Why Star Fox Command's Story is TRASH! | Unscripted Chatter
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I lay down why the weakest Star Fox game has the most butchered and unsatisfying narrative by far. - Hry
They really did Krystal dirty here.
Agreed!
That is true
I remember reading somewhere idk if it was the director who created this game or the creator himself did not like Krystal that much.
@@foxalive1772 From what I learned, Krystal was hated amongst the Japanese fans. But even so, if you have a hated character, you do your best to improve on them, not make them worse.
@@jacindaellison3363 true but even so there are those who want the character erased entirely which i hope that's not the case in the reboot timeline.
Commander had one good thing. The idea that Falco was babysitting his friends' kids in the "Goodbye Fox" end. Just the thought of it makes me smile
No, nothing about it was good. Don’t try to deny that the game was irredeemably stupid trash.
@@jacobrogers1006The "Goodbye, Fox" ending and another one where Star Fox is restored with Amanda are the only good endings
@@Whitesnake273 No, none of the endings are good! They’re not worth the stupidity.
@@jacobrogers1006 I only think two are good so :/
That's pretty amusing how you wrote that. With that said, Falco would probably be less like a babysitter or a calm mentor and more like a Dutch uncle. Whenever they do something well, he showers them with praise. Whenever they screw up, he berates them hard not to be a jerk but to toughen them up and make sure they do better next time.
This isn't just poor characterization, THIS IS CHARACTER ASSASINATION
If there is a franchise that depresses more because of it’s current state than sonic, has to be star fox.
Didn't know that was possible, but hey, guess you must believe what you see.
King Fabru what bout Starlink?
"Current state"
IDW and the sonic movie say no.
@@ahmadkazan7994 I agree
*Cries in F zero*
Hot take
Starfox easily has some of the greastest story/gameplay oppurtunities of almost any nintendo IP and no one at nintendo does anything with it unless they are remaking 64 for the 100th time
You mean remaking the original for the 101st time.
The saddest part is that Nintendo can't seem to look past the fact that Starfox was mostly used as a tech Demo IP. Whenever something new like a brand new computer chip, or a gimmick of a console (like the WiiU) comes up, they bring up Starfox to test those out. Nintendo is so stuck in this line of thinking with Starfox that they're unable to see the true potential of the series.
Game development isn't just a case of "let's make a game". There has to be direction and purpose. But what is frustrating is that when the series seems to do poorly or hit a snag, we basically just get another remake of Star Fox.
SF2 was cancelled and we got 64. Command was highly disliked, so we got 64DS and Star Fox Zero. But then Zero did poorly.
And when you have Krystal voice actress, Estelle Ellis (from star fox adventurers) said "And Command Isn't cannon" they know they fucked up
Pretty sure Dylan Cuthbert said something similar too lol
The developers said it is canon
@@arzfan29 I don't care, this game is horrible and should never exist, Katt Monroe is pink , she's not black, just for that it's unacceptable
Star Fox Command is an official fanfiction
I've read Star Fox smut fics with better characterisation.
I have to agree
@@Freashplayer This is not the place to expand dongs.
This game is an insult even in Fanfiction.
@@UnrealNeoBat yeah
From Star Fox Wiki: "According to designer Dylan Cuthbert, none of the endings are canon because the game is set in an alternate timeline". Thank God...
Oh thank you merciful God. I'm taking what I can get.
No Command is in the same universe as 64 and Adventures and Assault. No official source has said otherwise (and no the wikis don't count).
@@galten7361 A wiki is just a collection of information cited from multiple sources. If the wiki properly cites its information, then it counts.
@@MastaGambitThe point moot. There no game after assult or command to clarify this.
Without something to clearly show command as none Canon, the actual events after assault could be similar to command. We just don't know
That's blatently false, a lie spread by ign because they didn'tunderstand what "during assault" meant, the developers straight up said "the game is canon, when we make a new game in this timeline we'll pick an ending as the canon one"
Starfox Assault doesn't get the love it deserves.
Assault is my favorite Star Fox game.
Especially the game's multiplayer mode
I love Starfox Assault. I wish we had more games like it
I loved when I first play it and I loved it so much it's a shame and a bummer that it didn't receive so much love :(
Absolutely, the most underrated game in the Starfox franchise.
Nintendo: hmm you know what we need *FURRIES WITH DEPRESSION!!!*
This is the one adventure which me and my wife DON’T tell our son about.
YOU.......YOU KICKED KRYSTAL OUT OF THE TEAM....CUZ YOU DONT WANT HER TO GET HURT.....AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR OTHER TEAM MATES HUH....I GUESS THEY DON'T MATTER THEN HUH..YOU GIT!!!!
Good on you Fox! I mean “There ya go!”
How's it going on Sauria Fox? Hopefully you and Krystal take a trip to Papetoon for Fara
Don't worry about the Star Fox's story. There are like a million other ways we can retell Star Fox 64 before someone has to come up with something original.
I think you mean "retell Star Fox 1". 64 is basically a remake of the first Star Fox game.
I sometimes feel like Command only really existed to fit a gap, because for some reason nobody wanted to do a Star Fox... and that ended up killing the franchise.
I blame disappointing sales, which Nintendo interpreted as fewer people desiring a new entry. Now it exists almost purely to test out new gameplay opportunities (Command and Zero) while most of Nintendo's actual effort goes to games they actually expect to sell.
It didn't killed the franchise. Zero is the responsable for doing that.
THANK YOU! SF Command is THE WOOOOOORST. Sorta killed the franchise in a lot of ways.
Star Fox Zero: Yo!
Nah
I'm glad that none of the endings to Star Fox Command are actually canon, according to the director of the game, because some of those endings look awful.
Nintendo needs to find a new way to make Star Fox great again. Starlink isn't enough.
I loved Assault and felt like they should've stuck to that play style from now on but this also shows why they hardly ever do anything with the Star Fox IP anymore because they don't know what to do with it
Yeah, I like to pretend this game isn’t canon, I just pretend that Starfox Assault is the current end of the Andross is defeated timeline. Starfox Command messes up the entire timeline because of its massive amount of endings, I mean how are you gonna keep the timeline going after all of those endings!? Which game would they even continue it off of?! Yeah, I hope they just retcon it and pretend that it doesn’t exist.
They basically did but they retconned the entire Krystal era of Starfox with Starfox Zero being another reboot
Me too. The first timeline ended with assault as far as I’m concerned
@@littenfire3563 sad. I like Krystal!
@@littenfire3563 actually Zero is a "reimagining" of 64, not a reboot. So any new games would still be in the 64 era, unless they retract that statement. Also, it's Canon that Command is not canon.
@Diego Gamer why?
I’m eternally grateful to my brother for warning me not to play this game. I love Star Fox and these characters, and playing this game would have severely hurt my view of them.
The game is so bad, that Krystal's Adventures Voice Actress literally said it wasn't canon
Whoa.
The one positive from this game was the different character ships having different playstyles. I at least enjoyed the challenge unlocking everything.
You nailed it about Krystal and Fox.
That was really cool, which made it extra infuriating that only one ship type was available in multiplayer! One of Nintendo's first online forays ever, with so much potential, and they shoot themselves in the foot on it.
No Star Fox game has EVER needed different character ships.
Pretty much all of these games good ideas were taken from Star Fox 2.
Please play Star Fox 2.
It seems that whenever they write the descendant of a villain to be a good guy, they're always tempted to follow in the previous villains' footsteps and end up following through, even when they've already resolved to do good. It's not doing the message that "you don't have to be like your parents" any favors, in my opinion
No it is not.
@@charactersin-depth3472 Yeah, it's like, I understand that they want to create conflict by having the character deal with the pressure brought on by their parents' infuence. But when that character has already decided that they're going to do good and not repeat their parents' past actions, at that point, turning to them to the dark isn't developing their character, it's actively going against it.
If they were to bring him back, they can improve on this better.
Like while he resolves to avoid being like Andross, maybe he starts seeing temptations and stuff that shows him Andross's point of view. Ultimately in the end he begins to waver and must either choose to reaffirm his resolve to avoid being Andross(maybe even becoming a "GOOD" version of him, as in using his tech and knowledge but show restraint and using all of this for the good of the system) or becoming him.
Command botched this concept up big time pretty much.
I see the title saying this game's story is trash, I agree and give a like.
Same
Andrew I can kind of see surviving, he just crashed. “And characters in Assault still talk to you after you watch their ship literally explode with them inside. Happens in the Star Wolf missions. I can give Andrew a pass. Pigma, he’s dead. I can see no reason why he’s alive.”
Andrew"I'm not dead" me"we can still hear his voice on the wind"
Star Fox Commands Soap Opera Furry fan fiction killed the franchise
The story of star fox assault HIT me growing up. I admit it was my first star fox game but I made me backtrack and play Star Fox 64. Then I put in this cartridge in my DS and have regretted it ever since
why does the game feel like a soap opera and everyone acts out of character.
I'm one ending fox becomes so depressed that kristal left him that he leaves being a mercenary hero to playing in knockoff f zero games.
It's like I'm reading a fan fiction.
There's another ending where falco gets left out and starts star falco which is a pretty douche move.
Fox even allies with star wolf!
This game like I said is like a fan fiction.
A really bad and cringy soap operas fan fiction.
@Oxnard Darcy well,sonic 06 was an intent,yet was criticized,being intended doesn't make it good.
@Oxnard Darcy I say it because it is a similar case with Elise,yet no one considers it intended and hates on it without thinking.
Not all fanfiction is bad lol but yeah Starfox Command really over did it
Your here also? God dame
Cannon or not, I will continue to believe that Assault was the proper end to the series. Mainly cause it hurts to think the story devolved so much afterwards.
Same here.
Not really. The Command actual plot is about the same in tone and writing. Assault and for that matter Adventures just made ones like you have a wrong impression what the series was supposed to be (namely some furry Mass Effect crossed with some space fantasy or whatever).
@@galten7361How is shitty writing a good impression?
What doesn't make sense is that they could of made the story about where Krystal is from as it said in the manual from Star Fox Adventures I'm reading it on the internet and it says for her character development
"The only survivor of her doomed home planet of Cerinia, Krystal roams the galaxy in search for answers. When a distress call draws her to a small planet in the Lylat system, Krystal suspects that she may finally be drawing closer to the truth"
I just don't understand why they couldn't of start off with her home planet instead of after assault we get trash
Honestly this, and it would have been a good story and game to have about too. You know, one last thing for her to do, before she seals the deal with Fox, on being with him forever, possibly.
Agreed!!!!! That right there is actually a cool idea and expands Krystal's backstory 💯 why they never went that way for some reason I'll never know 🙄😓
It's implied Andross did it. Because in the prolouge of Adventures before Krystal gets trapped in that prism, she encounters the Andross' spirit and says "It's you!".
None of that lore is canon. It wasn't actually made by Nintendo's Star Fox devs and is just an artifact of Dinosaur Planet. All of the JP lore for Krystal doesn't mention her being the last survivor of her kind but instead is just a mysterious psychic lady fox.
That Fox would become insecure over Krystals safety and that Krystal would borderline despise Fox for it understands nothing of the continuity of the previous game. The devs brought a bunch of kids to write the endings to save time and money.
No since Imamura and Cuthbert both were key devs on it.
I LOVE Star Fox Assault. I wished we got a good sequel...
Ikr this game derailed Starfox HARD
star fox assault is a good chapter but star fox command even if not canon sucked for the plot and especially on how they depicted krystal. why would a kind, selfless, caring girl go over to the side of evil? why didn't she use her telepade powers on fox to support him and she hooked up with the womanizing fucking panther?
Too bad Star Fox didn’t get redeemed like Ratchet and Clank did with the Ratchet and Clank Future trilogy!!
The reason they went so hard on Krystal is because in Japan she wasn't well received, and so they just gave her 1 happy ending
I heard that some time ago. Was it because she wasn't originally created in Japan?
FoxsDumbSeriesMaker I think it was because she replaced Peppy
@@alcerdemon9768 That sounds pretty dumb, and definitely not a good enough reason for them to hold it against her. Peppy's replacement seems like it was bound to happen eventually, if the story was to ever to continue for the series. And Krystal hasn't done anything to take away from the rest of the team or series, but rather add to it.
Byron Lyons Well, yeah I suppose, I’d usually say it’s because she has no personality, but none of them have, besides a few traits and lines, but you know Japan I suppose
@@alcerdemon9768 That sometimes they have a better sight on things, other times, such as this, they end up being questionable with their taste.
I agree, retcon command and continue from assault.
Everyone done in command is trash.
Especially Krystal, who is one of my favorite characters in the series.
*And Fox wakes up from an expired nacho cheese induced fever dream in a cold sweat*
"What the shit was that?!"
VocalCalibration
😂
@@vocalcalibration8033 I thought that ending leads to the wiiu game.
@@lpfan4491 Oh... shit.
The saddest thing about the aftermath of this game is that it ruined Krystal as a Starfox character. She was awesome in Starfox Adventures and Assault. But because of this game, she won't be anything related to a playable character in Super Smash Bros unless Sakurai decides to stop making her an assist trophy. And based on the direction Nintendo has gone with Starfox in regard to Zero and Starlink, we're probably not going to see her ever again unless they come up with a good story for a game that includes her. And no, a Starfox Command 2 is not what we need.
@ComixAndCartoonPro From what I heard; Japan HATES Krystal. So of course Nintendo's going to listen to them first and foremost. It's also ironic because Krystal wasn't intended to be in starfox in the first place ala the dinosaur planet development story. and with starfox zero and starlink recycling the AWFUL art style (bell shaped head, smol body, everyone having head gears and scouters, thanks God they didn't confirm the stupid robot leg theory) I'd rather not see her butchered again with an ugly pink jumpsuit. Not saying she's sexy, but i'm sure Nintendo knows full well she's a sexual icon.
The merc team of space fighters are in an endless loop with wolf and andross. So I'm pretty sure Star fox is retired for another decade if not entirely until they find a solution or other way to reinvent the wheel and fix what wasn't broken. Assault so far is the best story in the entire saga bar none because it had high stakes and took chances, AND it didn't rely on andross.
Starlink had almost everything i wanted in a sequel; customizing ships, freely exploring a galaxy, going to and from planets, switching characters, racing and bounty hunting, its all there. My next guess would be try to go down a mass effect route. Have fox and co. talk with each other in dialogue tree's. the better you build a relationship with your team the less they'll ask for help, the better power ups you get, etc.
@@EclipseHedgehog well metroid its not that popular in japan either. And i got a new sequel, after two decades, and it was made by spanish, still got a new sequel.
Either truly reboot Star Fox or make a new sequel to Assault!
What, Zero doesn't count as a reboot?
@@Pikmanipulator
From what I heard, I don't think so, I could be wrong.
@@WolfoTheNintendoSixtysaur I've played it, and it's basically the Star Fox 64 story all over again, with some nuanced changes.
@@WolfoTheNintendoSixtysaur Zero really is the reboot, after the fact 64 is the reboot for the original on SNES. It's all about them fighting Andross for the first time.
Yeah, I cant remember. Did general pepper die or was he just injured?
assult is underrated asf, unfortunate that command and zero were flops.
Zero likely would have done better if it didn't have the game pad gimmick
There’s a good reason why Nintendo refuses to acknowledge any Star Fox game that isn’t 64, and this is it.
Well, there is the ending where Fox and Krystal had a son and said son becomes the new leader of the new Star Fox. Maybe they can continue from that.
Now dont @ me but that ending in my opinion basically ruins the whole idk gag of star fox because Fox is supposed to be daddy's boi and the main character not Marcus. Again don't get mad at me and the reason why im very nervous about people getting mad at me in the comments is because the last time I made a opinion here people didn't respect my opinion and attacked me and that's why I'm very nervous.
@@Ireland.sflover What do you mean gag? Just curious.
@@MrVideo-dj7dl idk
@@MrVideo-dj7dl like James is supposed to be a character for a reason. And Fox is supposed to be the main character because he's the one with the most backstory imo.
Funny you mention retconning command, because they did. It's confirmed noncanon.
Exactly. Thank you.
Krystal really deserves better. 😂
Dude, you and I have the same mind set when it comes to Star Fox. I hate how Command completely derailed the series. It was damn near impossible to continue the story with all of those terrible endings. The game treated on of my favourite characters Krystal like crap, and because of Command, we'll probably never get a proper sequel to Assault. Nintendo now wants to keep retelling the 64 story, and because Krystal wasn't created in Japan, it might be unlikely we'll see her again. :/
There was a point during the games before Command I was a hardcore Star Fox fan. I used to make videos, draw pictures, and play games like Adventures and Assault over and over again. All of these years of not getting a real new game has just burnt me out. Star Fox is just another game series to me now, but I'll always have a fondness for the old games and "previous continuity ".
If we actually get a true sequel to Assault, I will lose my freakin' mind. I will actually become a big Star Fox fan again if that happens. At least sell a remake or remastered Assault to get people back into that timeline again before making a new game. This is what fans want, Nintendo. Not another rehash of 64.
I’m not saying I can write a better Starfox story than Command, but with such a low bar I’m confident I can cook up something passable.
So it’s some after Assault when things are all nice and dandy for now. But unbeknownst to anybody, a general in the Cornerian army, general Shears, has been devising plans to strengthen Corneria’s army with a reborn army, out of ego or paranoia. He begins taking things too far and Pepper tries to stop him but Shears gets the jump on him and imprisons him along with anybody else that Shears thought would get in his way. Including Bill. Having gotten word of what’s happened, Fay, one of Bill’s squad’s best fighters, escapes and seeks help from Star Fox, consisting of Fox, Falco, Krystal, Miyu, Peppy, Rob, and Slippy. It’s now up to this merry band of 8 to take the fight to the rogue general and save everyone.
@@LenOnTheDoor0000 Hey, that's a cool idea! I'd like to see that happen in a new game. That, or another monstrous threat like the aparoids. ^^
@@FoxsDumbSeriesMaker thx! I actually took some inspiration and liberties from Star Fox 2 and the one off manga from back in the day. I even had an idea to have there be a subordinate of Shears who was eager to show up Star Fox as payback for all the times they showed the Cornerian army up.
@@LenOnTheDoor0000 you say, krystal may not be created in japan but it still deserves much more than what it suffered. such a beautiful, intelligent, caring, selfless and loving girl should be treated like a queen in my opinion. they should really make games where in addition to her they also bring back myu and fay from star fox 2 and make a sequel to star fox assault that isn't that star fox command crap.
@@ryujetix1089 I do not understand the first part of what you were trying to say
Another thing I noticed just now, that problem Command has of old but well-known bosses just suddenly returning from the dead because, reasons. I've noticed that happening a lot in Nintendo Bosses in general. Not just with Andross, Andrew, and Pigma, but with a lot of Nintendo Bosses such as these.
-Mario: Bowser refusing to stay down after multiple defeats. Although it was questionable whether or not he was killed most times, it was undeniable in New Super Mario Bros where he gets skeletonized in Lava, only to conveniently be brought back by Bowser Jr.
-Kirby: Multiple foes in the series such as Galacta Knight, Dark Meta Knight, Magolor, Marx, etc, after being actually seen blown up or disintegrated or something, they return in a later game completely alive and well, like nothing happened. And they don't even explain why, just "Oh hey I'm back, wassup"?
-Metroid: Ridley after numerous deaths refuses to stay down, returning in various ways such as a cyborg, a Phazon-enhanced cyborg, a clone, an X-Parasite mimic, etc. Also Mother Brain and Kraid as well. Phantoon is questionable since he is a ghostly alien and probably was already dead, but if he does, he also just refuses to stay down.
-Legend of Zelda: Ganon has been clearly killed multiple times and he never stays dead, although the reason for him is understandable since he is an immortal being of darkness.
-Kid Icarus: Medusa also refused to stay down after multiple deaths, although the reason being was explained that Hades, who is the god of the Underworld, kept bringing her back to life.
Nintendo really does not like having dead bosses stay dead, or having completely new villains take their place. And kinda like in Command, at times they just come back, and hardly do anything with them aside from just a fan favorite returning.
Ganon was canonically killed off three times. In the Fallen Hero timeline, at the end of the first Zelda game. Zelda 2's enemies hunt down Link purely because if they sprinkle his blood on Ganon's ashes, he'll be revived. In the Child Timeline he was truly killed at the end of Twilight Princess. The Ganon in Four Swords Adventures is actually a reincarnation of the original one. In the Adult Timeline, he was strongly implied to have died in Wind Waker (turned to stone along with the Master Sword impaled in his head) yeah, no. He's dead forever in that timeline. BoTW, we don't know yet.
Ridley only truly finally died in Super Metroid. In the timeline, any game after Super has a clone of Ridley with the original's memories (how the Space Pirates have his memories I'll never know)
Bowser I only have one possible piece of evidence: Yoshi's Island DS. Remember the whole Star Children thing? (I have some things that I'll write about this tomorrow since I'm hella tired rn) Bowser is one of them. I have a suspiscion that Bowser's Star Child status is what let's him survive almost anything. NSMBDS, the Koopa Troopas have all kinds of black magic, as said in the manual for SMB on the NES. Bowser Jr could've easily found a way to revive his father.
Would you someday talk about Krystal?
Imho, there were/are ONLY TWO GOOD things about Star Fox Command(three if ya count the concept of having kids):
1. The fact that they gave Slippy a Love Interest(FINALLY!!)
2. The concept of each pilot having their own ship(Falco getting the Skyklaw, Slippy's Bullfrog, etc.)
Other than that, I totally agree......Also, that feeling when a game's commercial is better than the game itself......
Falco and Krystal are my favorites, and I'm pissed at how they were written in Command in the beginning. First off, why have Falco leave for more thrills? Yes, according to Assault's backstory of him, there's a rumor that he considers Star Fox his family, but his coming back to the team shows that he knows where he belongs now. I like that, but nooope, he had to leave AGAIN. And yeah, the way Krystal was kicked out was insulting. To keep her safe, you kick her out? WHERE THE HECK IS SHE SUPPOSED TO GO, FOX?! Her planet was destroyed, and she would be all alone. She can't live on Sauria forever. And I like Fox as well, but this is ridiculous how they have him be this foolish in getting rid of Krystal. I do find it sweet that Slippy found someone he likes, though, but Peppy, having to let Krystal take his place in Assault ONLY to be asked to be General doesn't make sense. I thought the dude retired for work with Star Fox, why are you asking him to take on more responsibility with the Cornerian Fleet?
Command is 100% the worst game in the series.
Nintendo : lets remake star fox 64
Everyone : nintendo this is the 5872910019279366645738 time this week
The only thing that Command did that could be considered good in my book is how all the different crew members redesigned each of their Arwings into a unique craft with different stats that fits each of their character.
That's it.
The F-zero reference in that one ending was interesting but really doesn't matter.
By the way, on the part with the Anglars practically being like Andross.
One of the parts in it say that the Anglars were bioengineered by Andross to continue his conquest, and the Anglar Leader even has a final form where he changes into a giant head, much like Andross (though instead of large hands, he is surrounded by four spike balls). So yeah, practically Andross except in name.
Also Andross’ ghost appears at parts like during this one out-of-place boss battle against a stone version of the Monarch Dodora. Guess they couldn’t completely shift away from Andross.
With the discussion of multiple story pathways, I now kinda want to hear your take on Nine Hours Nine Persons Nine Doors. It’s not a traditional game in any way, but it’s got a phenomenal story, and it’s a really unique experience, especially if you play it on the DS.
I think the absolute worst thing about the multiple endings is that none of them followed any sort of logical progression from your choices. It's like, "Do you want to fight the Anglars on Katina or Fichina?"
"Uh...Katina?"
"Cool. Slippy gets married."
"Wait what? Then what about Fichina?"
"Krystal becomes a bounty hunter."
"WHY?!"
It actually made GETTING those endings harder because you had to actively remember the branching paths and couldn't just intuit which direction the story was going at the time you made the choice.
Oddly enough, I like the Kursed ending in theory, but the way it happened was just silly. I always felt Krystal was a blank, understated piece of cardboard who, at the end of Adventures, just had a meltdown and got pissy with Fox for saving her, and making her into a sort of anti-hero would've at least been something for her character beyond just "girlfriend lulz," but the way they led up to it did not make any sense at all, especially since it made Fox a ridiculous chauvinist to get to that point.
Krystal's kind of a great microcosm for the franchise as a whole: Lots of potential flushed down the toilet in favor of cheap drama and gimmicks.
Krystal deserves a lot more love. Making her an anti-heroine doesn't sound like a bad idea on paper. I actually don't mind her being a love interest for Fox. Both of them lost their respective parents to Andross, so the two are kindred spirits. Hell, you could even make her a telepathic fem fatale. They really should've done more with her telepathic abilities.
@@kidprime6863 See, that's the thing: She gets so little love, it's not even CLEAR that she lost her parents to Andross. Yes, she's the sole survivor of Cerinia, which had...SOMETHING happen to it, and she says, "It's you!" when getting knocked by Andross's spirit into the crystal, but there's no explicit indication that the two are related.
We know almost nothing about Krystal, which is infuriating. She's kind of a great microcosm of the StarFox games themselves: Lots of potential, all of it ignored.
@@SamWeltzin Well, to be fair, Adventures wasn't supposed to be a Star Fox game. It was supposed to be an unrelated game called Dinosaur Planet. Krystal was supposed to be the deuteragonist of the game and the adoptive sister of the main protagonist, Sabre. I think their home planet was destroyed, too.
It's a shame they didn't keep her as a deuteragonist when they rewrote it into a Star Fox game. She was even on the front cover of the game doing a karate stance for crying out loud! Instead they made her a damsel-in-distress. Whatever they had planned for her must've gotten lost somewhere down the road during production. Hell, they never even explained how Andross survived as a disembodied spirit or how he tapped into the power of the Krazoa. Not even explaining how General Scales found all that advanced technology. I'm guessing Andross had a hidden weapon stockpile somewhere on Sauria.
@@kidprime6863 Yeah, that game went through development Hell and had to hurry up and wait multiple times. It lost a lot, but they never bothered to follow up on ANY of it in subsequent games.
@@SamWeltzin You're right. Besides if Andross destroyed her home planet and slain her parents. How and why did he do it?
There has to be a reason. Maybe they had something he needed and wouldn't hand it over or her people were powerful telepaths and he destroyed them for refusing to join his army and to ensure they wouldn't join with the Cornerian Forces. Anything.
Krystal needs a comeback. Not just because I like her and Fox together. But because it was a nice change of pace seeing a new Star Fox team member. Plus I did like that Command gave each Star Fox member a unique Arwing.
Never played this game, never thought it looked all that interesting. I remember watching the endings in a CZcams video and I was... confused mostly. And really REALLY soap opera-y...
Command is an atrocity and deserves to be forgotten (hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't canon anymore). I just wish Starfox Assault would get a PROPER sequel. I love Nintendo, but they are fools sometimes.
Also, love the description of Fox and Krystal in Assault as a "professional couple." I wish more games did that, with romance being there but not so much that it detracts from the main narrative.
I rather see these character's from command brought back but with some minor twerking and respect
You mean _tweaking,_ right...? 😅
@@autobotstarscream765 yes 😔😣
I'm pretty much on the same boat as SF Command is such garbage of a game, from it's god awful story with 9 mostly bad endings, gameplay that's been downgraded from Star Fox Assault, and the writing to be so awful and stupid and uniting for the characters, mainly Fox and Krystal. The the hell did you do to them Nintendo? I love those two as a couple and team mates. It's suck that there hasn't been a continuations for SF Assault (my favorite SF game too) and been getting not 1 but 2 HD remaster remake and reimagining. But seeing how Star Fox ending up in StarLink Battle for Atlas, I have to assume either Nintendo is trying to reimagine SF Adventure's story from it's very controversial opinion, which I enjoy the game as it has potential as a Star Fox game but got executed poorly as it feels like Disney's Atlantis the Lost Empire (most underrated Disney film in my opinion).
How could Nintendo work up on that? Well since we know Krystal is an Assist Trophy (and not playable, shame on you Nintendo I want to play as her in Smash), she hasn't been forgotten. Take inspiration from Star Wars Battlefront 2 (the original not the EA version), by having vehicles and on-foot segments, melee and range weapons, multiple characters to be playable like Fox, Krystal, and Slippy (much like the Halo games, namely Halos 3 and 5, probably ODST too) that you can choice (like with Starlink Battle for Atlas), a sense of scale, and changes in the story like not having Krystal not captured for the rest of the game and hints of Andross's return. Though funny enough I did do a pitch idea of a future Star Fox game on my channel 5 years ago and part it makes me feel embarrassed today.
Anyway back on track with Command, the only good thing I can give it is it has a nice soundtrack (wished it was remastered) and the variety of different ships.
I read all the scripts from Command including Krystal supporting Andross’s intentions or when she renounces Fox and declares Panther her chosen and I also found this.
Fox says to Krystal: “You've done your part. You can stay here or go back to Panther. I don't care.”
I can’t believe Takaya Imamura and Dylan Cuthbert made him a jerk. That’s why I lost faith in the franchise!
I really enjoyed Star Fox Assault when I played it in high school because it was a fun game with a cool, engaging storyline. It tried to move beyond the SF64 storyline, and it made Wolf more than just Fox's rival. Although Wolf was still not a saint in that game, it showed that Wolf was smart enough to recognize that he had to put his dispute with Fox aside to survive the Aparoid invasion. That was great. A new game could've revealed why, for example, Wolf kicked Pigma out of Star Wolf or why he has a grudge against (and respect toward) Fox and his dad.
I couldn't have seen it at the time, but, looking back, SF Assault was basically the swan song for this series. There're so many new directions that they could take this series' gameplay and storytelling, but nope. Ever since that game, Star Fox has been remakes, re-releases, and reboots of games from the 1990s. They have no new ideas left for this series, it seems.
When it came to this game story i feel like they hired the writers that eaither never played any star fox game in thier entire life or they didn't care and just hated this franchise as a whole.
I agree. Nintendo should retcon this game and pick up where Assault leaves off. And I think they should retcon Metroid: Other M too.
I honestly feel like one of the main issues is that characters in this game aren't treated as characters. They're plot devices.
Krystal hardly acts like Krystal. Fox saved her and the planet she lived on, let her join them on grand adventures in space, and then she leaves them, to join a team of criminals, who have several times tried to kill fox and his friends because Fox "didn't want her to be in harm's way". THAT, is disgusting and seriously disrespectful to Krystal's original character and doesn't make sense whatsoever.
And Wolf's team.... What the heck. They did the rival trope so badly, it hurt my soul. Wolf went from a dangerous and formidable opponent to, "Hey Fox I stole ya girl!.... Let's work together!"
Honestly, you could replace this cast entirely in that game, give it a new name, and no one would even recognize them as Star Fox characters.
And the character designs.... God they're butt ugly. Fox in space, a freaking FAN MADE WEBSERIES has characters that suit Star Fox way better!
I feel like this game is the Shadow the hedgehog of the Star Fox series which is just painful. These are good characters! The world has so much potential for storytelling. But now, Nintendo probably thinks the game failed because it tried to flesh out the characters and lore and not because, this game just had terrible writing.
I hope I'm wrong though. I hope they try again with decent writers who love the series.... And that they bring back those two gals from Star Fox 2. :) They were pretty awesome.
Don't forget that Krystal didn't hook up with Wolf, she hooked up with _Panther._ A character who has suddenly started referring to himself in the third person and speaking in rhyme.
@@ToaArcan Did Panther even have any other trait than being egotistically horny?
@@ToaArcan don't tell me about it, i hate panther. a womanizer who hits on all the women in the universe even if they are married or occasionally even have children. I hate that character and just wish he would disappear from the face of existence.
Uh no, the character designs from A Fox in Space are not better. I’d argue that the designs from that, this, & Event Horizon are all bad.
Four years late, but to be honest, Star Fox Command was _supposed_ to be the start of an entirely different franchise, with their own original characters. The Execs felt that it would not sell well, so they basically told the creators to slap the star fox characters and their backstories into the game... Which made it an even BIGGER failure instead.
The reason Command failed was because of how they tacked the personalities of those cancelled characters onto the Star Fox characters. Add in the fact that the Nintendo DS was reaching the end of it's shelf-life, and nobody was going to really going to buy a mediocre game that ruined their beloved characters.
Just a thought...if I were a Nintendo exec...and Im not saying I would take that position...but if I were, and I wanted to take a small risk, but with the knowledge that it would probably make a decent boatload of money...I would resurrect this series with a Krystal-lead game. It seems like theres plenty of open room to write some new story with her, whether it's prior to her arrival on Sauria in Adventures, or post Adventures, while she's training and earning that respect among the Star Fox team.
Just an idea. Two cents deposited.
More respect for our Kyrstal.
A story so bad, it basically killed the franchise.
The idea of Krystal becoming a bounty hunter is just...No.
It could probably work if she never met Fox and the others, but in this timeline, absolutely not.
@@ilikethecokev2
Being a bounty hunter and being a mercenary in space doesn't seem like to far of a stretch. I agree the way she became Kursed was bad and damaging to her character but the profession of being a bounty hunter in itself isn't such a bad idea.
Star Fox Command? More like Star Fox CW.
I love Starfox Adventures and Starfox Assault because the story is awesome and full right AND I play as Fox RUNNING ON HIS FEET with weapons! ♡ I don't like controlling only Arwings&Landmasters because I dont get the feeling I control my Fox!
Fox and his friends are very funny in Assault and Krystal fits to the team and Fox looks very handsome♡
I don't think that going back to the 64 timeline is off the table. Star Fox Zero was described as a "re imagining" that exists alongside 64, which doesn't necessarily mean they're deleting the canon of the GameCube titles. I was under the impression that Zero was just it's own thing.
Besides, Zero flopped. So I wouldn't put money on starting a new storyline off of that anyways. They could still retcon Command and pick up where Assault left off.
YESSSS! Thank you! People need to realize that reimagining does not mean reboot.
This game was a giant pile of trash. The first basic story (which you are locked into) had it where she runs off to be with Panther which...fuck panther!
The fucking massive age difference doesn't help either, Krystal was said to be 16 in Adventures & has a one year timeskip to Assault which should've made her 17 but she was mysteriously aged up more which makes no sense canon wise, while Panther evaded capture by the Cornerian military for decades which would put him closer to his late thirties.
The age gap between Krystal, Panther & even Fox is ick & this is coming from someone who was downvoted on Reddit by the WolFox community for the 9 year age gap was disgusting (another user somehow pointed out that Wolf is of Peppy's Generation which would make it even nastier considering Wolf says in Zero that he hadn't had this much fun since he fought Fox's father.)
Now I am going to vomit thinking about it.
Assault was the last Star Fox for me.
Should've ended the series with Assault. 😔
It made Star Fox Adventures' story Oscar-worthy in comparison, and that game didn't even bother to give Krystal closure.
We went from a creepy floating head(Andross) & scary Cybermen/Borg-like bug robots(Aparoids) to generic, boring, forgettable fish people(the Anglars). Wow, they can't even come up with a creative villain anymore, hence why they keep going back to using Andross.
Literally they could have had them be this this faction that formed on Aquas after the Lylat wars and Aparoid invasion. They form do to a lack of confidence in the Cornerian army as well as hiding the fact that they knew about the aparoids for years and done nothing. This could have Slippy and Amanda have conflicting emotions on the matter as Aquas is his home. Literally that is enough to make them more interesting
There's this fangame called Star Fox: Event Horizon that uses the Freespace 2 engine. It reimagines all the known Star Fox games so far in gameplay and story, so the Command's story might be overhauled. It even has the original voice actors of Krystal and Wolf onto the project.
You should make a video about why Assault’s story is awesome.
In time
You know What Command Needed? It needs A Reworked Story and Released on Wii.
I want a story reboot with Fay and Miyu.
And I want it done without Nintendo!
0:30 - You never insulted me, I agree with you, I hate the story myself, and this game doesn't deserve to be called canon. I mean look at the mess it made in the fandom. Plus it just feels more like some cheap fanfiction because of the developers careless handling of the characters. Top thing I hated about the game above all was Fox and Krystal getting separated, and Krystal childishly joining Star Wolf just to get back at Fox all because he cared for her safety. Two wrongs never make a right, and what Krystal did does not sound like her at all. Plus I hate her supposed fanboys who see her as their girlfriend(and bash Fox because to them he gets in the way of their crushes for her) for making it worse than it already is.
I'm glad I was incapable of owning a DS at the time, because if I did buy it before looking up about the plot I would have been crushed. And it was sad enough when I read more elements about it over time and put all the pieces of the puzzle together throughout the fandom. Almost felt tempted to buy it for cheap on the Wii U virtual console, but decided it wasn't worth the money.
metroid fans: *after other M* ugh they destroyed our baby(samus)!
Starfox fans: first time?
Bison was maybe supposed to die to Akuma in SF2 but it is explained in the later games (such as the Alpha trilogy) that he can come back thanks to his Pyscho Power as long as his very soul doesn't get destroyed, which didn't happen in the SF2 tournament because Akuma wasn't able to. Ryu *MAYBE* did kill him for good in SF5 thanks to the Power of Nothingness, that's not 100% sure but it is kinda implied especially when you know that he doesn't appear nor even get mentionned in SF3 (which takes place after SF5).
When Bison comes back, it makes sense. But Andrew and Pigma got brought back for absolutely no reason and that is another spitting in the face of Assault.
Bison was already confirmed to be alive and ruling Shadoloo in SF3 just that he's in hiding. And Andrew was never confirmed to die since once the Anglars are in the plot the conflict with the Venom remnants is just dropped and Pigma is just a floating cube monster.
I can’t believe they made Krystal so unlikable in this game as She’s so out of character, and she’s so mean. and I agree this game is my least favorite game in the series as it ruin the star fox franchise.
if they had taken a different story, and different controls, the game would have been much better
What about gameplay?
I hope they make a real sequel and bring Krystal back.
They more than likely won't since Starfox Zero didn't sell well enough
@@littenfire3563 yeah but Nintendo still makes money Nintendo can still make another one because of the money they get from other games
Sonic 06, this and me, 2006 was a weird year
Basically sums up my thoughts on Command in a neat 7 minute video.
I understand that Starfox Command doesn't look good, because there's nine different endings. Like, there no *true ending.*
The true ending is Star Fox flying away from the remains of the Aparoid home world in Assault
The director actually stated that meanwhile the story itself is canon none of the endings are. I like to think that next story could have been some of each ending better treated, a new story with krystal again and now with amanda were the relationships grow better. But to be honest I prefer far more just to think command never happened
I guess Nintendo is salty about Rare. Maybe that's why she gets treated badly. :/
I will admit the ending of Krystal becoming Kursed is bad, but I would like to see Kursed return not in the way the ending portrayed her, but rather like she got possessed or is mind controlled. I mean look at Shadow Queen Peach and Puppet Zelda, even possessed Amy, granted she's only in the cartoon, but people still like the concept it is a very interesting one where one of your friends and/or love is turned evil due to actions beyond their control and I think Kursed really fits that.
Splinter cell, GTA and Starfox, why do my favourite franchises crash and burn?
I’m so glad somebody made this video. People are too nice to this game sometimes. Fuck this game.
This game and it's story...
It seems it banters to the classic Star Fox fans that hate all the star fox games that isn't the first and the 64.
They also hate Krystal
Forced drama always makes me cringe.
I will say the touch controls were very intuitive. I hated that it wasn't a traditional star fox game at first, but after getting over that, I learned to like the map navigation and short mission gameplay. The stories were crazy stupid though. Its like they just got brand new star fox (BAD) fanfic writers in the office and gave the plot control to them.
Great essay here. StarFox Command is basically the Sonic 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog of the franchise. It tries way too hard to be dark and edgy and plays like a really stupid soap opera.
On another note, can kind of see Andrew surviving Assault as we only see his ship taken down. I can accept him surviving, but not what this game's use of him.
Star Fox Command isn’t canon.
THanks God...🙏🙏🙏
StarFox Command is like the Halloween Ends of the StarFox Franchise.
I think having Krystal resent Fox and believe he doesn't trust her can be a good story element, but the way they did it here is so wrong and radical. To have an ending like that is depressing, but I think the idea isnt entirely bad, it can be done better.
The worst part is, this story wrote the Starfox series into a corner. That’s why Zero just rebooted 64’s story. I mean if we ever get another Starfox they’d have to make an “in between” story taking place after Assault but before command or pick an ending from Command as canon.
Star Fox Command's story Sucks!
SFC is bad, but there are ways to redeem it. Mostly by retconning thru time travel to erase Command from existence like how Days of Future Past erased X-men 3 and X-Men Origins. I would use Kursed as the one who comes from the future to change it. That's just my headcannon tho
It would have been hilarious if you had a poll on which is more forgettable: Anglar Army or the Squeak Squad.
Considering Johnny did just that coincidentally..
Funny story. I watched that review an hour after I uploaded my vid.
Star Fox Assault is where the timeline should have ended.
Maybe my Doom Wad of StarFox might be the Good ending.
Star Fox Command seems like a bunch of alternate endings to see how different things will play out, so idk why there's THIS much hate towards it 💀
Because a lot of them are bad.
@@joshuagarcia4077 they aren't even that bad, and even so they are ALTERNATE ENDINGS it just shows "if u do this, this will happen but if u do this, this will happen"