Nighthawk VS Star Eater & Foetracer (Still Hunt Combo)
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- Nighthawk VS Star Eater & Foetracer (Still Hunt Combo)
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Fellas, use your imagination a bit. The point of the Foetracer isn't to give yourself 3% more weapon damage. The point is to get a 3x surge for one weapon and a 4x surge on another. You wanna Izzy swap? Run 3x kinetic surges with Apex and Goldie to get a 4x solar surge. Wanna do a dps rotation with edge and still hunt? Goldie into a 4x surge still hunt into a bns 3x surge Edge. The combinations are endless, ya just gotta think.
Foetracer basically the same as eternal warrior going for the same roll on my titan
For the foetracer rotation instead of running 3 solar surges run a solar holster it lets you reload for free by swapping to a heavy that way you dont have to manually reload the still hunt and can special reload like you would with izanagi after filling the bar.
Could also use a solar heavy to double dip into this combo. Freeing up your leg armor mods is great for recuperation or scavengers
Tldr nighthawk better because star eater doesn’t work on still hunt
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@@poptartninja9496 he draws out his videos so long just to get the double ads on it
I mean even if it did work on it its not worth anymore since the orb regen nerf
@@The_Geni if u have 6 its still decent just not infinite
3:40 as a WoW and FFXIV player, a tale as old as time
ehroar my rambling goat ily
You’re using still hunt incorrectly.
The rotation for celestial which makes it so powerful is a reconstruction rocket w/ still hunt. Add a solar loader to your armor for this.
Basically,
-pop golden gun
-Pop still hunt, shoot one shot (5 shots in mag now)
-swap to reconstruction rockets.
-Swap to still hunt (which has 6 shots now because of our loader) and charge all 6 shots
-pop golden (reloads the gun)
Repeat
On one hand yea, on the other hand you don’t need to. Still hunt is so busted that you could potentially drop 4 mil damage in one phase (more if your really trying) this out damages everything in the game pretty easily. It’s more than good enough as is giving you the freedom to run an mg
@@Couchwreckerwait till you find that 4 mil is when you do shit damage. You should do like 5 mil on average
You can also:
-prepop Still Hunt
-Pop and shoot celestial
-shoot the celestial still hunt and 5 bullets
-swap then blast two rockets
-swap to the still hunt with one bullet in the mag and shoot that before popping goldie again which reloads the magazine; rinse and repeat
While i feel like ur absolutely correct, idk if using rockets with this many people moving around is the right choice. In terms of damage is obviously is, in terms of survivability not so much. So I understand why he chose to not use rockets during that specific boss.
you should be popping still hunt first and THEN using golden gun to cancel the still hunt animation
my boy pumping out videos like there's no tomorrow 🔥🔥🔥
I see Ehroar I click
Same, him and coolguy
Mf spitting 🗣️🗣️
Great vid. On Titan I was able to get eternal warrior and star eaters and I’m curious how the dps is assuming you’re using a void super and edge transit/ linear.
I think it would be good to look back at when/if still hunt combo gets a nerf
Hope it doesn't get nerfed. Hunters prismatic kit is kinda bland right now
@@ImpressiiveGames if by bland you mean best in the game
@@azrazerz1445 me when someone thinks bland means not every build can solo a raid, only half of them
@@azrazerz1445 by best in game, you mean just punch things?
@azrazerz1445 never said it wasn't good. Just bland; not much variety.
Fortracer + Star-Eaters works better for Cascade dumping Edge Transit.
The combo I run is
-Pop Retribution
-Fire Tether
-Throw Knives
-Fire Still Hunt
-Fire Primary
-Mag dump Edge Transit
have you made a nighthawk build that you like to swap to for dps with the same fragments of your melee build? or have you made a build that specifically you like with still hunt nighthawk on prismatic? i’m workshopping fragments right now, want some input
Basically the the same mods you do for the melle build works the same for nighthawk the only difference is you just use nighthawk for damage
The thing is on its own the Still Hunt can compete with heavy weapons but you can also weave in a reconstruction rocket and swap to that after you pop Still Hunt super to cancel the animation and shoot off your rockets then swap back and shoot. So your doing the dps equivalent of two heavy weapons at once.
Weird question but, could you proc foetracer, for the x4 surge, swap to celestial and then pop the goldie shot?
Oh Ehroar, I love your pauses in between your words, I need more videos. I need more Destiny. I need more you.
Would the shards of galanor perk be better than foetracer for a rotation, would the amount of fireteam orbs comboed with galanor give enough energy for two supers in a long damage phase
Using the holster apex combo is crazy
Have you thought of using duskfield grenade and aspect of command to skip reloading completely
curious what other supers + heavy weapon combos compete with nighthawk stillhunt, with the new class item and maybe more general play being considered. like galanor stareaters and [insert surge weapon here]
I believe galanor is bugged and not giving back super energy so we'll have to wait a bit before that happens
@@woomyboy98 Yeah galanor is being really weird, I tested 3 different hunter supers and they barely got anything back. Celestial literally gave me nothing back since it's only 3 hits max, and silence and squall and the new arc one had to kill like 15 adds to give me back 15%.
No testing the solar holster setup?
Ehroar could you try to max out the DPS from the Titan Rocket Chest Piece?
it s bugged. And Rockets aren t exactly crazy rn
Noob question but would there be a reason I can't hit this hard in vanguard strikes?
Radiant, 3x solar surge, magnetic grenade for 15% weaken, 5% transcendence weapon dmg should = 870k, but I'm only getting 500k-600k
Idk if you said this I blacked out a little but doesn’t golden gun get buffed by kinetic surges? So if you have foetracer to buff the sniper you could have the kinetic surges to buff the super for hopefully more damage right?
Kinetic surge was patched on Goldie this update
Celestial Stillhunt hunters rn: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!
what is the dmg rotation for other classes?
Calling you Denzel from now on, you're the Man on Fire
I got it….. I understood the reference.
I was waiting on this video because I got the foetracer star eater and it slaps
What about wearing the celestial nighthawk but not use the golden gun super? Hit the boss with tether for weaken and start firing? 🤔
Stareater/ foe tracer + tether and still hunt for this class item combo as well. Doesn’t foetracer give weapon damage after an ability?
foe tracer buffs the same element as the dmg of the ability, you would have to run knife trick or swarm nades if you wanted still hunt and tether
He covered this in his video, foetracer is the equivalent of running 4x solar surge mods, which is only 25% bonus. Celestial gives 52% bonus AND you can run surges with it for another 22%, or 17% if you run a holster mod
@@XxTriKzR4KiDzxX right
Using Nighthawk doesn't let you get more golden gun shots off with Still hunt, as the ammo Still hunt uses to fire off it's golden shots is generated when you activate the Golden Gun feature. And the ammo generated is changed to 1 for Nighthawk, where normally it would be 3. So without or without Nighthawk you're getting the same amount of Golden Gun activations.
You’re forgetting the fact that the time to fire three shots is more then the single nighthawk shot meaning while using nighthawk there’s less time between you firing golden gun and you building up crit shots
@@SUP3RAMAD3OUS No I am not, that has nothing to do with my comment. I was just correcting something he said in the video.
@@cerulean5032 it has everything to do with your comment. Less time casting golden gun with still hunt means more time to get crit shots to get more golden gun. Depending on the damage phase that could be the difference between you getting one more golden gun shot or losing out
@@SUP3RAMAD3OUS completely separate thing. what you're describing is just being able to get more regular shots in due to less time spending the refunded golden gun shots. OP here was just saying that you get the same number of normal shots regardless of celestial or not because of the refund mechanic.
Their comment had nothing to do with how fast you can get those golden gun activations off, just how many you could charge with infinite time.
@@dawnables2731 ah that makes sense. I was thinking in terms of the normal raid damage time allotment
With Nighthawk and a Holster you can:
Still Hunt NH shot,
Golden Gun NH shot,
(Holster triggers during NH, refunding the 6th bullet),
6 shots of Still Hunt, hold reload for another NH shot before reloading,
Marksman Dodge,
Repeat.
This is crazy DPS damage, maybe better than a 3rd surge.
Most peeps that are minmaxing dps use apex with explosive light to match surges and shoot 2 rockets while waiting for the holster mod to proc
@@poptartninja9496 No need. Popping your Nighthawk after shooting Still Hunt is enough time to proc the holster for 1 bullet. No need to "waste" power ammo. You can even just run a machinegun for better clears.
@@nireas570 The whole point of running a rocket is to have good dps after your first celestial, you shouldn't just stand there with a machine gun waiting for holster to activate. Sure celestial cast and fire will give time for a holster, but you only have 1 super and thus can only benefit from this once during damage. That's braindead to say "just use your super lol"
@@poptartninja9496 As I stated above, you also have a marksman dodge. So, unloading 2 full mags of a sniper + the golden guns is more than enough time for most DPS phases. I only suggested machineguns for an additional addclear option, since your energy will outdps most heavies, but if you think you can "squeeze" more without losing DPS, please do so. I hardly doubt it without singes.
Where the Greg Shaker Cup at?
Hunters and Warlocks now have exotic weapons and armor with sick synergy. Now it's the Titans turn...eventually lol.
Still Hunt can be charged up when stowed if you have Nighthawk equipped. If you get crit kills, it will charge up the Still Hunt super.
...shhhhhh ;)
Literally just finished watching another vid
You give teammates orbs when using 3 shot (star eaters) which is nice
I wonder if you can get night hawk + star eaters with the exotic class item
No
3:42 Yes.
I love foetracer for the fact it works with any sub class, just a quick weapon swap and it’s Gucci
How does Still Hunt stack against the previous burst king Izanagi??
Far better honestly almost by double
Star eaters are really fun if you're running the new arc super but even with that on I prefer rolling the melee loop with lucky pants a 12P shotty and a hand cannon
what's the TLDR
Honestly i think they’ll remove its infraction with celestial. which sucks but i hope it’ll still be good because im so tired of Izanagis.
I’ve been running this with a thresh + firefly/frenzy fatebringer. Between still hunt and nighthawk I have a super every minute, completely steamrolls every type of content lmao I can’t believe bungie allowed this
Gms are gonna be a breeze 💀
@@Debaoththey have been a breeze since arrivals. Remember the hoil meta LOL.
If u wanna talk about faster super then I suggest using it with the hand cannon and the machine gun from pale heart. The main reason is the origin trait which is basically thresh but better because if u have other weapons from the pale heart (including still hunt) then the super regen can get really insane!
Also the machine is really good for dps as it has recon + bns
@@Shoegaze- yes I do lmao, imagine how much easier now though.
@@Debaoth definitely can’t compare
Yeah but foetracer makes room for other leg mods like stacks on stacks, recuperation for survivability, or other surges
I can't see a scenario where I'd prefer the Foe/Star class item over the Nighthawk. Without 'fire and forget' supers like Gathering Storm and Blade Barrage it's just not really worth it imo. Maybe Storm's Edge but not on bosses where I have to be on a plate or in an aura to deal damage.
Can you plz do a titan test with the chest peice and with star eaters with twlight vs thundercrash
I saw a vid on that, if I can find it i’ll send you the link. But Star Eaters unfortunately doesn’t do more damage than falling star.
Found it: czcams.com/video/4w6V77vfunM/video.htmlsi=Fz8_uhnB3SgzZuD6
Yeah Cuirass doubles the damage of Thundercrash, so Cuirass will always be better for that, but Star Eater is virtually the only buff Titans have for any other super including Twilight Arsenal, so it is most definitely a must have class item.
@@brendanpryce8009 Sadly bungie will never buff thundercrash. High risk no reward. thanks for the video.
@@xavierwinfrey413 trust me i’m well past the point of asking bungie or even suggesting buffs. Whelming damage from that super that can be outdone by a lot of other supers & dps rotations
I wonder if there is a scenario where Galanor + Star Eater could net more damage.
There isn't one. Still hunt gets too much bonus damage from celestial
It’s either buff star eaters damage or nerf nighthawk
When i tested eternal warrior the regular mods stacked with it but it was only 3%
doesn't stack, takes the highest percentage which is the 25% of eternal - overall it's 3 percent higher than 3 surges; use that to get high damage on either heavy or special and then run 3 opposite surges
I think nighthawk should result in the same damage of 3 shots. The trade off being you are using your exotic for 3x easier and faster dps is good enough.
Super, Still Hunt Goldie + 3 shots + solar holster, auto loading cascade point wendigo, lucky pants wardens law, wendigo, still hunt 3 shots + Goldie shots. This would be my rotation.
Now try it in game. Too many hoops to jump through. Better to spam still hunt/5 still hunt 2 apex +holster mod. You want minimal downtime from spamming still hunt
Star eaters need a buff because of the time you take the fired the 3 golden gun shot I think it should do more damage
Least Goofy hunter fashion
The class item is way better than, bird mask
People keep giving you best dressed medals as hunters for some reason 😅
it's insane how nighthawk has 3 ornaments and all of them are garbage, maybe it's for the best verity's brow doesn't have one because it might get worse. i don't even want to think about a helmet uglier than apotheosis veil, that thing is an affront to 3d modelling
@@lucaricci1987 This is bait right
@@lucaricci1987take that back rn
How about with the foetracer/start eaters you use 3 kinetic mods to increas your gg damage and are also benefiting from the x4 solar surge after shooting them?
Goldie no longer benefits from kinetic surge as of TFS release.
Star eaters and shards go crazy
Yeah only for silence and squall or silkstrike.
i wonder if 6 galanor+ses hunters can still chain goldies
After the orb nerf, you barely get any energy from goldie orbs. Outside of close range bosses to proc dynamo you aren't chaining supers anymore
@@poptartninja9496 i get that nerfed ses isnt possible, but w prismatic having some glitches and some exotic class perks providing more than the text tells is something that got into me so i expect this to be possible, just really hard to achieve
While star-eaters is more damage, you want more total damage, which is nighthawk. Nighthawk you doing more golden gun shots on still hunt.
Solar x4 for still hunt + kinetic x3 for golden gun
So 722k without weakened right?
So 830k with?
Edit: so 25% from solar surge would get this to 999,999. I now have a goal lol
Depends on the debuff but ys basically
I just think stareater should be the super damage increaser it makes more sense to collect more orbs to do as well as surpass NH because of the set up. I’ve always felt Nighthawk should be the Wings of sacred dawn, of Hunters. Allowing you to perform airborne attacks as well as a one time rest of jumps. Replacing Bones of Eao from D1 as well. But with steps. You have to ADS then you can jump again but while ADS you are held in place for a moment in air. NH would probably be a nightmare in pvp after this change but why not
So rock Spirit of Foetracer for the extra Still Hunt damage and then triple Kinetic surge for Golden Gun.
Edit: Nevermind forgot you can’t use the exotic class item and an exotic armor piece 😕
Have celestial on, pop still hunt, pop celestial, swap to foetracer class item, fire golden gun super which procs 4x foetracer, fire still hunt, swap and unload 24 cataphracts
do you not just run kinetic surge cuz golden gun works with kinetic surge so you have 4 solar surges and 3 kinetic surges?
Guess cayde got his retribution
Hopefully they buff star eaters instead of nerfing nighthawk but tbh I don’t see that happening
Your method of reloading even when you have knighthawk doesn’t make sense to me. After firing the super shot you just need to hit all crits until you reach 0 ammo, then hold reload to automatically activate the next super shot which reloads the gun on its own.
The 3 shots from the super don’t count towards the next one
If you shoot nighthawk from 6 you have 5 shots and no retribution stacks charged. You shooting 5 shots will not give you sniper super back you need 6.
You only have 5 shots in the mag with nighthawk, and 3 without. You need 6 shots.
The other comments below are correct. This is why most people run double Solar surge and one solar holster so that when they shoot the nighthawk shot and 5 more crits, they shoot two shots of a reconstruction apex and then swap back to still hunt and shoot the one shot that is reloaded and then reproc the caydes retribution buff
@@iAronnorbs also stack Cayde’s retribution, which most likely will be generated during a damage phase. If you continue shooting and hit all of your crits, you should have no problem picking up one or two orbs on the ground to get the second charge
By the way, you don't need to reload first before activating Still Hunt, it will reload automatically for you
yep, even with zero bullets left..if the bar is full, good to go
Nighthawk is all Solar 3.0 Hunter has left and people crying for nerfs when boss dps check points are 5% of the game.
In your damage numbers. You didnt add the transcendence weapon damage on top of that. That stacks with other buffs
So both builds could be getting better numbers
Nighthawk should never be beat in DPS it's the whole point of the exotic, if the Star Eater & Foetracer combo beat it then it'd go back to being a dead exotic and everyone would be rightfully pissed at Bungie.
Not everyone is running 3 surges though. It gives you more damage yes but I like to get more ability energy from orbs or get healed by them to stay alive in harder content.
You are correct but that's kinda becom a you problem since loadouts are a thing most time your just switch to sure at start of damage
I wish still hunt procd apotheosis veil
Imagine shooting a goldy inside a well.
Your test of foe tracer star eater isn’t as good as it could be. You’re meant to utilise the fact it can give you multiple surges from different abilities, freeing up your legs for mod utility mod slots.
It’s a great combination for total damage. E.g goldy will buff still going then throwing a strand melee will buff your cataphract, or throwing a void made/melee will buff your edge transit
73 views in 1 minute. Good Job!
I def think they’re gonna nerf the nighthawk damage in still hunt with how people are behaving with wanting all hunters with nighthawk plus this, i feel like i could forsee them making the stillhunt night hawk damage less than the total damage of the three shots separately, so it’s better dps with nighthawk but less overall damage from the gun with it
when I tested golden gun damage on Kalli my celestial did around 2 percent more damage than stareaters with an overall increase of 72% compared to the normal golden gun; which should be higher than stareaters 70% percent; please someone evaluate. (cause that would mean that in no scenario stareaters would be better if using golden gun)
For future reference, do not test crit based damage on kalli. She has a higher crit multiplier than other bosses and thus cannot be used for information gathering for all content
@@poptartninja9496 it can be very easily converted with basic math as she has a 2x head multiplier, either you shoot onto a divinity bubble which prevents the multiplicator to add to the damage but adds a 15% debuff to the target, which in turn has to be reduced to the 100% level or divide your result by 2 after subtracting the damage dealt be withering blade/ duskfield which deals around 27k for the latter as that was what I was using. the Goa ogre, especially for damage rotations, is fine for testing purposes but needs multiple people for quick testing just like templar does, and Greg is a major destroying the calculation at least when you look at damage dealt to ultras, especially if the source was to be kinetic damage. A nice damage testing location is also K1 Revelation on the moon since the boss at the end is an actual ultra plus you have multiple majors. so it can absolutely be used for damage calculation, especially the percentage difference as long as they are done in the same testing environment, so not mixing up the damage on a major minor and ultra, or even different bosses - as those have different damage reductions on everything, which is how this mistake could have happened. so no, it doesn't matter where you test as long as you know the differences/ special properties and have 4th grade math knowledge.
TLDR doesn't matter where you test as long as the math is mathing, but we should stop the habit of testing on majors when calculating boss damage
@@poptartninja9496 it's a 2x crit multiplier, you just divide the damage by 2 after subtracting all damage that was noncrit, which you do by testing them seperately, or just look at the popping up number instead in the replay
Solar loader, shoot 5 still hunt, then two rockets, still hunt autoloader. No need to reload on any class.
IDC 33% nerf to celestial nighthawk + Still hunt combo. I'm starting to think foetracer whisper of the worm is the next best step.
I think nihgthawk needs to be the best for GG, otherwise star eaters is the best case scenario regardless of super if you rely on super damage.
why even use div on the witness, they got a big ass crit spot already lol?
15% debuff
@@buzzkillraven4528 tether?
@@XxLast_of-all_KingsxX they're all using golden gun
Agreed, what I do is swap to dps setup, pop transcendence
, smoke + hail fire (for debuff damage increase), still hunt, Goldie, apex, still hunt mag dump into 2nd goldie, then back to apex, rinse and repeat throwing smoke bombs when possible thanks to transcendence regen
@@dankerbell then sacrifice a titan, send him in with tractor cannon and falling star
did you need 9 minutes to figure it out?
With foetracer u can do x4 surges from exotic+ x3 from boots to kinetic, thats the point to use it
Everyone can think the titans for being so great at dps they had to nerf them so yall can have your glory.
Is assassins and synthoceps any good?
im actually surprised star eater doesnt work simply because celestial works. its coded as a weapon damage but celestial works..strange
celestial says it buffs golden gun shots, star-eater says it buffs your super
The video is incorrect from the very beginning. since holster is not used. Damage rotation is incorrect
I mean even besides the video proving the same thing.
Just do it like this:
Pop Still Hunt
Pop Nighthawk
Sitch Loadout to Foetracer
Shoot Nighthawk
Get x4 surge
Profit
You're forgetting the other 80% of the damage phase, which means you need to swap back to nighthawk for future still hunt shots
Still Hunt does not work with Star Eater perk soooo no. Besides with Celestial both become one and done and grant more time for getting Still Hunt sniper and rocket/GL combo
yes he knows, he says this in the video
but the main purpose of this weapon is its ease of use and high damage. the ammo economy is special and you get a golden gun shot with it. imagine this in gm where slow play comes in. and you can get lots of ammo. so you just nuke all champs.
what's that got to do with what he said, he didn't say still hunt was bad, he's done the contest raid, he knows it's good
Still hunt will be getting nerfed hard at some point. It is wayyyyy to powerful. The nighthawk combo is probably gonna have it’s damage cut by like 30%-40%
My comment came to life 😭
I've gotten this combo twice....
Same
In the video, he says it's not even close, and nighthawk is still the best, I just saved you 10 min
Still Hunt no good on other classes. I'm a Warlock and haven't used it since I unlocked it. Maybe in the future Titans and us can get a similar weapon. Still Hunt will remain in my vault forever.
i am speedrunning clicking on this holy shit
which makes Caliban the only really useful perk on the exo class item compared to a "normal" exotic.... the rest is pretty mediocre
Everyone complaining about a nonexistent nerf cause the gun is good, how about y’all learn to enjoy shit while it lasts and be happy when the meta changes so it doesn’t get boring
The raid is out NOW, go use the gun in literally everything so you can enjoy it in its prime instead of bringing yourself down by pretending Bungie is gonna nerf it. How about you cry when they make a tweet about it being too strong
i keep telling people if you arent a hunter its not worth it if you have whisper or anything else
In specific the witnesses it's still better to use sh or the raid linear
@@btr1011 whisper you're still doing close to 89-100k per shot with 30+ bullets not needing to reload
I don't know why everyone was hyped about this combo in the first place
Foetracer just isn't the play there isn't any reason to choose it over spirit of the inmost light or spirit of galanor in a normal damage phase scenario
The 4 surge increase for any weapon matching the ability damage. Add to that the nerf this nighthawk build will receive, and the foetracer/star eater build will survive
@@lucaricci1987 you serious ?
No one who really knows how to play prefers a 3-8% damage bonus with his weapons over a 800% regeneration increase to his abilities which you get from the spirit of inmost light.
Be logical
@@Darth-Toastey I haven’t seen the benefits of all the perks, but playing this game since launch has taught me to avoid the meta like the plague to maintain longevity
@@lucaricci1987 good for you