Fly press butterfly hinges
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- Using a fly press to make butterfly hinges can be quick and efficient. While I strongly believe that one should learn to forge hinge eyes using a hammer at the anvil. There are times when production needs require something a bit more efficient.
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No apologies needed for the music. It works nicely with your flow still. I know you're making these for us but they're still your videos and we love your touch on them to make them yours.
Great work, I'd be proud to have any of your craftsmanship on any of my projects.
No worries on the microphone you just gave everyone a preview of what working with out PPE IE ear protection does to one's hearing .. lol
I kinda like the music when you do use it. Normally it's pleasant and you're either not trying to talk at the same time or you have the music at a volume that isn't competing with your voice. Some of your compatriots use music that's not to my liking or try to talk over it and it's so loud that it's annoying when I'm trying to glean knowledge from their experience. Keep up the good work John. 👍
We deplore the lack of banjo. :-)
The music while you were working remind me of the PBS shows, I loved it.
Eventually, when I get around to building the cabinets for my kitchen remodel, I now know how I'm going to make all of those hinges. loved the video.
Nice choice of music and a good level with the hammer blows under. Nice!
Thanks
Just read your Bio on your website. Didn't know you were a 27 year FF. I'm just a volunteer right now with 3 years but I'd love to hear about that on the other channel! Keep up the good work John.
Nice set of tools for making those. Good video on explaining how they are used, and materials involved. 👍
I get a lot of good info seeing cold process work. Thank you.
It can save time and fuel, but I do still prefer hot forging
Nice set up! Thats great. Thanks for showing this process!
Great Job , Voice over or not !
You got things across ! The
Jig was a Wonderful thing to help
With the roll over ! I will have to check that site out !
Be Safe and Keep Hammering !
It was very good to see the eclectic drawer pulls on your tool cabinet in the background.
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Very useful. I may try making the jig and hinges.
The fly press is just so satisfying to watch work.....I must add one to my shop
The die use was cool to see thank you John. As far as the sound issues, "What?" heh heh
Pretty cool setup, i appreciate the videos that show uses for the fly-press since it is an achievable tool for me and i think it would help me in all aspects of my shop use. Be Well
Fly presses are a versatile piece of machinery, multiple uses and requires no electricity lol.
Great demo of a practical use hinge
John, I really enjoy all your videos. Thanks for taking the time and energy to share your skills, wisdom and expertise. Joel....
Awesome. I love the blank and hinge dies. Great idea.
First time I saw those dies was in the movie “Schindler’s List.”
Those were impressive!
Good looking hinges. Nothing wrong with jigs, they do increase production and save the customer more money. Cost per piece is less for both the craftsman and the customer. If cost gets prohibitively high, and you can't sell the items, then it is a complete loss instead of a partial gain. It's just good economics.
At last! A hinge video! Love the eye tooling! You make it? 🐾🔥⚒
Edit: commented before the one minute mark, John. Oops!
I have quite a few hinge related videos. czcams.com/video/h7CXckYVEC4/video.html
it dawned on me while you were pressing the hinge eyes that you could forge a die for each half of the hinge to cut them out of a flat sheet instead of having to buy the pre cut hinge blanks. the idea is simple but the die's would be hard to make, but your talented...you could do it ! a cutter die for the fly press to cut the shape out of the recessed die on the bottom....
if it was done right you could make hundreds of hinge blanks quickly.... or perhaps make the dies for the hydraulic press
and take the work out of it completely ! something to keep in mind if you need to make a bunch of them eh ?
Beautiful hinges John! I hope I get to meet you in October when I come to Colorado.
I will be doing a demo in my shop sometime in October
Well that’s just icing on the cake!
Very nice jig John!
That was good John, the jig was awesome, and I suppose if one doesn't have a torch you could use the forge. Was going to mention in another video I noticed the inside of the gas forge, is sort of melting or something, probably from forge welding.
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Looks good John!
I like the music.
Thank you
Awesome informational educational video experience Y'alls
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Great video.
“And I’m a blacksmith so I have to forge something”😂
Thanks again for making another video, even with the “oops”. One question I continue to have is why does the project gets looser when heating if heating swells iron up?
More mass in the eye than in the pin, hence it swells outward more than the pin does. Plus, I think maybe it relaxes the spring put into the eye from bending it. Maybe John will answer with an explanation that comes more from experience than from physics.
That opening shot though :D
Great device!! But for those of us who have no chance of affording a fly press, can you work these cold or hot by hand?
Wondering that myself
You can make a similar tool as a hand tool and hold the hing stock in the vise. But you will need to heat the eye portion of the hinge to roll it.
@@BlackBearForge Thank you very much. That's a great idea...
I am not sure if you have, but if not, have you considered a video on blacksmith terms in our language. Such as, "too many irons in the fire", or "strike while the iron is hot", or going after something "hammer and tongs"? These are colloquialisms that have permeated our speech, but many people don't know where they come from, or what they mean. My personal favorite is the "too many irons in the fire" because I did that, and to my shame, more than once. In a coal forge it can be too easy to loose a piece of iron when doing production work. It sure adds to the big clinker in the bottom of the bowl.
I enjoyed today's video, and to see how to do production hinge work.
Stephen
I have been thinking about it. But I need to come up with a good list of terms. This is a good start
I think The Essential Craftsman did, or at least touched on some of them.
very nice. Doesn't your editing software allow you to mute the sound track of the vid?
Sure it does, But people really like to complain if I get rid of all of the shop sounds.
Cool jigs. For production stuff they seem to work well. Was wondering if one dose not have a fly press could a hydraulic press (with stops) work?
I haven't tried it, but if the stops prevent over travel of the ram it should work. But even the slightest over travel could really deform the hinge and perhaps damage the die.
Might use graphite as a die lube as well...
Also what are you brushing on there at the end? Is that your typical metal treatment or do you use linseed oil or something else?
How big is your shop? Also love your vids.
its about 800 sq.ft.
Thanks
Like a lot of the previous commentors, I too can't afford a fly press. I was able to acquire an arbor press (2 ton). Would the 1/8 inch thick hinges bend easily if they were heated in the forge first before putting them under something like a small arbor press? I had envisioned a jig like the ones you're using at one point. I haven't had a chance to try. Cheers.
So long as the heat was only where the eye needs to roll, it seems like it should work
Oh, the voice over made this video "forge welding tips and tricks" haha
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If no fly press is available, would an arbor press work? How about a big vise?
A large arbor press might work.
Question what is the blueish green shelf behind the fly press. And is there fly press hardware stored in it. ...thx .....Paul
It holds T bolts and clamps
Really nice. Made for that I guess
Ever try that rolling jig with a hand hammer?
I have seen a similar tool that is hand held and struck with a hammer, the hinge is then held in the vise
I’m going to purchase a fly press. Would you recommend the six over the five. I always say if one over builds it one will never know haha.
I think the 6 was worth the extra money
It would be hilarious if next time you need to put music in, put in around 10 seconds of Pantera or Anthrax or some thrashy death metal music. Or alternatively, "ding dong the witch is dead" from the wizard of Oz.
Question: I don't have a fly press, so could I use a hammer or vice to accomplish the same end?
I have seen a similar approach used at the vise. But generally you clamp the hinge in the vise and drive the tool
Could these dies work with just a hand hammer or is the fly press pretty essential to use these?
Possibly, but it will be hard not to bend the hinges stock above the dies. A better idea is to make a hand held die and clamp the hinge in the vise while driving the tool.
@@BlackBearForge I'm not sure I understand entirely. Thanks for the reply though. I love the content.
@@BlackBearForge so I went and got some of the 16 gauge hinges and just pressed them in my vice and it seems to work pretty good. I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to get me to do but I figured out a way to do it. Now I'm going to try some bigger hinges and see if that works.
can you do that with out a fly press
The dies would need to be adapted to whatever you are using. In light material you can hold the hinge in the vise and use a hand held die. Of course you can also roll the eyes by hand at the anvil.
@@BlackBearForge Thank you for the information i really like how you show all the steeps in all of your videos i have been learning a lot.
I don't have a fly press could i use a vice instead
I have seen a similar approach used at the vise. But generally you clamp the hinge in the vise and drive the tool
I am just curious, I see blacksmiths use fly presses but I never see them use arbor presses. Is their a reason for that?
I have seen some using an arbor press. But the fly press is designed for this type of work and seems to be more adaptable.
@@BlackBearForge I have never used a fly press (or done blacksmithing) so was just curious because arbor presses are common in machine shops and maintenance shops.
Could i do this with a vise?
You can but its reversed. Make the tool to be hand held then hold the hinge stock in the vice. Thinner material only though.
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master please write the dimensions of your mini-lathe for bend hinges
The hole in the center is 2 times the thickness of the material plus the diameter of the pin. The slot is the thickness of the material. So exact size depends on your hinge and pin stock sizes.
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