The Last Judgement: The Culmination of Christian Symbolism
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- This is a talk I gave for Ralston College on the Icon of the Last Judgement, exploring Orthodox Christian imagery to understand ontology, theology, and how identity, symbolism, and fractals work in the medieval worldview.
Ralston College website: www.ralston.ac/
Ralston College: Rethinking the Last Judgment: Cosmic Symbolism & the Metaphor for Self-Discovery | @JonathanPageau: • Rethinking the Last Ju...
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
00:28 - Intro music
00:55 - Introduction
05:01 - Start of talk
06:08 - The Last Judgement
10:19 - Church architecture
13:28 - Example: Crucifixion
16:10 - Another example: Adam and Eve in Hades
17:14 - What is the Last Judgement? Sheep & Goats
23:34 - Heavenly man
24:43 - Body/church
26:47 - The ascension: face and body
28:27 - Peter and Paul
33:56 - Ideal man judges all
36:40 - The prepared throne
38:59 - Heaven above, hell below
42:38 - Gathering into the Cross
46:47 - Self-giving
49:57 - Hell and disintegration
54:30 - Q&A starts: How do we find our way from division to unity?
57:28 - Plato
59:00 - Unity and uniformity
01:00:08 - Questions about the icons
01:03:36 - Man as judge
01:04:15 - The aspects of the Left
01:04:55 - All the Saints
01:07:58 - Can the symbolic and Thomistic views be integrated?
01:09:03 - How we can translate masculinity and femininity symbolism
01:14:12 - How do you read and interpret images
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This was amazing... MUST watch and needs to be watched more than once to grasp all the knowledge being displayed. Thank you @JonathanPageau
Your talks are brilliant. I appreciate your efforts.
I can't believe you can look at the world through images like that, it's amazing.
Those were the most well-spoken Q&A questions I've ever heard. Good advertisement for Ralston College!
This is utter heresy. It's neo-gnostic Communist code speak. Go to an Eastern Orthodox Church and ask a priest. He would cry anathema!
I agree, with the exception of the woman asking about saint Peter and sait Paul. She clearly hasn't read the apocrypha book "Where's Waldo?".
Yeah, I don't know when I've seen a group of college students so attentive and well dressed.
Hey Jonathan, that was so much fun and exciting!
St Michaels Abbey in Silverado, California, has an amazing mosaic of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary and the Last Judgment with Christ coming in Glory, and the resurrection of the dead. It is quite remarkable. The Norbertines asked the artist to place one Norbertine in Hell, as a cautionary reminder that the fight is not over until we breath our last.
This talk is so beautiful. I’ve been chewing on something today, that’s bothered me, and that’s what seems to be a body of Christ that’s broken. (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox). Jonathan’s points about scattering and gathering together being contained within Christ got me thinking, perhaps even if not intentional, it’s just a pattern of reality. Listening to Jonathan talk about identity, made me think. Christ’s words “This is my body broken for you” in Corinthians, very clearly are referencing his physical body. If, as Jonathan says, this is microcosmic, let’s apply this to Jonathan’s points about identity here. How is identity formed? To a certain degree, through consumption. In the process of consumption the identity of the consumer is “broken” down into pieces, and integrated into the body of that which is consuming. If you think of it in terms of a loaf of bread, trying to consume the whole loaf would be too much, and would ultimately lead to a failure to integrate the bread into our being. The bread is broken into pieces in order to allow us to successfully and fully consume it, and integrate it into our being. Scattering or breaking down the identity of the bread, is first necessary before it can be integrated into the new body/identity. (Of course the body itself works as a judge here insofar as only the parts of the bread that are useful will be retained and integrated, whereas the rest will be expelled.) well, taking this up a step into the macrocosm a little, we get to Christ’s mystical body. Which, to me anyway, seems to be broken. However, if we look at the Bible, why should the mystical body be any different than the physical body. Why should the mystical body not go through the process of breaking down, if the physical body had to? To me, perhaps the division is just a pattern of reality that needs to play itself out. It’s necessary in order for Christ to be fully consumed by man. Just like the bread, the parts that are true will be integrated. Where I’m stumbling, I guess, is the symbolism of joining together again. I guess this imagery would kind of present a situation where the body is consuming itself. The mystical body consuming its broken pieces. However I’m not so sure this is inconsistent with the snake eating its tail imagery. So Christ’s physical body is broken so it can be consumed and integrated. Through this process of integration, we become like Christ, theosis? And then the mystical body is broken so it can be consumed by the world, so the world can integrate Christ and be transformed (on earth as it is in heaven?) maybe? Through the process of consumption/integration the scattered are gathered back together. A new identity is formed within a new body?
It may have been the realization of the interest that these students had for this talk that brought joy to my heart to the point of bringing tears to my eyes. Or it's the dust. Yeah, it's the pollen. My gender is male. Hahah, thank you Jonathan, God bless you all.
You want Judgement? Clean your refrigerator. There is stuff that stays and stuff that has to go.
You underestimate my ability to eat expired Feta cheese
@@andrewskylakos3585 Right? I'll probably survive.
"clean your fridge, bucko." Will be Peterson's next moto.
@@andrewskylakos3585 the expiration date on cheese is merely a serving suggestion.
Is that fractal?
This was amazing... MUST watch and needs to be watched more than once to grasp all the knowledge being displayed. Thank you @JonathanPageau
Heresy. Gnosticism.
Thanks so much for putting out these videos Jonathan. Truly appreciate it and stay blessed!
Thank you ✨ Georgian Orthodox Iconography is very beautiful and unique and worth studying ✨
Excellent talk. I always learn so much from Jonathan.
I appreciate you spelling it “judgement”.
Thanks
Golgotha the hill on which the crucifixion occurred is the skull of Adam, the memento mori of our limitation.
Golgotha is derived from the Vulgate Latin Calvariae, Calvariae locus and locum (all meaning "place of the Skull" or "a Skull").
I know this is not the place to contact you but I wasn't sure how else to do it. You are a master of symbolism in imagery. I would love for you to analyse the visual imagery and lyrics of the stong "Woman" by Doja Cat. What might just be a commercial song and video on the surface is jam packed with meaning, symbolism, ancient archetypes and representations of the devine feminine in all it's formed. I would absolutely LOVE to see your analysis of it going into the history of all the symbols and references and comparisons. And yes I know it's very "street" and you are more high brow, but I think doing an analysis would be very educating to the masses and bring a new audience to your channel.
*song!
Awesome! So enjoy these talks!
Such an important visionary. This actually helped me understanding some mesoamerican stuff like the mayan sunstone today. The duality in it and even overlaps into revelation. Very cool. Thank you.
Explains why at some point Christianity was fully accepted in those regions
This is Superb!
The Jordan Peterson of Orthodoxy.
Better than Peterson, for that reason.
You are at your best when speaking through icons. If they are "windows into heaven" as some people say, you often fling the curtains open for me. Please pray for me, I am wrestling with the Church right now as a catechumen and I feel these left and right hands warring within me, so to speak. The images are quite moving when you can see also your reflection in the window.
If you are able to remember me in your prayers, Jonathan, my name is Matthew. Incidentally I was writing very similar things to your brother Matthieu when I discovered you through Peterson. Jung is somewhat marginally lurking in the background of your talk here, you rescued me from the lure of depth psychology lol.
One of the best Last Judgement images (Icon) is In Voronet Monastery in Romania!
My man jonathan has finally hit the celebrity phase, albeit reluctantly, but my dude is relishing it. The production quality, and the banger info, you can clearly see the influence from the internet influencing style of jordan Peterson. But he is mostly yapping and even in 2023 he hasn't even a fraction of content or ingenuity that millenia old fellas like st. Augustine or St. Aquinas or Origen had. Nope, not gonna ressurect the dying corpse of theology, beaten and attacked for centuries now. But he and likes of jordan Peterson and their allegorical reinterpretation and pragmatic appeal to faith would create a very fascinating man, who believes in a god because he feels that it would save him from existential angst and nihilim etc. from modernity. Lol, this is not how faith works. Jesus walked on water and turned it into wine too, in defiance of scientific theories, evolution and laws and stuff. Don't sugercoat its irrationalism and absurdities, own it, that is how true Christians owned it.
What is the song at the beginning of
This Kendrick Lamar vs Drake rap battle seems pretty significant in pop culture. Wondering if Pageau has thoughts...
@Davidshield9 It seems to have patterns like Jesus vs Antichrist.
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Europe and Asia needs to hear this! It would be nice to see you there! :)
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I've known people with beautiful, manicured lawns that were very, very dark people. So much for clean your room, bucko! That being said, great lecture, indeed.
14k views and 600 likes ?
Yay
Johnathan is exactly right in that the Last Day or the Day of the Lord or what we call the 8th day and Day of Judgment is going on all the time.
When Christ said He would lift us up on the Last Day, Christ was speaking of the Divine Christian Revelation. This revelation is the salvation Christ came to bring man to. This is all misunderstood by the Church and especially the western Churches.
We are meant to be lifted up “in Christ” in “His Name”. This experience was much more common in the early church. Those that received the Christian Revelation were glad to die for a testimony to the truth of Christ.
I’m surprised that Johnathan actually gets it. I thought he was more of a fundamentalist. He may just be a mystic and that is a relief.
But he IS fundamentalist in the most fundamental sense of this very word. By approaching the ideas and symbols in their utmost base level of reality and (re)building up from there. 🙂
On Peter and Paul images: in Catholic images Peter has keys and Paul has the sword.
Jordan doesn't seem well. Hand him graver.
this is the most confusing thing I have ever watched.
this was not even close to long enough.
I know why she laughed haha
The fancy photography is so distracting. Can't we just see the image Johnathan is talking about? I've seen the audience, I've seen Jonathan's profile, why so I need to see the same general views over and over?
First.
boo! I'm slow LOL.
Matthew 19:30 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
All the nations of the World will worship Is*ael.
Thank you or your works.
I heard Mr. Jonathan Pageau mentioned about "Nothing good or bad by itself" Can anyone help me find the bible scripture that related to the claim. Thank very much in advance for your help.
Another question, I would like to buy some T-Shirt but I am in Thailand. How do I do? Thank you.