Love, Death, And Robots: The Psychology of Short
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Roberto Fontanarrosa once wrote "the reader is an enemy. Everything in their life pulls them away from your book, the pot of rice being cook on the stove, the bus they have to take to go to work, their partner waiting for them on the bedroom. To make the reader forget those things, to nake him or her burn the rice, miss the bus, or find their partners asleep because they couldn't take their eyes out of the page, is to win the battle"
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@@wolfenstein.3353 un genio, no cualquiera comienza un libro hablando de las virtudes literarias de la frase "puto el que lo lea"
the risk/reward concept in relation to media was fascinating. It's true, I'm often reluctant to invest hours or days into certain books or videogames. But you're right about there being less risk for shorts. No doubt a contributing factor as to why CZcams and it's generally short content is so popular
Yeah, they say ‘If you can’t make your movie good, at least make it short.’
Means that even a bad movie can be enjoyable if it’s speedy.
Your expectations for it is lower, so it has a greater payoff.
Love, Death, and Robots takes that idea, makes good shorts instead, and works to be incredibly inventive and creative.
So yeah.
My only complaint with Love Death +Robots is that season two had half as many episodes as season one
only two less?
Savage Books doing a video on Love, Death and Robots?!?!?!? YAAAAS
Short form storytelling is a staple of science fiction writing since it's inception, it's only natural that an episodic anthology series would be the perfect medium for adapting this tradition.
Indeed
@@HxH2011DRA I'm mostly replying to appreciate the username, but I also agree with the original comment.
@@groofay LOL
@@groofay same the "dickriding" part was unespected and very welcome for me
@@theflashgordon193 I was reading your comment, checked his username, and absolutely lost my mind. 🤣
Love Death and Robots is my comfort series. When I have a few minutes of time, I play an episode and I still find new details years even after watching them multiple times...
Interesting, I think I get how LDR used anthology to create an exciting spectrum that can hook some people but not all people.
does this mean we're getting a "why video game story telling is so good" video
Lol, I didn't know there was something in common in all episodes I loved, it's the Twist!
thanks for making me binge watch the entire show before viewing so i didnt get any spoilers lol, this series was absolutely amazing and one of my new favorite shows of all time.
I love spoilers; they let me know if something is worth watching/reading, and it's fun to look for foreshadowing.
Man I fucking love this show
This was an excellent dissection of how short content is so addictive.
I would love it if you would tackle The Twilight Zone, one of the best television series of all time, and my introduction to the power of speculative fiction. I think it also utilizes a lot of the traits and hooks of short fiction that you highlight here.
i have to say this is the first time i’ve ever paused any commentary video to go watch the series it’s about (if i haven’t already). i was absolutely right up my alley.
the only episode i legitimately considered skipping was the alternative history one simply because i just dont find hitler jokes compelling anymore.
good hunting is one of my favorites simply for the allegory on colonialism and industrialization
blindspot needs to be it’s own show tho. I’d watch the heck out of that
I really love this show, it’s pretty excellent in animation and voice acting, hopefully Netflix will keep it going
Great video, man. I was going to listen to this passively and ended up with my eyes glued to the screen and even pausing at times to think about examples and soak in your info. Great video. Thank you for putting all your time and energy into making this.
TLDW: you didn't like The second season, but youll still watch The third when it emerges.
The only episodes I really liked were Pop Squad and Ice. By contrast, out of S1 the only one I didn't love was Fish Night, which I had straight up forgotten about. I think they might have gone too far into the "Short" aspect of LD+R. Getting at least a couple more interesting episodes in might have put something a bit more memorable in there.
@@Gstrangeman96 Season one set the bar WAY too high. And what was the point of the giant dead man, that shit was stupid
@@biglordebunnyrabbit627 it was about mortality. Even if you were as noteworthy as a big naked alien man, you’re still make of meat and time will march on until you are forgotten (and that’s okay).
11:48 I understand this. I would willingly listen to Savage talk about how much he loves blueberry pancakes is he said it as interesting as she does.
That is pretty much the reason I am subscribed to 90% of the channels I am subscribed to. Good narration can get me to subscribe to a channel about historical tailoring, a topic which a few years ago I never would have believed myself to sped time learning about.
@@Gstrangeman96 That’s one of the things the education system needs to learn- (Emphasis on one, there are several issues) You need to present the topic in an interesting way for kids (And frankly people in general) to be interested in it. This applies to pretty much everything, from media, to space exploration, to tourism.
So yeah.
I love that you talked about experiential stories as poetry. My favorite film is Tree of Life, which is less like a story, and more like a cinematic poem about the experience of loss.
Well, since you mentioned low risk investment structure, The only sad part for me in Season 2 is that none of them were 2D animated. Just goes to show that cartoons take a loooong time to make, but Netflix has a TIGHT deadline
And they need to understand that tight deadline doesnt always transition well into good media. I wasn't disappointed with vol 2, but i didnt feel as "full" as i did from vol 1.
@@Shaathurray Oh yeah, me too. They didn't really "grab" me either. The Christmas stop-motion episode was the one that had the most fun flip the script moment (almost had me), but it's the shortest one- so I was like AWWWW (though it's understandable why).
@@supercyc10 I enjoyed all except Snow, Pop Squad and the drowned giant. Everything else was really fun and fairly engaging. My only real gripe is the length of vol 2. It's only 8 episodes while vol 1 had 18.
I really love this science fiction horror anthology series. Just seeing each individual episode told in a different art style makes it so unique. 3 robots is my favorite Love Death and Robots episode. One of the few funny episodes of this really dark and grim anthology series. 2nd is Shapeshifters. The werewolf fight scene is so badass. ❤☠🤖
I avoid Netflix and video games as it burns up so much precious time which is why I was greatful I discovered this in 2022 and had just one giant line to snort in a single week.
What a series.
You're so eloquent I always leave your videos feeling like I learned something new. Keep up the good work, you're fantastic!
Dude you are such a genius
Wow! Where has this channel been all my life
For me, the payoff on some of these episodes is larger specifically because of how short each episode is. They stick in my head for years, prompting me to re-watch my favorites just to get a hit of that payoff again. Black Mirror does this for me too, but because the episodes are longer and require a greater time investment, the difference between my investment and the payoff is less.
Man, I need to rewatch LD+R season 1. It blew my mind when it came out, and this video really gave me some new context as to why. (Also, I've been writing some short fiction lately, so this was super helpful, thank you.)
First off, great video and great breakdown on why this show is popular. Now, while I understand what you're saying and I do agree overall on the psychology for general audiences, to me, these short stories are the opposite. They are very rarely worth my time, because they are the exact opposite of what I'm looking for. It's why I only made it through perhaps half of the first season of LDAR - this episodic, scattered approach felt unfocused, and my investment in those world felt like a waste of time, because I'd not get any more than just a small glimpse in them. So then, why bother at all?
This is why choosing a book to read is a process in and of itself. Now, maybe those little previews I'm talking about are themselves a short of its own. Maybe it's just the cover, or maybe the summary, or maybe a review somewhere, something that gives me a glimpse into what the books are about, what are the themes dealt with in those stories. I want to see if I'll get something out of it before I put the time investment in, otherwise why bother? There's an absolute multitude of books out there, endless shelves of classics, history and philosophy magnum opii. Do I really have time to try and figure out these one-and-done stories?
Ultimately, I'm into long form stories, deep dives into characters and significant journeys into fictional worlds that have plenty of thought behind them. That's why I'm not the audience for this show, nor short story anthologies in general.
The series is great as it is now. But part of me wants to have about half the shorts to get a movie or a tv show.
Hello! I love all your videos, and I’m feverishly watching as many as I can in a day. They get me through driving around between jobs. I was wondering if you could do a video on what can and cannot be a theme for a narrative? You got me thinking after your video on Arcane.
Thank you for covering love death and robots! It’s my favourite series of shorts and I think it’s really beautiful and brilliant
When you talked about passive and active fiction, I like to continue down that spectrum to talk about things like cooperative storytelling and roleplaying games! The point at which you're being sold a toolset for literally writing your own fiction, not even given a story (and sometimes not even a setting or premise).
Thanks for the video. Really informative. I am going to rewatch the first season.
Fantastic breakdown as always! You have incredible content, keep it up!
I love your work so much!
Yess, missed you buddy!! And missed this series, I absolutely loved both seasons
Very insightful. Has greatly helped with the piece I'm working on
Hey can you maybe do a video about what you can convey well in books (e.g. thoughts) and what you can convey good in movies (e.g. visuals, sounds, etc.)
Great and Educational video!
My main issue with watching the show was, I didn't know which episodes would have sexual violence--not something I'm always ready to watch due to PTSD
Really good point! I'm not opposed to storytellers exploring dark themes but I can see some of it being especially difficult or painful for people with trauma. A warning could help with that.
This channel is awesome man. Been bing watching your entire channel. I have to admit, I've only recently began writing. Quite a lot harder than I imagined. The begining is easy. But as you build your characters, your world, the plot, the sub plots. It's easy to have them overlap and even become seemingly distant from eachother. If that makes sense. Even trying to keep my own lore straight is a challenge. What do you (or anyone on here) recommend learning how to write books? Should I start out smaller? Maybe a short story or something? How do you guys keep your story straight all the while building and expanding on characters, sub plots, and the world itself? I've written over 120 pages JUST on the plot, world, and characters for reference. Not even the actual book. But it still seems difficult lol. I'm only 400'ish pages into the actual book. Idk, any tips or pointers from anyone would be awesome.
I watched the entire two seasons just yesterday, and so glad I did
I always wanted to know your opinion on LDR!! This was a great video, as always
Watching this made me want to go back and watch LDR with a new lense
The problem with black mirror for my dad is that season 5 is listed first for some reason and the first episode of the season was bad
Please do a video about Psychology and Video Games and their narratives.
Thanks a lot for your content and I hope I can support you in Patreon someday.
Savage Books should do a video about Cobra Kai or Invincible.
I say he should do a video about Cobra Kai and not Invincible, since everyone has covered it and the internet is just constantly talking about it.
A Cobra Kai video would stick out of the crowd.
I'm subscribed with the bell and all; didn't see that this came out. I guess youtube doesn't like it
Nice video❤️
I don't have a witty comment, I just watch Savage
The moral of the story... Dont ever microwave fish
Do a video on inside number 9
where can i find that microwave fish video?
The secret war is one of my favorite pieces of media and it was really cool to watch you break down what makes all of love death and robots work on a conceptual level. Great video
The giant man on the beach I experienced it on the edge of my seat. Why? This show doesn't pull any punches so you can expect almost anything to happen. Is this giant gonna turn into a zombie or cause revenge from other giants or spread a disease or make people riot. And nothing happened. Huh.
Doubly strange that it was the last part of the season, given that it's a pretty straightforward adaptation of a JG Ballard story from the 1960's by the same title.
I quite like that nothing happens, it really is just a giants dead body but life still goes on
Me after watching this wanting to rewatch to whole thing for like the 6th time :)
People talk shit about Season 2, Cuz everyone was Hype AF.
But for me who know im going to see is a short films, it was pretty good, especially the fucking santa claus and the fucking droid episodes.
And yes less episodes in this season, thats a kick in the balls, but HEY is "short" storytelling hehehehe.
I think the season could have landed much better just by swapping episodes around. The first ep and last were among the weakest of the bunch, and that does bring the experience down quite a bit, while weaker episodes can be sneaked into the middle to make them less noticeable.
Personally I'd have opened with all through the house and ended with snow in the desert or pop squad- two strong episodes, the first one short and sweet to hook people, and the last one long-ish but traditional with a good emotional payoff.
Season one opened fairly traditional with sony's edge (still had a twist though) and ended traditional again with the secret war, but the point is, these were both pretty strong episodes and I don't really know why season 2 opened with a dud, and finished with a rather nice episode, but one that was a bit lacking in payoff.
@@maximeteppe7627 Well, yes and no, because like this video say, its depends of the "taste" of the viewer.
I like the 1º episode, ok, is not gorgeus animation but is funny and a i like it.
Not my favorite like a say, but i like it, like I like the whales episode to.
For example for me the weakes (for me) are the Snow in the desert, and you for whart i read is one of you favorite.
Like i say the bad thing is the ausence of the next episode in the end.
@@nevilo1 I guess so... BTW, what is it that you found weakest about snow in the desert? Apart from the "revelation" feeling like it had been clearly established before, and the main character's face looking a bit... bland in un uncanny valley kind of way, I felt it had a fairly effective arc (dude is lonely, lady is lonely, they find each other... it works) though I could have just as well recommended the one where procreation is illegal as a finisher.
@@maximeteppe7627 Kinda. Maybe for the "flaws" you mencion, I see the ending in the 1º moment the girl talk, but I see others endings coming before and i like the episodes, movies or books.
I think the piezes dont make "click" for me.
The animation is gorgeus and the short is good, all of them are good, for me is the weakest of them. Others maybe think the giant are the weakest or directaly boring, but is another type complele of narrative.
Can you talk about code geass and its ending?
There is something about science fiction that makes it work so well with short form. Some of my favorite short story collections are collections of science fiction.
So if I'm getting this right, love death and robots has minmaxed gratification?
Season 2 felt lacking...
6:00
This is morbid, but will you narrate my life’s story at my funeral someday?
Savage, I think you neeed to speak. (As in, I need to see Savage Speaks again, it’s been too long since I talked to him casually, stop kidnapping him. [This is a joke, seriously though, take the time you need, Savage.])
Is it just me, or do these themes seem familiar? Perhaps they appear in a certain writer's/editor's/youtuber's videos??
Dust Shorts?
I love this series. The only thing I don’t like is the political after taste people get from watching it.
Hey Savage, just to let you know, the thumbnail has a black bar over it, that doesn’t seem to be necessary to the thumbnail. Just doing it so you notice & you know.
Hmmm, my comment seems to have disappeared. Do you know why?
no video game content?🙃
Mmm... Any Dostoïevsky book has no gratification at all, they are a drag, a pain in the a** to get through, but they are qualified as classics.
I did like the story of Crime and Punishment, it was one of our assigned books in hs, but fucking HELL those DESCRIPTIONS. Though you should try Sienkiewicz for comparison, dude specialized in historical fiction and the footnotes for the translations of his ancient wording often took half a page! That was definitely my worst experience so far
Could you do a video on Apocalypto? One of the best films ever made.
That's... quite an opinion...
Also a quite long film 😂
...If you never saw any other film.
@@AndreNGropo I wouldn't go that far, but definitely a "Meh" movie.
@@PonyCraft I almost thought he meant Apocalypse Now
OK, sure but can we all agree that the yoghurt short is the best one?
Now deep dive the ABCs of Death lmao
honestly i really disliked the show. i watched maybe the first two episodes but couldnt stand it, i found the dialoge to be really unbelievable and the story to be way too obvious. the premise of the first episode was okay maybe, but i honestly dont remember the second episode at all, maybe i didnt even watch it.
fascanating how our opinions about fiction are so alike but our experience with this series was polar opposite.
Second season was terrible. The best episode of the second season was just a discount version of Equilibrium
I agree first season was better but IMO the second one is good too
I didn't like the first season that much. It had a few good stories but I wasn't really into it. I decided to give the second season a chance and I thought it was great, start to finish.
It’s the most misogynistic show ever made
I feel like this is a really capitalist view of storytelling. I'm the kind of person who won't actually watch something until I've intentionally spoiled myself which might be part of the idea that people prefer to determine if a story is worth their time, but I definitely don't think what's discussed here should be spoken about so generally because there are a lot of ways that people enjoy media beyond just what is taught in media courses. It's a good video overall I just feel like it missed some of the nuance of why media is made and how people enjoy it, for example, people who prefer spoilers and find that enhances the experience.
It’s a twenty minute internet video, it’s not a masterclass in business psychology. The vast majority of people are affected in approximately the way he describes, with most nuance being in their actual threshold for whether something is worth there time. If this shouldn’t be spoken about generally, nothing should be. That’s not very useful. Unless you actually have the degrees and experience Savage has, an extremely sophisticated and detailed analysis probably wouldn’t be nearly as effective at communicating the actual point he was making.
As for capitalism... he was talking about marketing and anticipation, that is by necessity a market related discussion. The way something is advertised affects its reception regardless of whether you’re critical of capitalism or not. Ideology is a nonfactor.
I watch them and usually just lament the waste of aesthetic and resources for stories so unsubstantial and pathetically reliant on vulgarisms and cheap gimmicks.