Who won the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef (and how)?
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This week’s episode of Popcast (Deluxe), the weekly culture roundup show on CZcams hosted by Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli, includes segments on:
04:08 The backstory of the tension between Kendrick Lamar and Drake
12:18 The early songs: “First Person Shoter,” “Like That,” “7 Minute Drill”
17:35 Drake responds: “Push Ups,” “Taylor Made Freestyle
21:06 Kendrick Lamar responds: “Euphoria” & “6:16 In LA”
32:45 Drake responds, and shifts the tone of the battle to the personal: “Family Matters”
46:44 Kendrick responds, upping the personal ante: “Meet the Grahams,” “Not Like Us”
55:19 Drake bows out?: “The Heart Part 6”
59:57 How this battle will play out for Drake and Kendrick Lamar as musicians
01:04:21 How this battle will play out for Drake and Kendrick Lamar as people
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I’m glad Kendrick was able to win over so many people who don’t even understand how amazing euphoria is
Do people not understand how rap battles work? there is a winner. People trying to both sides it, there are no both sides or a draw. Kendrick won. It is what it is.
My god, where have yall been?!? Does The NY Times not let yall do emergency podcasts?!? 🤯
since hiss
Seriously... slipping
Honestly better they waited until the dust settled instead of doing a premature breakdown
This guy on YT here, a well-regarded rapper who’s working with Metro, is doing the smartest and funniest dissections of of the tracks: @ScruFaceJeanOfficial
I remember they did an emergency pod for the story of adidon
fellas, i love the pod. i'd like to contribute to this conversation and point a couple of things out.
1) people believe Kendrick because Drake ruined his own trustworthiness multiple times throughout his career. is there implicit bias because of fandom? of course. however, Drake lost his credibility when the ghost writer allegations were proven true 10 years ago. Kendrick hasn't had a watershed moment in his career where he's been outed as inauthentic or manipulative.
2) Drake has made enemies of his peers throughout his career. i think it's reductive and frankly apologetic on his behalf to imply that everyone coming at him is purely because Drake is more successful than them. Drake ruined his personal relationships with these people, that's why this all feels so personal.
It's just mob mentality at this point. Everyone just follows whatever the popular thing is. Right now the mob is hating on Drake so more and more people are going to hate on Drake for no real actual reason. It's just the hot new thing to do 😂
It's the fact that people can't stand a guy that looks like Drake, has the skin color of Drake, and acts like Drake puts out this good of music and has been on top for such a long period of time longer than any other hip hop artist out there. Drake isn't your normal black guy that came from the projects but yet has killer bars and traditional old boomers don't know how to handle that.
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
@26:32 Drake is an actor. An actor are a great mimic of others and life. He is not fluid. He mimics an identity. OVO doesn't really have an identity. He will take an artist's sound and make it his sound. What happens to the artist who make '...Tuesday'? It's about Drake and no one else.
Before the weekend, y’all predicted this beef incorrectly and I pointed it out in that video but here for the I told you so. At the time I said:
“John crazy. He's implying Kendrick would have a hard time "out conceptualizing" Drake.
Who has the more conceptual albums and songs between the two?”
Told you so.
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
@@BrayZap you wrote all that and your guy still got wop wop wop wop wopped. take it easy player
The dismisssive tone about Kendrick during this discussion is how Drake and his fans are and why Drake lost. Kendrick had short attention span people wanting to break down lyrics and listen to over 6 minute songs. Something Drake didn't do. Also, this notion that Drake is only hated by his peers because he is successful is so fanboy. You ever consider he has done something to warrant people not wanting to deal with him. It wasn't too long ago, Nicki was dealing with the same thing.
Go to Whats The Dirt's youtube channel and watch the explainers on Drake's songs, he went toe to toe with Kendrick lyrically, most of his lines went over peoples heads. Drake is really good at saying things that sound like shallow bling but have multiple meanings.
Drake won
Actually mostly all battle rappers and rappers in general are saying Drake won/wins lmao. Drakes songs are just flat out better, better flow, better everything. All kendrick does is reach for random accusations and just says "I hate you, you suck, you're a pedo!" Meanwhile Drakes musical artistry is just way better
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
@@scottfishing2948lol once it became a legit serious battle after drake released family matters dude literally gave up in the very next song😂 really wouldn’t call that going ‘toe to toe’ lol
Drake is a popular entertainer who has leveraged his acting talent to make hip hop songs commercially palatable for mainstream audiences. Yes, he has made a lot of money, but he has no authentic claim nor artistic skill to earn his keep into hip hop culture. Conversely, Kendrick Lamar has amplified his authenticity with a level of artistry that has captivated us multi-generationally.
I have to say I was shocked that it was Jon defending “meet the grahams” and not Joe. I always thought Jon was the #1 Drake stan 😅
Have always appreciated both of your love for Drake despite the fact that everyone under 30/on social media has despised him for half a decade now … you’ve changed my perspective on his music (if not his personality). I have to say I do feel like it’s made you both a bit blindsided to how thoroughly Kdot won this beef from Day 1
The guy on the left said something interesting imo when he said , Kendrick thinks he's Shakespeare with the quil... Say we're picking a rapper as Shakespeare's equivalent in hip hop terms, who would that guy be today?
Also, most disturbing to me is how laudable you found Drake's practice of taking from here and there. That is what Kendrick and many of us view as colonizing and being a culture vulture and very far from cute. For Black people from the communities Drake has been "sampling" from that aspect of how he has been moving has been anywhere from strange, to cringey, to disturbing to offensive.
Many of us are embedded in our communities and our (specific) cultures matter to us. This beef was very much about culture.
So, to have someone come and cosplay what we have and is dear to us and exploit it and artists from our communities isn't great.
To be honest, this is one of the big criticisms of how white people move in the world -- there is a whole similar discussion about what's happened with yoga, how Bon Appetit approached ethnic cuisine and BIPOC chefs, German interest in Indigenous cultures - thinking that you can take and modify (often with very little attribution) things that ultimately don't come from you.
Drake is Black, yet he wasn't raised with those family and community connections and had a whole growing up when he wasn't centring that identity. And to me, this isn't about specific nationality either as he isn't connected with Black communities (that have similar conventions and values to those across the border around respect, integrity, what you say and don't say, family connections, etc) in Toronto, either.
Now, as an adult, he's remained disconnected except in performative, superficial ways. He also seems to equate Blackness with being hood. Listening to him talk about Chicago music he was listening to and talking about how "hood" and "gutter" they were was disturbing and telling - like he's actually reduced those people to their stereotypes. I would hate to hear him talk candidly about Sexyy Red. The like you gonna free the slaves lines in Family Matters - Ugggh.
He missed and misses many things and makes missteps as a result - similar to the ones you, as white guys have made. Even in getting into this beef, he crossed lines that were obvious to people with Black cultural competence. So many glaring things.
Re your discussion - It's one thing to rely on your own subjective taste in analzying this beef but you actually have to get deeper to understand what actually happened here.
Again, I really would have liked to have you do your research so you could understand why what hit you are reaches are not and what the real discussions around this beef are. Find out what Black people are talking about and how they received this beef before you speak on it.
Excellent breakdown guys, that after way too much time dedicated to Twitter scrolling was an absolute breath of fresh air.
At the risk of sounding like a Kendrick rider It’s weird that people say that we’re giving Kendrick grace and not Drake. Like there’s literally no proof of these Kendrick allegations not even an article. Meanwhile there’s video evidence of Drake on stage hearing that a girl is 17 then proceeding to kiss her and say she looks thick anyone can look it up. Apples to .mp4s ma boy. And don’t come with that erm actually ephebophilia ain’t pedophilia either 🤣
17 is legal lol
They said the heart part 6 wasn't a defeated sounding drake. Wish i knew that before i wasted an hour.
two white men acting as hip hop purists bother me so much - yall are who kendrick are talking about.
and why didn’t you invite a black hip hop commentator to join this podcast episode
So white people can't comment or analyze about two incredibly public figures and the biggest beef in music for 20 years ? Sounds kinda racist...also, if you dont like it, switch off ?
It’s so annoying indeed man, it really is.
Why can't white men act as hip hop purists? Would you be okay with someone telling black people that they shouldn't do something because of the colour of their skin?
Deluxe is 2 dudes talking. The only exceptions are interviews. That's just the format. The regular popcast has more of the diversity you're looking for.
Dude really just said Drake has haters because he's popular and compared it to Michael Jackson... Michael Jackson was guilty. Wtf? I guess those kids were just haters then? Dude had the worst takes I've heard on the whole beef.
You don’t come back from “Not Like Us”… a west coast club banger, a hit record about Drake’s underage girl problems that everyone’s going to be singing all summer? Checkmate…. “A-Minorrrrrrrrrrrr” lol.
Yeah and Kendrick is not coming back from hitting his wife and Dave Free fathering his baby mama's child lmao
The age group of the little kids thinking this wins is hilarious. Mid lyrics, never won anything. If anything DJ mustard won lmao it has nothing to do with Kendrick
15+ years at the top of the charts, Drake has generated more haters than fans imo. He oversaturated the market with hits, especially from 2015-2018, not to mention that whole decade. I'd argue Drake has more haters than Kendrick has fans. Most hated music artist since a very long time.
I agree. I’ve never seen this much hate towards any artist, there are people on Twitter and TikTok even hating on his child Adonis making fun of that kid in every way and their posts gets so many likes it’s unbelievable!
This was the whitest analysis and assessment of this rap battle that I've heard so far. It confirmed for me that Kendrick was really making his diss tracks to reach Black people and he did that in spades. With respect, you all missed so much. Watch some of the many reaction videos by Black people to see how these tracks hit people connected to the culture.
Lol that one guy on this podcast laughing through his drake fandom pain 🫠😛
Dot W.
Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s over. I think Kendrick is about to drop again lol
Nah
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
🚨🚨streets needed this🚨🚨
I am BEGGING you to make this a podcast ep when you drop an hour like this! I got THINGS TO DO, I can’t be sitting around looking at youtube for a full hour!
It is available as a podcast
Lets gooo
Macklemore dropped the real hip hop diss track of the week #freepalestine 🍉
Joe would look good if he borrowed a page from Drake's style guide and got a diamond stud in his ear.
wowzers. there's some bad takes here. I think where most fans are is that Drake has been known to lie, not really be an active father to his son. Has been known to be in communication with teenagers, kissed one on stage, texted Millie Bobby Brown when she was 15, commented on Billie Eilish saying she was turning 18 with I've been waiting. Not to mention how clearly he has been going for this public persona to be a "legitimate" rapper despite being from an upper middle class life, and being a mildly sucesful tv actor. I think he also just had a bad read on how people would take things, the whole "you always rapping like you trying to free the slaves" even his "victory" song where he was saying Kendrick is dumb for believing this fake story he planted and he only would think he's a pedophile because of mother i'm sober. Which Drake completely misunderstands. Because of how much a pop star he is he doesn't understand why people respect Kendrick and why they like his music. Now if it comes out that Drake was correct about Kendrick I would listen to less Kendrick and would be disappointed but at this point I think it is far more likely that some of what has been said by Kendrick about Drake and his team to be true than what Drake has said about Kendrick.
wowzers? Go back to school kid Kdot lost. He should go have a long talk with Dave Free and fix his marriage
@@kamikazi5144 Drake has shown no proof of how he knows this information except for who follows whom on instagram. If it turns out he was abusive I will no longer be a fan of Kendrick and his work will be less important to me but as of right now Drake’s victory song has been mocked and made fun of all over. If Kendrick and his wife come out and say Drake made it all up that will look even worse for bbl drizzy
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
@@BrayZap I assume we just have different take in music then. I love Kendrick’s lyrical approach. I find it so enjoyable listening to his albums in full multiple times figuring out what he means listening to other people talk about them and point out new things I didn’t see. Yes some of his songs aren’t fun and something you’re playing for fun but that does not make him a huge artist. He has a Pulitzer all but one of his songs on Spotify has over 10 million strings the one that isn’t is only 8 million streams he has several over a billion streamed songs. He is the type of artist that can drop whenever and people will drop everything and give their attention to his music.
Drake makes fun songs but I get them on first listen, his type of pop just isn’t interesting to me he has some good hooks but I don’t have the same admiration for the music. Kendrick’s whole thisis for Drake is that he is not tough he is not from America and part of the cultures he adopts to take a style from and toss aside for the next new cool thing.
Yes some people hate him because he’s huge but that is not what this beef is about and that is not why Kendrick won. To act like Kendrick and Drake are on the same lyrical level is crazy or even that Drake is as interesting of a rapper as Kendrick, Drake is a good rapper though. This isn’t even mentioning the ghost writers, the just just horrible choice to do the ai track, all the communication he has had with underage girls, him knowing young girls then dating them when they turn 18, his absolutely horrible and not accurate to precedent I can’t be a pedophile I’m so rich and famous I would have gone to jail if I was.
@@matt00794 it's just stupid people keep recycling the same shit over and over and if this hasn't been talked about since 2015 now. If there was truly something that he was doing wrong trust me he would be in trouble for it right now. People are just beating a dead horse because they have nothing else to attack drake on. Drake is the icon of music for the past 2 decades alone so nobody has anything they can come at him for because he's truthfully bigger and better than Kendrick ever was. Kendrick struggles to come out with a decent track or album every 7 years. Drake has been doing it month after month and everyone loves it he tops everything. All they can do is spew out random accusations of him with minors and it's just played out and boring now. Bring him to court and see how the lawyers deal with it, until then shut up
love this thoughtful conversation
Free Jeffery Lamar Williams ❤🐍
Do they understand Drake is not a Black American?
Also can we talk about Joe thinking Buried Alive is the worst part of Take Care??? So incorrect
Stop playing with me before I turn you to a song
-Kendrick
They going too hard must be from the same background.
I don’t get how Kendrick can getaway without addressing the Whitney DV allegations. “Drake’s a liar” doesn’t cut it for me (A Kendrick fan)
Its allegation. Will speak on allegation? Now, Drake has been messing and his ish has been out in the open.
@@jamesmarieI mean if my famous rapper baby daddy was getting accused of beating me I’d have to set the record straight if it wasn’t true. My kids will see that one day. That’s just me. Wish Whitney well, true or false
@@flyingpianos123 only one talking facts
Because the black community doesn't trust drake and hasn't for years. Even on stupid things like 'Meltdown' it was proven he didn't melt Pharell's chains despite all the sh-ttalking lolll. At every turn he hasn't given us a reason to just take his word for anything lol, he's constantly caught lying. It also doesn't help that he accused DV while also shoutting out Torey Lanez and Chris Brown. That was a major misstep. Similar to the AI Tupac, Drake doesn't know how to read the room because he hasn't had to in years. Now if J. Cole was in this beef and called Kendrick a wife beater, that'd be different because he has similar cultural clout in the BC as Kendrick.
But since Kendrick admitted to hitting his wife once on Mr Morales and the shock from that has already worn off + over the years he's given us lots of reasons to believe him and listen closely when he speaks, we're left questioning if Drake has genuine info or if he deadass had nothing to say and just cherrypicked past scandals to have a response. It's a matter of history. Kendrick has told us truths about himself almost to a fault with self exposing, I don't even remember the last time Drake felt genuine and vulnerable / truthful about anything. It's been years.
Even the denying of the daughter, we have no reason to believe he's telling the truth. He also denied Adonis at first. I don't want to say the kids name who's suspected to be Drizzy's kid cause she is 11 and has already had to go private on SM, but there's a lotttt of things on her SM pages and in Drakes own SM and lyrics that causes one to raise an brow. Very much TBD on Drake having another kid. The possible daughter and her mom has very deep connections in OVO and Drake specifically despite not clearly being related to anyone. Reasonably speaking, it makes sense that Drake would deny other possible kids too. He was dragged a few years into his life over Adonis. What would people say about not only other kids, but much older ones?
It's basically a question of credibility and Kendrick has that in spades and it's one of the few things Drake is deficient on. That's not to say that Kendrick isn't presently an abuser, but given the messenger, we need receipts.
The people "supporting" kendrick just say he won off of hating Drake and being jealous that he's been the best in the industry for the past 15 years it's just like Tom Brady in the NFL. He's the best so whenever someone comes at him, everyone prays they lose 😂 did you see every superbowl Tom Brady was in? everyone except New England was rooting for him to lose. This is exactly what we're seeing except there's unfortunately no actual game to be won its just fan bases going back and forth.
This never was even a competition and Drake didn't even have to respond to win lmao.
Kendrick had to piggy back his career off of Drake in 2012 and then has the nerve to come around and attack him just for the sake of he's completely irrelevant and needs some way to get back into music cause nobody gives a fuck about him 😂. All 20 dudes that came after Drake need some way to get publicity and become somewhat relevant for a few months cause their music isn't doing it. Drake does a feature on their songs and it's only popular cause Drake is on it
Why is everybody jumping to conclusions, the beef it's not over till it's "clearly" over , calm the fuck down , y'all not paying attention your biases are getting in the way
It's just mob mentality at this point. Everyone just follows whatever the popular thing is. Right now the mob is hating on Drake so more and more people are going to hate on Drake for no real actual reason. It's just the hot new thing to do 😂
It's the fact that people can't stand a guy that looks like Drake, has the skin color of Drake, and acts like Drake puts out this good of music and has been on top for such a long period of time longer than any other hip hop artist out there. Drake isn't your normal black guy that came from the projects but yet has killer bars and traditional old boomers don't know how to handle that.
Man that’s soooo true
I mean I think it’s all wrong
i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. they're legacy media, so this lukewarm analysis is probably as far as they can go. but i think that on a personal level, they haven't admitted to themselves that this moment is something they've never seen before.
i respect old heads. but these guys are putting themselves in a box trying to compare this to previous beefs.
@@chrisperez-gu8rn sorry I phrased this poorly lol. I was referring to the accusations that Drake and Kendrick leveled at each other. I don’t either are doing/did the worst stuff that they accused each of doing. I thought the podcast was very entertaining for what it was.
@@disc0duck look, full disclosure. i'm knee deep in kool aid and my tin foil hat is double layered.
things are actively getting worse for Drake in a way that's not happening to Kendrick. Receipts are being pulled from all sorts of directions for Drake's allegations. I'm very interested in the future conversations that happen about this beef.
Popcast's take vs Fantano's take: And the winner, by unanimous decision goes to... Popcast.
The only thing i can agree with these guys on is that drake shouldnt have done such a serious song "heart part 6" and instead threw a catchy club hit back at Kendrick to counter act it. I know drake had so much left in the tank for this and who knows maybe he does come back but i feel like labels or something told them to chill and diffuse the situation. And also Drake will be right back with a banging album. He will still be #1 and everyone still wants his spot
Yall take are the worst mehhh
Nah you're just salty
ASAP Yams was right🤷🏿♂️
Actually mostly all battle rappers and rappers in general are saying Drake won/wins lmao. Drakes songs are just flat out better, better flow, better everything. All kendrick does is reach for random accusations and just says "I hate you, you suck, you're a pedo!" Meanwhile Drakes musical artistry is just way better
XXL Poll says Drake won. KDOT fans spiralling lmao
My brother in christ, you are in every comment d*ckrdiding for Aubrey like you're getting paid by the word. The only one here salty is you. It doesn't matter what XXL poll says, the STREETS and more importantly the Black Community, which is the collective over rap culture has decided Kendrick won (so far). And if we want to talk about numbers it's looking like Kendrick won as well. You and tbh even Joe and John aren't doing Drake or other establishment artists like Taylor any favors by always kissing their ass. It just further undermines the artist and your opinions on the subject.
Drake easily takes the W, sorry salty Kdot fans
The fact that people were saying Kendrick won before even dropping anything says a lot about how fake this all is. People are just dying for Drake to fall. You cant say someone won without anything even coming out yet and thats what people were doing