. Impossible for women at that time. The intention of the women only works if the head was covered separately with a head cloth (Soudarion).
And your answers show me that you didn't study all the regarding verses, didn't you? Do please before answering again:
Mt 27,59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped [ENETYLIXEN] it in clean linen cloth [SINDONI, singular]
Mk 15,46 And Joseph bought linen cloth [SINDONA, singular] and taking him down, wrapped [ENEILESEN] him in the linen cloth [SINDONI, singular] and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb.
Mk 16,1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices [AROMATA] so that they might go to anoint [ALEIPSOSIN] Jesus.
Lk 23,53 Then he took it down and wrapped [ENETYLIXEN] it in linen cloth [SINDONI, singular] and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid.
Lk 23,57 Then they went home and prepared spices [AROMATA] and perfumes [MYRA]. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Lk 24,1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices [AROMATA] they had prepared and went to the tomb.
Lk 24,12 But Peter rose and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths [OTHONIA, plural] by themselves; and he went home marveling at what had happened.
Joh 11,44 The man [LAZARUS] who had died came out, his hands and feet bound [DEDEMENOS] with linen strips [KEIRIAIS, plural], and his face wrapped [PERIEDEDETO] with a cloth [SOUDARIO]. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go."
Joh 19,39 Nicodemus also, who earlier had come to Jesus by night, came bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds in weight [about 32 kg].
Joh 19,40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound [EDESAN] it in linen cloths [OTHONIOIS, plural] with [META] the spices [AROMATON; about 32 kg], as is the burial custom of the Jews.
Joh 20,5 And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths [OTHONIA, plural] lying there, but he did not go in.
Joh 20,6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths [OTHONIA, plural] lying there,
Joh 20,7 and the face cloth [SOUDARION], which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths [OTHONION, plural] but folded up in a place by itself.
@@wipo3654
lol you're ridiculous. Writing in those days was tedious. Nobody was recounting forensic details that you are asking about in a gospel intended to give the outline of the basic facts. The basic facts are right there and consistent with the shroud as it exists.
The image is inexplicable. It's a radiation burn effect that cannot be reproduced. All the rest is just confirmatory data. You're pretending that Matthew cared about referring to all the cloths or both cloths every time he mentioned the main cloth. Who cares? Who cares how the women put on the spices? They put on the spices! Maybe they times the cloths to do it, maybe they reached under the cloths, who cares? You're getting bogged down in nonsense.
My issue remains rather simple. Yeshua as an Israelite would not have had long hair with the exception of HIS being under a Nazarite vow. I am unaware of HIS being under a Nazarite vow but am open to the possibility. Blessings.
Many have asserted this but let me pose a question to you. What is short hair and what is long hair? The man from the shroud did not have long UNCUT hair but long cut or shorn hair. It is understood that long uncut hair was considered feminine (outside the Nazarite vow) Short hair is subject… The Bible never mentions specific lengths. Men during Jesus day had approximately length hair for what culturally appropriate for Jewish men of that day. The hair length is a moot issue because the man on the shroud had long CUT hair so it was not considered shameful
Excerpt of an article
Jewish men did not have the same luxuries of modern hair stylists available to provide regular haircuts. While Jewish men did trim their hair, it was not as often as in modern times, meaning a rougher appearance was likely.
The apostle Paul's first letter to the Corinthians offers an insightful commentary into the Jewish attitude of men's hair. It notes, "Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him?" Paul's argument is that men were not to be known for hair that looked like that of women. While this does not indicate the length of Jesus' hair, it does reveal that He likely had hair shorter than Jewish females of the time. Though some exceptions are found in the Bible of men with long hair (such as Samson and John the Baptist), most Jewish men kept shorter hair to distinguish themselves from women as well as for practical purposes.
Taken from Article entitled “How long was Jesus' hair?”
"The kingdom of God is *NOT* coming with things that can be observed" ~ Luke, 17:20. I guess that verse wasn't covered in Bible class?
It is stated in Acts that Peter saw a great big shroud
in a vision
"kill and eat"
In metaphorical terms, and in the context of that story, the vision means that Peter should use the shroud to convert "the unclean" i.e. the non-jews
Blood is a life soul source every one crucified the blood was immediately dug up it is a a bad thing to mix blood of 2 animals or animal and human
Or even mix coitten with linnin. They would not destroy it but hide it good yes! Remember they were in shock put your self in thir shoes
That's a huge mis-statement that the disciples did not see the burial linens.
See John Chapter 20 which states Peter and "the other diciple" entered the tomb and saw the linen clothes. Better to focus on the science of the shroud and not the anecdotal history. 18:14
At about 8:20 of the program, I state that, while the evangelists described Jesus’ body as having been wrapped in a shroud on Friday, they did not mention a shroud in their narratives of Sunday morning, something which I found to be very odd. This is not a “huge misstatement”, but one which is entirely true and accurate. You falsely claim that I stated that the disciples did not see the burial linens, while I stated only that the evangelists did not report that the disciples saw Jesus shroud, and, in fact, they did not. The Gospels of John and Luke state that the beloved disciple and Peter observed strips of linen lying in the tomb, and the Gospel of John recites that they also saw the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head-the sudarium. Thus, it is clear that they saw burial linens, but it is not stated that thy saw the shroud, although I believe that they did so.
I still reckon its made by da vinci amd its his image on the shroud
DaVinci was born 100 years AFTER the Shroud was first publicly displayed Lirey…
Still strange tho that it's the stereotype borgais type image ,when if JC did exist he would have been Ethiopian anyway
@@TheGraciousGuest existence of the shroud before 1390 is murky at best with the scholars still trying to pin point it
Scientists who have examined the Shroud have concluded that the image of a beaten, scourged, and crucified man, was not made by man. It cannot be duplicated, even by today’s technology.
@@JeSTeR-X1o The anthropometrics of the man on the Shroud of Turin match up with a Jewish population that resided in Georgia since the exile around 600BC. The body measurements do not match with Ethiopian anthropometrics.
It aint real kinda funny all the telics started showing up right at the time the carbon dating says...
Not sure what you mean here. But the fact is that relics routinely serving as instruments of God’s grace goes back to Old Testament times (ex. A dead man was resurrected during his burial just by being accidentally brought into contact with the bones of Elisha the prophet in 2 Kings 12). He employs them frequently in the New Testament as well (ex. Acts 19:11-12 - Paul’s handkerchiefs and aprons were imbued with healing power), and there are countless examples since the time of Christ in the life of his Church of relics figuring prominently in God’s miraculous ongoing work.
The image on the shroud looks suspiciously like Frank Zappa!
Did Frank Zappa get hit with 1 trillion watts of electricity? They have been trying to replicate it and haven't been able even with today's technology. There is a 1 million dollar payout for anyone that can. There is another separate cloth with 120 points of congruence. Proving it came off of the same person. The most studied artifact in human history because scientists love to waste their time.
le updooted kind sir 🙄
Doesn't look like the face of a 33 year old, looks more 50-60
Hard to tell. I think you have to factor in all of the trauma, plus perhaps lower life expectancy as well. Much harsher kind of life, I’d bet.
@@TheGraciousGuest We have plenty living a tough existence these days and many at 33 may look early 40s but not that old
Our Lord Jesus Christ is Pure, Sinless, & the "Word of God". Whatever the Jewish traditions applied to regular Jews, these don't apply to Our Lord Jesus Christ.
In true retrospect, the Shroud of Turin is just another crucifix-- a physical object , that is a Catholic relic, an idol. It is "authentic" but so is my 400th anniversary copy of the AKJV/T Bible but without Faith it profiteth nothing. Faith knoweth That Our Redeemer liveth. Nothing else really matters, Now, does it?
Eeeeesh
To compare the shroud to a crucifix is a very short sited statement indicating a true misunderstanding of its significance. As God preserved the word he also has preserved the shroud against all odds including nearly being burned up in a fire. The blood on the Shroud was actually spilled for you and me. Think about that fact. And bow before Jesus immense gratitude.
wayne summer
Your comment is nonsensical. The shroud is not a relic. If the shroud is real it is much more important than your 400 year old Bible, as much as you may treasure it. If the shroud is real it is conclusive proof that Jesus is God. Your Bible doesn’t rise to that level.