I'm 71, sill riding my 2010 FLHTK Electra-Glide Limited and a '08 KLR650 trail riding. I've never heard or felt my ABS brakes chattering or making any noise on my Harley. I actually took my Harley back to the dealership for a brake fluid recall, back 2011 or 12. I had the dealership do a brake job a few year later, I've done the brakes myself since with no issues. I Love the reliablity and how easy it is to get parts and work on older Harley's and KLR650's. I've been riding since the 1960's, got my first Harley in '75 when I got out of the Navy, I'm now on my 4th one. I love the Heel /Toe shifter, the Hard Lowers on my Harley, they really keep my feet and legs. The Batwing fairing / windshiel, with HD fork air deflectors, with Hard Lowers really provide excellent wind and rain water protection. Thank you, after watching your video, I'm now going to forget that idea about buying a new bike and just keep riding my 16 year old KLR and my 14 year old Electra-Glide for another decade or two.
I use my AT for work, travel city to city repairing industrial machinery, returning home a couple times a month. Its the only life I want, I'm completely hooked on motorcycle travel. I've been doing this 3 years now on my AT, put on 60k in that time on a 2016 with upgraded suspension. I ride dirt when I want, and blast down the highway at 90 when I need to. Can't imagine doing this on another bike at this point.
I never thought of this type of review but this is exactly the type of comparison I have been looking for. Thanks for this! However, now I want a RK and an AT!
great review. You’re not whining, you’re saying it as it is. your views and experiences are what counts. Other people just don’t like hearing anything bad about a bike they like. I can relate to the things you say. Before I got my Harley Heritage softail I had many japanese and german bikes but I needed to get something to slow me down before I lost my license. I’d never had an Harley, but after 1st visit to dealers I bought it. I’d never experienced anything like it, great handling, extremely comfortable, totally the best rear view mirrors, great lights etc, decent bags, and economical too. The Harley build quality and paintwork is 1st class. Traditional styling with excellent modern underlying technology but cheap to maintain. I’ve even ridden down many dirt and gravel roads, it just gives such confidence and is so good handling, with low Cof G. I’ve had the Harley nearly 8 years now, without a single problem. Time has come to look around for a replacement but it’s very hard to find anything. I fancy doing longer rides touring Europe etc, I don’t like cleaning, I prefer riding and need more fairing for weather protection. I’ve just tested BMW GS which everyone seems to like, it performed ok, but too high, too top heavy, and that awful confusing digital TFT display, give me analog dials any day. It’s the same story with other various japanese bikes I’ve recently tested, they’re all going with crappy digital displays, and none of them seem to hit the mark like my Harley, although the new Goldwing was quite impressive, probably the best of the bunch, but lots of plastic and I’m not sure if it was impressive enough to get me to change from my Harley. Also, your right about the jiffy stand, non of them come close to the Harley stand. None of them lock in place, they’re way too vertical and easily pushed off the stand, they need to be left in gear for safety. Years ago I was one of the people who called Harleys, now I just get it why people love em. They’re not trying to outperform the japs bikes, they’re just very good at what they are. I’m not into all the Harley lifestyle bullshit, but each to their own. I’m just trying to find a replacement for my Harley but it’s very difficult. BTW, I agree with you about what supposed to be legendary Honda build quality and reliability. It’s ridiculous that the seals needed replacing, they should not fit cheap crappy parts.
@WonnovMenny It might be a coincidence. I have not heard anybody complain about their Africa Twin. I own a 2002 Honda Shadow Ace. 18 years old now. NEVER had a problem, not even replaced a light bulb. The only thing I did was to clean the carburetor twice because where I live, sometimes one cannot ride for many months in a row and the gasoline spoiled in it. That is it. Nothing has ever happened to that bike. I think it says something to the reliability of Hondas.
Excellent honest review! Don’t mind the haters, keyboard courage is always out there… Loved the contrasting experience from your Road King and the AF. Personally, I’m a Japanese bike rider for life, but I enjoy hearing a perspective from the other side!
Thanks for sharing Gerald, and trying something new, especially dirt. I'm a dirt rider and bought my first road bike last year, a 2020 ATASes DCT. Definitely a transition to the DCT, but like you have adapted and absolutely love the bike and transmission. The electronic suspension is incredible and would shell out the money again for it. I've got ,9000 km on mine, and impatiently waiting for spring. Hope you're still enjoying yours and ready for another season, from fellow Canuck in BC :-)
Lovely review . Nice to hear someone talking about there own bike , ratherthan a 5 min ride on a test bike .. saving up for one over the winter here in the UK.
The Africa Twin and all adventure bikes are better than sports bikes, and better then Harley/Cruiser types, and better then dirt bikes. They can hit fast twisties, highways for long stretches, off-road fire trails, etc. I went from a sportsbikes to harleys to sports touring before I realized if you can only have one bike, it makes no sense not to have an “adventure bike” I chose the Africa Twin too btw.
I have a 30 inch inseam so installed a lowering link and dropped the triple trees. helps quite a bit. and contrary to other opinions, doesn't negatively affect the handling in fact improves stability.
Gerald, thanks for taking the time for this one. I've always wanted a Harley (since I started riding in the early sixties) and a Road King in particular, and could have one, but I know it wouldn't get used enough to justify the purchase. I have two Africa Twins, and a CRF450L dual sport, and I'm down from six machines lately (including some Husqvarnas and a Gold Wing). I'm more into adventure riding, the travel variety, and use both small and big bikes depending on the route. Usually it will be close to 3000 miles and up each trip. If you wouldn't take offense, I would like to suggest that you consider modifying your luggage setup if you want to do even mile adventure rides. That is, on gravel and dirt of any kind. I never, ever, use hard panniers on my adventure bikes (don't want a broken leg), and never a top/tail box. Soft panniers are so much safer (I use Mosko Moto), easy on and off, and the top box is just too much weight out back from a structural standpoint and also a balance standpoint. A duffel on the passenger seat is much better, when it is needed. If you already know all this, I apologize, and just making a friendly suggestion.
Kenneth Webb Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate your input. I'm thinking that, as configured, the AT is not exactly what I need. I need something smaller and lighter that I can refresh and build my skills. I am jealous of your stable of bikes.
I can identify. Been riding Goldwings for 20 years. I just retired to East Tennessee, I had been living in Lynn Ma . Great roads down here but they can go unpaved with little warning and 900 plus lbs. bike on gravel can get hairy. I picked up an 2020 Africa Twin Dct. Great bike, lots of fun ,31" with low seat option in low position, works fine,( with boots), for my 30' inseam. The AT ruined the Goldwing for me, it turned into a boring (but comfortable) barge! The AT is a blast off road. I'm planning on riding the Trans America Trail this May.
Thanks for your comment, I have a Wing now, and I am thinking the same thing. The AT will do everything, and after sitting on one the other day, with the seat in the low position and I think it will work even better with the low seat option you mentioned. Plus, this is about half the weight of the Wing!
Good video! I also have been riding Harleys since 93 and a Road King since 2011. i bought one of these bikes for the same reason you did,and I'm loving it. I bought an Africa Twin a 2021 it was new but a year old. The bike is very capable.
Great review. And while hearing about your transition from a Harley to an adventure bike is interesting, comparing the two is like comparing the proverbial apples to oranges.
Thanks for the video, Gerald. I have a 2017 manual and it is coincidently my first bike ever. I absolutely love it. if you ever come through Sparwood B.C. let's ride.
Great review, as a not so tall rider I always wonder about riding heavy tall bike. My DRZ400SM seat height is 35” but it only weighs 320 lbs and the seat is very narrow. Thanks for the video!
Nice video. I got a 2016 AT about six weeks ago for the same reasons--adventure travel off the beaten path. I'm gaining off-road skills in the Great Bear Rainforest, which is my backyard, and I expect to travel throughout BC next summer. Mine came with 50/50 tires, but I'm switching to 20/80 tires for my winter riding. Fortunately, we can ride almost year-round on the coast, but not up the mountain forest roads. This is the biggest bike I've ever ridden, so I'm still cautiously getting used to the power and weight. My SW Motech crash bars have absorbed most of the damage from a couple of drops off-road, one of which happened when it rolled off the side stand when I parked to check on the trail ahead. See you on the road!
After 25 years on Harley touring bikes (Road Glides, Electra Glides, CVO etc) I got on a 2012 BMW R1200GS Adventure. It was a "Tanker". The 2013 and earlier GS' with the 9 gallon tanks. I loved that Bike. Best highway bike I've ever ridden and I've got over 190,000 on the HDs. I enjoyed the heck out of that BMW. Great Bike! I'm back on a 2020 RK but considering bouncing back once again to the adventure bikes. Very versatile.
Lots of valued points I have upgraded side stand first thing From Camel ADV I have one Key that opens all my lagguage from Bumot and it also uses same key on my soft boxes
I have the 2018 Adventure Sports model DCT that i really love. The DCT is awesome. You have different settings to suit your moods. I recently installed Barkbusters. They are really sturdy. Greetings from Portugal.
I am so happy with the same machine and the Barkbusters I have installed from the previous owner. These are already really sturdy. You might check the latest comments as I did mine as well. Like to share good ideas about the bikes ;) Enjoy yours and Cheers!
@@user-lh1tk5hd3d Yes I have read. I bought the Scottoiler V System. Haven't installed yet. But will help me maintain the chain lubricated. Next on my list is the Heed crash bars to protect the sensible parts of the engine and DCT. I will buy them as soon as possible. Regarding this review some comments are a bit rough. I think he spoke what he thinks. This is his own channel. I didn't had before a Harley and watched the video because I have the Adventure Sports Model DCT 2018. All the best for you. Stay healthy and safe.
Nice review!! So will you consider the new Pan Am instead of the AT? I myself are planning to sell my Harley street Bob and go for the AT or Pan Am special. Can’t decide lol 😝
Just purchased a new to me AT 2017, been riding a RK for the past 7 years. looking forward to more adventure riding. Let me know if you upgrade the seat and what you go with?
After owning the Africa Twin for two years, I sold it. It is absolutely a brilliant bike; however, I’m small and old and I found it too much off road. I bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan the quality is not on par with the Africa Twin and it doesn’t do highways as well but it is much more fun on the gravel and dirt.
Great choice in transitioning in bikes. Road specific Road King to an all road bike. I would seriously consider adding a set of Denali D4 or D7 LED high lumen auxiliary driving lights, a Denali Sound Bomb horn and rear brake light modulator. You can light that bad boy up like a highway sign. I think ADV bikes will be a growing trend because for their multi purpose use and comfortable long haul capability as Global travelers and unique good looks. Getting the bike up in the center stand technique is super easy. No matter your height. Look it up and you will have it down in no time. Women with less strength can do it so you certainly can. Well done here. Great choice. Ride safe and ride often.
Old Harley and Dirt bike rider here, I now have a 2019 Africa Twin, Street riding is about the same but when you go off road, its an all new ball game. New skills have to be learned and it takes a lot of practice
Enjoyed your real world bike review, I like the AT but the road king of the adventure bike has got to be the BMW GS / Adventure in my opinion and it’s available in a lowered version too! Have you tried one? I’d be surprised if you haven’t!
I really wanted one of these but I knew when I sat on one it wasn't for me. I been on motorcycles a long time, started out on a two stroke yamaha 100 dirt bike when I was 12. I rode a honda 250 dual sport for years but had a honda 650 dual sport for almost a year before the 250. I'm kinda short legged also and my ridding skill just wasn't good enough to handle the 650 thats why I traded for the 250, problem solved. I have a 1998 Heritage classic and the only way you can compare something like the road king or a heritage to a africa twin is that they both have two wheels. I still wanted a street bike I could commute on and didn't like leaving my heritage out in the rain at work. In 2014 I bought a new honda nc700x put a jack stand under it and a mad-stad windscreen on it and a rear rack. It is a perfect bike for going back and forth to work on or touring, the frunk is so nice for storing my helmet or jacket and a ridged tool box mounted on the back is great for my lunch box or anything else that will fit in it or on top of it, and the box only cost $34. I like going on fishing trips and arrow head hunting but all my hunting and fishing spots are off the beaten trail, and in rural Mississippi your not taking a street bike or a adv off our roads if you do you will be sorry. I needed something like the 250 I had when I was young that would handle the gumbo mud that starts at the end of the road. I started searching youtube and was seeing and liking the reviews about the Suzuki dr 650 dual sport so I bought a 2020. I lowered the seat height put on some better tires and lowered the front gear, now I have the almost perfect on and off motorcycle. I can ride 70 miles from my home on the highway, take the muddy trail to the river to fish or hunt or I can pack it down and go 300 miles to the gulf coast to see my folks but I'll save that for the heritage or the nc700x or in my truck with the 650dr in the back . Its just about impossible to get a one bike that does it all. Most adv bikes are to tall for some of us short people and will gum up and stop when you hit the gumbo mud even with knobby tires, the dual sports just can't give you the comfort of a touring bike so just get a bigger stable and get some of each.
Fellow FLHR rider here, and I'm looking at the new Africa Twin and the new BMW GS. Thanks for this comparison. I'd never consider another new (or newish) bike that didn't have cruise. Doing 1250 miles (not KM) a day here in the states is something I do a few times a year, and no cruise would make that quite a bit more painful.
I found this by searching for "africa twin touring". Didn't know what to expect... It was really interesting to hear your thoughts about changing between the two bikes and two different ways of riding. I must say that I'm impressed with you going outside your comfort zone and trying something different! Respect! If you stick to the AT it might grow on you even more. And I do think there are lowering kits in the after market sales! From what I've heard, Honda worked on the front? suspension and improved it in the upgraded 2020 version. On a side note and as a bit of constructive criticism - You might want to reduce the number of "Aahhh" when talking. It kind of distracted me...
Gerald Prost To some bikes you can also buy kits lowering the suspension and together with the extra low seat in low position, it gets really low... All the best and ride on!
Gerald Prost btw if you lower the bike with the lowering kit for suspension, remember that this affects/reduces the tilt for the sidestand, making the bike stand even more uptight!
@@danielpalmberg3371 You’re right. I bought a new side stand designed for an AT with a lowering kit, although mine doesn’t have a lowering kit, the sag from lowering makes it perfect.
How tall are you? I’m 6’2” and these Africas seem too tall for me. I’ve sat on them and didn’t like the feel. I’m 32” inseam. But I have leg problems and have problems swinging them over the panniers or the seat even. I have a 95 BMWR1100 GS I ride off-road and was considering a newer bike. I don’t want to have to buy one to see what’s in it. (That’s how Democrats pass bills here.) So thanks for the review. I also like that instrument panel is not digital. It’s 1100 cc too, so if you wanna trade for something simpler...😹😹 I also have a Harley - a 2016 Street Bob. I had a 98 Road King years ago, and I like this Street Bob much better. I don’t do touring on it. Just street riding. The Road King was my least favorite touring bike. It didn’t handle very well in cross winds, fully loaded. I feel comfortable on it on gravel roads too. My favorite touring Harley was the 2001 FXDXT. My favorite touring bike of all was a 2018 BMW K1600 GS. Beats all Harleys hands down. So we’re both Harley and Adventure bike riders. I’m in Arkansas. If we were closer we could ride together. Thanks for the review.
Hi Gerald, wow a 2020 review. Funny thing I have watched it a couple of times. I ride harleys as well and throwing a 900# bike around in garage is a chore at my age. I wanted to go like you, to places the harley would not. bought a 12 klr 650, kept for one year. Had the bright idea to sell it and trade the harley for a bmw 850 gsa. Well, the klr sold in one day! next day I traded for the bmw. After riding it home it made my hips hurt, couldnt even stand up and down like the klr. Next day, took it back and got harley back. I still only want to have 1 bike in garage, but, but, but. I just do not think anything "adventure worthy" will fill the bill for that "just one bike"! Wife was even happy I got my harley back. Her first impression of the bmw, geeze thats ugly, LOL. Now I am regretting selling the klr. Anyway, thanks for the vid buddy...
Thanks for your note. Just an update, I sold the Africa Twin. It was just too big for me for the kind of ridding I wanted to do. I bought a Himalayan and I’m very happy. czcams.com/video/22xiz8Ngl-g/video.html
Thanks. My low seat is from Honda. I’m sorry if I misled you but the AT does not have cruise control. It does have throttle by wire which is common for bikes but no CC. I don’t mind. I had CC on my Road King and I rarely used it.
@@gcprost I think this year or 2020 models all have the cruise control I had read. I should have said that. Oh they come with cruise now all models and an adjustable seat height. 33.5" low. Tube type off road-ish tires maybe different also now.
You could lower the front fork a little thru the clamps 10 millimeter +? To get your feet closer to the ground, it helps, i did that to my cagiva gran canyon, feel of steering stays fine . I miss the cruise control But placed a throttle lock to help on long trips .a upper crashbar can be fitted with lamps for more visabilety . Sidecases put some reflective de decals on it...it is what it is . A fine motorcycle for many years ,accept that it is a big adventure bike And not your harley. Find that smile, like it was your first motorcycle ever , go ride that thing....go. Greets wilco At manuel bleu 2019
After watching your video, I am convinced you should go back to a road king or Heritage. Adventure bikes are hard on us old guys. I was going to get one but changed my mind. Trade it in and get a Harley-Davidson again. I have a road glide special and love it after 23K miles.
I sometimes think you’re right. I sold the Africa Twin and bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan. It is slow but it is much more manageable on the dirt and gravel.
The crashbars may be useless to you but for those who drop the bike on the dirt, with rocks lying around, they might be the difference between a simple fall and a cracked engine case, clutch cover, water pump, what have you. Thanks for the clip.
I get asked this question WAY too much. Height of another person doesn’t really mean all that much. I’ve seen many riders you’d consider short ride very tall adventure bikes with a great deal of skill. Every rider’s body is different a rider that’s 5’10” can have a dramatically different inseam or torso length than a rider of the same height. The best way is to go to a dealership and sit on the bike, but if you can’t then you can get close by measuring your own inseam and compare it to the seat height of a bike.
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Power, riding comfort, style. I just don't get the same thrill on AT. If your adventure involves off-roading, then AT is better. Go to my channel and see the videos. czcams.com/channels/xap1CHEaPt97n7R-ZPYjxQ.html
are you kidding us..the brakes on a Harley are better than Honda AT? A Harley is crap compared to any Honda. You are just not used to riding a bike like this. I am 1.73 m (for US: 5'8") and am 62 years old..get a Gold Wing 1800 ....
Honda’s are great but the calipers on the front of a Road King are Brembo’s, it doesn’t get any better than that. The ABS system on this bike is certainly superior to my Road King but that is very old technology. I’m sure that new Harleys are better than they were but I don’t know if they are better than Honda. If I was interested in getting a new Road King, I’d definitely look at a Goldwing but I’m riding roads now that aren’t suitable for either of these bikes.
@@gcprost Really? Why do you say that? I’m thinking about buying a Himalayan for myself. Right now I have a huge Yamaha Roadsatar 1700 and it’s fun but I want off road capability, plus in a couple of years I want to do the whole Trans American Trail. I know the Himalayan only has about 27 hp but I’ve found in my riding I like to putt around more than anything, so 27hp should be enough. Plus, I love the look of the Royal Enfield bikes, I even like the continental GT 650.
Wow. After watching the video I can see why. Honestly you should sell the Honda while it’s still relatively new. I’m just like you, I want to get out and start seeing the world but more off road than in. You mentioned Ghost towns as one of your destinations, you should check out Brents Channel called “Ghost Town Living”. This guy bought an old mining camp in Cerro Gordo California and he’s in the process of maintaining and rehabbing this place. Brent is an awesome story teller and likes to explore the mines for lost treasures and we get to come along for the ride. His channel has blown up in just months time. Back to the bike. If you decide to sell the Africa to recoup losses you should definitely test ride all the bikes you can many times over to see what you like before you buy. I’ve known too many people who buy a bike because they fall in love with it from watching videos or seeing pictures and then once they have it, hate it, and end up selling it. I test drove at least 20 or more bikes before I bought my Yamaha Road Star, and it’s still an excellent bike but, like you said, I’m ready for a little more adventure, so I’m selling my bike soon. Lol, my wife won’t let me have two! So far from what I’ve researched and all the bikes I tested, the Himalayan is like the Goldilocks bike, seriously. It’s not as fast, but fast enough. The height of the sitting position is perfect, I’m 5’10” and I flat foot it very comfortably. Only tech the bike has is the ability to shut off abs, so less problems down the road. Analog gauges that are easy to read, suspension is excellent with plenty of ground clearance for messing around off road. The engine is basic and very easy to work on.
oh come on. That is like comparing ...i had a cadilac and just changed to a Wrangler Jeep, then complain 'bout the hard suspension. There's no way you can compare these, it s a totaly different toy
Something about this guy gave away that he is a Road King rider. Hmm!?!? And does everyone on YT doing a bike review indoors need to wear a ADV jacket? Jesus H!!
Dude get a trike or go to drving school..you are wining the hole time sell the bike and get a car. AT is beyond you and not made for you ..quit sobbing over the Road Queen girls bike..
I'm 71, sill riding my 2010 FLHTK Electra-Glide Limited and a '08 KLR650 trail riding. I've never heard or felt my ABS brakes chattering or making any noise on my Harley. I actually took my Harley back to the dealership for a brake fluid recall, back 2011 or 12. I had the dealership do a brake job a few year later, I've done the brakes myself since with no issues. I Love the reliablity and how easy it is to get parts and work on older Harley's and KLR650's. I've been riding since the 1960's, got my first Harley in '75 when I got out of the Navy, I'm now on my 4th one. I love the Heel /Toe shifter, the Hard Lowers on my Harley, they really keep my feet and legs. The Batwing fairing / windshiel, with HD fork air deflectors, with Hard Lowers really provide excellent wind and rain water protection. Thank you, after watching your video, I'm now going to forget that idea about buying a new bike and just keep riding my 16 year old KLR and my 14 year old Electra-Glide for another decade or two.
I use my AT for work, travel city to city repairing industrial machinery, returning home a couple times a month. Its the only life I want, I'm completely hooked on motorcycle travel.
I've been doing this 3 years now on my AT, put on 60k in that time on a 2016 with upgraded suspension. I ride dirt when I want, and blast down the highway at 90 when I need to. Can't imagine doing this on another bike at this point.
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I never thought of this type of review but this is exactly the type of comparison I have been looking for. Thanks for this!
However, now I want a RK and an AT!
Me too!
great review. You’re not whining, you’re saying it as it is. your views and experiences are what counts. Other people just don’t like hearing anything bad about a bike they like. I can relate to the things you say. Before I got my Harley Heritage softail I had many japanese and german bikes but I needed to get something to slow me down before I lost my license.
I’d never had an Harley, but after 1st visit to dealers I bought it. I’d never experienced anything like it, great handling, extremely comfortable, totally the best rear view mirrors, great lights etc, decent bags, and economical too. The Harley build quality and paintwork is 1st class. Traditional styling with excellent modern underlying technology but cheap to maintain. I’ve even ridden down many dirt and gravel roads, it just gives such confidence and is so good handling, with low Cof G.
I’ve had the Harley nearly 8 years now, without a single problem. Time has come to look around for a replacement but it’s very hard to find anything. I fancy doing longer rides touring Europe etc, I don’t like cleaning, I prefer riding and need more fairing for weather protection.
I’ve just tested BMW GS which everyone seems to like, it performed ok, but too high, too top heavy, and that awful confusing digital TFT display, give me analog dials any day. It’s the same story with other various japanese bikes I’ve recently tested, they’re all going with crappy digital displays, and none of them seem to hit the mark like my Harley, although the new Goldwing was quite impressive, probably the best of the bunch, but lots of plastic and I’m not sure if it was impressive enough to get me to change from my Harley. Also, your right about the jiffy stand, non of them come close to the Harley stand. None of them lock in place, they’re way too vertical and easily pushed off the stand, they need to be left in gear for safety.
Years ago I was one of the people who called Harleys, now I just get it why people love em. They’re not trying to outperform the japs bikes, they’re just very good at what they are. I’m not into all the Harley lifestyle bullshit, but each to their own. I’m just trying to find a replacement for my Harley but it’s very difficult.
BTW, I agree with you about what supposed to be legendary Honda build quality and reliability. It’s ridiculous that the seals needed replacing, they should not fit cheap crappy parts.
@WonnovMenny
It might be a coincidence. I have not heard anybody complain about their Africa Twin. I own a 2002 Honda Shadow Ace. 18 years old now. NEVER had a problem, not even replaced a light bulb. The only thing I did was to clean the carburetor twice because where I live, sometimes one cannot ride for many months in a row and the gasoline spoiled in it. That is it. Nothing has ever happened to that bike. I think it says something to the reliability of Hondas.
I too prefer analogue gages and less plastic.
Thanks for this. This was really helpful in considering the AT.
Excellent honest review! Don’t mind the haters, keyboard courage is always out there… Loved the contrasting experience from your Road King and the AF. Personally, I’m a Japanese bike rider for life, but I enjoy hearing a perspective from the other side!
Thanks for sharing Gerald, and trying something new, especially dirt. I'm a dirt rider and bought my first road bike last year, a 2020 ATASes DCT. Definitely a transition to the DCT, but like you have adapted and absolutely love the bike and transmission. The electronic suspension is incredible and would shell out the money again for it. I've got ,9000 km on mine, and impatiently waiting for spring. Hope you're still enjoying yours and ready for another season, from fellow Canuck in BC :-)
Lovely review . Nice to hear someone talking about there own bike , ratherthan a 5 min ride on a test bike .. saving up for one over the winter here in the UK.
The Africa Twin and all adventure bikes are better than sports bikes, and better then Harley/Cruiser types, and better then dirt bikes. They can hit fast twisties, highways for long stretches, off-road fire trails, etc. I went from a sportsbikes to harleys to sports touring before I realized if you can only have one bike, it makes no sense not to have an “adventure bike” I chose the Africa Twin too btw.
Best all rounder for any use at any time, very modular, I'm gonna use it for world travel
I have a 30 inch inseam so installed a lowering link and dropped the triple trees. helps quite a bit. and contrary to other opinions, doesn't negatively affect the handling in fact improves stability.
Gerald, thanks for taking the time for this one. I've always wanted a Harley (since I started riding in the early sixties) and a Road King in particular, and could have one, but I know it wouldn't get used enough to justify the purchase. I have two Africa Twins, and a CRF450L dual sport, and I'm down from six machines lately (including some Husqvarnas and a Gold Wing). I'm more into adventure riding, the travel variety, and use both small and big bikes depending on the route. Usually it will be close to 3000 miles and up each trip. If you wouldn't take offense, I would like to suggest that you consider modifying your luggage setup if you want to do even mile adventure rides. That is, on gravel and dirt of any kind. I never, ever, use hard panniers on my adventure bikes (don't want a broken leg), and never a top/tail box. Soft panniers are so much safer (I use Mosko Moto), easy on and off, and the top box is just too much weight out back from a structural standpoint and also a balance standpoint. A duffel on the passenger seat is much better, when it is needed. If you already know all this, I apologize, and just making a friendly suggestion.
Kenneth Webb Thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate your input. I'm thinking that, as configured, the AT is not exactly what I need. I need something smaller and lighter that I can refresh and build my skills. I am jealous of your stable of bikes.
And if you have to make a fast exit in a crash, the top case keeps you from doing that.
I can identify. Been riding Goldwings for 20 years. I just retired to East Tennessee, I had been living in Lynn Ma . Great roads down here but they can go unpaved with little warning and 900 plus lbs. bike on gravel can get hairy. I picked up an 2020 Africa Twin Dct. Great bike, lots of fun ,31" with low seat option in low position, works fine,( with boots), for my 30' inseam. The AT ruined the Goldwing for me, it turned into a boring (but comfortable) barge! The AT is a blast off road. I'm planning on riding the Trans America Trail this May.
The Trans America Trail sounds fantastic. Have a great ride.
Thanks for your comment, I have a Wing now, and I am thinking the same thing. The AT will do everything, and after sitting on one the other day, with the seat in the low position and I think it will work even better with the low seat option you mentioned. Plus, this is about half the weight of the Wing!
Good video! I also have been riding Harleys since 93 and a Road King since 2011. i bought one of these bikes for the same reason you did,and I'm loving it. I bought an Africa Twin a 2021 it was new but a year old. The bike is very capable.
Great review. And while hearing about your transition from a Harley to an adventure bike is interesting, comparing the two is like comparing the proverbial apples to oranges.
waow .. this is a amazing adventure motorcycle 😎
great review from the standpoint of a former Harley owner - good to hear unique experiences . . .
Awesome review, thank you!
Great review, you will get to love this bike. Ride safe!
Thanks for the video, Gerald. I have a 2017 manual and it is coincidently my first bike ever. I absolutely love it. if you ever come through Sparwood B.C. let's ride.
Great review, as a not so tall rider I always wonder about riding heavy tall bike. My DRZ400SM seat height is 35” but it only weighs 320 lbs and the seat is very narrow. Thanks for the video!
Nice video. I got a 2016 AT about six weeks ago for the same reasons--adventure travel off the beaten path. I'm gaining off-road skills in the Great Bear Rainforest, which is my backyard, and I expect to travel throughout BC next summer. Mine came with 50/50 tires, but I'm switching to 20/80 tires for my winter riding. Fortunately, we can ride almost year-round on the coast, but not up the mountain forest roads. This is the biggest bike I've ever ridden, so I'm still cautiously getting used to the power and weight. My SW Motech crash bars have absorbed most of the damage from a couple of drops off-road, one of which happened when it rolled off the side stand when I parked to check on the trail ahead. See you on the road!
Peter J. Francis Do you live in Bella Coola? I'm jealous. Changing out the tires will make the gravel roads more enjoyable.
After 25 years on Harley touring bikes (Road Glides, Electra Glides, CVO etc) I got on a 2012 BMW R1200GS Adventure. It was a "Tanker". The 2013 and earlier GS' with the 9 gallon tanks. I loved that Bike. Best highway bike I've ever ridden and I've got over 190,000 on the HDs. I enjoyed the heck out of that BMW. Great Bike! I'm back on a 2020 RK but considering bouncing back once again to the adventure bikes. Very versatile.
Tip for the center stand, roll the back tire on a block or a shim, it will help dramatically!
Lots of valued points I have upgraded side stand first thing From Camel ADV I have one Key that opens all my lagguage from Bumot and it also uses same key on my soft boxes
Appreciated your honest review, stay with the AT you’ll learn to love its versatility!
Thanks.
I have the 2018 Adventure Sports model DCT that i really love. The DCT is awesome. You have different settings to suit your moods. I recently installed Barkbusters. They are really sturdy. Greetings from Portugal.
I am so happy with the same machine and the Barkbusters I have installed from the previous owner. These are already really sturdy.
You might check the latest comments as I did mine as well. Like to share good ideas about the bikes ;)
Enjoy yours and Cheers!
@@user-lh1tk5hd3d Yes I have read. I bought the Scottoiler V System. Haven't installed yet. But will help me maintain the chain lubricated. Next on my list is the Heed crash bars to protect the sensible parts of the engine and DCT. I will buy them as soon as possible.
Regarding this review some comments are a bit rough. I think he spoke what he thinks. This is his own channel. I didn't had before a Harley and watched the video because I have the Adventure Sports Model DCT 2018.
All the best for you. Stay healthy and safe.
I'm blessed to have both. I have a 2014 Road King and a 2018 Africa Twin DCT. Both are fantastic bikes.
I’m jealous.
Nice review!! So will you consider the new Pan Am instead of the AT? I myself are planning to sell my Harley street Bob and go for the AT or Pan Am special. Can’t decide lol 😝
Perfect video ❤. Have you got the same bike or you sell it for another
Just purchased a new to me AT 2017, been riding a RK for the past 7 years. looking forward to more adventure riding. Let me know if you upgrade the seat and what you go with?
Thanks for the honest review and your opinions, im thinking of getting an adventure bike and this is on my shortlist of 4 at the moment.
After owning the Africa Twin for two years, I sold it. It is absolutely a brilliant bike; however, I’m small and old and I found it too much off road. I bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan the quality is not on par with the Africa Twin and it doesn’t do highways as well but it is much more fun on the gravel and dirt.
@@gcprost thanks for opinion and advice, it's appreciated 👍
Nice review!
Great review. I’ll keep my Road King though 😂
Good review. Thanks for sharing Gerald.
Thank you, Gerald
Great choice in transitioning in bikes. Road specific Road King to an all road bike. I would seriously consider adding a set of Denali D4 or D7 LED high lumen auxiliary driving lights, a Denali Sound Bomb horn and rear brake light modulator. You can light that bad boy up like a highway sign. I think ADV bikes will be a growing trend because for their multi purpose use and comfortable long haul capability as Global travelers and unique good looks. Getting the bike up in the center stand technique is super easy. No matter your height. Look it up and you will have it down in no time. Women with less strength can do it so you certainly can. Well done here. Great choice. Ride safe and ride often.
I agree with improving the lighting. Thanks for the advice.
Old Harley and Dirt bike rider here, I now have a 2019 Africa Twin, Street riding is about the same but when you go off road, its an all new ball game. New skills have to be learned and it takes a lot of practice
Enjoyed your real world bike review, I like the AT but the road king of the adventure bike has got to be the BMW GS / Adventure in my opinion and it’s available in a lowered version too! Have you tried one? I’d be surprised if you haven’t!
Actually I haven’t tried one. Here you have to buy a kit and have it installed.
I really wanted one of these but I knew when I sat on one it wasn't for me. I been on motorcycles a long time, started out on a two stroke yamaha 100 dirt bike when I was 12. I rode a honda 250 dual sport for years but had a honda 650 dual sport for almost a year before the 250. I'm kinda short legged also and my ridding skill just wasn't good enough to handle the 650 thats why I traded for the 250, problem solved. I have a 1998 Heritage classic and the only way you can compare something like the road king or a heritage to a africa twin is that they both have two wheels. I still wanted a street bike I could commute on and didn't like leaving my heritage out in the rain at work. In 2014 I bought a new honda nc700x put a jack stand under it and a mad-stad windscreen on it and a rear rack. It is a perfect bike for going back and forth to work on or touring, the frunk is so nice for storing my helmet or jacket and a ridged tool box mounted on the back is great for my lunch box or anything else that will fit in it or on top of it, and the box only cost $34. I like going on fishing trips and arrow head hunting but all my hunting and fishing spots are off the beaten trail, and in rural Mississippi your not taking a street bike or a adv off our roads if you do you will be sorry. I needed something like the 250 I had when I was young that would handle the gumbo mud that starts at the end of the road. I started searching youtube and was seeing and liking the reviews about the Suzuki dr 650 dual sport so I bought a 2020. I lowered the seat height put on some better tires and lowered the front gear, now I have the almost perfect on and off motorcycle. I can ride 70 miles from my home on the highway, take the muddy trail to the river to fish or hunt or I can pack it down and go 300 miles to the gulf coast to see my folks but I'll save that for the heritage or the nc700x or in my truck with the 650dr in the back . Its just about impossible to get a one bike that does it all. Most adv bikes are to tall for some of us short people and will gum up and stop when you hit the gumbo mud even with knobby tires, the dual sports just can't give you the comfort of a touring bike so just get a bigger stable and get some of each.
Fellow FLHR rider here, and I'm looking at the new Africa Twin and the new BMW GS. Thanks for this comparison. I'd never consider another new (or newish) bike that didn't have cruise. Doing 1250 miles (not KM) a day here in the states is something I do a few times a year, and no cruise would make that quite a bit more painful.
Add the Yamaha Super Tenere to your list of bikes to look at. It’s a great bike that can be suited to your needs.
Amazing review, what cases are those? They're gorgeous
Kappa Venture.
I found this by searching for "africa twin touring". Didn't know what to expect...
It was really interesting to hear your thoughts about changing between the two bikes and two different ways of riding. I must say that I'm impressed with you going outside your comfort zone and trying something different!
Respect!
If you stick to the AT it might grow on you even more. And I do think there are lowering kits in the after market sales!
From what I've heard, Honda worked on the front? suspension and improved it in the upgraded 2020 version.
On a side note and as a bit of constructive criticism - You might want to reduce the number of "Aahhh" when talking. It kind of distracted me...
Thanks for you thoughts, ahhh, I did get the lower seat. I’m getting more comfortable with the AT all the time.
Gerald Prost To some bikes you can also buy kits lowering the suspension and together with the extra low seat in low position, it gets really low... All the best and ride on!
Gerald Prost btw if you lower the bike with the lowering kit for suspension, remember that this affects/reduces the tilt for the sidestand, making the bike stand even more uptight!
@@danielpalmberg3371 You’re right. I bought a new side stand designed for an AT with a lowering kit, although mine doesn’t have a lowering kit, the sag from lowering makes it perfect.
@@danielpalmberg3371 Thanks. I bought the lower seat and I’m getting more comfortable on the AT all the time.
I think you should go back with the HD...
How tall are you? I’m 6’2” and these Africas seem too tall for me. I’ve sat on them and didn’t like the feel. I’m 32” inseam. But I have leg problems and have problems swinging them over the panniers or the seat even. I have a 95 BMWR1100 GS I ride off-road and was considering a newer bike. I don’t want to have to buy one to see what’s in it. (That’s how Democrats pass bills here.) So thanks for the review. I also like that instrument panel is not digital. It’s 1100 cc too, so if you wanna trade for something simpler...😹😹 I also have a Harley - a 2016 Street Bob. I had a 98 Road King years ago, and I like this Street Bob much better. I don’t do touring on it. Just street riding. The Road King was my least favorite touring bike. It didn’t handle very well in cross winds, fully loaded. I feel comfortable on it on gravel roads too. My favorite touring Harley was the 2001 FXDXT. My favorite touring bike of all was a 2018 BMW K1600 GS. Beats all Harleys hands down. So we’re both Harley and Adventure bike riders. I’m in Arkansas. If we were closer we could ride together. Thanks for the review.
I prefer analog gauges too, especially the speedo. I’ve never been to Arkansas, someday when this Covid thing is over.
Hi Gerald, wow a 2020 review. Funny thing I have watched it a couple of times. I ride harleys as well and throwing a 900# bike around in garage is a chore at my age. I wanted to go like you, to places the harley would not. bought a 12 klr 650, kept for one year. Had the bright idea to sell it and trade the harley for a bmw 850 gsa. Well, the klr sold in one day! next day I traded for the bmw. After riding it home it made my hips hurt, couldnt even stand up and down like the klr. Next day, took it back and got harley back. I still only want to have 1 bike in garage, but, but, but. I just do not think anything "adventure worthy" will fill the bill for that "just one bike"! Wife was even happy I got my harley back. Her first impression of the bmw, geeze thats ugly, LOL. Now I am regretting selling the klr. Anyway, thanks for the vid buddy...
Thanks for your note. Just an update, I sold the Africa Twin. It was just too big for me for the kind of ridding I wanted to do. I bought a Himalayan and I’m very happy. czcams.com/video/22xiz8Ngl-g/video.html
was that a low seat from Honda? Enjoyed your input 👍
Thanks. My low seat is from Honda. I’m sorry if I misled you but the AT does not have cruise control. It does have throttle by wire which is common for bikes but no CC. I don’t mind. I had CC on my Road King and I rarely used it.
@@gcprost I think this year or 2020 models all have the cruise control I had read. I should have said that. Oh they come with cruise now all models and an adjustable seat height. 33.5" low. Tube type off road-ish tires maybe different also now.
On my '19 ATAS I find that my upper body gets wet while my lower stay dry in the rain. I'm 5'10''.
You could lower the front fork a little thru the clamps 10 millimeter +?
To get your feet closer to the ground, it helps, i did that to my cagiva gran canyon, feel of steering stays fine .
I miss the cruise control
But placed a throttle lock to help on long trips .a upper crashbar can be fitted with lamps for more visabilety .
Sidecases put some reflective de decals on it...it is what it is .
A fine motorcycle for many years ,accept that it is a big adventure bike
And not your harley.
Find that smile, like it was your first motorcycle ever ,
go ride that thing....go.
Greets wilco
At manuel bleu 2019
Thanks for your insights.
@Gerald Prost - how tall are you if you don't mind me asking?
5’4”
After watching your video, I am convinced you should go back to a road king or Heritage. Adventure bikes are hard on us old guys. I was going to get one but changed my mind. Trade it in and get a Harley-Davidson again. I have a road glide special and love it after 23K miles.
I sometimes think you’re right. I sold the Africa Twin and bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan. It is slow but it is much more manageable on the dirt and gravel.
The crashbars may be useless to you but for those who drop the bike on the dirt, with rocks lying around, they might be the difference between a simple fall and a cracked engine case, clutch cover, water pump, what have you. Thanks for the clip.
whats are your inseams? your Height and the seat height? I am short too thats y asking.
30” Thanks for watching.
That’s why you buy two motorcycles one can’t do it all
What company is the seat?
It is a Honda OEM.
What brand crash bar do you have?
That’s a Givi.
@@gcprost Only low because you have bags?
Why do people forget to mention their height, when talking about the seat position
I'm sorry. I'm 5'4".
I get asked this question WAY too much. Height of another person doesn’t really mean all that much. I’ve seen many riders you’d consider short ride very tall adventure bikes with a great deal of skill. Every rider’s body is different a rider that’s 5’10” can have a dramatically different inseam or torso length than a rider of the same height. The best way is to go to a dealership and sit on the bike, but if you can’t then you can get close by measuring your own inseam and compare it to the seat height of a bike.
Nice review. I rode AT but didn't like it. My favorite is Honda VFR1200X DCT.
Why did you like the VFR1200X DCT more?
@@RichardsModellingAdventures Power, riding comfort, style. I just don't get the same thrill on AT. If your adventure involves off-roading, then AT is better. Go to my channel and see the videos. czcams.com/channels/xap1CHEaPt97n7R-ZPYjxQ.html
What's the name of the jacket? :)
@@onlyfalubaz Octane
A V Strom 1000 would’ve suited you better and it’s much easier to ride, more reliable I can still do the green lanes and trails
sre those the largest tires you can fit
Sounds like you should sell it and go back to your HD.
I get what you’re saying. This week I did about 300 km on gravel. It was challenging but I am more committed the AT than ever.
I think a person would be tired because of seat position.Chance of back injury on long route.
are you kidding us..the brakes on a Harley are better than Honda AT? A Harley is crap compared to any Honda. You are just not used to riding a bike like this. I am 1.73 m (for US: 5'8") and am 62 years old..get a Gold Wing 1800 ....
Honda’s are great but the calipers on the front of a Road King are Brembo’s, it doesn’t get any better than that. The ABS system on this bike is certainly superior to my Road King but that is very old technology. I’m sure that new Harleys are better than they were but I don’t know if they are better than Honda. If I was interested in getting a new Road King, I’d definitely look at a Goldwing but I’m riding roads now that aren’t suitable for either of these bikes.
I thought you were getting a Himalayan?
I should have bought the Himalayan.
@@gcprost Really? Why do you say that? I’m thinking about buying a Himalayan for myself. Right now I have a huge Yamaha Roadsatar 1700 and it’s fun but I want off road capability, plus in a couple of years I want to do the whole Trans American Trail. I know the Himalayan only has about 27 hp but I’ve found in my riding I like to putt around more than anything, so 27hp should be enough. Plus, I love the look of the Royal Enfield bikes, I even like the continental GT 650.
I’ll watch the video and see what you have to say. I didn’t even watch it because I’m not interested in the Africa Twin.
Wow. After watching the video I can see why. Honestly you should sell the Honda while it’s still relatively new. I’m just like you, I want to get out and start seeing the world but more off road than in. You mentioned Ghost towns as one of your destinations, you should check out Brents Channel called “Ghost Town Living”. This guy bought an old mining camp in Cerro Gordo California and he’s in the process of maintaining and rehabbing this place. Brent is an awesome story teller and likes to explore the mines for lost treasures and we get to come along for the ride. His channel has blown up in just months time.
Back to the bike. If you decide to sell the Africa to recoup losses you should definitely test ride all the bikes you can many times over to see what you like before you buy. I’ve known too many people who buy a bike because they fall in love with it from watching videos or seeing pictures and then once they have it, hate it, and end up selling it. I test drove at least 20 or more bikes before I bought my Yamaha Road Star, and it’s still an excellent bike but, like you said, I’m ready for a little more adventure, so I’m selling my bike soon. Lol, my wife won’t let me have two!
So far from what I’ve researched and all the bikes I tested, the Himalayan is like the Goldilocks bike, seriously. It’s not as fast, but fast enough. The height of the sitting position is perfect, I’m 5’10” and I flat foot it very comfortably. Only tech the bike has is the ability to shut off abs, so less problems down the road. Analog gauges that are easy to read, suspension is excellent with plenty of ground clearance for messing around off road. The engine is basic and very easy to work on.
Look on CZcams wilco.cwx and find some info
Sounds like you liked the Road King better lol.
The Africa Twin is tall and difficult to manage off road. I ride a Himalayan now.
the crash bars are fine. just don't drop it. The art of riding is staying upright...
Sage advice.
It’s not a road king why do you have to compare it to one duh
oh come on.
That is like comparing ...i had a cadilac and just changed to a Wrangler Jeep, then complain 'bout the hard suspension.
There's no way you can compare these, it s a totaly different toy
I agree.
Something about this guy gave away that he is a Road King rider. Hmm!?!?
And does everyone on YT doing a bike review indoors need to wear a ADV jacket? Jesus H!!
Compare a HD road king to the at ?..waste of time thay are apples and oranges
Both good but a waste of video wtf
I agree it is apples and oranges, but this was my journey. Many people are making the switch to adventure bikes from a variety of variety of bikes.
@@gcprost Well, this is the situation I am in right now so this is much appreciated.
Please stop comparing adventure bike to a f-ing Harley
Brakes on the AT are horrible. Worst in class.
Really? I’ll take your word for it. I thought the were terrific, except I though the ABS on the rear was intrusive off road.
And to stop watching, couldn’t stand the amount of “errrs and erm” to was spouting.
Sorry about that.
Dude get a trike or go to drving school..you are wining the hole time sell the bike and get a car. AT is beyond you and not made for you ..quit sobbing over the Road Queen girls bike..
Kind words.