Do or Don't: Sons of Behemat
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0:00 - Intro
0:56 - Background Lore
5:39 - Lore Positives
8:50 - Tabletop Positives
15:07 - Lore Downsides
17:06 - Tabletop Downsides
22:01 - Conclusion
22:41 - Foul
Music:
Age of Mythology - The Ballad of Ace Lebaron, Slaysenflite, Adult Swim, Hoping for Real Betterness, Flavour Cats, In a Pile of Its Own Good, Eat Your Potatoes
Rise of Nations - Dark Forest - Hry
I’m more of an Ogre than a Giant guy but respect to the biggest lads in town.
A brexit geezer is a brexit geezer
I was thinking of adding some to my gloomspite army
Agreed
So…I’ve been working on a Warhammer/Overlord crossover in which the main concept is that Ainz and Nazarick are replaced by Warhammer Characters called Overlordhammer Fantasy Battles.
Would I recommend reviewing it? If anything, if it sucks, you could have a funny video making fun of it.
Or just ignore this comment, you don’t have to
HeyWoah is that you?
"I wish our myths were half as interesting as this" no one tell him that like half our myths are exactly like this
Or that they stole half of their myths from real world myths
Or that there is only a *very* small amount of fantasy in general that is entirely original and not just adapted or stolen from a myth.
Really myths are the most original fantasy because they are not inspired (mostly) by wanting to create a fake world, but by rationalizing the real world
@@brunop.8745The whole mythology is like 70% as crazy as one Norse myth
greecian mythology is wack. zeus, the leader and judge/jury of the gods literally fucks anything that moves. the god of the underworld is honestly a pretty chill dude and is the coolest part of the myths.
don't even get me started on lord of the rings lore either. Sauron is basically an allegory for stalin's """industrialization""" attempts on the USSR that literally drained an entire fucking lake, and there is a whole prequel series called the Silmarillion that is the most cool and interesting backstory for a setting i've ever heard. Tolkien was on something (probably PTSD induced nightmares from his time in the trenches) when he wrote this shit out
The giant divine cow found a big ass salt lick and went to town on it. And that is how the father of the Aesir was born.
Hera was breastfeeding one of her children who happened to be teething, he bit down on her titty and it FUCKING EXPLODED!! Creating all the me starts in the night sky
Zeus sewed a baby into his ballsack so that the baby could form, he used his ballsack as a makeshift womb. I don’t remember why Hera couldn’t have unbirthed the kid, but there you go.
Loki is the mother of Slepnir, Odins 6 legged horse becaue he tempted away a man’s prize horse by transforming into a mare and leading it away… and apparently the prize horse got the better of him.
PancreasNoWork: I hate khorne. He's dumb and one-note smashy-killy.
Also PancreasNoWork: I love gargants. They're dumb and one-note smashy-killy.
The garbage didn't crush his.eldar.
Yeah but giants are fucking rad
@@radicallarry7044 oh of course. Don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on our resident elf simp, I'm just funning.
Compliment vs harassment
I think he hates khorne especially because they have a great immunity to psychic/magic powers. The sons of behemat are tanky, yes, but you are able to range them down; of course depending on the army you play.
I love how in lore that in order to talk to a gargant to hire them as a mercenary you have to talk to them at eye level (which usually involves climbing to the top of a mountain) because they refuse to bend down.
"A journey of a thousand leagues is literally a stroll around the block for us..." --Unnamed Philosopher Giant
"Philosopher giant" Huh?
"A Journey of a Thousand Miles is taken in a single step"
I love that the trials of Behemat feels like a retelling of the labors of Hercules with a titanic Mr. Bean as it's protagonist
I love massive unit armies if only because they feel like a boss fight for the opponent, no matter who wins, it’ll be a goddamn spectacle in your mind’s eye.
A lot of people get salty over bigger armies, but it feels cool to have your guys slay some big ass monster.
They also look cool on the table in general
It's said that Behemat fathered 4 children. Each would go on to become the first Beastsmasher, Gatebreaker, Kraken-Eater, and Warstomper.
Their names were Fe, Fi, Fo, and Fum, respectively.
I don’t know if that’s a joke or not and it’s glorious
Could be both. Warhammer has had many silly punsm
This faction represents the Imperial system perfectly, everything is about when and how to make sure your opponent knows about your feet fetish
Gross
The first time I told a buddy that his support character was just dead with no save, because my giant high rolled and successfully stuffed him into a sack, he kind of looked at me confused and then started laughing and asked to see the warscroll.
"Oh wow...yeah. He's just dead"
"Yup, he's in the bag now"
"He's in the bag now yeah, look at that."
He truly is in the bag now
Truly one of the moments of all time
oh yas, was one of the funniest games i ever played,didnt know the army or their rules and im quite new to aos,so i play nighthaunts and he stuffed one of my ghosty boiz in his bag (how this works? i dun know,whats that bag made of dun know but i was quite flabbergasted)...he showed me the scroll and i had to laught so hard i was wheezing, i lost but damn was this a fun game
now i'm just imagining something like that happening to Nagash or something
@thejuiceking2219 it can't happen to nagash, as big/monster characters mainly have a rule that doesn't allow them to be autokilled by things like that
The part about Giants stomping 1 dwarf so hard they all become short reminds me of the one Nordic myth where Loke decided to annoy Tor as a fish. In response Tor squeezed him so fucking hard that every fish that has, was and will be now have the shape they have now.
This inspires much happiness in me.
Nobody tell Tor about Sunfish
Didn't Loki and Heimdall once fight while transformed into seals?
The lore if this faction is heavily inspired by Norse mythology, I don't think this is a coincidence.
I’m perpetually in a state of “maybe” when it comes to making an army of the chungus lords because they’re just cool enough for me to want to but buying making and painting those minis is just enough for me to doubt the desire
You can actually play a smaller Gargant in games of warcry this way you don't have to spend and paint too much for your first try.
though you'd have to ally them with another destruction faction like orgers or orks.
You can just buy one...they basically work as freeblades in aos. But specific ones are locked to specific alliances...so yeah
For the price of a mega gargant you could get a Perfect Grade model Gundam, just saying.
@Boomy's Woodertag yeah but you are forgetting that Gundam is fucking gay
I wouldn't give GW any money. Print em.
You can get four foot statues for the cost of these Fking models.
And a high end printer is LESS then one.
10:43 I thought the death grip ability would enable them to make experimental hip hop with a cult following.
Ha!
I GOT THE FEVER
My army finally being talked about. Yes!!!!
PNW: I hate strategy! I just wanna smash stuff!
Also PNW: God I hate Khorne so much.
Khorne insists upon himself
@@pancreasnowork9939 Family guy reference?
The perfect army for all the foot connoisseurs out there to identify with.
3D printed Daughters of Behemat army with suspiciously detailed feet
Funny how you said "the imperial knights of Aos", considering that i wanted to convert a Imperial Knight and play it as a mega-gargant mercenary for my Cities force (as a giant dwarf construct, but i never got around doing it for lack of, effectively, how to do it).
You ever read nemesis the warlock, it’s an old 2000ad, it had a character from another story the abc warriors turn up in it. This robot called mek quake just like to do “big jobs” which involved smashing and maiming,
When he turns up in nemesis his ai has been put into a giant robot that’s a cross between a titan and one of those medival siege towers, with ramps that release from his legs and chest to release all the warriors embarked, it’s awesome,
If you want some insoirtstion try find the image Kevin O’Neill drew of mek quake dueling another assault tower robot thing,
I’d recommend all Kevin oniells artwork on nemesis the warlock, it’s fantastic and totally unique
That’d be cool as hell
When it comes to the boby diversity problem, the reason the knights get a pass most of the time is because they are giant robot suits aka machines, you expect machines of the same type look very similar, the sons on the other hand are basically gigantic humans and because there is so few of them you don't get distractic, this can look a bit awkward with humanoid bodies
Yep. It's very obvious that all your Gargant models have the same leg and arm positions, and mostly the same clothes.
i want an armour plated mega gargant
like they found a city renowned for its smiths and said 'make me some armour and i won't stomp you'
Also they were hard meta for a good part of the year during the start of AoS 3. Had a 72% winrate at one point, most armies just couldn't pass the DPS check. You had to drop a mega a turn, otherwise you basically lost the game. Put 4 big idiots on the table, walk on objectives, win game. Simple as.
If I had started to play back then I would probably not gone to any tournaments. What a borefest
@Jerry They didn't win tournaments, though. The better players could beat them most of the time because they knew how to do that damage with their army. Son's were a gatekeeper army.
@@Qshafe didn’t the better players have META armies so they had a better chance?
I know Rob has said that the better players have a better understanding of the game but I can’t see how to deal with them when average players cannot 😐
@Jerry No. Most armies can win when played well in AoS, and most armies can put out the damage to kill a Megagargent in a turn. The average tournament player is there for a good time at an event and not there to be hyper-competitive. That means they don't care about impactful but overlooked decisions like positioning and knowing when to commit.
You don't have to believe me, but we have the data from the start of 3rd edition, and it shows that giants would typically go 4-1 and place top 3 or 5 in tournaments. But, they rarely were in first place.
@@Qshafe I can believe you. No worries there
Don't forget they can suplex enemy monsters, fun monstrous actions
Also remember that Mega-Gargants can just straight up suplex a monster with their unique monstrous rampage "Colossal Slam". Legend has it that this move was invented by a legendary Mega-Gargant by the name of Andre.
Kharadron Overlords: "Ha, ha! No one without ranged weapons can touch us!"
*Mega-Gargant reaches up, grabs two frigates and proceeds to use them as boom-sticks.*
I want to see an eating contest between a great stomping, united ogre tribes, and a vermintide
rats win ez
Pretty cool how the giants here loosly follow the giants of Norse myth:
Ymir, the first giant, was the resources of the world: his blood the oceans, his skin the ground we walk on, his bones the trees, his teeth would be the rocks and his skull the very sky.
Just a fun fact!
Honestly, I wish there were more giant monsters in AoS. Like, don't get me wrong, there are a LOT to choose from, but the selection still feels lacking. I'm talking giant sguigasaurs for the orks and goblins. More big dinos and mutants for the lizard, rats, and chaos. More dragons in the form of wyrms, wyverns, and drakes. Etc.
Basically I want more options for Godzilla vs king Kong in my war games.
The giants fill that roll and I love that for them and me, and I am so close to starting a gloomspite army at the same time as a giant army just so I can have this weird mixed third army just for giggles
See also Beasts of Chaos, where you can run Cygors and Ghorgons as Battleline, if you choose the right subfaction. That same subfaction makes Cygors Priests, so you can cause earthquakes every round.
Well FW use to have the gigantic cave squig. Gobbos are what got me into Warhammer in the first place, they are so much fun to collect and paint ( especially the old 90's Kev Adams sculpts), and the new rules have actually made them a viable army now
@@josephskiles I saw those new rules and that's what got me thinking about starting up with them. I'm totally cool for giant spider while I pray for squigasaurus rex in the future
@@Lunch_Meat yeah the spiders are cool, I have some riders but I really need to expand my collection of them ( as well as some more squigs). Sadly FW got rid of all of the wacky models like the Trogg Hag which to this day was one of my favorite things I've painted and kitbashed other goofy stuff on. What armies do you currently collect?
@@josephskiles damn shame about those FW models. They do such great builds for these things.
Currently I actually don't have an army. I use to play 40k orks and I was going to start a orc and gobbo army back before end times happened, but then life happened and I put all those things on the shelf. I've been itching to get back into it though and the gobs have always had my heart. I even played grot rebels in gorkamorka way back
Some part of me is tempted to get back into Warhammer with both these guys and Knights, so I can buy like 15 models and be entirely set.
Same lmao, just afraid my parents would never shut up about me quitting the first time when I realized that I would spend 6 months painting a guard army
@LazarusFromDW who cares what they say? If you'll enjoy the game/hobby that's all that should matter
The moment I saw these guys I immediately thought of Total War Warhammer giants getting annihilated by handgunners and Thunderers. Not too far off from tabletop based on the review.
And speaking of AoS armies you should do a video on the cities of Sigmar. They're really cool and this comment would be a novel if I said all the reasons why but please take a look into them. It may just be the video I need to actually start an AoS army. Well, when I have money that is. I don't need my college fund, right?
Oh nice, I've never been in time for a premiere. Nice video! My favorite part of Son's is the ability to kick the objectives around.
How in the hell did you manage to mention the death grip ability without making a death grips reference?
The first thing I frickin said
Y'know there is a story that said Wolverines were once the size of bison but this really big strong guy grabbed 2 of them and crushed them so hard they stayed small. And that's why despite their size, Wolverines have the courage and viciousness of something 3 times their bulk
I like King Brodd, but the lore teases Sons of Behemat Matriarchs, and I was hoping that there'd be a model with the second battletome.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets sad about Yhorm. He was also such a good guy in life. Poor dude.
The DS2 Giant king you fight in the time travel memory being captured and hollowed in the basement of the same fortress when you go through it at the beginning of the game was also a cool touch. Yay Fromsoft.
The fact that he reacts so violently the first time you see him.
First time around you just assume it's because he's feral or something.
Second time around, you just get hit by understanding.
@moobles2998 Oh yeah that whole sequence made the NG+ experience almost melancholy. A perfect Dark Souls moment.
Though that begs the question: Was he hollow? Would he be hostile to anyone who entered his cell... Or is it just you?
@@ericsteenbergen9470 Who knows!
That's half the fun, theorizing.
I assume he reacted specifically towards us, seeing as we're most likely not the first person to have wandered in after a couple hundred or thousand years.
10:43 - Declare charge and I make it in with a TRIPLE 6, 5, FORKED TONGUE
Alwaysed loved giants in any media, just the concept of big stompy monstrous humanoids, or even just big monsters in general, has always been so cool to me. Even if I never make an army of them I'm definitely making a Frost Giant version of one of these boys at some point.
Definitely think they could use a bit of spice on the tabletop, maybe beasts they subjugate or other monstrous forces you can take with them or even some more ranged options but as rightly pointed out sometimes you just want to walk up with 4 titans and smash things to the ground.
One bit of spice I would like to see is a female giant.
Apparently they take the roles of shamans and storytellers. Which tells me you could have giant wizards and chaplains.
Seeing more tribalistic robes made from random cow leathers and held together by trees as sewing needles would be pretty aesthetic.
Not to mention just the idea of a wizard with 30-40 wounds is hilarious
@@woodlefoof2 honestly yeah that sounds really cool and definitely thematic to the idea of an army of giants, just this massive giant witch with tribal magic tattoos carved into her skin and maybe various human sized items strewn about almost like charms and such
Lots of potential
Their lore does note they keep some pets like two-headed hounds the size of cathedrals.
And then there’s all the various types of gargants through the Realms like necromancer and zombie titans in Shyish, an insect king in Ghyran and Chamon has noted mega-gargants stomping around while covered in armor plates.
So they got some potential variety done the line besides the mentioned Daughters of Behemat for mainstay casters.
Glad to see a fellow giant enthusiast! I always preferred them over dragons for many reasons.
Starshard Ballista: "Your days are numbered."
Kraken-Eater: "Glowy Lantern + Prismatic Palisades + L + Ratio."
" Play an army because it is Fun, not Meta." - Best way to play wargames of any kind ^^
Absolutly loved the video, Sons Of Behemat are just generally fun and uncomplicated. Gotta admit the cost per model stings a bit, but it's worth it due to them being able to be run as an army, or to tag onto another army as you mentioned as you get them.
I do not regret getting them, although I am still missing King Brodd and Beast-Smasher.
Just gotta mention, gargants call stormcasts "Shiny Squishies" which i find hilarious.
This is my army! I haven't even seen the video yet and it is the greatest thing ever.
Edit: I have seen it now and can confirm this was the best thing ever.
The Aeolipile was an early Steam Engine designed around 100BCE-100CE in Alexandria and described by Vitruvius and Hero of Alexandria. It consisted of a sealed bronze vessel hooked with two pipes coming out the top leading to form the axis of a sphere. Said sphere had two (possibly more) nozzles on either side angled out on it’s central meridian. When a fire was lit under the Aeolipile, steam would come up the pipes, into the sphere and go out the nozzles spinning it around. While it worked, it was also impractical as anything other than a novelty. It was too fuel inefficient and the steam that it spewed out could be lethal if it was scaled up or the pressure increased. In some ways, the limited strength of bronze.
The first practical steam engine was made about 17 centuries latter by Thomas Savery in 1698, a basic pumping device. Thomas Newcomen would develop a slightly better steam engine in 1712 which used a piston, using steam to push it up and cooling the water down with a spritz of cold water. It was still grossly inefficient and basically only useful for pumping out flooded coal mines. Between 1765 and 1776 Scottish inventor James Watt refined the design using reciprocating motions and high-pressure steam. The Watt Steam Engine would find uses in other areas such as factories and would soon be refined to be used on ships and to pull trains.
I have no idea what this has to do with age of sigmar giants, but this is bad ass as fuck! Thanks for sharing Mr. Zor.
Thank you for including the bit about how the Aeolipile was essentially a dead end technology wise. While reports of people ALLEGEDLY making engines off of the design would occasionally pop up in the ensuing centuries, the basic problems of the damn thing essentially only having enough energy to power it's own movement and more or less being a water rocket means that it ain't a good thing to base your fantasy shit off of.
That being said, I DID just have an idea for using an Aeoliple to cook food, which would certainly be an interesting though no doubt gimmicky use.
@@drdiabeetus4419while exact design of Aeolipile is indeed dead end, its principle, namely converting steam into rotation is basis for steam turbines, where instead of whole engine rotating, steam makes turbine shaft with blades rotate.
9:44 I remember how fun it was to throw bounders and tank in incredible hulk ultimate destruction. God that was a fun game. A somewhat decent story as well.
Honestly your AOS videos have warmed me to the setting. I hope we get an AOS total war after fantasy now
It really would not work, especially with most factions just being copy paste from fantasy and then left to be abandoned. It could work for a traditional rts though with stormcast, chaos warriors, vampire counts, and orcs.
“Thinking is for nerds” this phrase was said during a warhammer video
Oh lawd they comin'
While I get the impression that you dislike them for Elf-icide, I think that covering the Deathwatch of 40k would be a relatively fun video
I love giants in every fantasy world
Mostly the giants that are just vibes
“I wish our myths could be half as interesting as this”
*me knowing a lot of our myths consist of giants and vomiting and pooping and stuff*
Just watched the whole thing, you've cooked another great one
I just think there was a lot of missed potential in the "gargants" again just being giant humans. And I'm not talking just making them giant greenskins either (which i think would still make more sense). I feel there is alot you could do. Going an elemental route is an obvious choice, but even just adding cyclops, Hecatoncheires, or just really making them their own thing. Distinguishable without being related to their size.
A huge goblin would be pretty funny obviously
My people. I have found them. STOMP STOMP!!!
My day is made better when I see a new video by u
*Tells a story that sounds like a mix of norse and greek mythology, and that could pass for either*
I wish our mythology was half as interesting as this
19:47
I like how the moment FromSoftware is mentioned there is a dog jumpscare.
Can't wait to start this army after i finish painting my kruelboyz shtinky ones.
Loved this video ❤
Gotta love eating breakfast while watching a new video
just 3d printed a full list of these, very excited.
I'm a real poor bastard, but I support this channel in spirit.
Love the breakdown. I’d still love a revisit of the Gitz😅
When i think of space elves, i think of plant based organic technology, like the jurai front tenchi muyo, the plot is trash, but i love the design. Fells very alien!
There is normal electronic looking (maybe?), cristal based that i imagine beig some sort of nanomachine and jurai have a orbital elevator thats basicaly a tree! A giant tree going all the way to space.
That's not space elves, that's space wood elves.
I wonder if there is a Son out there with a gloriously magnificent red mane and braided beard that squashes everyone to death with a giant manhole cover…? 🧐
King Brodd when his daddy died: “I’m going to wipe them out! *Every last one of them!* TATAKAE!!”
The best thing about the SoB is that they allow the opposing army to feel like the Survey Corps. In both the good and the bad ways. Sacrifice your hearts!
"They aren't Avatar of Khaine the faction just yet".
You crack me up.
1:37 yeaaaaaah totally sympathize plus fantasy tropes tend to blend together after a while
they have an attack named death grip, i have to paint one black and name it MC ride and give him an agreed upon ranged "YUH" attack
Can't wait for that Do or Don't Ogor Mawtribes
Age of Mythology music, well chosen and fuck i love that music
Also great vid
AOM RETOLD is soon upon us sir
I watched this while shifting in and out of consciousness while waking up and the only part that I was awake for was 22:40. Thank you for that, I'll be mentioning this to my therapist.
When you want to make the enemy experience the rumbling from attack on Titan
We're is my elf killing bad ass? The great crusade, where is thou pelinal?
Oh 1d4chan is back up, thanks for letting me know!
An excellent birthday gift Thanks pancreas.
Speaking of Meta it should be noted that as an army of nothing but giant monsters they can get fucked over (like they are currently) by the seasonal rules from the Generals handbook that prioritize some kinds of units over others. Last season was infantry and this season its non legendary foot heroes with less than 10 wounds both things the gargants dont have any of to score with. They might get lucky if we get another monster season but be aware that as a skew army you have limited options.
Nice video !
They're just big guys. Great video!
A few slightely biger land mines and will wall on each other without can get back at least until are already dead.
3:50 it has been a good while since a piece of lore made me stop and just
Want to scream but i was too stunned to do it.
Great video as always, though I want more Battletech content!
Hey Pancreas can you make a "Do or Don't" on the Harlequin or just Eldar in general
"Yeah
I could take on a giant"
"In a fight, right?"
"..."
"In a fight, right?"
>If you removed honor, chivalry, or anything much going on upstairs
So, Chaos Knights. LETS GOOOOOOO
Underwater elves: Well i guess we will just develop lungs.
Oh my god, 1d4chan is actually back up. I will enjoy it while it lasts.
I have commitment issues and have a faction in each grand alliance but destruction and I bought a mega gargant for my beasts of chaos and this just made me decide that I’m going to just buy the other two alliances mega gargant and just roll a sons army for destruction
5:25 random imperial Aquila on one front giant
Love they made giants as a solo army a thing, sounds so easy to cheese in totalwar
The power of giants would impress me. If it wasn’t for one of the key requirements of being an ogre tyrant being to be able to wrestle a giant to the ground.
That's definitely an achievement for a Tyrant, but the only requirement for the position is to kill the previous Tyrant in a ceremonial fight.
Nice.
how had the video minimized on my other monitor i could swore i saw a giant miniature holding a guitar for a sec
“CONCENTRATING FIRE POWER!” 21:25
Memories. What a busted little thing.
So, if there's an army of Khorne Bloodbound with a Son of Behemat fighting an army of Stormcast Eternals and Free People who would win?
Nice age of mythology back ground music
smash, next question
The best thing you can do is play the Shadow of The Colossus soundtrack during the game.
Id love to see a gray Knights video
GW was really like "Oh man, this lore is fire. We have GOT to copyright it."
Dog jump scares? That’s a new one. 😂
dude...great content. keep em coming.giants are me favorite,why dose gw ,always gota do my boys dirty.always a sad story(sky titans) behemat......Now do dogs of war.....Bologs!
19:49
The best kind of jumpscare.
Did I hear a empire at war cameo well in that case "Let's do some damage."
kicky yet stompy
I have feeling that Pancreas will buy AOM retold.