The Book of Mormon's 19th Century Context
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- čas přidán 5. 10. 2020
- While the Book of Mormon narrative today seems outlandish, the story was very familiar to Americans in 1830
The central plot of the Book of Mormon -the idea that Native Americans are descendants of ancient Jews who came to the Western Hemisphere- seems bizarre in the 21st century. However, the idea was commonplace when the book was published in 1830. We’ll look at the Book of Mormon’s 19th century context in order to make sense of this book of Latter Day
This part of your presentation John Hamer put me in mind of this resource that you might like to explore!
I have watched part 1 and 2 of you're series but out of order( not on purpose). I find it fascinating this whole thing with the mounds.I never heard of any of it. I wonder why it was never taught in school maybe white washing history. Going on to part 3. Thank you so much for the education.
John, I guess that the algorythm must have sent me to this podcast just after I wrote to you today. Again, I have enjoyed what you've said here. I plan to follow this series to the end. I have shared my opinion about the BOM with Kerry Shirts on The Backyardprofessor, episode125. Would you find me presumptuous if I were to ask you to watch that podcast and comment on it as a historian. I spent ten year in college, but not in the sciences, so I wonder if my experience makes sense.
- Ah Mormonism. A modern example how one of many weird cults somehow , against all odds ,became an established religion. I had a few conversations with Mormon missionaries here in the Netherlands. They are the only ones i actually invited in my house. They were very nice and polite kids who actually learned to speak Dutch very well. They told me they didn't convert many Dutch people, , but seemed to enjoy the experience travelling around Europe.
@Baby Hunn Most religions start with someone making a supernatural claim. Smith claiming to find golden plates, is the same as Moses claiming god giving him ten commandments on a mountain . Buddha claiming to be enlightened, Mohammed being visited by an Angel, Paul seeing Jesus on the road to Damascus etc,etc.
@Baby Hunn Joseph Smith patterned Mormonism after Islam. He called himself The New Muhammed.
@Baby Hunn Joseph Smith also said the Book of Mormon was "another Koran".
@@spiritualanarchist8162 LOL 😆: Paul's vision gave him blindness for three days: not what a hallucination would do.
You would have to prove Paul is lying !
@@davidjanbaz7728 No Paul claimed he was blind and heard the voice of Jesus. That's the whole point i'm making. Those who make extraordinary claims need extra ordinary proof.Not the other way around.
Thank you
What I have missed in terms of context is the Great Awakening and adventism. Maybe thisbcoukd be the topic of another talk?
When discussing the various Mormon groups, it would be helpful to have some kind of idea of the numbers of people along the way.
EXCELLENT !!! EXCELLENT !!! Please check the direction of the syphilis arrow on your map. It may be pointing in the wrong direction.
It is nearly impossible to imagine that an accurate oral history might be maintained during all this time and I had the good fortune of meeting paula underwood who kept this ancient history of her oh Naida turtle clan and the people who settled ultimately in the great lakes area in a book called the walking people which I read miriam moore. It’s also available on Amazon I’m just doing a podcast to make it accessible to those of earths children who are interested in diving right in.
I understand the Cahokia mounds in Illinois declined in the 13th and 14th centuries. If Europeans did not explore Illinois until the 17th century and thereby introduce Old World diseases, why did the mound civilization decline in the 1300's, 300 years before the French explorers came? Was there more than one reason why the mound builders died out before it became settled by the US?
There are some cutting-edge anthropological theories (based on archaeology and oral traditions) that Cahokia and other cities developed a repressive autocratic culture, and that the people abandoned it for the more egalitarian small-group cultures that settlers encountered in most of North America. I read about this in "The Dawn of Everything" by Graeber and Wengrow.
EXCELLENT !!! EXCELLENT !!!! The time and effort you have put into your videos is AMAZING !!! Thank You !!! One question = The map with the arrow on the direction of syphilis infestation has recently been shown to be in error ?? Or am I wrong ??? Otherwise a simply wonderful video as with your others. Thank You !!
48:50 "shouldn't we not have sects" lol
I’ve tried but cannot understand why be a pastor of a restoration church if you don’t believe in the foundational parts of the faith?
Haplogroup x would disagree John.
Lehi had a vision and his righteous, prophetic son Nephi wanted it too and told an angel so. Joseph’s father had the very same vision as Lehi. Joseph also saw an angel. Never really considered the parallels before.
Thank you I am not Mormon I am African American and evangelical Christian.
I have always loved Mormon people in the Mormon faith my wife is ex Mormon.
Historically Joseph Smith is such an amazing story he lived a short but very exciting life
Mormons hate black people
It's literally part of their religion
i love your derision of acient bias while you cannot see your own,
a historian discussing bad fiction like the Book of Mormon! WTF?
Someone objecting to a religious historian discussing the history of a religion with 16 million adherants! WTF?!
@@joebykaeby16 million dupes.
It still exists, genius. Therefore it is history. Just because something exists doesn’t mean it’s fact. It can still be discussed and learned about.
The story about the sons of Helaman, who were 2,000 warrior sons of the Lamanites who had sworn off fighting even to defend themselves, is problematic.
It depicts Native Americans as particularly bloodthirsty, as if they were more bloodthirsty than whites.
You might not want to read Hopi legends then, you get triggered and need a safe space.
@@notsocrates9529you definitely shouldn't read the history of white people or you'll get triggered and crawl back to your safe space crying