NEW ONEWHEEL GT-S Series // is it worth $3,200???
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2023
- Onewheel just hosted their latest event since "Uncharted" where they unveiled the Onewheel GT and Pint X over two years ago. With "Unleashed" Future Motion announced the Onewheel GT-S Series, ready for purchase and brimming with power. New top speeds, more power in this form factor than ever before accomplished, but will this board shape up to be something worth dropping your months salary on, or will it flop?
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So they didn't address any community concerns regarding transparency and right to repair, but they're releasing another more expensive GT. Wow. I think I'm going with Floatwheel.
💯 agree
Danggg maybe you just cant afford it
@@gregfromen9209 nope. I can’t.
@@gregfromen9209 I travel all the time, so sending it to California for repairs is too much of a hassle
it's not a matter of affordability but rather getting my money's worth - the VALUE in a purchase. Floatwheel comes with 9 HP peak, can get all kinds of different tires, 36 mile range for $1000 LESS than this new GT. Plus, I can repair, upgrade, replace anything on the Floatwheel. Future Motion should do what Microsoft is doing now by embracing the opensource movement - M$ is moving to linux and FM should just embrace VESC and concentrate on selling quality performance parts - better motors, batteries, BMSs, controllers, tires, accessories.
If Future Motion went VESC and came up with a more reliable, cooler, lighter 10-15 HP motor - why wouldn't I buy from them? Step into the 21st century of the opensource movement FM.
$3200! Now that’s insane. That’s EUC territory. And EUC’s will blow that wheel away.
EUCs have come further I'm sure, but they're also just different products. Also weird when people try to compare these (or EUCs) to electric skateboards for example. As far as the specific feel of a OneWheel, why people like it, it's not being blown away at all.
I have both, onewheel GT and a ex30. And I have to say I do love both of them.
@@mongi4435 - Oh you just meant performance-wise and stuff I see. I initially thought you meant that good EUCs just blow away the OneWheel in the video in a general sense, including as far as enjoyment of the product goes.
In that case, from what I hear about EUCs, I agree.
❤
I love Jeff. He’s just a great dude.
Thanks scooby 🙏
The best part of this video is that gorgeous Husky. He or she was rolling around playing, and had no care in the world about the new GTS!
That's Leela. She cool 🐶
You read my mind.
$3200 is almost as much as my buddy's electric dirt bike (i think about 4500)!
Honestly, for that much money I'm going with the bike...
It's got a conversion kit to turn it into a snow bike too!
This does seem awesome, but with the other boards you guys have been showing, I'm still skeptical.
Can't wait to see the videos you guys do on this thing, cuz I'm kinda secretly hoping the competition is better anyway
lol I have a talaria and a GT. I’m upgrading. Some of us can afford both. 3200 is not the end of the world. I paid 2552 with tax for my gt with fender and treaded tire.
There it is! Thank you!! Simply state that you secretly want the competition to come out on top. Spoiler alert tho, all the competition is in the 3rd row of the van… again…
@@markaprill6501 it’s not about being able to afford it, it’s about giving this horrible company $3200…. I have a Surron, a talaria, and a GT…. My next board definitely won’t be a FM product, just can’t support a company that consistently poops on their customers and the community.
@@markaprill6501 why is that something to brag about?
Not everyone has thousands of dollars laying around...
I've been rocking a Onewheel since the +
hitting trails that most won't touch.
It's unfortunate that they'd make it out of reach for so many of us that have been with them since back then
@@dezh2544 well, it wasn't exactly secret if I said it now was it.
I wouldn't feel that way if they hadn't made the dang thing so expensive.
Like I mentioned, my friend's dirt bike is way more badass for that kind of money.
I love the float life but it can't take trails like the bike, where you can confidently cruise at 40 or 50 without the fear of just face planting into death
Something Vesc has that FM will never... is right to repair
12:57 - This was my exact reaction. I assumed 84v, but that bar just kept climbing. 📊
$3200... shhhheeeeeshhh. Seems pricey for a overall smaller battery pack. The new motor better be gold because competition is heating up. I think $2,800 would have been a better price point. I also noticed the GT and Pint X each took a $100 jump, but inflation is real (I guess). I'll probably stick with the VESC build. Could you imagine spending $3200 on board without the right to repair it yourself? Yikes.
I really want to see a GT-S vs Floatwheel ADV vid. I was so impressed with the torque and ease of curb nudge with the ADV. And if the motor will be as loud (I like loud lol).
40 miles per hour wipe outs? Carnage.
My thoughts as well. I’m honestly really happy with my xr and see no need to upgrade anytime soon.
😂😂😂 Indeed!
@@AaronNovak1prolly smart the value might go up too because they stopped selling to for no reason
I nose-dived at around 25-ish a couple of weeks ago... I still am not walking right. I'll ride again, but I don't think my collarbone and knee will ever be the same. The skate gloves and helmet did their job though... Stupid me wasn't wearing knee pads. Gear up!
@@AmericanSmallArmsafter speed wobbling at 23 I am done with those sorts of speeds 😂
Every model change just bump up the price by a thousand. - FM probably
For less range and top speed nobody sane will reliably hit and 2 lbs. If it was a major reduction in weight or increase in speed that'd be one thing. They went in the wrong direction on one handed and didn't go far enough on the other
$3,200 is crazy lmao. You can get high end EUCs that do 50 mph and give you 50 mile range. Specs don’t add up..
Really happy to see this come out of FM. This is perfect for races because you don't typically need range at a race, just high performance for a short duration. Still though, history has proven that it will become more restricted over time whenever they feel like dropping another forced update. What do you guys think, 6 more months or a whole year before the next "Series" model comes out with the 6" hub?
Gonna be really interesting to see how much traction this board actually gets. $3200?? Floatwheel ADV Pro is under $2k, for $3200 you could get 2x suspension EUCs. Like, a pair of V11s or Masters on sale with double the range and power. $3200 you could buy an XR, replace literally all the parts to customise the snot out of it as a VESC, and still have cash to splash. Heck, you could buy a stock GT and VESC it for that money. That's Patton, T4, S22 Pro price bracket. Nuts. My prediction is you're gonna see ORL guys who don't wanna ride Open running these, and not many other people.
The truth
that's sur ron money. Can't even compare a onewheel to a rur ron or other high performance ebike or euc.
T4 is GT money brah, give me $10000 and I’ll have a design anyone can copy to make a vesc version of the gt-s for probably less than 3200 lol
@@1676sepa sounds like the sensor is faulty. I think these race boards should have the foot sensors removed and replaced with a mechanical type switch with cord like Jetskis have.
@@1676sepa It blew up? The float wheel?
FM is high as hell charging that much. Seriously. I spend a lot on my hobbies, whether its building high end pc's, motorcycles, guns, but this price point just boggles the mind.
Wait til you see how much high end mtb is lol
PLEASE get one asap. I CANNOT wait to watch you guys break that board down and shred it. I got a pint, I can't afford that shit! But I hope to see Jeff and bhodi testing it's limits in a video soooooooon❤
Well Bodhi is gone so you aren't going to see him and Jeff together in a video
Bohdi Rips that's obvious but I have 0 respect for a scumbag that hits on people's girlfriends. I wish you'd do that front of me cause he'd be minus a few teeth
@@0skyking079bye! I've always felt that his personality was awful. For you guys, you guys are down-to-earth. Dorky people that we can all relate to. And this kid thinks that he is so great. And after hearing the way he hit on. My buddy's girlfriend at a race. Made me want to just trip this kid next time I see him. I'm not trying to talk about your people that way. But you guys have always been down-to-earth and amazing with your videos. And he acts like some priclk who's too good for anybody. Because he can ride a one wheel period what else does he have to offer? Cause his personality sucks, hes a total dork in a bad way. And again, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
@@milesonewheelwinter Type that anger away bud, good stuff that's obvious. 👌
"they never let me in the front doors once, they're not going to let me know"- Jeff 😂
Joey Z built a 24s2p monster back in July? He was the first to go 100+ volts.
After all you have done in promoting and supporting the sport and after having purchased I imagine quite a few of their products, they get you to wait in a cafe. They should welcome you with a glass of Champagne.
They believe us to be competition so I guess they want to meet on neutral ground or something 🤷♀️
Love hearing the perspective from experts. Please get one for you guys to test!
they orderd one already, I'd assume
Oh my beloved FM, will you please BUZZ 🐝 off already?!
They forgot the P and O in front of the S!
This is my wakeup call to get my ass together and put my vesc together this winter, ive had a sf hub and wtf varials waiting for me to get in gear...
Pausing it @16:00 is hilarious. I made the same face when I heard the price XD
I'm sorry that I'm new to the onewheel community and all i could afford in time and money was a gt with your guys' accessories. I don't have enough time/money to be an expert and build my own vesc or floatwheel. I think its super fun for my first board. I hope you guys don't antagonize me for that 😅
Floatwheels are much cheaper than FM wheels that's for sure, that being said, it's all love in the community when it comes to floating. Enjoy the GT !
Spendy upgrade from GT. Will they show duty cycle in the software any time soon?
At the price range... Build a Vesc.
Buy 2 floatwheels and bangs and still have some $ lett over
And tinker around with junk? Nah bruh. I’ll stick with something that is going to roast competition right out the BOX
"you know, i am wayyy too stressed. I'm having a beer"
Me too Keaton, me too
Very curious of the performance of this pack. Can't wait to see VESC users build equivalament packs and put them to the test! 🤙🤙
Vescing is pretty pointless now. Think of all the goals vesc had at the start. Somehow they changed their goal from just riding their way to trying to beat out FM. But the thing is FM keeps putting you in your place 😬
¿por qué no los dos?
@dezh2544 Since when did being the first to pioneer new tech become “being put into place”?
The people in the open source vesc community developing control software and hardware basically for free as a passion had pretty much all of these features years ago.
And why hate on someone’s “garage project” even if it’s shitty. It just makes you and asshat in this small OW community. These people dedicate their own free time to developing open source software and knowledge for you and everyone. Just because you don’t understand (or rather are too arrogant to learn) the software, EE, and mechanical skills to make a passion project good, does not diminish the value of their work.
Better yet, thanks to vesc, if I decided I wanted a different battery, I could just do
it without bricking my board cuz I actually own it 🤷♀️.
But I get it bro, you’ve never experienced the joy of actually creating anything by yourself, so instead you throw $3200 at it so you can have the latest and greatest to flex on randos who’ve actually taken the time to learn more skills than you.
@@yeeboi1513 ah, if only you would go back to the beginning and realize even you my friend are built off the back of Kyle and FM. Without them, who knows what electric scooter you’d be rocking. I’m going with Razor 🤔 But anyway, Vesc people be constantly fighting for their recognition but the rest of us just buy and ride on out of the box. It’s the sweet life 😌
But to each their own. May your wires never fry
@@dezh2544 funny. Since we have boards that we can tune exactly how we want them and ride better then FM garbage 😂 and can actually go up a hill 😂
Pretty wild and surprising release.
We will see about speed and how much you can sustain and how much pushback they will put out.
for those of us familiar with euc's, esk8t, and e-bikes, this price is very reasonable.
My biggest question and reason I would buy is if your new MTE 5” hub works fine 👀 I’m here for all the extra power I can get out of the GT platform. Save speeds of 25mph is nice. I hope and wish they would of addressed some of the concerns from the community like XT60s and cheap plugs breaking/axel strength. (I know y’all got us on most of this stuff already)
Your reviews and thoughts are similar to mine. Nice hoodie, thanks for repping! Bring those VESCs and GTS to Winman 2024 to see if they can keep up with Nico!
GTS will make Nic look absolutely silly. Especially with the number of hours he’s put into his garage project…
@@dezh2544 believe it or not Nico is a big part of the reason we are getting this board now. If it wasn’t for his and others progression of VESC they would’ve held on to this even longer.
@@DoobiesStokeShop could be true. But answer me this, what will Nico do now? What will many Vesc users do now? I thought the goal was to force FM to innovate. Now they have. In fact, they have made something more powerful than any Vesc rig out there… So what now? The truth is whether this board is everything everybody wanted or not the Vesc users will continue to live by their arrogance. Cool part is, when they still stick to their old rigs they’ve spent countless hours tinkering with, they are going to lose a lot of races 😎 FM has just majorly flexed 🫶🏽
@dezh2544 Gobbled up all that FM copium lmao
That dude is an absolute clown. Can't tell if he's a troll or if he really believes the nonsense he's spewing.@@lipasfriends
I’ve been done with FM for awhile now. Just waiting for a new competitor
Can’t wait for the review.
Been waiting for this video all day 😂
Floatwheel here I come !
This was more fun than watching the actual release~!~ Can't wait to see how it turns out, what needs to be done and how much more you have to spend to make it a decent ride. I always tell people, yeah, you can get a GT, drop another $1K and it's almost as much fun as my 4209 with W's and Kush Lo's....
ikr, the price of these boards keep going up. The sport is really fun and the spirit of competition keeps things interesting.
Love the commentary!
Awesome channel and company guys 💯
3200 is pretty ridiculous, but its pretty interesting to see i have to say. cant wait to see them in the wild, dont know if anyone is gonna get one near me though.
I just got into watching the 1wheel races. The crashes are the best part 😀
👀 im looking
I have seen 2 or 3 gts in the wild out of about a dozen. I have and love my GT but I cannot justify this price for what you get out of the S. I doubt more than 5% of current/future riders adopt this platform and that seems really generous
Thanks guys . Enjoyed this
Robert just showed his brain. He literally guessed exactly what they did down to the T.
Jeff I need some OT 😅😂
As much as you want my guy!
Great job talking over the whole announcement and leaving both audios on sheesh
As soon as I watched this video I went and made a deposit on the adv. my og Gt is just fine
Imagine buying to stay behind 😬
@@dezh2544 behind what? A board that still has haptic buzz and pushback at 24 while I can cruise at 30+ without either and for 1500$ less
Welcome to the floatwheel family brother 🤙
@@dezh2544 Could you Stan any harder?
I can’t wait for the breakdown comparison of the gt to the gt-s. We’ll be able to reverse engineer the S and mod the GT to have same specs with longer battery life
Wow this is good insight. Hope you are right
Two guys in our group already ordered one. Probably gonna pull the trigger next week. I’m curious how it does with heat dissipation compared to the stock GT.
Do you know if they’re working on a new version of the Onewheel pint
6.66 rim! I’m dyin. Great video man I wish they would’ve changed a few things but I guess fm knows what’s best :/
Im surr you guys are gonna get at least one, can I come down to the shop and test ride it vs Jeffs VESC so i can decide on which route to go next? Im in Sac, was just with yall on the halloween group ride, had a great time and thabks for puttin that on!
Well with custom shaping to adjust the angle of WTF rails and bangs coming up... might be a super (expensive) board.
So..had a change of mind and snagged up a Series S. Shipped today! Wooohoooo!
Checked the WIKI before and it was updated before as well
I'm honestly happy with my og GT
Wow! They really don't like u Jeff, you're the best guy this community has to offer. The audacity of that company.😂😂😂
That Drip..... Hoodie on point.
2:16 I'm here for the FM is evil side jabs. Until they prove otherwise. Too many times have they took jabs at the community that supports them. This is the epitome of an abusive relationship
Volts does not equal speed. Power (watts or hp) comes from volts x amps. If they are amp limited but not voltage limited, increasing voltage is an easy way to generate more power. As a onewheel plus owner im not a fan of future motion rn, but lets not forget the rules of electricity. Also, a lower capacity battery at a higher voltage can last just as long at the same power draw levels as a lower voltage higher capacity battery
The plus model has 50 amp discharge cells inside, I could be wrong. I think FM is very cautious about battery safety and believes in keeping the battery in check.
The reason, as a plus owner, that I'm not happy with future motion is because they issued a recall (which was stupid anyways because it's an accepted risk when riding a onewheel that if you go past pushback you're gonna fall) and offered us only 100 dollar voucher to upgrade to a onewheel that supports the haptic feedback. I don't have any complaints about the plus lol
@@xXsnowboardaXxwow, that sucks. And also doesn't surprise me in the slightest!
Love that Winman Enduro hoody on you! You should come out an join us next year Jeff!
Sold. See ya there!
@@TheFloatLife Well dang that was easy! Now how about coming and joining us snow riding??
I was really hoping it would be $2800 because it's definitely worth it for that price. But $3200 is a bit too much, especially when you gotta get two of them. (That's about the price of the privacy fence I want 😬)
are you guys going to do a video on the CBGT battery upgrade from chi anytime soon? curious about it.
Funny how this release gives the standard GT a better image.
4:45 hahaha that got me
love u guys 🤙🏾 let's get another digital leveling hack & slap in some WTF's, among other TFL accessories❗️
Heard it’s pretty likely the wtfs fit the GTS since it’s compatible with oem Gt accessories
@@Brandonogs heard that too. just gotta get back the re-leveling hack & we're golden 🤞🏾🤞🏾 ✨️
For that price you can buy TWO floatwheel adv pro AND 2 sets of bang bumpers ( cause you know the bangs are what you want on any board ) what happened here is FM bought a float wheel and disected it and copyd it. 113 v ÷3.7v ( cell ) = 30.54 tgis means its likely a 2p 30s setup. Lets vs honest, they spent as little as lossiblle so its likely they updated the wire thickness and motor plug and did little else. That pushback drag jeff is talking about is why im recovering a broken scapuka atm. 30,0000km exp, it was user error but id be stoked to have a bigger overhead for this scenario
If they actually copied the Floatwheel then it’ll be worth the money. Instead they did exactly what Tony suggested in his video by upgrading the electronics then rolled out a wallet raping new price.
@@Zetleryeah that's true.. I would never give fm another $$ floatwheel or vesc an xr would be my first option presently .,
Likely 27s (4.2*27)
I'd love to work for y'all, seems like a rad workplace
I don't want to be cynical, but man, maybe I wouldn't have purchased a GTS the second it came online if my GT still let me go 26mph... but aw well lol. But wow, a little less weight, more giddy up to fly around corners with, FM's shaping and finally a top speed of 25 sounds good to me. Its is interesting, I've met a ton of riders who have never gone faster than 17mph. If you're just looking to cruise around and you're not a trail rider the GT still seems like a great board. I'm keeping in mind that FM has stated that somehow, someway, the haptic buzz on older models including the GT, will be disableable. I would try a VESC but I just don't have the time or patience to monkey with DIY right now. I need to be buying solutions, not problems at this stage!
Vesc is definitely buying problems. Good wording. You’ll just end up making a board that can’t beat out a stock FM board.
@@dezh2544 and I don’t mean to harsh on anyone who’s rocking a VESC. But it’s not for me
I hit 28.6mph on my GT after haptic buzz update and I’m 185lbs 🤔
Something’s up with you lol
@@destruxandexploze2552 pushing through the buzz just feels bad! I don’t like the noise and the vibrations can’t be good for the board
Seriously? Once i get vesc ADV pro setup, and learned how I wanted the settings, I haven’t “monkeyed” with anything since the first week.
The raised the price of the normal GT too 😭😭😭😭
give HER a podcast XD she is FULL of them XD. fun watch-along thanks
I can get a high quality foldable electric bike for the cost of that. That’s their biggest downfall, the pricing. FloatWheel is half the price for excellent performance
That's how much I paid for my KTM 450 and I know which one of the two I'd pick literally every single time. BRAAAAP
I got a pint X, and I’m a6’5”. I’m getting into trail riding and I think I’m maxing out the motor with my weight 215-220. Do you think the high performance would make a difference for gts? I nose dive my first week at 17mph cause I didn’t know what push back was and my range is lol 30% lower…. Kind of concerned about safety for me riding but I love it
Def need to upgrade. GT should be fine for you tho bro. I mean if you got the bread the gts def sounds more fun but I’ve owned a pint, pint x , XR and gt. gt is a fine board and should get you what you need.
Yewwwwww TFL for life baby
I don’t know man, everything is expensive now! It comes down to, do I want one? Answer is yes I do! So guess I gotta work a couple OT days! $3200 for is one of my least expensive hobbies!
I'll hold on to the GT for now until the price drop in about 3-5 years....I hope 😢. Nice board fosho tho!
Surprised no comments on Dorksen's hat trick. That bill belongs on a duck.
🤞 your 5inch hub fits
Floatwheels are about to crush the fm market. I like my GT but if I could go back in time I wouldn't go with an fm board.
Yeah idk, onewheel is just so much more accessible for the normal person. People forget that the average rider isn't the major enthusiasts like most people on this channel. The whole crypto only thing and requiring more hands on effort turns many people away.
Most people just want something that works out if the box, is easy to learn, and has a good interface.
People who think floatwheel is going to crush FM are delusional.
You can't even finance the floatwheel and you need to pay for it using shitcoin networks, in full.
After this you need to wait 1-3 months to get it in two different boxes and spend 1-5 hours building and programming the thing.
The GT-S gets to your house in a week, ready to go no setup required.
The GT-S also weighs 10+ pounds lighter than a floatwheel.
Floatwheel is cool but the GT-S blows it out of the water in nearly every way except for price 😂
Yep doin it.... good job fellas...
Fm's desperate attempt to stay relevant while vesc is becoming more mainstream
This.. so much this.
Yea, only issue is the price, you cant compete with vesc on price by going in the opposite direction :p I went vesc just for the price of a build
It’s their last ditch money grab before they go by the wayside lol
@@HSterlingCross😄🤷🏾♂️
Do their attempts make you wonder if it was all worth your effort. Right when you thought you had your board juuuust how you wanted it.. BANG! Your board is getting smoked by FM’s latest stock board. Ouch 🤕
Have fun tinkering some more
Cool Beans!!
Go buy it and test it it’s nice I have a GT and love it, but if I had extra money laying around I would buy the s model as a second board and I can cruise at 24 miles per hour and not worry about push back and have that’s extra power I. Reserve, guys just buy it make
Some videos on please
they will
I'm that 20 mph guy, but I'm not going to pull the trigger on it with that price point.
I will explore that new front footpad though.
Huge difference between 20 and 25 😅😅 I know since I have gotten 23 and felt like I was gonna die lol
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 I feel ya. I've hit 21 on both GTs and 20.6 on my XR. Terrified. I prefer the 17-19 mph space, where I'm in the zone. Something about that magic 20+ zone that just makes me feel fragile
@@SeanPaulNotTheSingerthat isn't a feeling. It's an understanding of physics lol.
I'd be curious about studies but I'd bet the severity of injury increases semi exponentially with speed. Going 15 and eating it might mean a broke collarbone. Going 20+ may literally mean death lol
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722, wildly, the two crashes that sent me to the hospital were both under 10 mph. The big ones that were 16+ mph? Mostly ran out and a tumble at the end. It was the slow ones that were straight up slams. The 9 mph one resulted in my humerus being broken in four places. The 6 mph one was just a bruised body
WOW!! 🔥🔥🔥🤙🏾🤙🏾
6.66 LOLLL my guy too funny
The GT is also 100$ more now!
Im confused are the rails the same crap or cnc aluminum?
All Onewheel rails are CNC aluminum
Austen doesn't overheat boards?
Yeah he does for sure. I was just thinking of the Clydesdales mainly having the issue. U right 🤘
I wanted to grab a 60lb vest and take the board to race speeds but the thought of falling with plates or something similar didn't sit well. These boards definitely produce less heat but we'll see what that actually means for racing in the summer heat. In my attempts to overheat the motor I only got it up to 160°
@ 4:30 Jeff made his $20 bucks. 🤣😂🤣
💸💸💸
Only 3180 to go
I feel like they priced it to price out beginners. Most people who are buying with no experience I think would shy away from $3200+.
Ueah they dont want a noob falling over 20mph and getting killed.
for that price, I can get a PEV that goes 3 times as fast, as well as 4 times as far... and still be exceptionally fun.. the FM pricing has gone bonkers..
VESC is the future.
The real question is will the 5" hub work with the GT-S stator?
We’ll know soon enough!
How can you still throw dubs on? Doesn't the new digital shaping not allow digital leveling?
Sure you can’t digital shape it but that doesn’t make dubs completely inrideable and with custom you can do a 3deg nose tilt. The nose tilt in custom isn’t as good as digital leveling but it works well enough for general riding and off-roading, mostly only bothers trick riders.
@@steezli8993or if you ride backwards at all, it's a weird feeling like hitting extreme push back going 2mph with a full battery.
@@steezli8993 You mean a poor mans tilt kit?
All the speculation about how much cheaper it's gonna be 20 minutes before the price shock of the year is hilarious.
Also they raised the price of all the other boards by $100. Which given the recall credit is even more insulting.
Im with the girl, the S is for suck(ers).
Yeah, higher voltage than my VESC? Damnit fm, I had to get one.
Voltage doesn't accelerate you more. amps Is the electron flow. Voltage is electrical pressure, so it will have more potential.
Bruh they got you over to Vesc. Don’t waste time with that stuff. It’ll keep you a step behind FM always 😬You’ll doom yourself to years of following FM, and trying to convince yourself you made the right choice. It’s a dark and lonely path.
@@dezh2544 FFM
@@dezh2544 Bro... you frothy for FM all over TFL channel, tf 😂
I wish they had gone all in on a race board super light super fast way more torque with maybe 10-15mi range. Really set it apart from the GT as a Ferrari
Honestly, then no one would buy it. 10-15 miles is really terrible. It'd literally only be good for ORL riders.
@@ironpizza5150nobody will buy the S. A race board is not a good idea as a product. The GT feels weird over 20mph and barely anyone hits those speeds anyway. They need to make a board that is comfortable to ride the ranges they already achieve. 30mi on the GT is pain after a while. They should lean into a medium to long range board that feels good, longer, still gets decent speed, and is at an accessible price point (sub 2.5k) Anything more than that and people are forced to choose between a board or an EUC with basically universally better specs
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 EUCs have universally better specs at nearly every price point of onewheel so that points out the window. People who already have onewheels are most likely not making a sudden transition bc they realized that eucs are cheaper. They got people hooked, released haptic, and not they come out with a board better than the predecessors in every way. There's a shit ton of people who just want the latest and greatest.
@@ironpizza5150I agree with you latest and greatest point but from my perspective I was debating between the GT and an EUC without ever riding either. That 1000 dollar difference between the GT and GTS would have been enough to send me over to the EUC side. I get the GT exists but they raised the price on that too! Lol
You can buy a used Honda grom for the gt-s with shipping & taxes. My XR is looking real good still haha
WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF POOR BART! 😩😂
So they basically kept the same GT frame, didn't have to change much but charging $3500 after tax for a new board. It's a GT with some new internals just like you guessed!
Keep in mind $3200 IS WITH THE RELEASE DISCOUNT it's more after the promo period ends.
Not really true. The release discount is only for the bundles. The deal is you get the fender bundle for base price.
@@ironpizza5150I bought the full sensor bundle
I think everyone is missing the real point of the extra voltage.
I don't think it has anything, at all, to do with higher top speed. That doesn't even make any sense! It's only 8KPH higher, FFS! That could have been done at a much lower voltage, with a much less expensive battery. People still think 20MPH is quite fast (which, TBH, is rather… precious to the EUC and eSkate community, but eh…). Going faster, while it'll make a very small niche sector of the market cream their pants, won't sell all that many boards, especially at $3k+.
From an electrical engineering point of view, the real purpose is obvious: this is about the CPSC findings and the threat of an actual, real recall. First, it should be noted that their current solution, the stupid app and firmware update, with haptic feedback and the annoying buzz, does NOT, in any way, shape, or form, actually solve the issue that prompted the recall. This is because the issue with people being catapulted off boards that spontaneously fail and nose dive is NOT because the riders ignored existing safety features and pushed through and past pushback, beyond the nominal top speed of the boards. Rather, the issue is seen in times when the board is well below push back threshold, and fails spontaneously, just shutting off power to the motor with NO advance warning, and catapulting the unsuspecting rider off the front! This can be triggered in situations where the rider is exceptionally heavy, or carrying a load, and then attempts to accelerate, even from a very low speed, even a very small amount, uphill. The ESC then calls for a significant Amperage bump that the battery/BMS can not put out, and instead of "doing its best" the ESC, just like when the recharge exceeds the battery voltage, responds by simply shutting off entirely! I have had this happen to me on several occasions, e.g., when I (a pretty light 69-71kg) was carrying a very heavy backpack loaded with groceries, and going VERY slowly up a slight incline. As the terrain shifted just a bit, and the incline increased just a few degrees or so (and of course with a large number of people who just happened to be watching!) the board simply failed, seemingly out of nowhere. No pushback, nothing. Just completely shut off the motor, sending me flying off the front of the board onto my face (and then getting hit by my groceries from behind to add insult to injury).
By increasing the voltage headroom WAY above the pushback threshold, and, I can almost guarantee, way above even the top wattage output the ESC will produce, they have gotten around this safety issue, not by rewriting the ESC firmware and FOC motor control code with some different methodology of dealing with these edge cases, but by just moving the edge case. The significantly higher voltage allows the motor control circuitry to always be able to force even the most persistent rider to back off when they attempt to go too fast, because now it has enough power to force even the heaviest rider to lean back, as well as giving the ESC the headroom necessary to (hopefully) remove the edge cases like that described above, where the ESC/BMS/battery simply can not output enough power to instantaneously respond to the data coming in via the sensors, and thus responds by simply failing outright! A the higher voltage, the ESC can now through a huge Amperage spike at the motor in these edge cases, preventing the ESC from shutting off power to the motor and keeping the rider upright and on the board.
This is just basic electrical engineering, things kids learn in like the first semester after they declare their EE major, and not exactly a secret.
The real issue is that there is a series of bugs and flaws in the firmware and hardware of all current Onewheels that FM is not trying to address (possibly because it is a very intractable and difficult issue to troubleshoot; just look at the time and difficulty surfdado and others in the VESC community had in trying to isolate and solve the nose hunting issues while going over planked surfaces) or perhaps that they just don't recognize even exists (it does) convinced in their intellectual superiority and that the issue is related to rider error (pushback being ignored) and being too shortsighted and arrogant to even recognize an actual flaw in their hardware and code.
I.e., this is the board they should have designed from the get go, and the board that was forced by the CPSC ruling, and the one they hope to migrate to over time, so that any real recall that occurs (once the CPSC figures out the the current joke from FM doesn't actually solve the real world problem) they will only by forced to recall a small number of actual existing boards, as most XRs, Pints, and GTs will have outlived their battery service lives and will not be being ridden. This "solves" the problem by brute force bypassing the edge cases that cause it in the first place, not actually finding and addressing the actual problem.
This is the only way the jump to such a high Voltage makes any sense (especially given the merely modest performance bump the GT-S has over the GT, especially relative to the added cost.
But all that said, I suspect the new cases and complaints to the CPSC will start pretty quickly from those who still have Pints, XRs, and GTs who have catastrophic failures, some of which lead to deaths, that promoted the first recall, even after the firmware update is forced on them, and the S-series will not be able to prevent that.
Rant over.