We need to have a KLR talk
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I just got my first ever 2008 klr. I used to ride a 1978 goldwing, and a Harley Davidson Road Glide. I'm 58 and loving the klr.
Don't get rid of your KLR...It's the main reason we watch your videos. You are a KLR guy and part of a great community. BTW, I live in SW Florida. Never take mine off road (although knowing I can is a peaceful feeling).
So you think you outgrew your KLR.....You want comfort? Put a Lazy Boy recliner in the back of your pickup, and have your son chauffer you around Granny Clampet style. I have a 2012 Harley FLTRU Road Glide with 22,000 miles on it sitting in my garage collecting dust because even though it has tunes, a full fairing, big plush seat, hard saddle bags, and tour pack with Captains back rest for two up riding, it is like driving a F word bus. The KLR is infinitely more nimble and fun to ride.In my 50 years of riding, I have had 2 Triumphs, 2 Gold Wings, 3 Beemers, 3 Harleys 1 Indian, 1 Victory, and several Honda's from 55 cc's to 1800 cc's.. This 2016 KLR spoiled me,. I would guess 90-95% of my riding is on asphalt and concrete. I can use my 2016 Yamaha 700 Grizzly SE should I choose to do some serious off roadingMoney is no object, and have room in my toy barn to put several more toys. but in retrospect, I'll choose the KLR over anything I have owned, and will most likely be the last motorcycle I buy.
Whish is exactly why I need to add to the stable and not trade!
I am 6'2", 250 pounds with longer than average legs. I am currently putting the final touch to my motorcycle license. If everything goes according to plan, I am thinking about purchasing a KLR 650 (Black and Orange Yellow) shortly after. This will be my first bike as I turn 62 on Monday Oct. 15.
Why the KLR 650. It has no fuel gauge, no 6th gear, no ABS (scary), no gear indicator, no fuel injection (carburator) and an odometer that resets to zero every 10000 km/miles. In short, it has nothing that we usually find now a days on modern bikes. Sometimes, I think that I should get a Honda CB500X.
But, I fell in love with it when I first sat on it. Feet on the grounds are not a problem for me. I expect it to be top heavy. Especially when the (22 litres / 4.8 US gallons) tank is full. It's not too powerful (44 PS/43.39 HP/32.35 KW). I can not pretend to be mastering the throttle perfectly. I am retired, I can choose when I go on the roads. I kind of prudent (slow) on the road. There are no benefits to drive fast in a big city like Montreal. The speed limit on the highways is 100 km/h / 62 m/h. I like the sound of it. I like the simplicity of it. I like the fact that there is a community for it. That there is plenty of support on the internet (Tim2Wheels on CZcams among others) and lots of aftermarket parts for it. Not bad at all for a bike that the rumors says is about the get discontinued. Besides running the usual errands, the purpose of this bike is the bring this city boy on rides to the country. You know what they say. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Paladin84125, I am impress. You had so many bikes and I am about to get my first. Bottom line, it's more about the journey than the bike.
J.-C. Noel
Montreal, QC, Canada
Oh Scratch! I feel your pain. I am 61 and just started riding last year. I bought a KLR and I do love it too but my heart is for a Harley Road Glide and I can’t shake it. Glad to see fresh content from you. Really appreciate you. Follow your heart brother. I intend to. I feel the weight of time closing in on me. God bless my friend
robetter2 Yes...the time thing. My dream is that Ned Road King Special. If I had the dough it would already be in the garage
Having owned a KLR I can speak from experience. You can go long distances on your KLR. Look into a better seat. Foot pegs also help. But, the best thing to do is just ride it, ride it a lot. Keep pushing yourself to go farther, longer, more riding, less stopping. Like a body builder does not lift weights for a week and then win, or a running go from couch potato to marathon winner overnight. Long distance riding is a conditioning. Yes, a Goldwing or a Ultra Classic is nice, but even on those you need to build up to it. I have done an Iron Butt ride, and will do another in June. This is 1000 miles in under 24 hours. It was fun, but I also rode 14,000 miles that year.
The KLR is also fine on the freeway, I have done many miles on the freeway at 70-80 MPH. I even did a trip from Washington, down the coast Hwy 101 to California on my KLR, in February. Yes, February, it was cold and rained cats and dogs, but was still fun. Don't under estimate what the KLR can do, but also know you need to work up to it. The issue is more you than the bike, but you can fix that.
Thanks so much for the great advice Scott! That's the most encouraging thing I've read. I plan to do exactly that. I want to do a ride to Montgomery AL and back this fall. 3 hours each way. I think that will be a good test.
You can also go long distances in a Jeep Wrangler but all the mods in the world won't change that it is a Wrangler.
Get the tool that's perfect for the job you want it to do then do it. If you want to drive from FLA to Moab then do basic off roading then get a large adventure bike. If you want to comfortable purr along at 80mph then get a cruiser style bike. If you want to go from FLA to my home of Washington but never plan to leave the pavement then get a touring bike.
Think of the journey as the job and the bike as the tool. Use the right tool for the right job. My Honda st1100 is without a doubt the best commuter bike I've ever owned. It's fun in the mountains and it works for touring and I usr it for both...but it's job is to put a smile on my face while taking me to work. To jump on and get a carry out pizza.
Decide what you want to do then get the bike for that .
All your thoughts was going thur my mind for a year or more until a week ago. I gave up the KLR for the Versys, I am happy with my decision. Everyone is different and the GS was at the top of my list until I looked at the whole picture. Test ride what you can. Good luck with your decision.
Is yours the 650 or the 1000 Matt? I just subscribed to you last night. You described the difference in cracking the throttle on the two perfectly!
Scratch Babble I went with the 650 just because I ride alone. If my wife would go with me or I was going cross country, I would have considered the 1000. Thanks for watching & the sub.
I just traded my 2015 Verses 1000 in for a 2018 KLR. The Verses seat was killing me and never needed all that power. The KLR is so comfortable.
I bought a 2008 KLR last March. I've been riding for less than a year. I did three things to it that really made a difference for me. I rebuilt the seat using foam from Dynamic Systems. I bought a seat pan on eBay for $25, some marine vinyl, and overstock foam. I used a yoga mat from Walmart as the dense, first layer. I then added a firm layer and then a soft layer. I needed to lower the seat and was able to do so by about an inch by using 1/2 inch foams. I can now ride all day (with rest stops) and my butt doesn't hurt like it does on the stock seat. The different density foams absorb enough of the vibration that vibration doesn't bother me. I think my first prototype cost me $75. I'm now making it even more comfortable with different weight forms. Plus, with my 30inch inseam, I can almost flat foot it now. It's made a world of difference. I've ridden about six, eight hour days on it with the rebuilt seat.
The other thing I did was buy Eagle Mike's KLX Slide Needle kit. Now, the KLR is surprisingly peppy when I turn the throttle. Could be the best bang-for-the-buck mod out there for the KLR.
Finally, a former KLR owner told me KLR's snap their clutch cables because the tension's so high. I found the clutch tiresome because of the tension. So, I detached my clutch arm at the clutch housing and sent in to TwinHeadlighEarnie who extended it to give it more leverage. Now, my clutch is really easy. Took me a while to get used to it, but now I love it.
I've been looking at touring bikes, too. Seeing as I don't know any better, the KLR works for me. I may buy a 250cc dirt bike, though, because they're lighter and I'm not that great on the dirt...yet. My hunch is I can get dirt skills quicker on a smaller bike.
i knew you were a radio guy you have a perfect radio voice
I am a 2017 Versys 1000 LT rider of 14 months now. 10,400 miles on the bike - bought new. You will not want to go off road on a Versys. 17 in. wheels front and back. It is an AMAZING road touring bike - just back from a 830 mi. tour myself in the hills of NC. If you want to go off-road, better stay to the 650 ranges. V-Strom 650 (XT) seems the most positive for on and off road prowess, IMHO. Thanks for your vids!
I'm leaning toward the V now... But the 1000
🙂 Thanks for the kind words!
Time and money, if only we had more of both. I traded up on my KLR a few years back and still miss it (fortunately I can relive it with your vlogs). Your assessments are spot on on all counts, which is bad news I know, apologies, and from experience I can confirm the best combination is a R1200gsa and KLR650, but you never get there over night, yet life moves on rather quickly. You know the answer, keep the KLR until you can add a GS (new models will hit dealers 2022, while 2019 will see the R1250gs). In the mean time, keep hunting for that perfect spot of solitude bliss on the KLR.
Good day amigo. I sat on a triumph tiger 800 for the first time today. My mind started racing. We’re both having identical feelings about our beloved KLRs and our next vehicles. It’s very strange. Keep the videos coming. Thanks Southern Cali KLR Jim.
Back when I first even considered an Adventure bike for my first bike the look of the Tiger was the one I liked most
Another bike to consider is a used Yamaha Super Tenere. I love mine. And, one big advantage is has is shaft drive.. It is a very stable bike.
Tim Covington I'm starting to really crush on that bike
That's why I said Used. I bought my Tenere with a full set of hard cases for the same price a new KLR and set of hard cases would have cost me.
I'm pretty sure that is exactly what I'm going to do.
I’ve been in the saddle for 52 years. I’m on my fourth KLR 650. I totally regretted getting rid of the first three after they were gone. I decided that I will hang on to this one ’til I’m done riding. Your video seems to be asking for advice, so here it is. I have a 2012 Honda Fury that I bought in your neck of the woods for $6000 on Ebay, and it only had 734 miles on it. I put a tall sissy bar on it, lashed a huge backpack on it and I tour that thing around the country on highways and state roads. All of my motorcycling needs are covered. There it is. Your channel will survive a diversity of types of travel. Or start a new channel. The possibilities are endless.
I was in the same boat and I bought a 2015 GSA and I kept the KLR. But I live in the desert.
Those would be the dream pair for me too. Budget wise looks more like it will be a DL 1000 but I'm OK with that
There's off- roading in Ontario no doubt. But my playground is British Columbia, and it has it all!!!! 👀😏👌👍 Safe adventures everyone.😎👍✌️🇨🇦
I am moving / relocating to the Northwest upper area of North America... so I can play in British Columbia too...
I'm doing same thing and bought the new 850 gsa but my 2012 klr I rode from Colorado to alaska never a issue mechanically but she struggled with my gear and me in higher elevations. I live in alaska we dont have any road over 65 mph speed limit. Didnt think about till I got to lower 48 .
I bought my fourth KLR in Aug of 2018. First gen 2. I truly regretted selling my first three KLR’s. I own two other bikes, and if you can swing it, buy another bike for touring with your S/O and keep the KLR for those off road yearnings no matter how limited they may be.
Or.. maybe you need to move to Canada! Hehehe ;) But seriously, I hear what you're saying. Not much offroad to be had around there. Maybe you can get your hands on an older GS for a reasonable price and throw on a more street oriented tire for cruising? I'd hang on to the KLR if possible so you can compare them.
That or the Super 10 is starting to grow on me
I'm moving to Washington State next month. I have to get rid of my Cruiser and trade it in for a KLR once I'm settled in. I cant wait to hit the trails in Canada and Alaska.
Seriously jealous!
I do hope you keep the KLR. It really doesn't matter what any of us think though. Go with what you think is friggin cool. I'll keep watching. Ride safe.
David Savage Thanks David! I'm probably going to keep it and add another unless a great deal makes itself known!
Scratch, October 2019 I traded in my 2015 Verses 1000 for my 2018 new KLR. The seating position on the Verses was very uncomfortable. I could not sit back far enough due to the shape of the seat. This makes my third KLR in three yrs. In this order 2013 KLR to a 2013 Harley 1200 Sporster then back to 2018 KLR & traded it to Verses 1000 and back agin to the 2018 KLR. I am 68 yrs old and have had inline fours, V twins, and a couple of V-Max. The Verses 1000 power I never needed or used . The KLR is the most comfortable easy to ride bike I've ever had. I dont care any more at my age about being cool. I ride for me.
A Honda dealer here in Arkansas has 2 Africa twins that are carry-overs for $9999. Still brand new. I’m still thinking about getting the standard one myself just as soon as I’m good to go back to work. Doctor told me that riding right now isn’t too good of an idea but I’ve had to take the KLR for a spin or three. I love it
I was in the same place you are my friend. After a 3 year relationship, I just traded the KLR for a 2017 Super Ten.....was sad to see her go but the love affair with the Yamaha grows stronger everyday.
Yeah...I'm starting to see why! I'm falling for that bike
If you are still looking for a Adventure Touring motorcycle, I recommend the DL-1000 V-Strom.
It makes you feel any better I have already priced the new Africa twin Adventure in black and plan to buy one by end of year I had the same dilemma and already have a Touring bike and the KLR I'm getting rid of both of them and picking one of those up it's a good bike and you're thinking the right way
Longrider The new Twin is awesome!
What about the Versys 650? It has loads more highway ability than the klr but is more manageable than the 1000
Dl650 aka V-strom 650. I bought a 2013 with 1,349 miles on it for $4,750. I ride 2 up over mountains, dirt roads solo, commute in town or cruise cow country all day. I'm 6'4" 275# and I don't miss my KLR. I highly recommend the smaller V-strom!
I love the KLR. In my 50s and looking at it for my first bike. Since it doesn't have ABS would it be a mistake to chose it? I'm 6'5" so I like the height of the KLR.
It was my first bike at 60 🙂 No ABS has not been an issue that I can tell. However, my MSF class bike didn't have ABS and I worked on braking A LOT! The only time it even enters my mind is in the rain but I slow down and allow more distance between myself and the car in front. I've not had an issue. With that said when I have ridden ABS bikes I use it to practice my braking. I try to break fast without engaging the ABS
I picked up a 2012 V-Strom 1000 with 3400 miles for about $4500. I had many of the same reasons you cite here and I have been pleased with it. I plan to ride Idaho out this Summer and I believe the Suzuki will be perfect for it.
Good talk. Finding the right bike is hard because you really have to anticipate what kind of riding you're really going to do. But you don't really know until you start riding. I think I'm leaning toward a Versys 650 or Vstrom 650.
Like hearing your thoughts..
I reside in Thailand a couple of months a year and looking to get a new KLR so wifey and me can get out and about in this amazing country.
I live in UK where I have several bikes, my favourite being a 1250 GS.
I'll let you know how things progress..
Take care..
Tim.
Neato. You must have a cool job.
Last week I sold my 2015 Harley-Davidson Street Glide Special.....Eventually I want to own a KLR. I hated having something in the garage that I was constantly worried about the wife, or 14 year old son scratching it. I want something that is low maintenance, reliable, fun to ride. And if you drop it once in a while...so be it. It will be fun to work on, with my son. The KLR, or something like it, makes life simpler, when it comes to motorcycles.
Ron Alvey You just perfectly described the KLR. Perfectly. You won't regret it. But, if you've never ridden a KLR then coming from a Harley touring bike it's going to seem like a cheap toy... But oh what fun!
I live in Calgary so close to mountain trails and roads. had 7 bikes over the last few years including a KLR. I now have one bike, an Aftrica Twin. and LOVE IT!!!
How is it on the highway? 70 to 80 mph? I guess that's around 130 kph according to Google 😉
no problem cruising at 100mph (160kph) and can do that all day long. I have had it up past that too, you know passing and such :) Going to this from my KLR was insane, huge difference in every way, not even on the same planet.
Rob McKay iv seen a couple if people say it wasn't good on the highway but they didn't say why
I can only compare it to my KLR, Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Tiger, 2015 Triumph Bonneville, Honda VFR 800 and some other older bikes. But its miles ahead on the road than the bikes above. I have the taller Honda windscreen and get 0 bugs on my visor and 0 wind buffering, its an absolute joy to ride. Also check the maintenance scheduled out, it is also amazing.
Forgot to mention, I have the 6 speed.
I get it completely.
Right down to the divorce part.
I HAD a KLR.
Nearly identically equipped to yours.
I brought it in for a new rear tire & left a half hour later with a new Versys 650.
& haven’t looked back.
I too loved my KLR. I was offered an amazing deal on trade & impulsively took it.
You Will need 1000 cc or better for comfy 2 up.
I personally love the Africa Twin. But any big ADV bike will do they are all great.
The KLR is a great bike, but yes it lacks long range comfort.
You narrowed down where you ride, now get the right tool for the job !
You will be thrilled, I promise.
I'm really liking the S10
I was deadset on buying a Yamaha Super Tenere, but I decided that I'd get the KLR because it was a cheaper option to see if I enjoyed the dualsport style of riding. I must say, I should've just got the Yamaha, or a Triumph Tiger, or a KTM, or......etc. But I agree, a long superslab ride on the KLR, 2-up....nope.
KLR was purely economic for me. But I have fallen 8n love with it....for what it is. Now I need something for what it isn't!
Same with me. I didn't want to finance a $15k (or more) motorcycle and realize I din't like the "style" of this style/genre/riding geometry....but....I like it, a lot and I want a bigger machine. I went about motorcycles in an odd way. First bike was a 2005 Ducati Supersport 1000ds, second was a 2007 Honda VTX 1300r....and then the KLR....
I'm on KLR number 5. Every time I trade off a KLR, thinking I will like something else better, I eventually end up back where I started. I currently have a KLR and an 1150 GS Adventure. The GSA is great for touring, but almost completely useless off-road. I too am thinking about the AT. Is it the perfect middle of the road, do it all bike? I may sell both and go find out...
I'm pretty sure that my next bike but I have to keep the KLR. It's just too economical to sell and it's my first bike. I love that bike.
The KLR goes great with any bike.
Agree!
Luxury problems! I’m 61, my 2014 KLR is my 7th motorcycle, I live close to the Adirondacks in NY., and ride some dirt roads every year. Last weekend I was torturing myself with the which other motorcycle would be “better” while riding my awesome KLR down a beautiful winding rode by the lake. What came to me was this question: what more do I expect a motorcycle to do for me? My KLR is comfortable since the mods I’ve done, has enough power for my old man riding style, sounds great with aftermarket exhaust, and is one of the best looking KLR’s I’ve seen.....what else do I need?
More time to ride, and more amazing ADK scenery, a $15,000 BMW adventure bike won’t give me anything more than less money.
Perfectly said and the conclusion I ultimately came to!
I have a 2015 KLR which I LOVE. However, I understand what you're saying. I have been taking a close look at the 2017 & 2018 Suzuki V-Strom 650 XT. The new model Wee Strom 650's have gotten really good reviews. I'm looking at the 650 because it's not that much heavier than the KLR and the XT is capable of doing light off-roading. The 650 is going to be more fun on the twisties and it can still cope with long hauls on the interstate. In several reviews the 650 tends to edge out the 1000 in the "fun" factor category. I've seen plenty of posts from former KLR owners who wish they had kept their old mule.
So here is my 2-cents, keep the KLR for now and get the next bike you want. You can always sell the KLR on Cycle Trader and more than likely get a better price for it than you can from a trade-in with the dealer. If the new bike doesn't touch you in all the right places, you still have your old love to comfort you. ;)
Have to admit, when I watched this I felt a cold chill and said, "Oh no." More than one bike, as you say, is a good way to go if you can swing it. And we all have personal desires and styles. My biggest regrets on trading the KLR are giving up the ability to be on the reservation in ten minutes, riding in Nature, being in a whole other world. I got 1450 trade in on my 06 KLR. I could have kept my KLR and only increased my Sportster payment by just a little. And I'd be hopping on that KLR for a local escape adventure often. Some folk said if I bought a Sportster I'd be wanting a bigger Harley within a year. It's been a year and a half and I'm looking at KLRs, adventure bikes, and even 250s.
I'm pretty sure I'm keeping it Mike unless I trade it down the road for a 259 for dirt
Tires will make all the difference. I'm running more of a adventure style tire that is more street but have some off road. I run a air hawk seat pad. I have highway pegs. And when I put the fork brace on. It makes the bike a hole different animal above 75mph. I have had mine well above 90 and its smooth as butter for me. There is stuff that can be done to make the bike more livable on the highway. I highway commute to work all the time with no issues
My worry is I will do all the upgrades and still not be happy! My brain hates me!
Its all in what you want. You have went alot more in then I did. I have simple soft bags. My rear bag is my 30L backpack that I used the last two years. I have a small tank bag. and my Rear racks are really rear crash guards that work with soft bags. The KLR is what is called the "Starter ADV bike." Some keep them around. Others move on from them to something bigger. Your bike is alot newer and in better shape then my 09. Mine is't worth half the money I dumped in to it. But I never plain to sell it. I do plain to go bigger. But I will keep the KLR till the frame rots away. The KLR like I said is meant to get your feet wet. Once you decide what side of adventure riding your more for. You go that way. But I will say for two up. ADV bikes are not always the best to travel on.
Just a couple of thoughts.... I totally get where you are coming from. Motorcycling is a journey and different bikes fulfill different parts of that journey. So if you have to leave the KLR world to keep on moving then so be it. Option 3 is my vote but finances never seem to line up with motorcycling goals. I had a similar dilemma and regret trading my VStrom 650 to this day.... I know I am not helping.... Bottom line though is that you have to promise to keep making videos my friend. Good Luck!!
Box of Chocolates Thanks BOC! I just don't realistically see a way I can part with the KLR. I'm going to have to figure something out
Definatly keep it, just add a fork brace and a few mods.
Definitely staying!
Get a front fork brace, it will be a lot more comfortable on the highway and better handling as well. Get a 16tooth front sprocket too.
ConditionRed I have the 16 but not the fork brace. If I keep trying to make this thing more highway friendly that's next!
Found your channel in suggested videos. Smacked that Subscribe Button. Good stuff. Having owned a KLR I agree with your assessment. I have been riding ADV for about 6 years and motos for 40+. Use caution when purchasing "premium brand" motorcycles (BMW/KTM/etc). The maintenance costs will kill you. The best way I have found to purchase a motorcycle is a hold-over like you were talking about. New bike and used price with a warranty. The Honda is a nice bike but may be a little more dirt orientated than what you would like. What you seem to be describing is the V Strom 1000. There are tons of hold overs dirt cheap. They are capable with a good set of tires. I know. I have a boat load of videos on my old V Strom. Keep up the great content.
Right now, and I have some time before I do anything, I'm kicking around the 1000 V, Super T and the Versys 1000, in my head. I really need to find a way to ride them all over the next year or so
Suzuki v strom 1000 is probably the best value for money out there at the moment nice in yellow I think!!but come in black or white too.great for fire tracks and a bit more.African twin is a great machine as is the tenere but Suzuki is definitely great value for money.I know what you mean about the klr on the highway it's pretty scary because you can push 80 mph but it's happier at 70ish but the 18 wheelers are up your ass and passing you.Definitely need more power and stability for highway riding.I sold my klr because I had bought the Yamaha super tenere and although I thought I would keep the klr too well I just wasn't riding it I always got on the Yamaha. So with a heavy heart I sold the klr.I think for you its either the Yamaha Honda or suzuki.Tubes put me off the African twin.
Derrick Murphy The Yamaha is so damn nice!
Scratch Babble yes they are but they are a bit clunky at low speeds but if you change modes from sport to touring mode it's not as bad.I do think the Suzuki would be smoother but I'm only guessing. Everyone complains about that with the tenere but I suppose it's pretty minor and some say you can get an electrical box that smooths out your power.
Before you take any drastic measures, switch the front sprocket to a 16 and if that still doesn't satisfy you, switch your rear sprocket to a 37.
I've decided to keep her...forever. The 16 was one of the first things I changed and I love it what a difference. I did a vlog on it if you want to compare notes
My son and I both have KLRs, I also have a Harley. We had the same problem with long road rides sooooo last week I bought a 2003 Honda ST 1300 for cheap. I did that so my son can ride the Harley and I ride the Honda. We rode a couple hundred miles today on with great comfort compared to our ride two weeks ago on the KLRs. So thats what I did. Ride on brother!
Guitarzan That sounds perfect!
Scratch Babble The ST1300 is like a Goldwing on steroids! I call it my Intercontinental missile
Sounds like a cruiser for you Scratch B . Comfy, 2up good, travel with ease now. Vulcan 900 is nice
I’m betting You won’t miss the dirt while you are smiling down the road, and you can realistically ride to lots of natural beauty on a cruiser
Full Cipher It's definitely on the list. Used cruiser prices are getting better and better. I loved the Road King Special I rode. Nowhere near my budget but truly an amazing bike.
Well, if you have to sell the KLR, the VSTROM 1000 is what my cousin (he has a Super Tenere) was telling me to buy. He said that I would definitely be more comfortable on a letre bike for the high speed. I found some used ones for the same price as the KLR. I love my KLR, but I hear you about the highway miles; I put on a super moto fender down on the Eagle Mike fork brace and that has helped. Still not super stable over 110km/h. Keep us posted.
Ron Timber That was the first 1k bike on my radar. Still go back to it because they show up used in my area from time to time
I think i saw a vid of a young kid who rode his orange KLR from Canada - Panama
keep your KLR!
Im planning the same trip for next summer..North too dead horse Alaska and back south too the Darian gap.I'm going too pick up a brand new 2018klr from the dealer this week so i have all winter too get it set up the way i want..With a few little tweaks you can deaden a little bit of the buzz on the road and make it bearable for long drives..
I was in the same dilemma you are in on this video back in 2015. I ended up selling my KLR after I bought a Triumph Tiger 800XCX. Now that was an upgrade. But, I didn’t want to run the Tiger off road much. So I ended up picking up a Suzuki DRZ400S used for a steal. Now as much as I loved the KLR for all around, the DRZ is hands down better off-road than the KLR. That might be a path forward for you. Get a GS/Tiger/Vstrom and later get a DRZ400S for the off road stuff.
I really wanted the KLR as my first bike and had a really good deal on a used 17 with only 100 miles on it but I knew I wouldn't be doing a lot of trail riding. Most of my riding is daily commute on 4 lane highway at 70+ out weekend back road jaunts. I went with the Versys 650 as my choice. Love it. I'm the future possibly an Africa twin or tiger as I would love to do ride the Dalton highway.
The Dalton is a dream of mine too. I've been wondering about the Versys 1000 but they are hard to find used
Scratch Babble they get great reviews but almost impossible to find used.
Vstrom 1000 would be a great choice. Another option is the triumph tiger I love mine 800 my son has a tiger 1200 adventure they both cruise great on the highway. Keep the klr
Trigger 800 is also an option its really over all bike
Sounds like a V-Strom 1000 or the Super Tenere would be right up your alley for the riding you describe.
I'm so torn between the ST and the AT
Speaking for myself, after reading the reviews of the ST, AT and V-Strom I would probably choose the V-Strom over the ST because of the signifigantly lower weight and more nimble handlingover the ST. I've seen great deals on 2-3 year (both models) bikes with low mileage. Go to stromtrooper.com and poke around some. I've ridden an Africa Twin and it's a helluva bike but I think it's a bit more off road oriented than what your describing (better off road but wouldn't be as good on the road). Nice to have choices, but sometimes hard to decide. Good luck.
I know I'd be happy with V 1000. That does fit the bill for what I'm wanting. Hard to find used in my area but I'm going to extend my search. Thanks for helping me to stop over-thinking!
Try a klr cruser seats I have seen them heard there make a huge difference
Look for a older used GS and if you can keep the KLR you will be set :)
i love my DR but i also have a 2006 f650gs for when i need to do longer faster rides or take the wife out riding (wont get on the farm bike )
and for what its worth , the gs is very capable of road ;)
take care mate and ride safe :)
Thanks Jeff! A couple if my friends have GSs and live them. I'll occasionally see them on Craigslist around here from 7 to 9k
I know this video is 4 months old but i'll tell you my thaughts anyway. Keep the KLR because you're not going to get much for it anyway. I've been trying to decide between the KLR or the V-Strom 650. The Suzuki dealer near me has one on sale for $6,599. The KLR is going for $5,599. So for a thousand dollars more you get, ABS, fuel injection, 2 cylinders, traction control, a 6 speed transmission, & it only weighs 38 pounds more than the KLR. My mind has been made up on my next motorcycle based on these figures & features. If I were you, I'd look around for a good deal. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Dan I'm keeping her for sure. She'll be paid off next year then I'm going to look for a used Strom 1000. As for you, light to light/medium off road and a fair amount of highway then I'd go Strom. If you plan to ride a fair amount of off road and don't have to ride interstates regularly you can't beat the KLR. That extra grand will get you crash bars, luggage and a 16 T sprocket! And more!
Keep the KLR. What i'm hearing you say is that you basically want a comfortable long range 80mph 2-up bike with some power, maybe not necessarily another dual sport. I'd recommend a used BMW 1200RT. You can pick one up low miles for around $6k. Another good option would be a Yamaha FJR1300. Both have luggage options.
I really like the RT and you're right I see them reasonably priced
Years later,, what you can afford and what's right for your driving, is the VStrom 650. 80/20 stable with two, fire roads no problem, cheap. Hope you found something.
You may have already made a decision, but you ALWAYS need at least two bikes. Just a flat tire on a Saturday morning will keep you from riding all weekend if you don't have a backup! Also, Ive had a couple KLR's and I would love to have one now. Right now I have an Africa Twin and I love the bike! Pick one up and keep the KLR too.
That's exactly the plan! And either an AT or a DL 1000. I need a long distance tourer with passenger capable of interstates comfortably. And light to moderate off - road
A very late comment, but you know everyone who sells their KLR is regretful later!!
You don't say what is uncomfortable on long rides. Many people tour on KLRs. Long distances are not easy on any bike. The grass isn't greener unless you're willing to spend $25k on a BMW. The KLR is renown for comfort, at least the new ones. I think you should upgrade parts for comfort, and break your body in. You could get a 720cc upgrade and a 17t sprocket and a nice seat. You'll be plenty fast on the highway. You'll get another bike and complain of the seat, the fairing, the reliability, the lack of support, the this and that. A GS is probably the only thing that would fully satisfy you.
Scratch, go with the Yamaha Super Tenere. If you want to do long rides and fire roads it is exactly what you want. Cruise control is really nice man.
I liked my KLR but had to sell it since it was getting too painful to ride due to arthritis. Life happens. Now I’m looking at scooters since I miss riding. You are thinking too much, get what makes you happy.
Best advice yet. Thanks Michael!
Why not try a 16 or 17 tooth counter shaft sprocket. that might give you a better highway speed and still allow you the off road that you want to do.
Try a Versys 650 sometime. The KLR is a gateway drug to that bike, you would like it.
If you close your eyes its like "This is Scratch Babble,and you're listening to the Late Night babble and scratch show on 103.1 The Blaaaaaze" minus the thumper KLR backing track lol
Age and cigarettes will do that to a voice! Well, and allergies 😁
Ha ha.. I have to chuckle watching this video. You mention a GS or GSA & that's what I currently have for an adventure bike. I have been contemplating selling it because it is a bit more to handle than what I wanted for off road. However I have a KTM 530 EXC that would be a descent bike for very short road trips to the off road if I needed it to. Love the GSA on the road and great on dirt roads but I don't think I will be taking it on any single tracks anytime soon.
My GSA is buttery smooth & love the bike. I am sure you will like one if you get one.
I have only recently discovered your channel and also bought my first KLR but I have been riding for 40 years, I haven't always been as vigilant about maintenance as I am now that I'm more mature but I gotta tell you I am so over chain maintenance and I hear the call of shaft drive motorcycles. That being said have you given any thought to the Yamaha Super Tenere? All the power you would ever need but none of the yuppie of the B-urn M-y W-allet and the most appealing part to me is the shaft drive. If i do pull the trigger on the big Tenere I'll try my best to hold on to the KLR if my budget permits as I too am a KLR junkie now.
Frank Shively The ST is looking better and better the more I learn about it
For straight touring with no off road capability my personal preference is the Concours 1400. The ST is heavier than the Concours and the FJR but all that matters is that you're happy with the choice you make and you're only doing it wrong if it doesn't make you smile!
I still in the back of my mind want the illusion of being able to go off road if I choose 😉
on a Honda ST1300?
Wait you meant AT didn't you?
Go with a V-strom 1000 I bought a new one back in March, a yellow xt. I also kept my 15 klr. For your riding style it would be perfect, also look at a 650 v strom, there WAY better than a klr on the road.
It would have way more power better comfort, and still capable of doing all the off road your going to do.
I'd stay away from Africa twin, they have had lots of problems with them, especially the forks wore out in 5000 miles. Honda claims to have fixed the problem on the 2018 models but who knows! You can pick up a nice used V-STROM in the $3500 to 4000 price range
string twister Too many choices! 😉 I do like the V. When I started thinking about moving up that's the one I've been looking at most.
I think it’s awesome that your getting into riding. At that age. I think more people should. Anyway but commenting on the bike. I would definitely do a gs if you can afford it. It’s the king of distance and comfort. I live in ca ride a zx14r and followed a guy from NorCal to az doing 95 on a gs Also it handles like a sport bike.
Man if only! Maybe this channel will take off and in 20 years I'll be able to afford one! 😉 That's the dream bike
What are the chances that you will take a long ride and then want to off road? I have a KLR. I love my KLR. I will never sell my KLR. I intend to get a bike for cruising next year. Think about getting a real full dress cruiser. You can pick up a great Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager for 8,000 - 12,000. And you will love it for cruising and going two up.
Daniel Quirke good point
You are correct. FL is cruiser country. Live just north of Tampa and love ADV bikes, watching ADV riding videos etc. But have come to grips with the fact FL is not great for off road Sandy riding. Just purchased a Harley and gonna ride it for a while. Also like you crave a ADV bike trip. GS, Yamaha, and Honda are all in my list of eventual bikes to tour. Cause I will probably trade in the Harley for an ADV tourer
That's the way it's looking. I'll prob ly keep the KLR too. It's just so economical!
V Strom 1000 Swanky ... keep the KLR and use it for the commute and some trail riding .. keep the klms down on the Strom. I have a 2014 V Strom 1000 ... comfortable and reliable. I am in the process of buying a KLR or a DR so I can keep the commuting klms down on the V Strom :-) Good luck with it Mate
I have a nice 2017 klr in dig camo with tusk crash bars, panniers, fmf pips larger my bend pro taper bars with klr dash kit center stand Dunlop 606s. Right as I got done with it I stumbled into a killer deal on a 2 year old Africa twin. I bought it!! I still like the klr but the 6 speed, fuel injection, fuel gauge the seat, that almost 100 hp in-line twin, the front fairing, brakes, lighting, the stock seat that I adjusted to lower setting is so much more comfortable to me than even my Re done seat concepts seat my gosh it is a thousand times better than that KLR!! No offense because I love the klr. I bought it brand new for like 6100 bucks with tax etc it was 6500 dollars. I’ve put 2k worth of crash bars panniers etc and plan on letting my son or a buddy ride it. I’m just amazed I gave 8k for AT and it only needs luggage. Otherwise it’s totally set up for traveling. If u ever click thru that magnificent 6 speed wide ratio box and hear the growl of that twin, the KLR will feel like a mini bike. The only disadvantage I see is weight. This Africa twin has abs, 3 performance modes. It’s a sophisticated 14k machine new. I got it from a 71 year old that was quitting just put brand new tires on it. It has 4K miles looks brand new. I have more in my klr. What I want to do is sell the almost brand new klr, my and buy the new crf450l for dirt and keep AT for road occasional gravel roads and the tat. I hope.
Scratch, take your dolly on a two up test ride on the bike you want to purchase. If you're just running on road you can get a really nice Yamaha FJR for 5 to 6K
Stafford Video Productions That's a great idea. It would be dumb to buy something she's not comfortable on
I watched two of your videos yesterday, and during both of them I was thinking "This guy should be in radio because he has the perfect voice for it." Then I start watching this one and you mention that you work in radio!
I'm seriously looking at getting a KLR. My dream bike has always been an Indian Chief Vintage, but I'm just too practical and frugal to indulge that much. I could add some serious mods and farkles to a KLR and then take quite a few awesome trips for what it would cost to buy and insure an Indian. And I wouldn't be able to take an Indian off road. So, practicality wins out.
I'm concerned about the bike's height, though. I've seen a few videos by guys who are 5'10", and they seem to be okay with it. I plan to go check one out in person this week at the local dealer.
I look forward to watching more of your vids. You live in a perfect area for riding. I was stationed at Eglin AFB back in the early 90's and I really enjoyed it.
Stay safe!
Thanks Bruce! What will you be doing the most of on the bike? On road vs off road.
Scratch Babble I'm thinking about 50/50 or 60/40. I was raised in Arkansas, now live in east TX (down a gravel road that turns into a sand road), and would love to get more familiar with the back roads of both states and several others. I'm not keen on riding the interstates or even regularly cruising over 60 mph. If I do get a bike, I just want to take it slow, stop often to see the sights and experience the people, and enjoy nature. So I'll be using farm to market and county roads mostly and camping in state parks or national forests.
I was originally looking hard at the V Strom, also. That's how I discovered Nutnfancy. The I found the channel of a German guy who rides a Yamaha Tenere (Not the Super Tenere, but a smaller single cylinder model. In fact, not sure the bike he rides is available in the US.) He has many videos that I intend to watch. He also seems like an extremely practical and down-to-earth person with whom I share a similar philosophy on riding, traveling, and enjoying the experience.
I forget which video introduced me to the KLR. At first I was a bit skeptical of a single cylinder bike, but after watching quite a few vids by different people, and seeing all of the mods and farkles that can make it such a better bike, I'm convinced that I could be content using one to travel anywhere if I modify it appropriately.
I am still tempted by the V Strom. I'm sure I would want to change the wheels to those better suited for off road. There's one for sale not far from me that I'm still tempted by every few days. I'll paste the link below.
shreveport.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2012-suzuki-vstrom-1000/6664823857.html
@@brucetalley3798 You just can't beat the prices on the V Strom! However it's not a true 50/50 like the KLR can be but if your off road is dirt, gravel and not too many ruts and big rocks then the DL can do it. Just have to slow down on the rough stuff....plus it's heavier to pick up!
Keep the KLR, add what ever you want later when better able; you'll be a rich happy man.
Happy yes. Rich in every way but money!
You aren’t going to see squat on the interstate . Keep the KLR and keep it at 55 mph on state roads. You don’t need to get there any faster. Your thumper has everything you need. Make the proper adjustments in gearing and tires, and adjust your seating. I can’t get on board with a GS because of the maintenance costs, overall costs, etc, and it looks really heavy if you drop it, when riding alone. The KLR is the equivalent of a mid 90’s Jeep YJ or XJ. You can afford it and it will always get you there and home, wherever that may be .👍. As a bonus, a few scratches and dents enhance the look.
All true! Tha KS for the comment and I apologize for not responding sooner
I feel your pain SB. But I think your problem was adequately defined in your opening comment, "I bought the KLR for ROMANTIC reasons....". Parting is always such sweet sorrow, nest ce pas?
I have been riding a 2013 KLR for the past five years, stopping only two weeks ago because I crashed at low speed but in a hospital worthy manner, consequently putting my bike in the hospital as well. It may or may not be written off....and I long the have it back. And this in spite of the fact that I have a 2015 Super Tenere waiting for me in the garage (had it since new). Two wonderful bikes!
I could wax long and hard about the charms of the KLR, proclaiming its solid virtues on the 5-8000 km long open road as well as its capabilities in off-road, but here are the negatives that force me to consider retiring it in favour of the S10:
∆ 35" seat is no fun for this 5'11" frame and causes all sorts of trouble off-road given my relative inexperience
that terrain.
∆ Its heavy enough to start with but the real offence is that it is top heavy. No fun to pick up at all....and you will
certainly be dropping it off-road, and even on the pave if you are not careful
∆ The KLR is a veritable sail in a cross wind. Riding from Vancouver to Winnipeg and back left me feeling like I
was wrestling a steer every day all day.
Aside from these limited but important issues, what a great and charming ride!
By contrast the S10 is over 100 lbs heavier and is generally thought to be far too heavy for its type. However it carries its weight low in the bike and thus feels far lighter than it is (I have no off-road time on it yet). I bought it so I could ride two up and one wants to ensure that not only will a given bike be capable of that but that the pillion will actually be comfortable. And the S10 cuts through the strongest cross winds with only mild buffeting. For me that is worth much indeed!!
Ryan from Fortnine (czcams.com/video/gPXAA1hFZNY/video.html) has an incredibly unique and informative take on the Super Tenere.
The bottom line for those of us who can't afford it all is that we need to separate ourselves from the emotional to make solid practical choices. I suggest that if you trade up to one of the larger options out there, it will be just a matter of a short time before your affections are transferred to the new ride.
Best of luck!
Rob Krochenski Rob, so great of you to respond at length. And also lucky for me you wrote because it confirms my plan. I am definitely keeping the KLR however, EVERYTHING I see and read about the S10 says it's the bike for me. In short order the KLR will be paid off and I'll be looking for a 15 or newer ST. I just can't see parting with the KLR. It's a great commuter and the Sandy trails in my are are more suited to it. Plus its so cheap to own and work on. Like you I want my sig other to be able to ride a distance in more comfort and I have some solo trips in mind that would require long rides on the highway to get there. I think the S10 would be perfect for that. I'm rededicating myself to taking my KLR off road this fall until I'm comfortable riding in sand. And I look forward to the day I am able to buy the Tenere. If you ever post any videos of yours I'd love to see them and I will be picking your brain in the future. Again, Thanks so much for writing!
Thank you for your reply!
Mason does have a valid point in that having both bikes at the same time will serve to crystallize your thoughts on the issue, one way or the other.
It is a marvellous thing to be perplexed by, is it not? Happy riding.
Rob Krochenski Indeed!
I love my klr, but I have to admit I hate the seat. There, i said it, lol. I am hesitant to buy another seat in case I don't like it any better at the crazy prices, and not keen to try and do the seat cut method myself, that's too artistic for me! If I was more comfortable for longer cruising periods I don't think I would ever consider trading it in! So I get where you are coming from, stick with something that can still ride a gravel road and I think you will be happy.
TitanTrails I'm probably going to add the Seat Concepts Commuter seat because my sig other and I can do an hour in either direction on the coast for day trips and the bike is fine but the seat needs a little help
If you do I look forward to the review and your input on the difference if any. Cheers and happy riding, I need to go down to the basement and apologize to my klr now for insulting it's seat, hahahaha!
Seat Concepts makes a great seat for the klr. Worth the money.
I rode my 08 klr for 7 years sold it and bought a BMW r1200 adv in 15 sold it 10,000 mi 2 years later.Looking back the kawasaki klr was the best for the money.The BMW is an awesome machine.The next one will be a 2019 versys 1000 se. I aways find Kawasaki to be the best for the money spent in my opinion.
I considered Versys... Still undecided on what will join the KLR
I've owned a KLR (and miss it) and a GS. It sounds to me that your riding is inclined to a GS. You can't go wrong with any of the big adventure bikes.
That's what's so hard Dave, too many choices! I really need to try and ride them all
You don’t care for looks (since you ride a KLR now ;). May I suggest you keep the KLR for shorter commuting and when you do get a chance to go more off-road, then for almost no money, find a Tiger 955 for long distance and you can take it on dirt roads. That triple is sweet and bulletproof. I had a Triumph Sprint ST but found it cramped for my 6’3” height. A Tiger would be a great touring bike. Or if you can swing it, try a BMW R1200RT.
I have a 1981 Honda CB900C I would sell you. With the Corbin seat and full fairing it's like riding the couch down the highway. Only problem is I'm in Indiana and you are in Florida. Next time you come up to see Bob and Tom stop by!
Ha! Will do. Met them once a long time ago at "Morning Show Boot Camp" in Atlanta
Does Emerald Coast Harley deal with the local police motor officers, they trade their bikes in, you can get a great deal on a used Police Road King, they do that at my dealership. Really fantastic pricing, some with low millage. Stay safe with Alberto coming, you know I am not to far away, but slightly out of the cone. There is nothing like taking a M/C road trip, (even for a couple of days) , even more fun with some friends.
Okay, I just watched more of this vid. Have you considered finding a 2016 KTM 1190 Adventure? Not the Adventure R. Some dealers still have one or two in stock. The dealer nearest to me has one in stock, and had it clearanced on their website at $12,999 this past weekend, but now has it priced back up at about $15,000. It's a new bike. From what I've read so far online, the 1190 is a better bike than the 1090 or 1290. There's a retired AF Lt Col who used to ride a V Strom 1000 but 'upgraded' to the KTM 1190 because he thinks it's the world's best adventure bike. Maybe you've seen his channel, nutnfancy. He gives a good, thorough and down-to-earth review.
He's great Bruce! For my purposes and pocketbook the V Strom will fit the bill. The KTM is an incredible machine though. BTW it was his vlogs that convinced me the Strom could actually do a respectable job off road. It will be used primarily for touring but I like having the option when I get where I'm going. Thanks for writing!
Well lots of bikes are out there and if it’s road distance you want to run then a road only bike might be the way to go. You could go with a big bmw which could go off-road and on road, you could also go with a used concours from Kawasaki. Lots of choices, going to require some real thought to this one. Good luck.
william v The problem is.... TOO MANY CHOICES! 😉
I am looking at a first bike for myself. Too many choices and choices get better over time. Looked and liked the kilt then, the new bmw came along (gs310r). Now my choices are cbr500 or the new ninja 400. All this means that I feel your pain. Good luck bud.
We need it!
Can you tell me the name of that jacket, it seems perfect for me.
www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/rev'it-eclipse-jacket I love it. I'm 6'1 220 and usually a LG to xl depending on the jacket but these run a little smaller. Go up one size. I'm a 2xl in this one.
Thankyou.
You're welcome. I think you'll really like it. I was torn on the brown in Florida but wore it in 85 degree weather and it was great. Thought the silver would be cooler but this is plenty cool
Good luck to you Scratch.
option 3
That's the decision!
Yamaha World Raid 700cc may be the perfect adventure bike.
+Mitchell Webb II I'm definitely looking forward to seeing that
I hear you man be patient and when finances are in order treat your self another used bike of choice ...meanwhile enjoy your KLR.Im also 61 with a KLR and a fatboy but still love the KLR.Good luck brother it will happen.👍👍🍺
+Manny Bonello Hey thanks Manny. I'm doing just that....but it's not easy lol
I hear you ... Us old guys need to slow down so we can savour every day we have left , but I do feel your pain.👍👍🍺 cheers mate.
Do it now unless you have a 100 year warranty on your body. Just had unexpected surgery at age 55, off motorcycle for 3 months. Dr said I dodged a bullet.
Thanjs OT! I'm glad the bullet missed center mass!
I had the same problem as you, enjoying my first bike a KLR, which I now have for about 6 month, commuting from home to work. The KLR is an excellent commuting bike, but It lacks some power with my wife as a pillion to do some weekend and long distance touring at higher speeds. I am from South Africa where off or on road exploration is basically limitless with so many places to explore the urge to get a bigger bike just grew more strongly. This is dangerous or not?, because I have just ordered a KTM 1290 Super Adventure R to dampen this touring urge putting one (i think) on a different level of exploration and bike drive enjoyment. My recommendation to you is spoil yourself, for yourself. You deserve it.
I just read this to my wife and said you told me to buy my dream bike.... I'm hiding at the moment... Seriously, thanks so much for writing and please keep in touch!
@@ScratchBabble
Ha,ha hope you are OK and survive the potential recoil from your other half. All the best and may you have only safe and enriched driving ahead.
Call Brandon at the Honda dealer in Brook Haven, Ms. He has 016 leftover for 11,500.00, black, singleside rear swingarm, spoke wheels but he spokes go to the outside of the rim like a GS. Its a little heavier than a GS, but on the interstate, it will stay planted better. Has a great engine that's been around for yrs. It retails for 15,600.00 and it will haul your loved one easy. There's a April is dealer in P'cola, the Caponord is a great bike. That same dealer sells Triumphs also. Just saying
Henry Hawk YOU'RE NOT HELPING! 🤦♂️
Scratch Babble You said "Talk to me" so ...I'm was talking to you. But if you're dead set on a BMW go with R1200RT. The BMW dealer is across from HD 29S of I-10 on the left. BINGO!!😏😃and that should have been Aprilia not "April is"
Scratch Babble here is a channel to check out Living Off The Slab. He and 2 of his buddies went to Alaska last summer. He on a Super Tenere one on a Multi Strada and one on a Triumph Tiger 800. From Boston.
Henry Hawk I'm very familiar. I really like his channel.
Henry Hawk I was with you on Aprilla! I had been leaning AT but but the Super T is coming up on the outside. The GS is way out of my league
Option 4, win a $20k lottery and get your tourer and keep this klr.
Oh I'm keeping this KLR... Probably...
Scratch, I hear you... You love the KLR. But you don't have great trails in the panhandle area.....go an hour or so north and ride the woods and trails of Georgia and or Alabama!.. I used to do that when I was stationed in North Fla.. near the Georgia border...
Hey Jack where did you find info about them?
Back then I purchased USGS Maps for the area's I was interested...
But now I use AdvRider links ...... But I find the Delorme
Gazeteer map books...are an absolute treasure trove of info..
You’re Klr is your adventure..