I spectated a Pharah who blamed the game's balance
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The only reason they could make plays is that the enemy team didn't shoot at them most of the time
Exactly, they think they deserve Plat but they're playing in a way where they know the enemy does not have the skill to reliably shoot you. This person 100% would not survive Plat 5.
This looks alot like console, so it would make sense that they don't even try to aim at the pharah 😂
@@koto2211Bro would not survive gold 3 where some people are capable of looking up. I would know, im gold dps :P despite being Masters tank.
Honestly with how they play pharah they might as well learn junkrat
This is what we call a “lead shoes Pharah”
Ground pharah is way funnier imo it's like calling a ground Lucio floorcio
floora
@@ZaWrldo I wasn’t saying one was funnier than the other 🤷🏻♀️
I think currently, this Pharah is exactly where they belong. If they manage to improve and work on fixing the mistakes they're making, they might be able to get somewhere. They're just not Plat ready yet from what I can tell.
Also the Bridge claims more souls - it will always claim souls.
That was 100% an ego vod, and their ego vod play was still silver AF. They have some ok mechanics on Pharah when they can manage to stay in the air, but the decision making and team awareness was a treat to watch.
They don't have any mechanics on Pharah. They managed to successfully conc themselves out of harms way like what, once or twice? They were utterly incapable of managing their fuel flight, they didn't do any dive assassination attempts whatsoever (which I then presume they simply can't mechanically execute.. Pharah movement 101), and they didn't use conc offensively to force an enemy out of position or off the map.
They have the bare minimum of Pharah mechanics for Silver, let alone in general.
It may be harsh, but this is just what it is.
Emongg viewers anytime someone submits a DPS vod: "it's an ego vod"
This didn't look like an ego vod at all, it looked like below average silver gameplay
What was the ego part? The 1 good ult? That's it? I'm honestly confused
@@PabloGutierrez-zo9xuthese are youtube comments bro, they comment the same random stuff on all videos
Ego vod = they thought they popped off in the vod. Felt like a bronze ego vod.
"I barely played better then my fellow silver players, clearly i deserve plat"
Bro you struggling to carry a silver game means you are silver
They didn't even play "barely better". Half the team fights THEY were the one making it a 4v5 in the enemy favor. They were not timing their engages, zoning areas, pressuring the right targets. Their biggest contribution was killing turrets and hitting generic spam damage - which will get you pretty far in silver but not far enough to rank up anytime soon.
Agreed. Back when I was climbing through plat the game fucked up and put me in a silver 1 game on havana.
We steamrolled through with 3 mins left and then I went widow and killed the supports out of spawn to the point they left. I felt bad but comp is comp, I can't control the atrocious matchmaking
@@Real_MisterSirdon't forget they literally ran away from both megas and minis that were safely accessible
I’ll be honest dying to the Moira orb is something I’d do too because it looks like they were trying to get to Soldiers heal pad and I also immediately thought “oh get to the heal pad!”
Thank you for seeing tht bc that was me
How does someone say dps is meaningless when the job of a tank is just try not to die or get cced into overwatch 3
Because Support dicates everything about the game right now, and trying to have impact by fighting supports usually just leads to a dps getting rolled, whereas fighting on the frontline often just feels like a stalemate until someone randomly dies or gets unlucky.
@@kommandantkillcodeThat's not the point, you just can't say that DPS is useless when the majority of the tank roster is gatekept by ONE DPS character.
Yes, supports are overpowered, but DPS copium is arguably stronger rn
@@kallmeej9106 ONE/TWO DPS BEING EXTREMELY STRONG IS NOT THE SAME AS A MAJORITY OF THE CHARACTERS IN A ROLE BEING EXTREMELY STRONG.
Those DPS characters need obvious nerfs, but so do supports, and the majority of them need harder nerfs than the DPS. Support sustain is too strong for how easy it is, and the best ones damage numbers are too high for how strong their sustain is, so those supports [Bap, Illari, Kiriko, Ana (although to a lesser extent just because full anti is very strong), and even Moira and Brig depending on the situation] can handily out-sustain a DPS heroes damage while doing comparable damage themselves. If most of that sustain was just for supports only, then it wouldn’t be so bad, but the sustain and healing for allies is too high for supports to be that hard to kill. Lifeweaver’s sustain for his allies is insane, his escapes are great, and his damage is usable in a pinch. All of that would be fine if his Tree and Platform didn’t have high HP, especially his tree since it now gives overhealth. Mercy, Zen, and Lucio are the only well-balanced supports right now because they are strong in the right comps, but not oppressive to the point where they can’t be countered by solo-attacks from enemies.
@@kallmeej9106 Also, Support is my highest role, and it wasn’t until Season 6 that my DPS took a significant dip in rank going from Plat 3 to Silver 1. My Support has consistently stayed Diamond 2 since season 2. I know how to play Support, and that is why I am complaining because the other roles can’t have considerable impact without running either cheese that everyone hates, or having OWL levels of cooperation.
@@kallmeej9106 I'm going to suggest a concept. Both roles can be poo. Crazy, I know. But mull it over.
plat is not a high bar, but boy did this fall below it. Only reason this Pharah got value was because the enemy team was clueless. Enemy Soldier 76 was ulting and let Pharah slowly take him out from behind instead of turning around or looking up.
Classic "I got some elims on low silver players, I'm a god" complex while he's peeking at ONE hp despite having the spawn room right next to him
As a Pharah who kills turrets, you’re welcome.
This is the problem I’m having with my dps and my supports… either tunnel Vision healing so much I don’t get healed, or my dps is sitting around while me and the tank are getting rolled. I generally play all roles
This is what happens when bad players just parrot what they hear from content creators to justify to themselves why they’re bad
This
As a silver pharah they belong with me
Recently rediscovered your channel and you’ve got me interested in OW again. Keep up the great content man!
The fucking shade Emong throws 😂 every time Widow appears
As someone who sucks at balancing my fuel on Pharah, I am pretty much the same. Can someone give me some tips how I can balance my fuel usage better?
Tap instead of hold if you want to stay at a certain elevation. Use self hurt m1 to launch yourself up then shift to get slightly higher. Boom is better saved as a utility instead. Being "Ground pharah" isnt bad, but only when you're recharging fuel , look for high grounds for you to land on as they're safe for you to land and usually closer to you.
Example being Gibraltar 1st and 2nd point. 1st point you can absolutely sit on bridge then retreat to top of boxes, and later the top of the point end. 2nd point the entire ship works as a landing pad for you. But you're also vulnerable to being sniped by widow here since there's very few walls to hide. 3rd point also the same in gibraltar, land on high grounds instead.
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Thanks for the tips, it's really helpful! Much appreciated! I strive to get better, and this surely helps ^^
The only thing stronger than suplorts rn is whatever copium DPS players are on
Ground Pharah, destroyer of turrets and pylons
This explains my frustration with DPS players perfectly
They complain about the state of the DPS role but then will not put the second thought into who they pick. Your team is a bad comp for Pharah, and the enemy is a bad comp for pharah…picks pharah
Or the flip side of that whenever I play against a pharah my dps just wants to play Genji and Junkrat
But "counter swaps are too OP"
@@jayreese8522 I’m not even talking about counters, there are characters that force a swap. Either for your team or the opponents.
And Pharah is definitely one of them. Moira, Brigg, Lucio, Bap and Ana are going to have a hard time healing her. And Genji, Hanzo, junkrat, Sym, Tracer, Torb, sombra, Mei, and Reaper are going to have a hard time hitting her. (granted I play controller so maybe some of these are easier on M&K)
Sombra’s kind of the same, she works great against a poke comp, but if they’re a dive comp then DPS will be better off playing characters who stick close to their support.
Direct 1 to 1 counters suck, but team comps are always going to be a part of this game. There will always be characters who work best with and against certain playstyles.
12:52 Orisa became a beyblade for a second.
I just noticed - whats wrong with Pharah's reload animation?! It is very noticeable that hand and the magazine door are unsynched.
Small indie company i guess
give the devs a break !they're working on hard the very big pve m.....
@@idk-dg1to why do you hurt me like this?
For all players masters and below this should be like looking in a mirror "support is so broken wahhh wahhh" meanwhile your performance was the real issue
Support is broken and that’s why streamers are calling it out, also why they are getting nerfed. I’m a masters solo player all ranks btw. If I lose it’s on me, not my team or what’s meta. Supports are the strongest role right now. I don’t main any role and constantly switch because that’s how I have fun, so I have experience on this. I see what you’re trying to say, but you’re going all wrong about it. Watch a video of awkward & maybe you’ll learn to word your advice better.
@@kagamiuchiha5837 all Im saying is people who bitch they're loosing because of support are incorrect. Which you seem to agree with captain. Never said they didn't need a nerf. It's not really advice, it's an expression of annoyance
Alright so!
Wait… where was it….
Still a swell treat for a Sunday morning
Translation: buddy, you're most definitely a silver Pharah. It aint the game's balance holding you back
The funniest part about the Moira orb part is he had a mega very close to the left and medium range to the right, lol.
I went for the soldier pad tht was closer
i do agree that DPS right now is hard to get value from but if thats as pharah in silver thats just a skill issue
To be fair, I love to play ground pharah in metal rank because that's one way to get better heal lol.
You should only play Pharah if their comp is especially weak to it (they have double healbot supports, genji/sym dps etc). If you want to play her in general you need to specialize in all her tech, which isn't worth the effort. Put that effort into aim training which can be transferred to half the roster and carry you to plat overnight.
5:45 we've all been there lol
there was no 📣SO
Watching this now as a pharah main when she actually is now more of a ground pharah lol. but I still get about 70% air time
That sucks about resources, I use to use the roofed to recharge my Pharah boosters. I don’t know when they changed it.
lets the cooldown on boost count down, still useful
I’d love a collar of flats and emongg spectating the same guy in the same game. Just to see the balance of Flats bullying and emongg trying to help. I also just love those 2 together
1hp. 1 fucking hp. Not even I would try to peek, and I'm too cowardly to actually play!
emmong should start a series of ego vods not becuase of this vod but just in general so they wouldnt get mixed up
It's ow1 phara skin Halloween.
8:50 I can't believe I got Coconut Malled.
Silver Ego VOD Lmao
Givegoonlove as a username is crazy 😂😂
They play ground pharah, don't know the concussive blast movement tech, don't manage fuel well and don't get health packs 😂 peak silver ego vod. Theres a moment near the end that represents this vod perfectly, the enemy Soldier uses visor and then doesnt even look at this pharah player until the end. Plat hitscan will cook this pharah
TY to u bro i got this same skin lol
When you think yzn is someone to admire...
Gameplay isn't too bad but decision making is nowhere near worthy of plat
what’s wrong with yazan
floorah
I’m impressed that this is not bronze.
Seeing the pharah being blasted while preforming team kills and crippling the enemy in similar ways makes me question the rank of the editor.
i luv playing pharah but she does not work well with a lot of comps
most skilled pharah player:
truthfully. Since they added so many more heroes that can shot you out of the sky. Ground Pharah starts becoming more prefered. At least you can get a shield to cover you when a ana, can't heal you, or a mercy.
late to this vid and only halfway in and its annoying me that they are playing so scared and far back they would get sooo much more value flanking or being at mid range at least tho taking down all the turrets and pylons is a good thing (oh to add i feel like they seem to waste the boost instead of save it so should prob save that ability especially now)
This was painful to watch. the Floorah, the terrible engagements, the poor accuracy.
Alright SO!
Dude always goes straight into the front of their team as pharah and doesn't have a support who can heal very well, be more sneaky around the back! Especially on this map, there's a million different ways to go and places to hide for every engagement as pharah.
If this was plat, that torb wouldve been an ashe, sojurn, cass, etc. And the team wouldve destroyed the pharah
GIGACHAD true
I pick Ana to heal Pharah when Mercy isn't optimal due to the presence of a Zen or Lucio. Pharah is trivial to hit as Ana. Though it looks to me like the entire team ignored this Pharah until they got a Mercy. Not that the extra support would have helped much, and maybe I'm expecting too much from silvers, but they should at least look at the Pharah every now and then.
Honestly, the amount of times a Phara in my teams just flies with half HP without pressing X once while above MY HEAD is insane. I don't have eyes there, tell me you need heal, there is a whole ass teamfight infront of me with the tank going in and I'm the only main heal, I don't have the time to look up. (Speaking of Plat games as an Ana)
It's silver, you can't expect anything out of the Ana
They can also ask for heals at any point. It's a process to learn if you're one of those players who rarely presses that button but if you press it and still get ignored then it's a support problem.
@@azseal2669 It's less so instantly a support problem and is a problem if they don't heal you at all, since there are times when a dps that is in a safe cover behind me is spamming X while our whole team is having a fight and I can't look away because if I miss one heal one of them dies. But I do agree that if they don't heal you multiple times then it's on the horrible support.
I mean they shouldn't have pushed to stay as pharah. I am also Silver Pharah but everytime I get a Lucio or Moira on my team and no merxy. I ask if anyone would consider swapping for Pharmercy, if not I just swap. Its not worth it.. This Pharah should learn how to play some other easy characters
Everyone says theyr role is cosmetic, just because currently game is pretty balanced, and the limit how much you can carry is lower.
Heh people was talking about ranks, used to be high master, had LOOOONG break, dropped to silver, i was not surprised, my aim was there but my game reading was not, i remember a silver game, i was Ana, rein pinned me, my tank said sorry, told him its on me, i could been like 352 different lcoations so rein could not touch me. what im saying for sure i deserved the silver.
As a Pharah main this hurts to watch
yea this member needs some coaching if they wanna join the ranks
Ong bro he hardly used the boop blast 😭
(Coming from a silver) i think that guy would like junkrat is so do speak pharah but without wings😂
I honestly think if they play like this on an average game, and improve at a normal rate, they’ll probably hit plat
Guy’s playing doom
im not silver, shoots back off rocket for nothing, short moment after tries to use it for movement xD
So in other news, this player just needs to grind Pharah more lol. Why even go Widow when they can't hit more than 1/20 shots, and that 1 shot is like a feet shot.
Its not the role nor the hero holding this player back.
It's target priority, ability mismanagement, lack of any semblance of fine mechanics, and a tunnel vision on what play they wanna make vs what play is available to make.
Just.. don't play Widow for the love of all that is holy.
Missed so many opportune boop moments.. as a former Pharah main, that was frustrating to watch.
I wanna see a full game of bronze players playing a live bronze game who all think they belong at higher ranks. And just watch their play live where they can’t pick and chose their vods
And one of them actually proving they belong in silver. That would be a certified classic.
I think jay3 has done something similar to that
it always cracks me up when people say dps are useless, like no, bad dps are useless, so if thats what you think, im sorry but i may have something to tell you...
every time i play against a pharah im going to ruin their day, not even sombra is that annoying
This is me but against mercys
good pharahs r so rare lmfao this reeks of skill issue
Well yeah this phara belongs in silver, i dont even think gold. Silver should be fine for her
If you are hardstuck on any rank especially since ow1 it’s your own fault. I’ve been hardstuck on every tank I’ve recently made it into masters and there’s times where your team it’s at fault but not every game
Yup, that def looks like some silver pharah if I've ever seen it, bare minimum mechanics, can't stay in air long enough to make plays as Pharah. Not to mention terrible game sense and awareness anytime someone says they deserve more than a few ranks above you know they're going to be ass or just bad in general. This lived up to that statement, it's when people say they deserve maybe a rank or two higher or don't say they deserve a higher rank but don't know whay they're stuck in their rank. That's when you know someone just needs a few minor adjustments and they would rank up so fast and they're actually not as bad as they think they are. I mean how do you not make hardly ANY plays when the only thing that is consistently shooting you or even at you is a torb turret is beyond me, especially when someone says they deserve higher. As Metro would say " it's not your team, you suck, get better" 🤣
i really dislike dps like this
the not getting health packs blaming the team and saying they deserve higher ranks cause they got some kills by pressing the ult button
5:00 this is actually genius she put that mine in front of her face so that if someone were to headshot her, they will shoot the mine first
its not genius, he just watched a bit too much kenzo and thinks this actually matters in silver. Hes a hardstuck silver, he does not need to play this sweaty ffs
@@cooltwittertag its not like albert Einstein genius but its like alex jones kind of genius lol.
Ive climbed my dps from gold 3 to diamond 1 since I gave up on tank and only play dps now. Play primarily pharah with some sym and mei and can say this guy is just bad. Had 1 good ult, rest were terrible
There is a reason why they submitted this to emongg and not flats (emongg is way nicer)
It's not the balance, it's matchmaking + people being stupid.
Nobody pays attention to the overall game, they just want to play their preferred heroes. You might be putting out a lot of damage and elims, but if they're not moving the game in your favor then you're just wasting time and keeping your team split.
I've had a few games this last week with teams that actually worked together and you couldn't blame any one individual for the wins.
If you think everyone else is the problem, then you're the problem. Learn to counter what NEEDS to be countered, to help others on your team do what they gotta do. Hell, as sombra you can move the game for your team without firing a bullet in a lot of contexts, especially if people are watching your hacks/you're hacking the right people.
I think they play phara cuz they can’t aim Ik u don’t mention aiming because it’s something u develop but if they played since overwatch one and still have that aim it’s sad imo
im in silver FIVE and i play better than this on pharah... like yeah i think i should be low to mid gold on dps, but this guy saying he should be even higher than that when he plays WORSE than someone in a LOWER rank than him??? hell nah bro.
Is be blocking 30k plua damage as for my supports and dps and dps is STILL no able to get a single pick.
If they get at least one kill. Then id be abke to push in. But noooo they all want to struggle at choke instead.
And recenlty there have been alot of bastion players trying to 1v5 in order to get a lucky kill. Like dps just sont know how to dps
the best advice anyone can give you is stop blaming your teammates and focus on your mistakes. because you are making mistakes that cause you to lose games. whether you're ready to work on your mistakes is up to you.
everyone knows pharah can fly forever, so there is ZERO excuse to ever touching the ground.
depends on your playstyle, there are t500 pharahs that spend all their time in the air, but also t500 pharahs who play a more opportunistic style where you really don't fly a huge amount until you want to pounce on someone with conc blast. Also, spending all your time in the skybox is BORING af.
i mean at lower ranks i would say dps doesnt really have much impact on the game since many strong dps like hanzo sojourn and widow need aim which they mostly dont have
Bit twitchy aimboty sometimes.
People call me a smurf in silver 5 because I have over 40 kills most games. I'm not smurfing, I'm getting these teammates, this guy can not seriously think he deserves plat if he can't even properly stay in the air with phara, he doesn't even seem to know she has a boop. Last game I played as a tank I had more dmg and kills than my two dps combined, and when I play dps (or even a high dps healer like Bap or Illari) I almost always do at least 1.5 times the damage they get when I play assasins and they play constant dmg dealers. The dps role is not the problem, is the fact that most of the shit players play that role for whatever reason and it's infuriating
I started w 36% airtime to 89%. This vid was when I first started using Phara
I'd say high silver or low gold
Definitely not plat
They're just where they belong. If they can't climb out of low Silver with Pharah, then they're a low Silver Pharah.
@@Real_MisterSirok cool, I'm just saying I've had gold players in my plat/diamond games and they were worse than this guy 😂
@@account-pb2dfI’m sure the plat/diamond players were actually shooting at the phara. In a somewhat even game, it should be almost impossible for a mercy less phara to survive
@@godofnothing428they weren't phara, they were just gold
The damage role unironically does the least damage. No mercy or no ult combos you’re just spamming til you get a kill but mostly take cover since healers do more damage than you. Blizzard was afraid of making them heal bots and it can make healers more selfish, causing them throw (every Moira player). Also this isn’t really towards higher ranks since they actually play to win.
As a plat player, he does not fit the rank. His main problem is lack o awareness. He doesn't pay attention to the situation (when he should attack or retreat), what the enemy is playing and how to counter, doesn't understand how phara works and how it needs to be played, general aim needs working but ain't the worst and doesn't understand how to play with the team. I say he should be at least silver, unless he improves those things
To be fair..... DPS is a cosmetic role.
first
I'm halfway thru the vid and this man has received zero heals... I understand he needs to adjust but this shit also proves his point. Zero heals with his stats is ok if u ask me. Not to say he doesn't do trash shit at times but also to say zero heals 😂😊
definetly can do with better aim but i play ashe so maybe my standards are too high
Because of questionable decisions at the core of this game’s balance, dps is a fundamentally pointless role. The only reason you run them is because you have to. Their job is either matched or outdone by nearly every tank and support, because the balance team has never once understood that that is a bad thing.
DPS is not pointless, it's just less meaningful on average than support. But in a game like this, it's not role that's holding anyone back, it's basic game knowledge and hero skill. In silver and bronze, role really means very little, individual heroes are what give passive bonuses (like deployables, ez hit weapons/heals, etc).
Tell it to the Genji player that wrecks the backline while keeping good LOS with an Ana and knows not to stay behind a shield of an enemy or behind walls from their supports too long. It's not that DPS doesn't have an impact... DPS needs to stop being babies that wait to be babysitted by supports, expecting a Mercy pocket sitting on their ass 24/7 while they don't pay attention to their backline or the LOS.
@satamiko I don't think your uber specific example validates your argument as much as you think lmao.
@@Schmoogis How was that uber specific? It was AN example. If dps don't los supports (speaking from both points, I play all roles), dps do a lot. And can, OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE IT, have fun.
@@SchmoogisI mean he has a point. A DPS that knows what they're doing and plays with their team will do better than a DPS that's not. It's not a meaningless role unless... Well, YOU'RE SHIT AT IT.
Bro is top 500 begging for people to break pylons and turrets, if they don't do it in top 500 how am I supposed to survive as rein, it takes 2 fire strikes (1 if mercy power boosted) to just break a pylon
Phara is ez to play bro
Fr if he didnt play phara, he probably would be bronze
Not to mention Pharah can dominate lower ranks cause they can't aim
Exactly
Emong: "Only play pharah with a mercy, if not, always stand on top of a health pack"
My guy, ground pharah has its place (sometimes). You're honestly kind of annoying the way you kept calling him ground pharah. It's partly true but you didn't have to be so condescending about it
Kekw ground pharah kinda kringe
Lowkey didn’t get healed enough
If you need a Mercy to even get baseline value as pharah, you're not a pharah player you're just someone that plays pharah. You're trash
This is silver supports can’t aim for shit Ana wouldn’t be able to hit if they tried
Im the dude in the video, I stayed Phara to see how much I would have to do w/o a Mercy bc I dont want yo ask a support to pick a character they dont wanna be. The Widow part yea…. I dont play hit scans bc of tht. This was also when I first started on Phara I have improved since and switched to Echo to be more on the field. There was a time or two I couldve went for a pack but tht map doesnt have much cover for a Phara to take. Most packs were also close to the enemy which means I was a 50/50 chance of getting it or not
Ive also learned more healthpack spots during my Phara journey. Ground Phara was to get heal from Lucio since ik Ana would have to go out her way to look at me
That was a boring match, ngl. I'd rather watch a long team fight kinda game, not this ego vod of pharah killing turrets
Bro plays pharah. Cheap trash belongs in silver lmao
Is this console? Also people are so overly mean in the comments jeez
thats just the ow community unfortunately. ppl will do anything to feel good about their own gameplay
People mean cus intro starts with player trying to blame role (or hinting at it). If they were a bit introspective and honest about themselves, they wouldn't get flak like this
I just dont get why he has to be that negative and mean to these players…just give them advices in a normal way and dont complain about every fault they are making, they are here to learn
It’s just emongg’s way of doing things and everyone who submits knows what they are getting into
if you think he's being negative, I would encourage you to watch other ow content creators who spectate lower rank vods. emongg is not negative lol
secondly, this is NOT coaching. this is entertainment with a side of education. it's an important distinction to keep in mind.
however, he is more upfront and direct with the people who don't take responsibility for their gameplay, like the people who blame their teammates or blame balance issues. if you blame your team, emongg is going to politely put you in your place. because the people who submit vods and blame their teammates or whatever AREN'T there to learn. they want to be validated and reassured. they want mr. streamer to say "it's not your fault, your teammates aren't good enough for you, you deserve a much higher rank." emongg isn't going to stroke their egos. he will tell them "no, here is a list of the things you need to improve on"
I hate incels telling streamers it's their birthday. It screams " notice me streamer, validate my existence"
it's very obvious you don't actually know what an incel is or how to appropriately use the term.