Indo-Hittite is NOT a thing! Early morning, post- double espresso, rant about Indo-Hittite
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2023
- Indo-Hittite is a proposed language classification which removes the Anatolian branch from Proto-Indo-European. It doesn't make sense for a variety of reasons that I will complain about in this impromtu video.
Even the name Indo-Hittite is a little dumb because it seemingly ignores the remainder of the Anatolian branch. I recorded thisnon my phone, on holiday, using some notes I wrote on the back of a biscuit packet so I don't reference any academic works precisely but I can add them in the comments if anyone has issue with something I've said.
Enjoy and greetings from Cyprus 🇨🇾
#indo-hittite #proto-indo-european #indo-european #linguistics
I think the “exclusion” of Anatolian has a lot to do with the established models of PIE reconstruction which relies heavily on Sanskrit and Ancient Greek and the unwillingness to “reform” this reconstruction by including Anatolian evidence. As you say, it’s a question of terminology more than an attempt to be as inclusive as possible. Yes, “Late PIE” would work, as well as “Core PIE” perhaps, also “Post-Anatolian PIE”.
Yeap, my thoughts exactly.
And I doubly agree with your remark about Greek and Sanskrit
Sanskrit is PIE!! The Indian homeland was initially the most favored homeland for PIE in the 1800s. Then the leftists usurped academia. The flora and fauna of reconstructed PIE lexicon all seem to point to India (elephants, lion, etc.); syntactically, Sanskrit is the closest to PIE having retained all eight cases, three genders and three numbers, and the original PIE culture only is preserved by India. However, phonetically, PIE is very distant from a Vedic language, mainly because it sounds like a Centum language. So it seems syntactically it is near identical to Vedic Sanskrit, and phonetically it is very different from Vedic Sanskrit, yet still retains archaic forms, like aspirated plosive sounds, such as Bha, lost everywhere else.
However, they say it still not possible that PIE originated in India, but why couldn't the Centum branches have left early and then PIE changed into Vedic Sanskrit at home? The Vedas say the Druyu went north. Considering that Balto-Slavic is a Satam language and it originated where they say PIE use to be spoken, cannot the same apply to India? Even the study of Linguistics originated in India. Europeans 'discovered' what Indian grammarians had written about language. Linguistics as a western discipline has its roots in ancient India, in the study and preservation of sacred texts. The grammarian Panini wrote a description of Sanskrit in about 1500 B.C. There are quite a few linguists that support Sanskrit as PIE but they have been marginalized and censored.
Hey could you add some of your sources to the description? I loved your critiques, but I’d like to go down the rabbit hole
I sure will, I'm travelling at the moment but as soon as I get back to my laptop I'll add the links. I was motivated to do the video based on an overview of the theory in ' The horse, the wheel and language' by David W. Anthony. Indo-Hittite was heavily discussed here jies.org/DOCS/monojpgs/Mon38.html
with a contribution from Lehrman and a critique by Melchert.
And I'll add more sources upon my return home 👍
@@LearnHittite thank you very much! Subscribed.
this indo-hittite thing reminds me of people who categorize modern languages by saying one is older than the other and disregarding the fact of languages being in constant flux.
Right, this discussion is _way_ above my pay grade, but it is the first time that I've heard that Anatolian languages have vestiges of a feminine gender. I had been taught that early PIE had a animate and inanimate genders, and Anatolian branched out before the _-eh₂_ suffix split off the animate gender into two. When you get back home, if you ever are lacking for a topic, it would be great if you could make a video about that...
Meanwhile, enjoy your vacation! It's a beautiful beach, indeed...
Yeah I can sure look into that as a video idea, I'll have to prefix every statement with 'it's heavily debated' though 🤣
I think Kloekhorst has a theory and two other authors (their names evade me at the moment) who have published stuff on a possible Anatolian feminine in the past ten or so years.
It's on the list for my next full length video. I'll start the research tomorrow!
@@LearnHittite That's awesome! This should be a very interesting video; I hope you and the family had fun in Cyprus this past week!
Proto-world as extremely early PIE.
I envy the coffee
Hittite had a famine gender?????
😵my mind is blowen today
It likely didnt, but there is some evidence to the contrary, I think I discussed it in my video on the fem gender.
Sanskrit is PIE!! The Indian homeland was initially the most favored homeland for PIE in the 1800s. Then the leftists usurped academia. The flora and fauna of reconstructed PIE lexicon all seem to point to India (elephants, lion, etc.); syntactically, Sanskrit is the closest to PIE having retained all eight cases, three genders and three numbers, and the original PIE culture only is preserved by India. However, phonetically, PIE is very distant from a Vedic language, mainly because it sounds like a Centum language. So it seems syntactically it is near identical to Vedic Sanskrit, and phonetically it is very different from Vedic Sanskrit, yet still retains archaic forms, like aspirated plosive sounds, such as Bha, lost everywhere else.
However, they say it still not possible that PIE originated in India, but why couldn't the Centum branches have left early and then PIE changed into Vedic Sanskrit at home? The Vedas say the Druyu went north. Considering that Balto-Slavic is a Satam language and it originated where they say PIE use to be spoken, cannot the same apply to India? Even the study of Linguistics originated in India. Europeans 'discovered' what Indian grammarians had written about language. Linguistics as a western discipline has its roots in ancient India, in the study and preservation of sacred texts. The grammarian Panini wrote a description of Sanskrit in about 1500 B.C. There are quite a few linguists that support Sanskrit as PIE but they have been marginalized and censored.
You are an embarrassment to the real Indian linguists.