Fox hunting group avoid court with 'secret' police deal
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2024
- It started with a court order, but ended with an out-of-court deal.
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For years, the Warwickshire Hunt had been the subject of repeated complaints about antisocial behaviour.
But when they appealed police attempts to control them and their hounds, the court case was dropped and instead a secret protocol was agreed between the hunt and the force.
Warning: This report contains images right from the start that some may find distressing.
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If the penalty for breaking a law is a fine, that law only applies to the poor.
I like some of the Scandinavian countries where fines are a percentage of annual salary. Much fairer.
@@clowncarqingdao we wish our gov was more like yours believe me
I want to see them pay the fine in the first place. Iit’s more like if your poor, law applies, if you’re a bigoted aristocrat, the law is but an obstacle. Overall, just a disgusting scenario, and highlights the lack of credibility the police have in this country today, and lack of accountability. Yes you will always have rich people and corruption. But if a senior knows they will be held accountable, they will refuse any attempts of corruption made. However, when they know they can dodge interviews, and send a powerless senior to speak for the police instead. Why would they care? The hierarchy is purposely complicated and stitched together. Police attitude, is always, “we don’t do wrong”, and policing values are completely lost. Most of which, is the value of truly serving the public. Which has been diluted in meaning. Put this all together, and you get a police force that is incompetently complicit, unable to take accountability, negative work culture of “we are always right”, lack of policing results, disappointed communities, and worst of all. A reactive instead of proactive force, just in the last 6 months, how many times have you heard “*insert force* police launch an inquiry *insert incident*.”
And they always act as if said incident is a one off incident in a “very professional” force. Anyway, as a tax payer, it’s frustrating and disappointing. Not only is the police ineffective, but also useless, public safety is at an all time low, crime is always rising. They will not respond to most cases, and the ones they do they will never investigate.
The whole structure is broken, politics is hugely at play, not to blame one party more than the other. However, every time a crime hits new all time highs, pm announces to tackle it, for example, burglary, forcing police to always respond. Or when an incident or scandal happens, we get more reactive responses, that only plaster over the structural issues with short term fixes. Somewhat similar to the NHS…
So fox hunts or not, we will continue to get stories like this, as long as the hierarchy structure is complex, policing is reactive, and police culture remains as is, with a toxic us v them attitude, towards the public, and lack of accountability or humility. Non of this will be fixed over night, or even in 5 years. Let alone when you’re trying to fix all these issues, by ramming as many people as possible into the force, to combat “crime” without realistic training, in truly working for and serving the public.
Anyway… just another reason 99% want to leave.
And the fines are pathetic anyway! About half a day's earnings for these idiots!
@@clowncarqingdao We have the same system in the UK, fines are based on salary.
Ant McPartlin a popular TV star was fined 86k for drink driving, based from his salary.
Another case of police corruption... 🙄
systemic
freemasons
Another case of proof that this country is *not* a democracy where all are equal under the law, rather a Plutocracy - country run by, and for the benefit of, the wealthy elite.
Right from the royals down, wealthy people enjoy hunting and know they are above the law. Which is why police all over the country arrest saboteurs and take them away, so that the hunts can carry on with nobody to video their lawbreaking. Right to the law where there's no minimum sentence for animal cruelty. It won't do to have some posh person hauled into court and put in prison for a year, therefore all animal abusers get no meaningful punishment bar a fine, a bit of 'community service', which they can't be forced to attend and a ban for a few years, which isn't monitored or enforced.
Trail hunting is a sham. It's a blatant sham too because who is daft enough to believe that a trail gets laid through cemeteries, across busy railway lines, through animal sanctuaries, through private gardens, school playgrounds and busy roads (loads of videos showing this), killing people's pets, spreading bovine TB as they run through infected land and then through herds of cattle, through fields of pregnant ewes, and getting hounds killed on railway lines and roads, traumatising the unfortunate people who witness it.
If they weren't protected by the police, lawyers, judges, politicians and the royals (who also protect paedophiles-google Bishop Peter Bell), then hunting will have died out.
The Tories wanted to repeal the hunting law but were persuaded it'd lose them too many votes.
Yes the police corupt from top to bottom.
This is all about wealth and class and those involved thinking they are above the law... because they effectively are.
A working class boy out hunting will be jailed for “poaching” or hare coursing.
Posh boys make back room deals with the chief of police.
Yes, so what? They dont own those rabbits.
@@olivere5497 Posh boys and girls own the foxes ?
@@olivere5497point is a working class boy can barely stick a fishing rod in the water never mind chase animals through towns on horseback and ATV then beat them to death.
Huge double standard. The posh mob don’t own the foxes either.
@@Scotland2306 i see lads fishing daily in Newport, Bristol and Liverpool in public areas and they're there repeatedly,. no one is stopping people fishing
@@user-fe1gb9uc1tthey have to buy a annual permit and are constantly managed by game wardens.
Where would one gentleman get a fox hunting permit?
"Look plebs, we're rich you're poor so we'll do what we like" Lizzie Sinden probably.
Probably..? she just said so lol
Don't drop this issue.
channel 4 are not gong to change anything, they are a part of the establishment, as much as bbc are. free choice is an illusion, nothing in the establishment entertainments media is for our benefit
Yes please don't! Keep at them they are a really poorly performing police force
thats why england doesn't have wolves, bears and other apex predator no more cuz of these scums
@@mackle1949wait till you find out the 1 or 2 a year killed by these guys is nothing compared to the 1000s killed by traffic, farmers, and game keepers every year…
Lizzie Sinden says that the public 'don't need to know' what's in the deal. She speaks with that same arrogance just like Michelle Mone did . What a country we live in where upstanding citizens get jailed because they are poor (Post Office Scandal) and the guilty rich know they will never be held to account for their actions
These "posh" people are actually semantics, most of the rich here are too and if you speak out then you are anti semantic.
thats why england doesn't have wolves, bears and other apex predator no more cuz of these scums
@@mackle1949Those "upper class" are semantics and if i write a different word it would be anti semantic
It's just evil to take pleasure in hurting another creature.
Head of the police task force , not allowed to see the paperwork from the court . AND NO ONE IS BEING ARRESTED FOR CORRUPTION ?
lol. You seem to believe the UK is a democracy 😂
@@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim police corruption is nothing to do with our political system. Police corruption exists in all countries in various ways regardless of how a country operates.
We are talking about the UK not other countries@@BrazenBull91
Courts papers showing what happened in court are available under under the freedom of information act. Has anyone checked or is it just the usual social media half truths.
Wow, amazing, corruption beyond belief. Not to mention the morality of it
The hunt has to be closed down asap. Warwickshire Police corruption!
Exactly!
Laws are for little people
Laws and taxes are for the little people.
These people who fox hunt are not as rich as you might think, just because they own a horse doesn't make them millionaires. It's a hard law to enforce and even harder to prove when they're on private land out in the countryside.
Laws have always been for the poor, the rich can buy their way out of ttouble.
@@jamesflaherty59 Often they are not even wanted on the private land getting rid of them is expensive and difficult as some farmers in my area have found out.What is going to do for them is insurance currently they insure by claiming trail hunting once that is banned they will not be able to get insurance.
thats why england doesn't have wolves, bears and other apex predator no more cuz of these scums
The Police Crime Commissioner for Warwickshire is Pro - Hunt Philip Seccombe, who has admitted on camera that he's a member of the Pro - Bloodsports Countryside Alliance, enough said..
In Cheshire, there was a police officer who was running illegal fox hunts on the side in Torporley, her name, PC Claire Ford. She was exposed on youtube and got a slap on the wrist. Kept her job, that was until she was caught selling information about the public from the police national computers to criminals. Never trust any police, they are all rotten to the core
If Labour has him sacked - will he still get a nice pension from the taxpayers? I hope Labour sacks all the dodgy commissioners.
COI much?
@@batintheattic7293 i dont think labour or conservatives are gonna get elected this time around
what's really scary is that Lizzie Sindon thinks that her club tearing up gardens, blocking roads, and torturing animals doesn't affect the public.
Public
She knows. She doesn't care.
Those foxes screaming as they die is horrific
It totally breaks me! 😢
Those hunters are evil
I felt physically sick. Name and shame.
almost threw up
just joined the HSA
Chasing down an animal with a pack of dogs. What an asinine 'sport'.
Even when they shoot ducks they get their dogs to retrieve them.
They don’t move.
No sport in that.
@@Scotland2306 Theyre so dim they'd probably shoot eat other in the back. Safer to get the dogs to go
I assume you two have never been involved or watched a duck hunt? There is nothing wrong with dogs retrieving dead animals. It's an issue when they're letting them rip apart live animals.
@@BrazenBull91 When is it ever moral to kill ducks or any animal in the first place?
And has been illegal in the uk for a number of years.
Lizzie clearly thinks she is above the law. How can anyone enjoy watching a poor animal be chased down and torn apart? Absolute sickos.
Not just the fox. They crash through fences and drainage ditches leaving the landowners to pay for repairs and round up livestock and pets. Animals miscarry and die when stressed and harried by the hunt in their field, cruel and expensive again for the farmers who lose stock. Don't believe that country people are all out there cheering this on. There's either the type who were brought up in tied cottages tugging their forelocks and believing that their masters are better or the townies who move in and need an excuse to Christin their posh wellies standing on the road thinking their earning some sort of country credentials. Most country people hate the hunt and the people who take part with total contempt for everyone and everything but themselves..they don't even care for the horses.
The mentality of people who would in this day and age still be preforming these barbaric acts is hard to imagine.
They'd hunt people if they could get away with it.
It's not like they do it for food, right? They just follow dogs until the dogs maul the fox to death, right?
Sounds like something you'd do if extremely insecure in your manhood
@richclay4209 ..........they would hunt down humans if they could........theyre on the whole interbred and mentally sick.
It will be the same sort of people who think Israel is in the right....
It's not hard to imagine. They are millionaires. Meaning they are psychopaths.
corrupt police😡😡😡
freemasonry is global
The arrogance and entitlement is outstanding.
Lizzie Sinden is a terrible liar, clearly knows she's in the wrong and enjoys being better then the peasants
Her entitlement is disgusting!
And did you notice her mug on the table?what was on it?.
she probably uses the word 'oik' a lot
Delusional
she says this secret deal is working perfectly. Yeah, no doubt it is working perfectly for the hunt. Allowing them to break the law at will without legal repercussions. Sounds perfect for them
I wonder what other 'secret deals' these toffs have with authorities?
I never believed in lizard people, but if they are real I'm pretty sure she is their leader :p Seriously disturbing
Not if you are a fox.
The huntsman who took away the dead fox was removing the evidence of an offence, which can be another offence. Any "lodge" connections in the background?
And he had a man standing close by to intimidate the lady challenging him.
That's what I thought too, he's tampering with evidence.
Yeah the corrupt faction withing the lodge is up to their old tricks again....
They think that their elitism makes them untouchable....
And they have so far been correct
Asha apparently they’re correct
Because they are
Hopefully not.
Because itdoes
The police chiefs themselves need to be arrested and prosecuted.
_The English country gentleman galloping after a fox: the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable._ (Oscar Wilde)
Inedible but I guess you can use whatever word you like if you were Wilde
@@Observationistic Uneatable is a perfectly valid word, in use since the 1600s.
@not_ever yes, it is indeed a word. However, remember that: " inedible often refers to something toxic or unsafe, while uneatable refers to food that tastes bad." So, I guess a fox doesn't taste good. Makes sense. 🤷♂️
@@saiyedakhtar3931 A fox tastes gamey and generally we don't like to eat carnivores. Inedible does not have to mean toxic or unsafe. We often call badly prepared food inedible. So uneatable and inedible are synonyms and you will find them listed as such in a thesaurus.
@@not_ever I would imagine that a fox doesn't taste good. Second, I guess they have become synonymous.
Hate them
Me too
The Police are public servants and are employed to uphold the law. Not to do private deals to allow rich people to law break
They are officers of the crown
Democracy in 2024 Britain. What a joke
Wow, the look of entitlement on that woman's face was just amazing. The little people just need to leave her alone, she's better than them. She can do what she wants.
Let's get a Yamaha R1 members club together and go up there and have revving contest around the hunt.
I'm sure we, too, can form a deal with the police to safeguard this sacred pastime
Bit inclusive aren't, what about the TL1000 group. The symphony of the exhaust note, as you thunder through the countryside is magical 😂😂😂
v twins rule.@@BlackRat-vw9jv
You are onto something there. Organised bike meets to coincide with hunts. I'll get myself a bike by boxing day. Wanted a CBR900RR Fireblade since they turned up in the world.
Do not do it in Leicestershire you will be nicked the hunt is protected by the police often with the use of a helicopter at vast public expense.
@@kethughes8266 you can't nick people riding through the country
They all want locking up with the other predators who prey on beings that are unable to defend themselves!! What I've just seen in this video is horrific and has shocked me to the core and I'm a 44 year old man who has witnessed some pretty unpleasant things during those years!
How any "person" can get pleasure from chasing a petrified wild animal to the point of exhaustion and cheer with glee as it is torn to shreds by dogs which are purposely bred for such activities (have a look at cubbing/autumn hunting) is beyond my comprehension. Nothing short of evil!
Exactly , it's totally fair to class these knts as wrong one's , no different to a PDO .
Foxes are a predator that preys on beings unable to defend themselves. Welcome to nature.
Agreed
disgusting tories and tory police
Entitled.
Do something about this garbage.
It's up to *voters* to do something. The Tories wanted to repeal the law and the masses gave them a landslide victory in the last election...................
Only the people getting off their asses can stop this.
In south Cheshire and north Staffordshire there are 3 hunts, it's no secret that many of the leading members are also freemasons. I'm a retired police officer and also a freemason. Some years ago I attended a function at the provincial grand lodge in Crewe. After the festive board I was talking to some fellow masons who also happened to be senior police officers when we were approached by the master of one of these hunts. He looked at me enquiringly and was assured I was to be trusted as I was a police officer. He was seeking firm action against the hunt saboteurs and was told " don't worry my lads will sort the bastards out ". In rural Cheshire it's almost feudal I actually saw constables knuckling their foreheads to the master and shaking hands with the senior hunt members, so much for without fear or favour.
Leicestershire police are the most blatant protectors of the hunt often using the police helicopter at vast public expense.The police there a taught to regard sabs as terrorists.
Freemasons love to boast about the "honorable" nature of the Craft. Three close family members and friends who are/were Masons ( inc WMs). All were in it ( purely) for what they could get out of it, in business or promotion in the Public Services.
Do the Freemasons generally have differing opinions on the issue, or is there an internal level of enforced compliance? Regards.
5:50 “Why do they (the public) need to know?” Because the hunt is operating exactly like an organised crime organisation; deliberately planning and enacting illegal activities, and putting members of the public and their pets at risk. The utter disdain and privileged entitlement is disgusting.
Yeah, the audacity to think that the public is not entitled to know about a "deal" with publicly funded government institution is bananas. This isn't some deal between two private citizens.
I'm reminded of some of Tony Benn's 5 questions for democracy/ people in power:
What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
How can we get rid of you?
Vis a vis the police, for the middle three, the answer is the public! That's why this "deal" should never have been hidden from them.
This should be an expected consequence. If those activities hadn't been made illegal, they wouldn't have needed to avoid the law. Now the public knows - but what will they do? The Commissioner's term ends in May 2024; it'll be for regional voters to elect one in line with their views on policing. Hopefully they will make a good choice.
Well, let's apply your logic to all of society?? Shall we say that the poor drug dealers are having to hide their activities because some mean,nasty person made their activities illegal? Or child pornographers have to hide away because they are not able to operate openly because the law has forbidden what they do??? Wtf kind of argument is that!!!
Years ago i was held up by fox hunters before it was banned, police waved me to stop i ignored them and shouted to police taxed, insured and licensed to use the road get them out of my way and drove through on my bike noisily as possible. Never heard any more about it .
Disgusting and so typical of 2024,
I love how that bent copper talked for 5 minutes and actually said nothing... if you're the national lead but aren't in control, I believe you're redundant.
Hes the national lead to coordinate all the forces in th uk. Can only encourage not enforce anything. Basically a chocolate teapot if the individual forces wont enforce the law
They're not going to stop a 500 year old hunt because a group of Black-Clad xommunist rich kids from the City turned up to interfere with the countryside
The police need to remove and charge police officers who do not work within the law. Especially though who work against their fellow officers. Anyone who is involved within this secret deal needs to be investigated. If there is any chance of not further damaging public confidence in the police.
The Police are renowned for not being willing or able to Police their own.
The Police Crime Commissioner for Warwickshire is Pro - Hunt Philip Seccombe, who has admitted on camera that he's a member of the Pro - Bloodsports Countryside Alliance, which is a massive conflict of interest when Policing Foxhunts..
Agreed! Wouldn't the police have needed to collaborate with the prosecution and the court to stop things from going to trial? It feels like there are more people involved in this...
There would be none left.
In Cheshire, there was a police officer who was running illegal fox hunts on the side in Torporley, her name, PC Claire Ford. She was exposed on youtube and got a slap on the wrist. Kept her job, that was until she was caught selling information about the public from the police national computers to criminals. Never trust any police, they are all rotten to the core
It’s incredible that senior police will bow to the hunt and distort justice in allowing criminal activities to continue. Let alone wilfully dismiss dangerous and hazardous incidents on the roads. Maybe there are some senior police officers deserve prosecution and wilfully dismiss without pension.
Not when they belong to the same Freemason lodge it isn't.
Incredible? How long have you lived in the UK?
If they’re willing to turn a blind eye to this, god only knows how many backhander rackets are ongoing in this country. Corrupt to its core.
Rules for thee and none for me.
The hunt decided to get the smartest person they had to represent them and she still came across as dim and entitled.
She might well have a title.
@@TheGreenReaperi certainly can think of a few
Their position is indefensible
She’s perfect for politics
It's not a sport, it's a vile activity for the upper class who think it's their right to do as they please.
It's a hunt... Grow a pair...
@@kingkoi6542 replace the H in hunt with a giant C and that would describe you.
More and more, we see one law for the rich and another for the poor.
Money talks, justice walks.
Warwickshire police chiefs should be charged with corruption, immediately removed from their positions and the police force.
Can't there be a private prosecution?
If we're all prepared to donate to a fund for the local huntsab groups so that they can do that? Does anyone have the names of the local huntsabs? They could set up a crowd funder and ask all the people here condemning it to put their money where their mouth is? I'd put some in...
Tori's in bed with police, that's never happened before
Yes, but what are you lot going to do about it? Blow your whistles and bang your samba drums out side big ben?
@@olivere5497what are you going to do about it?
Is that a challenge to decent people to take on these Barbarians !@@olivere5497
Tori Amos?
This is so sad…the animal abuse, the impacts on people, the entitlement, the corruption…
This is corruption. All involved must be prosecuted as the law defines.
Funny handshakes for sure. It's shameful and cruel that hunting is still allowed to continue, despite the 'ban'.
it definitely doesn't paint the police as neutral by any means
Just to be clear: there's 'hunting', and then there's 'fox hunting'.
Hunting is fine. Abusing animals for entertainment is wrong.
You're bob on, it'll be the handshake brigade in action, start to finish.
Nasomic handshakes
even after it being banned in the country you can get the police to practically work for you to facilitate it. disgusting and outrageous.
It's illegal for the police to make a private secret agreement that allows a group to break the law with impunity. If people don't want the hunters to go into their land and gardens, the police cannot grant them permission in clear violation of the law.
Rich getting away with it again!! Police get a back bone! 😡😡🤬
Police are owned and controlled by the wealthy elite. Half are related to the royals, who support hunting. The police swear allegiance to the monarch.
The police can drag and stand on a homeless person..!But not arrest some toff for tresspass,criminal damage and road offences.😂
The way that Hunt lady said "the general public" like her lot are better than us, snobbery!!.
Thank you Channel 4 for exposing this. Please keep pushing this issue into the public eye
This is why independant investigative journalism is of paramount importance. Well done Channel 4.
Who are the MPs in Warwickshire? They should be taking this up in the house of commons.
Did you not watch the video? They got nowhere when bringing it up with every political institution that could possibly get involved.
The utter disdain these people appear to have towards anyone or anything they deem to be beneath them is abhorrent and sickening.
It’s one rule for them and another for the rest, nothing really changes in this country.
Unsure if the hunt or the police are most disgusting!
How is this not 'conspiracy to pervert.....'?
Because C4 will be lying and misrepresent all the information relating to it so that you think that something normal and unremarkable is Police corruption and unfairness and rich people and bla bla bla. class warfare, snore.
They're Xommunists. They're fake. There is no point trusting anything C4 tell you. They're a political propaganda department
Corruption at its highest standards . "The public doesn't need to know about the corruption 😅😅
one of the reasons I fear reporting on the hunt. the local police are taking part on the hunt.
Report to your MP
@@chrysalis4126 If your MP is a Tory you are wasting your time
Report it to your MP and stop voting for Tories if your MP happens to be one of
@@mrennie5158 If your MP isn't a Tory you should also not vote Tory
Mine is plaid and I'm English.
Rules are for the little people not the rich.
More likely the Countryside Policing whatever department had a Xommunist raise a false report against hunts as a form of acitivism and the top Police told them to F off. So C4 is going to lie and try and make it sound like Class Warfare and rich this rich that, when it isnt.
It is countryside (rich and poor), and their fox problem versus Idiot Rich Kid Black-clad Xommunists who really have no idea why they';re doing this stuff or who is directing them and are probably going to just Stop Oil next week.
@maximisatwat so you're saying that the scum in the video didn't through foxes to the hounds? They broke the law, they need to be prosecuted at the least.
It is cruel and that's all there is to it
Humans are the cruelest animals. And if you think about it, it is good that we are cruel so animals dont hunt you. Imagine being eaten alive by a bear. You'd be wishing humans were extremely cruel then so it would have ran from you instead. Only the animals that are scared of humans survived and had babies and thats why wild animals keep to themselves. Apart from the occasional one, but thats because all have their own personality
laws are only worth as much as the polices will to enforce them. If this was working class people with dogs hunting animals, they'd be in prison so fast people would wonder if there was even a trial.
That was disgusting
Disgusting is what disgusting does
Each one of those hounds probably has more meat in its diet than a poor English child. Who says feudalism is dead in England ?
The horses that get shot having broken legs crashing through someone's hedges and fences leaving them with the repair bill.
They starve the dogs to make them crazy for the kill. If they don't get the fox then the dogs don't eat. It's similar to pigeon racing. Only the winners get fed.
What can we expect when the Tories are running this dhit show?
This is thoroughly disgusting, these hunts shouldn't be happening and it all comes down to if you have the money you get away with it.
The funny handshake brigade at work behind the scenes.
Policing by consent can't happen when the law is made in secret.
In other news, Warwickshire police agree a secret deal with heroin dealers, brothel owners......
Might not be a joke either
All police.
Haha a ban on fox hunting that would actually ban fox hunting. A novel thought……
How about you just mind your own business.
@@lee9650 how about you obey the law.
@@TBrl8 I do obey the law. Do you make a habit of going around making false accusations?
@@lee9650lee go to bed kid
@@lee9650 telling someone to "obey the law" isn't a false accusation.
The rulling class are still wielding their power to suit their agenda without consequence...
Parliamentary select committee needed to hold Warwickshire police commissioner to acount and to explain herself...she is obviously complicit
This is an utter disgrace, there is absolutely NO PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY here! This vile industry should be shut down?
they act like they are above the law, and it turns out that they are, wtf
At least now we know and can act accordingly.
No justice. Pathetic.
Do not let this be brushed under the carpet, this has to stop & the corrupt officials need to be held to account.
"who says it's not working" she says. How can any independent party confirm if you are breaking the arrangement, when nobody knows what the arrangements is. The public is encouraged to aid the police in antisocial behaviour, terrorism etc. but only when the antisocial behaviour isn't being committed by the well connected in society.
This activity is breaking criminal law, so is therefore a criminal matter, and the need for the disinfecting light on public scrutiny should be a obvious.
This was Blair’s fault for not outlawing hunting with hounds.
It's also the Toff Tories fault for being part of the hunts.
It is ilegal
It’s also the fackwits who take part’s fault
Everything is blairs fault hes the devil
@@yamahajog04 Afghan and Iraq? Well the British involvement at least. PFI? Yep. Horizon, well he could have stopped it if he’d listened to Brown’s advice. 2008 financial crisis - well, no, that was global.
Fox hunting? Nah. That’s the cants that actually do it and their enablers (the police in this case). Blair’s government tried to, and spent a massive amount of parliamentary time on it, due to tories fighting tooth and nail what should have been a straight forward piece of legislation.
Before the internet , this happened every week
Every day probably. In the UK with foxes, in the colonies with humans. Terrifying.
@@Jonathanizer well thats obviously understandable because humans did build their homes and colonies on the habitats of foxes, which is might stupid of them. Its like going into a lions den and setting up shop and *not* expecting to get attacked. if they wanna control the fox population so badly they should get licenced professionals like vets to euthanise the foxes or neuter them like they do with stray cats. it shouldnt take a whole debate to be kind to the other residents on this earth.
On seeing it, I did not consider the horrific Bolito device from the movie "The Councillor" a just punishment for anyone, until I saw the vile fox hunters in this video. Killing animals for pleasure is a sure sign of psychopathy.
Police corruption throughout. Debbie Tedds and phillip seccombe should be dismissed without a pension.
Mr Western is spot on. Furthermore, in the police abandoning due process creates a worrying precedent.
Yes. Corruption is a staple of our police force.
Sad but painfully true it seems.
@@pppp67567 I'm afraid so.
Fox hunting is basically the upper class equivalent of dog fighting, both have long traditions of animal breeding, but we left the working class blood sports in the past whilst the well connected upper class continue.
Never heard the chief superintendent question the fact of the protocol just bandied the same old avoidance tactics that politicians use!!
If you believe we live in a fair democracy, youare confused.
Wtf… foxes are just equal to dogs. Why do they hunt for pleasure? Disgusting! PETA, where are you?
PETA is garbage that hates pets and have no real power. Better to call the British version of Game wardens.
Oh do you think Peta support this? That they control the weak-arsed police who is cutting deals with Tory-voting law-breakers? Is that what you think?
PETA is too busy with their celebrity endorsements. There's no administration fees to be earned chasing toffs around the muddy field.
This is the same country thats currently culling what it describes as 'xl bullys' becauase of 20 years of failures to police existing laws and bans on pits cross dogs.
PETA is probably busy euthanizing any and all domesticated animals (all pets are against nature.)
If you want to help animals, get involved with a local shelter.
In America, places like the ASPCA actually wants to help animals instead of destroy them based off radical beliefs.
Just please trust me, PETA is not good for animals or humans. There are many other organizations to support.
My mother nearly got killed by them. They were chasing a deer through her woodland and began shooting at it. My mother and dog had to hide because the shot was landing all around them. Police informed, nothing done.
This happened in Ilfracombe, north devon.
I absolutely believe you. I used to work for a couple who were part of the deer hunt down that way. Disgusting people in every way.
Sorry but i dont believe you, no one hunts deer with hounds and rifles at the same time unless the dogs were herding it towards stationary shooters, deer flushing isnt done with loose dogs and as long as they had permission on the land its a hunting tactic used all over the world. We have an over population of deer and its obliterating ecosystems, the only predator to control their numbers is humans.
Very sad n cruel to kill a fox that way n also endangering other wild life...very cruel n wicked..i thought v r living in a civilized world
What do you think foxes eat? They eat other wildlife, or lambs or rabbits or chickens or cats or small dogs.
What do you think foxes eat? They eat other wildlife, or lambs or rabbits or chickens or cats or small dogs.
In the area where I live the local hunt is one of the most flagrant law-breakers among the fox-hunting 'community', and aided and abetted by no less than Jacob Rees-Mogg.
The terriermen do the dirty work for the nobs on the horses and beat up a local farmer who has consistently refused to allow the hunt to go on his land.
In our own countries USA ,UK and all over the world Homelessness are rising,Housing crisis rising,Child cost cost of living crisis rising..Politicians are funding for wars and enjoying themselves.
If they were working class they would be in prison
Most people on a hunt are working class.
As a hunter this is disgusting, your supposed to respect the life you have taken. This is animal cruelty and criminal.
Problem is they need to be controlled now farmers are using poison instead which is even more cruelty! What do you hunt?
@@becky2235 I don't side with farmers, given their choice they would sterilize everything around them as everything is a nuisance to their "business". I have deer, bear, turkey tags. Often I'll go without shooting anything for a season if it doesn't look right.
@@becky2235 really we should leave these to the professionals now, not some idiot with guns we're not america! ecologists may be able to provide advice on how to best avoid pigeons in a humane way and if needed the vets can euthanise or neuter the pigeons to control their populations.
Class warfare at its finest
What's going to happen is a couple of the top police in Warwickshire are going to be suspended on FULL pay end up resigning getting a massive pension for the rest of their lives and loose nothing. The rich look after themselves at our expense.
And their lucrative positions will be filled by their chums and/or a couple of box-ticking promotions to chase people who havent paid their TV licence or misgendered someone
Police & Crime Commisioner is an elected position for this reason, to enable their corrruption.
This is all about wealth and class and those involved thinking they are above the law... because they effectively are. Us peasants can't do anything.
Its just amazes me that so many people still have no understanding of empathy. How would they like to be ripped apart by dogs?
A conversation at "the highest level" .. does that mean between rich fox hunting types?