Did Steelseries KILL Wooting Keyboards?
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Taking a look at the updated steelseries apex pro with rapid trigger, and a quick comparison with the wooting60he. Without a doubt these are the 2 best keyboards you can buy, wooting will stay my main
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its crazy how they've had the technology since 2019 yet they're just implementing rapid trigger now
Its crazy how long it took them to copy it really, they mustve finally lost market/pro player share
But then again rapid trigger are getting popular now, the drunkdeer A75 and the next Akko mod007 are hall effect with cheaper and much much less bloat than 2GB Razer software.
@@boardzy what's crazy is this video
@@yoblazesI wouldn't say it's crazy I'd say it's (shocking)
@@boardzythey tried 😂
Never thought id like a 60% keyboard, but the Wooting 60HE is just so amazing. Dont think id buy anything else...except maybe a Wooting 75% lol
Drunkdeer a75 is also a rapid trigger at 75% no idea how the trigger is tho
9 days away
@@Pilug404 Lmao its been 7 days and its nowhere to be seen
they wanted to fix some goofy looks of it@@gangsta412
80he is out for pre-order, just pre-ordered mine and can't wait for it since I don't like the 60he since I find it often that I use F keys a lot. 😊
the 0.2 rapid trigger tip helped a lot thank you I've had it on 0.1 and it was really glitchy and I was trying to find out what settings would make it better W
Wooting is a small company, from gamers to gamers. If you can, invest in the small fella.
Truly shocking moves from steelseries
But why they use same switches both gateron switches Im surprised they didn’t release it earlier
@@milkywayxd1803steel series dont use gateron
@@user-tz4my1iw2zthey actually do they just have their name on them funny thing is on my apex 9 mini the switches say gateron
@@user-tz4my1iw2zwhich all apex 9 modes have
The new corsair K70 now also has this feature. It would be cool if you could test this too and as always great video. Keep it up 👍
For keyboard enthusiast and modding with small extra features wooting is better, but for anyone who isn’t too much into keyboards and want a good performing keyboard than apex pro all day.
I got the apex pro TKL version 1.0 just before the usb C version came out (without pass through) I have heard about rapid trigger coming out but I am too lazy to care what it does.
I also got my apex pro TKL for like $130 on sale last year just before the new version came out, so it not a bad deal.
It's not a comparison to the wooting and Steelseries most CERTAINLY did not kill it in performance. It's an absolute trash comparison - the only reason this guy is even mentioning it, is because he thinks we're too stupid to not recognize that, he only gets paid if you buy Steelseries through his link.
@@yoblazesnot really, everyone knows that wooting is superior keyboard with some extra features but those are features not everyone will take advantage of (For non-enthusiasts). Apex pro is certainty a good enough gaming keyboard that you can buy at any local Best Buy for anyone not too into keyboard. Wooting a better keyboard but it won’t make you better gamer, even with faster actuations and rapid triggers.
@nazarethproductions7095 yes but your not understanding me - what I'm speaking about is in regards to the contextual way this video was posted. Look at the title - listen to his comparison - the entire video is just clickbait and freaking LAZY, just, thrown together clickbait at that.
If he posted the video in the way you just described it - that would be perfectly fine! Because everything you said is true and the points are valid.
@@yoblazes I don’t think it’s click bait, before steel series updates Apex pro was not even close or comparable to wooting not even mentioned on the same level. With the new update such as the rapid trigger and small update on custom actuation it’s actually close to wooting but just not refined as wooting. Razed tried doing the rapid trigger update but it’s just not as smooth as the steelseries but that had all to do with the type of switches they have. I can see where you stand on your point though if you’re not too into boardzys type of videos.
i tried the rapid trigger on steelseries, but not having a low actuation point where it resets going back up makes it so my keys will just stop working even if i continue holding them. this messes up my movement in val so i had to stop using it
can you try the akko 007 anniversary keyboard? it has magnetic switches with a feature that sounds similar to rapid trigger, haven't found many reviews.
The Apex Pro Mini does use a standard 60% layout, which means it CAN be modded to fit in any universal 60% tray mount case and aftermarket keycaps (like those in the video).
My Apex Pro died 2-3 days BEFORE they released the rapid trigger update. So I bought the Wooting Two HE.
So far I'm pretty happy with it. I don't think I have any complaints at all. Well maybe the fact that its missing a volume wheel and the wrist rest is better on Apex Pro (because its attached with magnets). I was happy with the Apex Pro too tho.
Wooting does have better software but I still use SS Engine because of Sonar, so getting a Wooting didn't get rid of SS Engine in my case.
Overall, if you have the money, I would probably go for the Wooting. Supporting them is also a plus. They did come up with Rapid trigger in the first place so more competition on the market is good.
How did ur apex pro die??
Stop the cap.
bro where did you get those custom keycaps??
I have the apex pro tkl, when i tried the rapid trigger thing I always like suddenly stop walking or smt like that, mb im not accustomed yet, is the wooting like that too?
if i use apex pro tkl version(not TKL 2023) do i will have rapid trigger option right?
ayo why is the dav3 pro in the back now? u swapped main mouse?
So apex pro mini uses Hall effect sensors? Does the version 1 Apex Pro TKL I have also use them? Because I have no clue and I am a clueless man.
if only their software and qc wasn't awful!
i had an apex pro tkl 2023 for 8 months. one of the LEDs burned in (on the keyboard, not the screen)
the keyboard's lighting and screen would freeze all the time too, sent it back to amazon (luckily they let me) and i'm just going to buy a keychron and mod it since i'm not really a competitive gamer anyway
I feel like this video was inspired by mine Wooting vs Apex Pro rant on discord, is it right boardzy? :D
I have an Akko World Tour 60% and I just went and bought the Apex Pro Mini, gonna transfer the keycaps to the Apex Pro Mini because why not and just enjoy my rapid trigger.
still waiting on the glass mouse pads round-up
will you be reviewing the new mousepad company material hyperglyde?
Exactly the review I was looking for
That's called an echo chamber. Be patient and buy the better product. The steelseries is some mass-produced garbage that could care less about the actual keyboard and more about what lines their pockets
Yo boardzy just commenting to let you know i finially got my hands on a hien and it has been truly life changing
do the rapid trigger is in the software of apex pro mini?
Is this the same on the Apex Pro TKL?
is the LA-1 gonna get the seal of approval or no
Adding rapid trigger through an update is a W from steelseries if you already owned one but I would a second wooting before I look elsewhere with the current competition
you can tune at which point it actuates. I have my WASD keys set at .1 or whatever the lowest value is
Does this work for the tkl apex pro?
I bought a wooting used to have a razer analog love my wooting
I've wanted to buy a Wooting forever, but I'm not a proponent of pre-ordering anything. He brings up a good point about just ordering from Amazon and getting something similar the next day.
but if you did get it a month ago you would've already had it
There’s definitely a benefit to having something shipped to your doorstep overnight and having the option to return it within 30 days and receiving a 100% refund instantly. Not to mention it’s ~25% cheaper than the wooting
Don't get it, I've had it and sold it. I bought mine second hand though, it is an overpriced overhyped keyboard. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great keyboard but it is also overhyped and overpriced. Especially now.
@@De4dSp0t Could you expound on your thoughts? I'm not aware of anything similar for a better price.
@@cauzed4980 It's pre-ordering in general. It allows almost anyone ot launch a product and minimize their financial exposure.
The reason people still want brown switches (I won't use anything else) is because you can type and game on them. Typing on linear or red switches is just about impossible, IF it's not a wooting. If you don't plan on typing and only gaming, then get a linear switch keyboard. Otherwise, get a keyboard with brown switches.
have you tried the drunkdeer a75 or g65?
Review the drunk deer g65 keyboard
I've never bought anything renewed ever, but I got a 2023 Apex pro TKL renewed just to use as I wait for my Wooting. Was planning on returning it anyways. But I fell in love with it. Idk if I got a special version or what, but the sound of the typing sounds just as good if not better than Wootings. When I looked at reviews the Apex pro did not sound as good as this one I have and that was my main gripe with it before buying it.
The steelseries software works great imo. Every review I've seen uses that as a reason to not get it. I really can not comprehend that opinion. It works fine. I can customize the actuation and rapid trigger of every key in the 60% area. Have 5 different configs I can swap between instantly with the on screen display.
After reading comments and watching reviews I expected the apex pro to be quite awful/mid. I'm convinced the youtube comment section is more like a blind cult following at this point. People see their favorite tech reviews nut over a product and that "opinion" becomes their whole personality despite never trying said product or both products.
Coming from someone who has been PC gaming for the last 8 years and frequently am in the masters/immortal ranks of every game, this keyboard is perfect for me. Sounds incredible (my favorite part of the keyboard), actually has media/arrow/functions keys, on screen display, and can ship to your house in 2 days. I genuinely don't see a single advantage for Wooting, but if you read online you'd think the Wooting gonna give you a BJ and make you a sandwich while also ranking you up to radiant.
Hello, can u test Corsair K70 Max, thnx. (on Corsair MGX switches)
The Drunkdeer is the same price or a bit less than the Steelseries Apex Pro Mini and it actually has hall effect switches. They have a 75% and a 65%.
I bought the steel sereies keyboard as soon as i heard they added the rapid trigger feature and i got it it for 150 TKL version
What Wooting mods are you running? Looking clean
I made a video covering all of them czcams.com/video/dSp2CObyQKc/video.htmlsi=k8Yc2RqOoKcZXoeo blade60 case, lighter springs and GMK dots
Is the spring ping spund an issue on drunkdeer a75 ?
do you think they will release another update soon for individual key customization?
No
DAV3 or wait for RVMSE drop ?
Finally SteelSeries is coming in clutch with a viable rapid trigger option in a TKL layout! Great vid :)
never gonna mod it look a wooting so no for me
@@moshingmobdid you type this on a happy meal?
@@moshingmobwhy does the time of the comment matter it’s the internet
@@TheSometimeAfter Hahahah best comment. Im stealing this one.
@@exot1c_dark066 Why does knowing why it matters matter, its the internet!
should i get a wooting or black friday deal apex pro mini i can get it for 119
i have the apex pro . it is not possible to give the buttons different button activation or? its nice to have rapid trigger on 0.1 but on the space button i need 1
It is possible. I believe in you
@@boardzy ah u right thank u, it seems to be working now. I had to do a factory reset
but the software is really bad
I use 0.8mm actuation + rapid trigger. Below that there are too many typos.
"Did Steelseries KILL Wooting Keyboards?"
Answer: No.
Actually the performance are very similar ! Apex have more disponibility on the market it s wireless and it s tkl ! 3 things that persuade me to buy it ! Wooting can be a bit better I never will buy a 60% keyboard 😊
SteelSeries all day for me, wireless, tkl size and now has rapid trigger.
The entire time the Wooting 6he has been around, i have literally never seen it in stock. Its always pre order. Im not preording a keyboard.
anyone know how to keep my RGB settings without keeping the horrible Steelseries GG Engine open?
I haven’t had that issue with 0.1 actuation for my Apex Pro that’s kinda weird
THANK YOU
I hope Wooting makes like a 75% version of the 60HE. I use the ~ key a bit and I don’t want to have to take extra steps to type that in. Also I don’t want to use the Wooting “arrow keys”.
Why can't you use ~? I have no issues with this on my 60HE
@@mtbjon3587 with default settings you have to press fn + shift + [esc/~], but they can just remap it to some other key + fn so rly shouldn't be an issue
@@mtbjon3587 there is no tilde on 60 HE
@@mtbjon3587he just explained why…?
@@exot1c_dark066 One can just replace escape with ~
My wooting out of the box is the nicest computer peripheral I've ever bought. I mean it feels and sounds so perfect just straight out of the box. Then you can upgrade and mod it if you want. They've just released an aluminium case too if you choose. I swear. I'm in love with mine. Highly recommend it to anyone on the fence.
for me too and the wrist pad they make is a must have and glad i got it at the same time i got my keyboard.. i was questioning if i should get it at the time and i made the right choice. for me though im a logi G whore so i own a ton of logi gear and they are well constructed as well. recently i bought the superlight v2 (my daily driver) and the new pro x tkl to compliment it.. i use that for games that require me to use the F buttons a lot and it sucks to use the FN buttons just to hit f1-f9.. i understand you can customize that but nah.. lol
I just need wooting to make a 10kyl
Wooting not releasing a TKL earlier has got to be one of the worst business decisions of all time. They are way too slow. They are wasting their time on aluminium cases.
@@Joao_M They have had plenty of time. They made a 60% first instead of a TKL which I'd argue is a less popular format for gaming keyboards. On top of that it's been nearly 2 years since the 60HE launch. There was only a few months between the full size keyboard and the 60% and that was during Covid. The excuses have run out.
@@Joao_MThat doesn't matter. They made a choice to make a 60% before a TKL. This was the wrong choice. That's just how it is.
I'll wait for your drunkdeer a75 review before i buy any of them
I wonder if the Apex Pro can be updated similarly. Still a solid update but I'm not into 60% keyboard unfortunately. I'm more of a 96 key layout. Maybe some keyboard company will do this layout with the same tech as Wooting or the Apex Pro.
Yeah I use the TKL and they update the same
You should try the Drunkdeer A75 keyboard 🫡
Got the keyboard had it for long time now
Random question for someone like me to have medium or large hands would 60 or 65 be ideal for me or 75 or tkl or does hand size even matter?
The difference between 60, 65, TKL and full-size is horizontal, not vertical. So hand size doesn't matter.
@brzt4256 75 looks different though
higground has a hallifex keyboard now also.
Damn it now I wanna replace my apex 9 mini (which I just got like a month ago) with an apex pro… damn you boardzy 😭
the issue w the apex pro mini detecting more than the wooting at low actuation is because its got twice the delay according to optimum's testing
I am probably the only person on the planet who did not buy the 60HE for rapid-trigger, but for the software solution and the ability to do everything without bloat on the computer.😂
Nope - I did too for the exact same reason
Nah bro I just ordered a wooting for like 80% of that same reason lol. Since the woot won’t arrive for like a month though I just ordered an apex pro tkl from Amazon on next day shipping since it’s 33% off on sale here right now. If it can genuinely impress me I’ll keep the damn thing and cancel the woot but if it even slightly pisses me off in the software it’s going straight back to Amazon lol.
@@jlb4685how did u like the apex?
I’m the Uk it costs the same as the wooting.
i agree for gaming optical switches are bare minimum. all those contact based mechanical "gaming" keyboards are an abomination with their debounce delay and rapid aging of the contacts. i don't even use that trash for typing - i have NIZ electrocapactive for that. unfortunately when i had steelseries i had to send it back because wireless didn't work for me plus with my display positioning RGB was reflecting too much in the screen. currently using Asus ROG Scope RX TKL Wireless Deluxe and it's pretty good. screen reflections are well controlled, wireless works like a champ and switches are smooth as butter. i don't need the wireless but think it's a nice bonus to have if you want to use the keeb for HTPC. no rapid trigger on the ROG of course as it's only optical.
If you were to recommend these keyboards for a beginner, which one would it be?
I've used the Corsair Strafe MX Cherry Brown, Corsair K95 RGB Platinum MX Cherry Brown and on Christmas Eve I got the HyperX Alloy Origins PBT HX Red which is perfectly fine but all this talk about the SteelSeries Apex Pro and Wooting makes me wonder if these would be significantly better than my current keyboard.
You dont need such a keyboard if your not going pro. If you want it you buy it.
They would probably be a little bit better, but unless you're very skilled and playing at the highest ranks in your games of choice, it's not something you should really be worrying about all that much. If money is somehow of no concern to you, it would be an upgrade. Overall though you're probably going to be fine. It's up to you how much you think it will help you. Still plenty of pros on keyboards that don't have rapid trigger, so clearly it won't hinder you that much to wait a little. this tech might become cheaper too.
Drunkdeer A75 would be great if you checked it out. Not only hall effect but also gasket mounted!
It's plate mounted, at least the last time I checked.
@@itsjaesura you're right, it's plate! I mixed it up with the akko MOD 007 PC!
sums up my opinion on these
does the apex pro tkl get the same update?
yes
@@boardzy you're a looser
Wish the apex pro had analog movement
Fair, I use wootings double movement software for fn at least
Steelseries products have always had atrocious quality when it comes to software. I can say as a wooting owner the preorder wait is well worth it. I wont touch steelseries products ever again.
But no one want's to talk about the drunk deer a75 :(
Just grabbed the steelseries. I have the drunkdeer a75 but ran into some issues with keys not registering as did others on their discord. This was with keys that had custom actuation/rt setup which is unfortunate. Seems their firmware/drivers are still rough. Amazon coming in clutch with the steelseries coming in with same day delivery and is TKL. Too bad it doesn't have the same quality as wooting but who oh well.
i have a mountain everest max with which I find myself very well but i want to try a keyborad with rapid trigger....wooting 60he for me are much money 189,99€ + 12€ the shipment...and there's also the custom ............i will to buy steelseries that there's also on amazon and it also comes to me immediately ,more than 200 € for a keyboard that does not even have volume button etc it makes no sense
Nothing will beat the Wooting!!
Sadly, the apex pro mini isnt reduced in price in every region. For me its literally the same price as the w00ting.
TKL Wireless is 199 at best buy right now.
Same, I have wooting and it's the best keyboard out of every keyboard I have, recently a friends of mine advised another friends to buy apex pro tkl and I asked the price of the apex and it was the same price as wooting and for me it was a useless move, unless he wanted a keyboard fast and don't wanted to wait months to get it, wooting is better at the same price.
review ice v2 skates
lol truth about all other keyboards without hall effect switches are behind
Drunk deer a75
Good thing is this is in stock everywherw unlike wooting
the problem with wooting is that it's hard to get in Thailand lol
both are close to the same prize in europe if i buy the one without keycap from wootin they are even cheaper than steelseries
2:20 kinda proves that the boards are not the same if you gain a whole mm of actuation on the wooting and yes I am here shilling
Another keyboard will have to blow the wooting out the water for me to change keyboards
Yeah if you have a wooting, no reason to switch off
@@boardzy why didn't you mention that?
Do the wireless apex have this new features
Yes ofc
@@boardzy so the steelseries keyboard have a better value
@@Victorien-but wooting is still better
Performance wise there are similar, it will come down to the extra features that wooting does offer. You really can’t go with either one but for sure wooting has a better build quality & also could be modded. If you don’t care about build quality or aren’t a keyboard enthusiast than apex pro is a good choice.
@@nazarethproductions7095 but the apex pro isn't it hotswappab'e
Sick
love my 60he but damn do i wish it was a tkl..
seal of approval goes hard on this one
waiting for DrunkDeer A75 and huntsman v3 pro
i have the drunkdeer and its actually really good the only down side is if ur actually comparing it to say steelseries or wooting i would say its better than the steelseries because of the rapid trigger works on it compare to steelseries maybe im just not setting it up properly but i saw this video that steel series has the new update and check it out but for some reason it doesnt work for me but if using a keyboard for actuation drunkdeer is .4mm which for me eliminates the keyboard tapping error or steelseries for a .1mm actuation for gaming. personally i like drunkdeer cause most of the time i press my keys all the way down and .4mm and .1mm is not really a big deal in my opinion and its sounds better too when i mod it. its also a 75 percent keyboard with a volume knob which i like. i use to like and wanting to get the wooting because of the special features but never really like the 60 percent keyboard layout. im more of 65 percent all the way to 96 percent compact keyboard like rk96 but maybe the higround performance keyboard will top all of them.
I mean if you're lazy and don't care about having the best, go Steelseries. There's a reason almost every pro switched to the Wooting and have modded theirs.
Yeah making your keyboard feel personal/unique is a nice little niche I never thought I needed lol.
SHOCKING
Its implementation is so much jenkier than Wooting and I haven’t quite figured out why yet. It having basically an on and off status with zero customisation for a feature that demands it is truly… a move
OG Apex Pro TKL is excellent gaming keyboard now if u dont want mods.
I have to agree on both Logitech's GPX 2 Pro and their new Keyboard. Both seem very lack Laster against the competition. And next to no innovation what's so ever.
Logitech is living off their past, the new pro x tkl is 2020 standard and for the price, its not worth it
Akko came out with a model with similar switches, and in a more popular form factor. It's still in development, but I think they'll have a much better product if you take the state out of the box. SteelSeries have terrible keyboards right now, and only switches don't change that. Wooting has expensive options, Akko has good keyboards right now.
Akko's keyboard kinda implies either TTC or Huano is making comparable switches meaning we'll see way more companies releasing similar keyboards. And I reckon most of them would be way better than the wooting while also costing less.
@@ICCraider The Akko version is already cheaper, $140. At the same time, this is the same 007PC with flex-cuts on pcb and plate. I would really replace the keycaps.
I already ordered it for myself.
@@2D4J Just ordered it after you mentioned it. Costs roughly $123 in my country with shipping. Excited to try it out.
EDIT: Also the witches are magnetic versions of the cream yellow pros so I reckon it's going to sound really freaking good.
For the akko board im sure the hardware itself will be better but the question is will the software be able to keep up and offer a similar feature set
@@coyotex850 I highly doubt the software would be on the same level as the wooting in the beginning and probably will be a bit more limited in terms of features. But it is way cheaper and is just *better as a keyboard.* And the switches are magnetic versions of really good switches that honestly doesn't need any lubing so it'll sound _way_ better than the wooting.
W for the woothing crew
W
After experiencing steelseries software when i got acrtis nova pros i have to give a hard pass on anything steelseries. Razors software is miles better and that is saying something.