How the longest running OU Pokemon fell off - Open Mic
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Why Tyranitar was OU for so long
1:03 -Why Tyranitar struggles in Gen 9 OU
4:48 - What if Excadrill came back?
5:46 - Why Tyranitar struggles in Gen 9 UU
9:07 - How Gen 9 is so different from every other gen
12:02 - How Tyranitar doesn't benefit from Tera
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Imagine going back a few years and telling someone Tyranitar would be in RU and Moltres would be in OU.
We got to witness the fall and rise firsthand and it still feels weird
Bruh id send them to the mental asylum
Or telling someone that Arcanine would outclass it as a rock type.
Imagine telling someone that a new Regi would outclass Regice as an ice type
A few years ago was a time when Venomoth was in a higher tier than Snorlax, Raikou and Metagross.
thanks for having me boss!
I genuinely think that great tusk and king gambit was a huge factor
I wouldn't say that's the only cause. Ever since XY Tyranitar has been getting progressively worse relative to the competition thanks to things like the Sand Stream and Pursuit nerfs, as well as general power creep.
I'm glad, because Great Tusk is probably gonna be abandoned later generations, just like Ultra Beasts, so King Tyranitar can become OU again.
Also iron valiant a hard counter
Same with ting-lu
Kingambit's typing is literally Ttar's ........ but better (outside of trading the Fire resist for a Fire weakness but that's a tiny setback in comparison with the rest). Add the much greater offensive potential and better Phys Bulk and the lower Special Attack and bulk feels negligible in comparison
It's far from the only problem of Ttar, but it's the nail in the coffin : why use Ttar for it's defensive role when Kingambit does it better with it's much better mix of Offense and Defense
@@BeastOrGodjust wait for gen 20, they'll add a steel/fairy mon named Iron Phallus with 150/190/130/1240/60/140 stats and an ability that summons permanent rain that weakens ground moves and boosts its sp. atk and speed by x1.5
The fact that sand stream doesn't automatically make you immune to sand damage feels like an oversight, since sand rush and sand veil do prevent the chip no matter what type you are
Probably wasnt ever considered in practice since the four Pokemon who do get Sand Stream are immune to the chip damage, and there's no practical reason to skill swap it to another Pokemon or change their type via soak.
@@GamingEelektrossbut they changed hail to snow in Gen 9 so they definitely could've edited the effect for Gen 9 as well
@@_Rhatsody Snow Warning, as well as Ice Body and Snow Cloak only exist on ice types with the exception being Seel's HA. There was just never a reason to think of coding "If Snow Warning then Immune to Hail chip".
Funny enough, Slush Rush doesnt make the Pokemon immune to Hail, but its not easily observed in a normal playthrough or battle setup because all Pokemon with it are Ice Type.
Fun fact: In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team, Sand Veil did NOT make you immune to Sandstorm.
Yeah, feels like an oversight that should be fixed
This is why the timing of your "Tyranitar Theorem" video was so ironic to me. I thought it was gonna talk about how T-tar lost its best teammate in Gen 9 in Excadrill.
ttar's bf died from dexit 💔
Reminds me of the best blunder thumbnail in history
@@unfunniestmanGive it time. They'll meet again soon enough.
False Swipe + BKC + Agency + Pokeaim team up is absurd
just need nathanlikeschicken and freezai to create the ultimate singles pokemon team
This is a monumental moment
Now we need Moxie Boosted
Not as absurd as tyranitar in ru
The dream team fr
Tyranitar in RU just doesn’t feel real.
It even fell out of the OU Viability Rankings entirely.
Bruh
This comment DOESN'T feel real
Like, a horrible typing and mediocre speed can only get you so far along indirect nerfs
He is a Rock Type, it was bound to happen.
It's a bit sad to see my boy down there tbh :(
Gen 9 power creep is one hell of a drug
They were this close to claiming Garchomp, but Tyranitar wasn't spared.
I understand Tyranitar but what happened to Garchomp? Was it just power creep or did it get nerfed in some way too?
@@cicada8981 my guess is losing scale shot was a major factor on top of power creep
@@cicada8981chien-pao, ting-lu, iron valiant, great tusk, roaring moon, iron bundle before it got banned, baxcalibur, and a lack of speed
So yeah power creep
nah, scale shot was new. It is just power creep and fairies. He used to be the strongest and fastest mon around, and he had one of the best typings possible. Now none of those 3 things are true anymore@@derpolopolis8829
@@cicada8981Enamorous rolled it into a pack
We are inching ever closer to the False Swipe Gaming collab with CTC, and I, for one, cannot wait.
The "black sludge bisharp theorem". How items can affect a pokemon's viability.
Nah I love CTC but bro has no filter to be on something as professional as FSG
@@Substantial-hf1rmthat's precisely why I want to see it happen. It's like introducing people from different circles of friends to one another.
@@herbertunkrautthey don’t see the vision😂
@@Neku109 I stopped laughing when he turned into a poison type though
What no Sand Abusers and Rock/Dark type does to a mf...
R.I.P OU Tyranitar
There was one. But then he was banned and then the move that allowed him to be good was banned.
Power Creep too (Kingambit, Roaring Moon, Ting-Lu, Garganacl, Great Tusk in OU; Meowscarada, Tinkaton, Greninja, Quaquavel, H-Arcanine, Kleavor, Donphan in UU)
Tyranitar; "Maybe the real competitive was the friends we made along the way."
Just need to dig them out of the sand.
Gen 9 is so bizarre for Tyranitar... it's like... everything is working against him to make him ridiculously unreliable, besides the loses he already took in Gen 8... Tyranitar is like THE ONE Pokémon that is completely unable to take advantage of Tera simply because their whole IDENTITY was being the offensive guy with Sand.
And all the types that could make sense to turn it... it would kill them, because Sand Stream.
I know it could seem absurd before this Generation, but having Sand Stream as an ability should make you inmune to the Sand damage the same way the abilities that interact with Sandstorm do.
Lol, you're talking too much. It's simply a too slow - and the 4x weakness to Fighting is _finally_ being exploited by the masses who used to run dead scared of it before for some weird reason.
@@netweed09 There were was always since Gen 2 good fighting types, but it wasn't as exploitable that weakness (even with Close Combat being a thing) as it's in currently.
Also, Kingambit in theory has the same problems being around the same Speed Tier and being cripply weak to fighting type, but Tera works for him, and he has an ability that is always playing it's favor.
@@netweed09 lol, you're talking too much. yYu simply don't know a thing about that which you speak of, and you run your mouth anyway for some weird reason.
@@troykv96why can’t we tera ghost ttar?
@@yoshiwoollyworld Sand Stream.
"Father! Is it over?" "At long last, no king rules forever, my son."
I think one thing to mention is Ttar's usage dropped dramatically after houndstone was banned early on.
I think what also went unmentioned in this video was how other weathers got even better this gen. Sun teams got the biggest buff with tons of crazy strong Paradox mons benefitting from sun, which also gives Sun teams vastly more options for coverage and team support. Rain teams benefit a lot from Terastallizing since Terastallizing out of water doesn’t mitigate any of rain’s benefits, so now they also have more coverage options. Hell, hail got REWORKED into snow which is a lot better than hail ever was. It also works well as a neutral weather to cancel out other weather teams, since it isn’t a hazard anymore and you can still benefit from no-miss blizzard spam if you want. Sand tightens your Tera-type options really badly and doesn’t provide enough meaningful benefits since plenty of non-sand teams run ground and steel types as their biggest threats, and can terra into steel on other things to ignore sand too.
Slowking has made Snow teams. Slowking loves having a slow switch move with Chilly Reception to abuse Regenerator so canceling your opponent’s weather and making Baxcalibur bulkier is just a bonus.
Nah snow is trash Its pretty a slowguy exclusive move. Hail at least progresses the game state
Snow and hail should be combined like sandstorm
@@jdrmanmusiqking I mean it is better, just not good. Hail was just sandstorm but worse. Now if we had frostbite in gen 9 as well..
@@Zevox144 no. Hail is 1000% better
@@jdrmanmusiqking hail is absolutely worse
only ice types being inmune to the chip sets such a constraint on teambuilding Snow barely doing anything is arguably better
Unnerve Tyranitar would have been a joke in any other generation, but honestly with how much it's struggling it might be worth a try just so it can tera without hitting itself with sand.
They should change its hidden ability to intimidate
the fact that berries see more usage now also makes it worth considering
@@homerman76Colbur Berry Galarian Slowking especially :o
Unnerve Tyranitar is a nice gimmick with Mega Evolution stone
Well, at least the remake for How GREAT was Tyranitar ACTUALLY? will be almost entirely a glorious competitive legacy. Rest in Power Tyranitar.
Wait until gen 10 to see if it redeems itself
@@12jswilson I feel like it might cause if you look at it Tera won't exist so things can't just swap types away. The starters most likely will disappear, Tusk will disappear till at least Home or even DLC of Gen.10 and a lot of stuff like Clod and maybe Ghouldengo will also be gone so it will rise most likely
@@pokefanalex9504 Assuming they don't cut him from the game, though it's possible we might not see anyone get cut since they're giving themselves more time for the next one, maybe we'll even see something like journeys where all of the mechanics come back as a "pick one to use per battle" concept, I wonder how that would affect the meta 🤔.
The “UNFORTUNATELY” will be big
@@homerman76the issue with “pick one” is Z moves and Megas are balanced, Terra is slightly unbalanced, and Dynamax is more than a little unbalanced. Official singles is 3v3, official doubles is 4v4, in either case Dynamax is basically 3 Z-moves in a row, AND it buffs your bulk. I rag on Smogon a LOT about silly bans but in hindsight Dynamax was justified.
BKC and the Agency? On a False Swipe Gaming? Insta classic. Now we only need a 2 hour podcast of them all
Tyranitar dying to its own Sand when Tera'd is really sad but absolutely hysterical. 7 Generations of Sand just to be betrayed by it.
*6. He wasn't a sand abuser in gen 2.
@@alejandro_rodriguez_99 My bad. I'm used to Tar always having Sand that I forgot it didn't always have it.
Gen 9 has been nuts so far.
So many new Pokemon with so much power.
And so many nerfs and buffs to most pre-existing pokemon
That's been pokemon since gen 5
Metagross, Salamence: First time?
Dragonite: Hidden Ablities do wonders eh?
Starmie and Dragonite are the only 2 gen1 pokemon still relevant at all in the tier lists huh? Or am I missing someone?
Edit- yes, I did forget someone. Not just one poke, I missed quite a few. Zapdos, Moltres, Clefable, Nidoking, Slowbro, GENGAR, and more. I apologize for being bad.
@@Not_interestEd-Zapdos
@@Not_interestEd- starmie is not in the game. moltres and zapdos are ou
@@eduardobranco8349 I forgot about those 2 birds. I was not aware Starmie got cut from SV, but I can guess it will eventually return. Gamefreak really wants that starfish to not be relevant anymore huh?
Starmie was like NU last gen, that thing is NOT viablr
Why hazards are almost EVERYTHING - The Ferrothorn theorem.
"Tyranitar is buffeted by the sandstorm!"
TOP 10 ANIME BETRAYALS
i'm surprised they didn't make sand stream grant sandstorm immunity in case you change your type. imagine if sand rush didn't protect you from sand damage.
BKC, the Doctor, AND the Agency? This guest list is unstoppable.
i laughed when people said tyranitar would be broken if it changed its typing, they called me a madman look who's right and who is in the wrong
Slowbro deserves a mention. Wasn't always an OU pokemon (it was only OU by usage in gens 1, 6 and 8, but it was also UUBL in gen 4) but it was such a staple last gen and then they gut it by taking away Scald and Teleport, two moves you were going to see on virtually every Slowbro build. It's pretty good where it is in RU but it's still a bit sad to see
It was NU for a lot of gen 7 though, so it already dropped significantly more than it did this gen.
the agency responding to the T-tar controversy… glad to see it
I'm starting to enjoy more of this podcast style videos it's makes the conversion feel more candid and a little but exciting too with how you guys are like excited to talk about the topics and have eachother thoughts and opinions on it
Tyranitar being in RU and Moltres being in OU just goes to show how much of a chokehold Great Tusk and Kingambit have Competitive Singles in right now
But it’s ok! If it provides role compression it’s not broken right?
Every meta is shaped by its defining champions and those that serve to check and/or counter them or anti-meta them in this case. With Tyranitar having so many counters to it this generation, it's practically unreal to assume he has any place on any serious OU teams at this point, even if said meta 'mons comprised a team with him on it, especially since most of them are immune to Sandstorm's chip damage (Kingambit, Great Tusk, Gholdengo, Cornerstone Ogerpon, and Magic Guard Clefable to name a few).
Role compression doesn't exactly make a Pokémon broken (see Heatran in Gen 4, and Landorus-Therian from Gens 5 through 8), either, as Tyranitar has effectively done that in past generations with its typing, well-distributed offensive and defensive stat spread, and vast move pool to complement it being able to run just about any set it wanted to meet the team's needs. Moltres, neither now nor before, is nowhere close to that level of versatility; it almost always ran special offense despite its high Attack stat, though nothing complemented it well if not consistently, or a defensive Defogger. That, in combination with its HA Flame Body and decent bulk, coupled with a typing that blanks both of Great Tusk's STABs, can come in on both Gholdengo and Kingambit attempting to spam their Steel-type STAB, and threaten to burn Tusk and Gambit with Will-O-Wisp or Flame Body on the switch, is why Moltres is used. It's an anti-meta 'mon.
FSG, you need to do the remake, How GREAT was Tyranitar actually???? Sometime in the forseeable future. Thank you for your hard work and dedication
UNFORTUNATELY
Maybe this is a prelude?
The comforting thing is that this isn't going to be permanent. The main reason he fell is that the meta is bad for him and there aren't many sand abusers. That's not a permanent problem - and if a Pokemon like Pelliper can stay OU because it can set weather, Tyranirar will be back once it's friends do.
Gen 10 will see Excadrill's return, where it'll join TTar in UU.
@@cynthiacrescent+ dracozolt. Lowkey it might be better than excadrill for abusing sand, it’s by far no question the best mixed weather abuser of all time. But excadrill role compresses so well so its slightly better
Your wrong this is only the beginning of the fall. You talk about sand abusers like excadrill is gonna be at the top. Not a chance.
@@danka1167draco and exe are two different sand abusers. Draco is the one who says nah ah to waters and the like. Exe is the one who counters fairys and several others
I feel like there might be potential with bulky sand? Enamourous has over coat meaning it'll pair extremely well with tyranitar, taking care of some of it's checks. I think the main thing to consider would be stuff like kinggambit who curves stomp both.
I don’t think I can state how much I love these videos. This format feels great since its a bkc style video you can watch that wont ruin your sleep schedule.
I still find it funny how zapdos has been ou since gen 1 (he dropped to uu in 5 but hes been ou for every other one) like no matter how much power creep there is, this spiky bird is still in ou
Zapdos didn’t drop from being bad in 5 tbf. It was new toy syndrome with the pre-nerf genie. Was still totally viable.
@@Skullhawk13 Yeah im not arguing that he wasn't bad in gen 5, It's just funny how he only dropped tiers once
That is genuinely saddening to me. Tyranitar was always such a rock in OU, you know? Enabled so many team archetypes, tanked through every bit of incoming damage like it was nothing... Lasted longer than Starmie and Gengar's OU runs, at least. Godspeed, you funky Godzilla pastiche.
Seeing Ttar fall so far just makes me so sad, he's legit my favorite non-Legendary Pokemon and it's just been a big face of competitive Pokemon for so long. Tera kind of created this "When everyone is super, no one is" scenario since any Pokemon can pivot out of their weaknesses and so the previous hard hitters fall because they no longer can keep up
Ttar's been my favorite since I played Pokemon XD and raised one to level 80-something. I didn't know anything about competitive at that point, I just knew I had this well-designed and very reliable mon with a million coverage moves. Made it even better when I found out that my favorite mon was also an OU king. I get that metas change but gen 9 just felt openly hostile to ttar specifically for all the reasons mentioned in this vid.
'Sad'?? 🤨😂
Jeez, get a grip!
@@mr.sandman7339 it wasn't just ttar either. The meta game was also hostile to chomp. The introduction of an accurate, viable ice move probably killed it before it could even shine.
I can't bare to see such an iconic conpetitive Pokémon fall out of OU after dominating it for 7 gens in a row. Plz give Ttar a buff that will raise it back to OU in the DLC, Game Freak.
Movepool changes and a different pokemon selection would change its viability.
The big issue is that sun got a major buff in this generation. Another issue is that in general, t-tar's weaknesses have gained a lot of geound.
@RFDN0 even tho I haven't played SV yet, it's crazy how much stuff is stacked against ttar now. You know a generation's power creep is out of control when even Garchomp is on the edge of the cliff. With all this power creep, why can't they give old Pokémon more buffs to help them keep up with the new ones? I can't imagine what Gen 9's untiered list is gonna look like in the future. XD
@@christendo5733 Garchomp deserves it for being ugly and the ace of the most boring champion ever (Cynthia)
I don't really care about ttar. I feel more bad for things like Flareon since it's never been good. Ever and it will never see the light of day.
@@PerfectAzraelah hell nah bro dissed not only the goat Garchomp but his baddie of a trainer??
@@shaqkage Garchomp is only scary when used by a competent player.
When you put it in the hands of a toddler like Cynthia, it loses a lot of the fear factor and becomes very predictable and weak as it loses all its momentum.
If you want a cool dragon, look at Haxorus or Salamence. Not this reject bargain bin excuse of a dragon named Garchomp.
Cynthia isn't scary or competent and I swept her first try which is really sad since I didn't design my team to hard counter her or her Garchomp.
People only like Cynthia because she makes their dicks hard. That's the only reason why, nobody actually thinks she is cool or genuinely strong.
She's just a boring incompetent character and a wasted one too.
Virgin Tyranitar vs Chad Pelipper
i love these discussion videos, hearing BKC actually talk about the topic in the title is always a treat. Getting aim and blunder on was really good too
This feels like when a group of friends are in the funeral of the most brilliant, smart and promising of them all and begin to wonder "How did this end like this?" "WHY did this end up like this?!" and they realise it was inevitable...
(Obviously being in a funeral is a lot worse than having a talk about Pokemon, but I hope y'all get the idea)
So what you're saying is, they saw the slow decline of their friend but didn't think anything of it at the time?
@@rjante2236 pretty much, the start of it all was the loss of Pursuit, and there was that weird occasion where Ttar went to UU. Ttar did return to OU so not much of a fuss was raised back then and now the decline can be seen all over it
@@hoshi314 So more like he had a couple of health scares, seemed to be improving, then got hit by a bus on the way home from the clinic.
@@mr.sandman7339goddamn bruh 😭😭😭 lol
I really want a full competitive Pokemon podcast with these four. This is such a good listen for both the information and the comedy to
Hey I just wanted to let you guys know that these chill discussion videos are superb and I love seeing BKC and other battlers feature in them and give their thoughts. Hope to see more of them and would also like to see other great players as well.
*[KNOCK OFF HAS ENTERED THE CHAT]*
TTar gets Knock Off via TM in the Teal Mask, while the Bisharp line does not. THE KING STAYS WINNING, THE OU DREAM IS STILL REAAAAAAL.
Tyranitar: Even if I never go back OU I’m not going down without a fight
I feel like Tyranitar should have been given an honorary mention in the Volcarona theorem regarding how a typing’s usefulness can be generational and meta-dependent.
Now that it can’t easily take advantage of it’s past niches in resistances to key threats, sand, and Pursuit, it was only a matter of time before it’s typing got exposed for being kind of bad.
I love how this needed to gather them like this, it's just historical
Sand Stream should make the user immune to sandstorm damage just like Sand Veil, Sand Rush, etc.
BRO THIS FEELS LIKE A PODCAST AND I LOVE IT 😭
Love seeing PokeaimMD and Blunder. Would like to see more videos done this way.
Love this roundtable meta discussion format. Great video
In response to 11:20 Tbf, Garchomp has had some close calls before in terms of dwindling usage in the past prior to this gen - almost sending it to UU. In Gen 7 for awhile it was barely scraping by in usage and viability because Zygarde was in the tier. It only shot back up to prominence once the Snek got banned.
at least in gen 7, there's only zygarde, in gen 9 you need to ban like 5 more ground or dragon types to be considered
@@knightlancelot4003Dragapult, Baxcalibur, Roaring Moon, Great Tusk, and Ting-Lu
The fact that OU staples like Ttar and Garchomp are now both in UU is crazy.
Lack of pursuit took a generation for its effects to be felt, and the loss of Excadrill hurt it even more.
Unless…
With how much switching happens now, they really should revamp pursuit, maybe even add a condition where it has priority against the likes of uturn and volt switch, there just wasn't much reason to kick it from the game like they did, though I guess that's true of a lot of moves that got cut from gen 8+
@@homerman76 honestly a BIG problem was how pursuit just kinda fucked over psychic type, a type that already struggles. When they did type effectiveness adjustments in gen 6, they should've made it so Steel lost its resistance to Psychic and Bug instead of Ghost and Dark. That would've lessened the effect of Pursuit on Psychic
@@juannaym8488Yeah and now ghost mons are allowed to run amok like Gholdengo (god that design is bad) and Dragapult, Pursuit would have been the thing keeping them in check
@@Nighterac after getting used to it, I love Gholdengo's design. Its goofy and serious at the same time
@@juannaym8488the Steel type was created to counterbalance Psychic types so it would never lose its resistance
Great episode and great guests
Great format, good music, very easy to listen too ! Very good video overall
Sand sucks, excadrill is gone, pursuit is gone, Garganacl exists, Kingambit exists, great tusk exists
Protosynthesis & the PLETHORA of insane rain users, as well as the fact that there weren't any great sand abusers this gen were huge factors imo
Yo this is a fire colab! need more of this.
TTAR GOT KNOCKOFF WE’RE SO BACK
Well yeah with huge threats in Kinggambit, Great Tusk and all the huge new Grass and Fighting types like the Hisuian mons *AND* no good Sand Rush Sweeper thanks to Excadrill not being in the game it was time for Ttar to get the Metagross treatment
These discussions are awesome!
These four together is absolutely lovely.
The Colab we always needed
Hope you make a video on Zapdos, how it continues to stay so good.
So great to hear from Blunder and Pokeaim. I’m hoping they make more guest appearances.
Tyranitar is trying his best to reach back into previous generations to grab his best friend, Excadrill.
sometimes I use tyranitar in OU.
I use this creative set:
Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Avalanche
- Payback
- Earthquake
- Heavy Slam
it's not great, but it is not terrible.
a good teamate is garganacl since garganacl is a rock type and apreciates a lot the the sp.def buff from the sandstorm.
Sand Stream really should give immunity to Sandstorm damage, especially in tjis generation
Nah, not really. Just because you create a sandstorm, doesn't mean you are immune to it. It would be stupid if it was still immune to damage when Tera, because it incentives wasting your Tera so that your Mon can survive and removes any level of risk from Tera.
@@egbertmilton4003every other sandstorm ability grants immunity and every hail ability granted immunity back in the day. Terra already has an opportunity cost of one Pokémon only. The fact you think it’s “stupid.” Isn’t relevant to the discussion.
@@Skullhawk13 You do realise none of those sandstorm abilities and hail abilities were able to kick up the weather right? The typing or abilities adapted to boosting yourself in hail is what makes Pokemon immune, not the ability to make sandstorm, otherwise every Pokemon capable of learning Sandstorm should be immune, and that becomes so stupid. The fact you think the opportunity cost is enough to justify a weather setting Pokemon not facing any negative consequences of leaving its type bracket is an embarrassment.
@@egbertmilton4003 you're arguing semantics at best.
@@Skullhawk13 No, it’s basic logic at worst, something you clearly don’t have
Great mashup
The collab I’ve been waiting for 😈😈😈😈
So there's all of that, but I'm confused that I don't see anything talking about Ting Lu replacing a lot of Tyranitar's defensive utility. Ground dark is such a better type than rock dark, and it tanks special hits just as well
Yep, Ting Lu took Ttar's defensive strengths and ran with it and since it doesn't rely on sand for its spdef boost, Lu can tera whenever it wants. A lot of these new mons feel very overtuned, like how Chien-Pao is just Weavile but with everything it could ever want.
The bigger they are the harder they fall.
Tbh I’d listen to 15 minute deep dives on specific pokemon or aspects in this format all the time
GOATED VID FAVORITE IN A LONG WHILE :-)
I never thought I would see the day where TYRANITAR is in RU.
Keep your head up king. Your time will shine again soon.
Probably when Excadrill comes back
Sick collab
Would love to see the full unedited conversation with these goats released. Please, for the people!!!!
It's a shame that Sand Stream doesn't come with a built-in immunity to its own weather condition, like Sand Veil.
According to Wolfey, Rock + Dark is the 10th worst type combination. For so long Tyranitar's base stats, ability, and movepool have made up for this. But it seems the limitations of its typing have finally caught up with it.
I hope Tyranitar manages to crawl back up to OU in the future.
defensively, Rock+dark is the worst type possible currently, as it has the worst array of the 7 weakness spread for the 6 types that share that number of weaknesses. the only reason its that high is because the sole rock/dark pokemon is a weather setter as well as being both strong offensive typings.
Ironic how its in the one time it can fix that issue. Fate is funny sometimes.
@@Rarest26the existence of tera hurts Ttar more than it helps, even if you exclude sand chip. Tera giving any mon stab fighting hurts Ttar. TTar also doesn’t particularly benefit from Tera either, because so much of what it is, has been its unique defensive profile.
Ttar was used for pursuit so the dark typing is good and sand stream boosts it's spDef and doesn't chip it so rock typing is good. Wolfey was probably talking about VGC not singles.
@@herhhetj5372 He's was refer to the types themselves at face value, their weaknesses and resistances. The many weaknesses are very problematic for the combination and their offensive synergy is mediocre. But in spite of that Tyranitar makes excellent use of the typing due to things the types do beyond their weaknesses, resists, etc, as you have stated.
7:28 FORRETRESS MENTIONED
Seeing ttar drop down to ru in real time after having played pokemon for so many years genuinely feels like watching history in the making
Remember guys! Teammates are everything!
Sand was usually a top two weather through out the generations, but now I think it's third above Snow, which makes me think it won't get much better with the DLC since all of the weathers are getting buffed... Still hoping his friends can bring T-tar back.
I'm imagining the One Piece "I want to live" scene with T-tar is screaming "take me back to OU with you!" and all the sand bros are over the other straw hats lmao
I freaking lovee these uploads
Never would I think the day would come when the FSG, the Agency, and the Doctor are all in one video. Great insight and love the collaboration. Hopefully more to come in the future! Good stuff Kellen! (It’s Kaos from smash)
I was surprised to learn Tyranitar fell to RU
Wow, Sandstream is normally a great ability. I never thought that Sandstream and Snow Warning would hurt a Pokémon's competitive use.
I kinda like this style of "Open discussion/Round Table" like ipdates to Pokemon over entjrely new updated videos. Feels like its maybe minimal editing required too.
Geniuenly as excited to see a conversation about tyranitar as watching a video with four of my favorite pokemon geniuses
Their tone really makes is feel like we're attending Tyranitar's funeral 😂
imagine Garchomp beign NU in gen 10
Kellen hitting us with the goddamn AGENCY ROLLCALL this ep.
Really enjoy the round table style
Minecraft Boi just ended TTars entire career.
Well, GameFreak, you made it. You powercrept Tyranitar
Are you happy now game freak?
Powercrept and simultaneously bullied him relentlessly with an influx of Fighting and Ground types
You guys' talks are more entertaining than every sports podcast put together.
God blast from the past hearing blunder and pokeaim talk, i haven't played showdown or kept up with the meta in years. This was just on my recommended page, makes me want to get back into it, lol.
Seeing how much have changed in gen 9 is just insane.
Power creep didn't do mercy to a lot of the previous gen mons. When I look at ou of this gen and gen 8, or any other meta from this and past gen I remember what Magcarjoe said in his Slowbro video:
"Your role in the tier is temporary. There no kings, there are no eternal warriors. All of you will fall, all of you will suffer."
So i aint the only one feeling that power creep went crazy here? As a boring (and bad) stall player. I just kinda.. dont know. This gen feels so wierd. So ofencive and so many wierd threads. Gen 8 felt better in that regard. Though many thats just me
Weavile went from top tier in OU (and good in Ubers!) to worse than fucking Oricorio
@@carucath97 I feel the same way with Krookodile, my guy fell to ru, and I think that with august update it will go lower.
@@carucath97It got replaced by Chien-Pao, literally does the exact same thing Weavile did and it's such a shame
@@Nighterac that and for some unfathomable reason they neutered it by cutting Knock Off and Triple Axel from its movepool and forcing it to rely on weaker moves