sm doesn't care about their idols (in my opinion) | a lengthy rant
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 06. 2024
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SM left a nasty taste in my mouth when Wendy fell during the sbs rehearsal and they didnât sue them. Wendy literally couldâve died from falling from that height, but no⊠canât spell embarrassment without sm ent.
Wait that last part actually was so smart dang wth? NO BUT I WAS SO SHOCKED ABOUT THE NEWS WHEN IT HAPPENED, she was gone for so long but when she comes back the comments were FLOODED with plastic surgery remarks.... It was disgusting
iâm pretty sure the reason they didnât wanna sue is because sbs is a huge media company and they just werenât willing to go against them and possibly never be able to go on their network again if things go bad. i think itâs ridiculous though that they can just get away with causing a life threatening injury
@@zeroseblooms Don't forget that SM does anything about hate comments, they don't care
There was probably some liability clause in the contracts that am signs to have their idols appear on music shows/tv networks that prevented that from happening
Pretty sure there things such as waivers these idols have to sign before stepping out on stagesâŠthere wasnât much sm could do legal wise..there are FAR more pressing issues that should have left of sour taste towards SMâŠ.no shade
What is happening to seunghan will never not piss me off because I'm still trying to make sense on why bro is being punished for absolutely NOTHING.
idk what sm has against their idols dating because first him, then they made Karina apologize for dating, and for those two incidents they became the laughing stock of the internet (or at the very least twt) for a few days. idk how they think any of those things are good business moves
Isn't now knetizens asking for seunghan to be kicked out of riize because they had to refilm the whole mv or smthg? But like they wouldn't had to refilm it if they hadn't made it a big deal,like his situation isnt even a big deal legit theres many idols that have done it
@@duckypato itâs even crazier that the relationship was BEFORE his debut like whattttt
@@duckypato exactly. apologizing for dating does not help the crazy toxic fans.
the sulli and jonghyun situations really piss me off because i wasnât into kpop when they passed. i remember when jonghyun passed, a girl in my choir class talked about it and told people to take care of themselves. itâs just really messed up that sm failed them and the public failed them as well. i didnât know that sulli was hospitalized for a VERY obvious reason and no one at the company saw it as a blessing to freaking HELP HER. so many people would wish they had another chance to save someone or anything, but sm just denied as usual and now sheâs gone. i never understood why people would leave such disgusting comments under her social media for what? nothing. god forbid a girl has a life and isnât the stereotypical woman so many people want her to be when sheâs just like any of us to be normal. itâs honestly why iâve given up on sm ever saying anything when their artists are under fire. in fact, seunghan STILL has no updates from the company on if heâs still in riize or not and i doubt they ever will make one. i love the artists under the company, but the company itself is god awful and deserves none of the talents they have there.
I hate SM and they should take some (not all) of the responsibility for Sulli, but Jonghyun had depression and seasonal affective disorder since childhood and itâs impossible to know what would have happened if he wasnât an idol. He also took a lot of risks by speaking out on issues most idols donât dare to and probably received more hate for that. Sulli received the most hate for being feminist because netizens hate women. BTS got praised for being feminist but Irene was shamed. Sexism is a real problem. Tangent aside, I really donât think what happened with Jonghyun is much of SMâs fault it could just be maybe he wasnât cut out to be famous. Look at Kurt Cobain, he loved music and being in the band but wasnât cut out for the publicity. But Iâm sure he had preexisting issues.
I made a presentation for my choir class about SHINee and Jonghyun after he passed, it really impacted me and (even tho I exposed myself as a kpop fan which was embarrassing to me at the time) I thought it was important to spread awareness about mental health. crazy how at least one other person did the same thing as me. (sorry I didn't mean to make a comment just about myself when this is clearly not about me, I hope my reason for commenting is clear)
SM forcing renjun to issue an apology for the sasaeng who âaccidentallyâ had his number saved and âaccidentallyâ called him a day after the incident happened, but ignoring the years worth of harassment heâs faced is actually insane. Heâs had to speak up for 7dream for years and SM does literally nothing. Itâs honestly disheartening to see how his mental health deteriorated and the company that claims to care for their artists ignored all the signs.
it pisses me off so bad bc what?? if he felt like he was actually heard and mattered to his management then he wouldâve taken it to them instead of taking it to the internet. to me it seemed like he was at his wits end and wanted at least someone to care about what he is going through. but for sm to turn around and make him apologize? i donât condone 100% how Renjun went about things, but making him apologize is crazy, even for sm
genuine question, did he not leak a random persons number that ended up getting harassed? thats whatr i heard
@@medivergethatâs true. The person filed a police report
Jaejoong talks about these things so nonchalantly now too, like barely troubled by PEOPLE BREAKING INTO HIS HOUSE AT NIGHT AND KISSING HIM. Like he had to deal with so much of this shit that he just doesn't even think it's bad anymore. He legit talks about it just like "well at least no one ever tried to hurt me so it's fine".
Like WHAT????
It's protective mechanism, he still sane, maybe bcs if this
Fr... Like bruh how can u be so chill about this
When you were talking about the Jessica situation it reminded me of when SM denied that a staff member had taken inappropriate photos of winter when the proof was literally caught on camera
omg i almost completely forgot about that wtf
BUT SM HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.
Which is why it is always so strange to me how many older kpop fans talked about SM under LSM like they were the best kpop has ever seen.
Other than their infamous SLAVE CONTRACTS, which destroyed idols financially and socially for leaving, making it IMPOSSIBLE for idols to leave, VICTIM BLAMING is also SMâs modus operandi.
Everything wrong with kpop and its bad reputation around the world can be traced back to the birth of kpop under SM and Lee Soo Man.
i think a major thing that makes ppl defend LSM is that he seemed to actually have relationships with the idols. Not to mention the fact that he created modern k-pop by replicating motown concepts, and that SM was actually financially competent under him. iâm not defending him, nor do i think heâs a good person, i just know that i definitely preferred SM under LSM simply bc he seemed to care MORE (not much, but more).
i definitely agree though that SM is behind the creation of almost every thing wrong with kpop. sm has always been abusive.
@@haechansabeoji I do not believe there is a world where the terms of his slave contracts can be reconciled with the world âcareâ. No matter what impressions he has successfully created. Impressions arenât hard to create and to manage. Especially among kpop fans. No offence. I am just being frank given that the only explanation of why abuse continues to happen is not so much a great power to abuse but also the complacency of silent bystanders.
Righttt smh I have completely withdrawn support for SM u now ignore all their groups even the current ones bc itâs the same since tvxq itâs jsut so fucking sick
Sadly SM new owners, Kakao, has had some horrific track records as well. What I heard is from their animation business. How female artists were worked to miscarriages and all artists were robbed of their income. Thatâs just one that leaks out into the media.
Even older kpop fans hate him. I donât know why yâall newer gen stans keep having it stuck in yall heads that older kpop fans were just up LSM ass. We hated him back then too. And clearly SM or LSM hasnât gotten any better since.
21:51, dejavu when that one man was allegedly taking upskirt photo of winter in the behind the stage photoshoot video and sm said the same thing defending the man.
Also sending these girls to an all boys high school surrounded by men with only one bodyguard.
I still think about that upskirt photo thing, it's so vile and disgusting I can only pray they took that man's phone and perma deleted
got confused by the title because it's not an opinion, it's the literal truth
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Another point to add is that a ssang literally left Heechul permanently disabled. Back in 2005 when Heechul was leaving Donghae's fathers funeral, his car was being chased by ssangs. In an attempt to get away, they crashed and Heechul has a permanent knee injury that will continously get worse for the rest of his life.
This and so many other incidents just show how sm never have and never will care about their idols. It's a company created for one thing and one thing only. Money. And as it's been proven time and time again, not protecting their idols dosent mess with their profits, so they have no real incentive to change.
WHAT I had never heard of this đ§
The fact that SM had all the evidence to pursue a case against the NCT sasaeng, Judy, and still LIE about making a case against her is just SO INFURIATING.
I'm not even an NCT stan. This is basic rights to privacy that their employees deserve.
it's also like... I have BEEN at the SM building. You can go in, there's a cafe and a giftshop, all that jazz. And I got confused and turned around while I was there cause I wasn't sure where the cafe is, so I took a round trip in the elevator. The top floors are not an option to anyone who doesn't have a keycard, which is good, yay.
But you can go to the parking garage. 6 levels of it.
I hope that there are more levels you CAN'T go to that are where the artists park and I wasn't trying to stalk anyone so I didn't check, but... I know they film down there often. Kai filmed vlogs in that garage. If this is the place that the idols park why can I go there? why is the parking garage open to the public period? IDK it worries me.
Also sorry you got me off on my anti SM rant too, but I make reaction videos, right?
And OBVIOUSLY I get copyright claimed, a lot, but I had never been blocked by SM, ever.
Until I made a RIIZE reaction in which I talked about how I was boycotting the comeback and not buying the album because of Seunghan.
They fully were going to copyright strike me.
And it's just very questionable how they never cared until I criticized them. How dare I care about an idols mental and physical health, especially an idol who did nothing wrong. Literally nothing. Even his alleged offenses aren't offenses. Having a girlfriend predebut like oooh he has a life how horrible.
I fucking hate SM man. I hate them
Their statement about Jessica sounds like the KBS people were angry about the rumors and SM wanted people to stop so they could keep having good relationships with them.
This is why to this day I don't put much stock in the Lucas situation. Everyone saying "SM not saying anything is proof enough" clearly knows nothing about SM.
Sm operates on this assumption that having these crazy sasaengs is gonna make their groups seem more desirable. Like that is a rumor that has been going around for a long time and I fully believe it. the reason they do nothing is cause the sasaengs insane actions make headlines and SM allegedly thinks this makes more people believe the idols are someone special because if people do all this insane shit in pursuit of them, they HAVE to be extraordinary.
It is BULLSHIT. THey don't give two fucks about anyone's mental health either. Like I am a Jonghyun ult, do not get me started on talking about the way SM handles mental health. Fuck them.
Do I condone doxxing? Do I condone idols getting violent? Or whatever the hell they do to retaliate? No, but I understand it. I understand it so freaking much. What else are they gonna do?
omg sm copyright claimed me on one of my vids so i donât make money off of it, they take all the money, and it was so scary because it was so immediate like?? right when the video was gaining traction i got the email from youtube that they claimed it
@@duckypato for me they escalated it from a claim to a strike cause I disputed the claim demanding a manual review because I said the song they claimed was in fact not in the video. Which is correct, they claimed the video had a Taeyong song and it was all RIIZE.
SM has been in the modern day kpop industry since day 1, they CREATED the kpop we know of now. A lot of the problems we have to deal with are because of SM's refusal to deal with them or due to their ridiculous contract requirements.
SM has fed into the delusions of sasaengs. H.O.T have had many merch releases during their short time being a group however releasing necklaces filled with the member of your choice's blood is actually out of the box. While the blood may have been so diluted to the point you can't get any dna from it, the way someone even THOUGHT of this is bewildering.
@@zerosebloomsIVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD OF THIS WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL????
â@@zeroseblooms whaaat? đš
@@zerosebloomsI canât remember now, but was it their actual real blood?
@@zerosebloomsWHAT THE FUCK ? Where did u get this info ?
VERY LONG RANT AHEAD
Most of the groups I like are SM groups (aespa, NCT, Red Velvet, EXO, SNSD, and SHINee) but my ult group is NCT and my ult bias is Haechan and I remember there was a month or two (canât remember when, but I think it was last year) where his sasaengs were at their worst. Like for a good month or two, every single day, we would get videos of sasaengs calling him. Like the sasaengs would post videos of them calling him and they were always so proud of it, even if he would hang up in their face or if he was obviously mad. During that time, his Instagram lives streams would just cut off in the middle (sometimes multiple times) due to people calling his phone. This was so bad to the point where he had to keep asking the viewers to stop calling him almost every live. Then there was the whole thing of SM releasing a statement about a sasaeng breaking into his home (while he AND his family was there). And they released this statement MONTHS after the incident which like⊠youâre a bit late???? They released it saying that from now on theyâre gonna protect NCT against sasaengs and in hindsight, that was a fucking lie đ There was also this one Instagram live (from maybe 2-3 years ago?) where he talked about how uncomfortable he and his members were bcuz sasaengs would constantly lurk around their dorms and just wait for them. Like these NCT sasaengs have been a problem for so long, and the fact that Haechan and Renjun (and Iâm sure other members as well, but I just canât remember off the top of my head) have to be the ones to confront these sasaengs and BEG them to stop, while SM sits back and does nothing is so telling.
And then beyond the sasaeng issue, SM neglects Haechanâs physical health so badly. Like heâs in two groups full time (with Mark), and he went on hiatus during their tour all of a sudden. We were told at the time that it was just heart palpitations. But then during a live stream this year, he talked about the hiatus and the way he explained his health issues was worse than just heart palpitations. Like he was scared for his own health. SM completely downplayed his health issues (which he explained was caused by burnout/overexertion), probably because they didnât want to be blamed for his health issues. He literally filmed TWO music videos while we was in this condition. I hate SM so much fr
I donât wanna be the type of person who makes everything about their bias when their bias was never mentioned but since weâre on the topic of NCT, sasaengs, and SMâs mistreatment of their idols, I just had to let everything Iâve been thinking about this topic out đ I bet every single Haechan stan could talk about this topic for hours
i'm really scared for haechan, he's my ult bias and have been a nctzen for a good 5 years and it's terrifying seeing what he's going through
Omg yes, haechan is my bias too and heâs been targeted since before debut, he was 16! Itâs terrifying. All members of NCT have had serious issues with sasaengs. The stuff Taeyong had to deal with since debut as well. SM doesnât care about protecting the idols and they honestly encourage stalker behavior, thereâs never been repercussions for anyone, not even in the most serious cases.
@@fullsundoll they have literally thrown him under the bus and mistreated him so much from the very beginning. Just absolutely awful, it's impressive that he's grown into the person he is despite everything
â@@fullsundoll could you tell me? Preferably, verified things. I am ignorant
@@fullsundoll I already read your original comment about Heachan. Now I see you're the same person đ I wonder if taeyong experienced similar things.
Throughout the whole history of kpop, these sment sasaengs have been THE most psycho out of all really. Thank you for talking about this, even if we feel like nothing much happens. But if we spread the worst enough to more people, at some point fans will demand some actions taken by sment.
Iâve been thinking this for years now. They have some of the best vocalists, dancers, visuals, stylists, art directors, producers, photographers and then the WORST management. Itâs insane! Youâd think theyâd be the best since sm founded K-pop.
@@viki7268 Seotaiji and Boys introduced pop music to Korea. K-pop. A moisture of various genre of American music performed with choreographed dancing. Lee Soo Man and his SM Entertainment MONETIZED IT.
My stupid phone really want to say moisture every time I type MIXTURE
@@HailToTheMeep Pop music definitely excited in Korea for far longer than Seotaiji and the Boys lmao. SM factually founded kpop as we know it today - they literally formed the entire trainee system that every kpop company uses to this day.
@@katr_i_nawhich he got from Motown.
Bring up Sulli and Jonghyun đ SM literally allowed two idols to die. They had mental health issues, they knew about it, they knew about the hate and the stress. And they decided to lie to the public and try to hold up the (outdated) traditional idol persona of their idols đ
YALL WE NEED TO BOYCOTT OR NOTHING WILL CHANGE
YES EXACTLY
sm adds or removes idols from their groups for pure controversy and immediately pushes comebacks when such happens đ¶
SM really needs to get their company together and protect their idols.. đ€Šđ»ââïž
For clarification on Exo and CBX: Baekhyun, Chen, and Xiumin have left and all signed under the label Baekhyun made, INB100.
Their contracts for solo activities are all through that while their group contract for EXO remain through SM and it appears SM are keeping their EXO money hostage because after the initial lawsuit was settled, INB100 is now sueing them AGAIN for wage issues.
Kyungsoo aka D.O left SM as well and founded his own company with I believe his longtime manager, their company is called SooSoo Company.
The other members are as far as I know still under SM.
It appears SM have relaxed on their banning their idols on Korean TV, but I believe that's only because there are now so many big labels that aren't SM that they don't have that same deathgrip on Korean entertainment.
thank you for the clarification! it was a little confusing for a while with it being reported that CBX and sm were under good terms, and then not, but iâm glad to see that theyâre not giving up so easy!!
Junsu from TVXQ mentioned that he is still banned in most TV programs (he thankfully made a career for himself and appears in many youtube videos and ofc on musical stages) but it's insane to think how long ago it was and how they're still trying to ristrict their former idols
I think it also has to do something with exo being more popular than when tvxq was still active (from what I've seen) and there could be more backlash especially from korean fans if they try to ban them
Honestly no company is perfect but they at least care to a extent for there idols but sm doesn't seem to care about them they barely pay the and they don't even pay their staff make them work when they are injured or sick don't defend them when they get accused of things and make them apologize even if they are innocent not to mention their history of blacklisting,slave contracts and mistreatment of foreign artists
Edit I also want to say I don't believe yunho didn't want to press charges the same situation happened with Haechan when a saesang broke into his house with his family their and about Jessica I would guess that kbs threatened them to blacklist their artists if they didn't deny it not a fact but kbs is more corrupt than any company
SM literally letâs their idols get harassed and stalked with no consequences towards them, SM is xenophobic against their own Chinese idols and let others be xenophobic towards them too, SM literally SABOTAGES their groups so they donât outshine their company , two sm idols have tragically taken their own lives because of the neglect from SM . SM is quite literally the trashiest company out there
its horrible because sm has some of the most talented idols too. they are well known for having amazing vocalists, dancers, rappers, producers, etc. if they got their management and security under control they would kinda be unstoppable. but theyâve always been the worst at doing their job đ
its a pattern. The worst sasaengs are almost always from artists whom their companies donât do anything about it, unfortunately I canât see this getting better bc the people that should be taking action, just let those crazy ass sasaengs live freely bc of money the company can get thanks to that đ«
Not that related to the topic but I love when people speak their native language out of nowhere during an english video. I swear that insulting in my language always feels better đ
Knowing that sm already has two suicides on their hands I feel like they just want their idols dead and Iâm just terrified for renjun and everyone else in sm
Being a company stan in general is such a stupid idea but I always eye the SM company stans because the amount of people that have sued and left that company on bad terms is WAY too high. I love that the company prioritizes and produces amazing singers and vocalists but that's where it ends.
@@fullsundollunfortunately yes. A company stan is a person who has a weird obsession to any individuals that comes from a specific company & the said person will hardcore defend everything that related to the said company. When I say it like that, if youâre a normal person with common sense you will think âhuh, you know you can love the idols from the specific company without liking the specific company, right?â. But these company stans couldnât understand that concept & always sees as us criticizing a company where homed their beloved idols as an attack to their favs that will harm their growth & such which is frustrating bcuz thatâs not the intention at all. Honestly it doesnât only applies to SM specifically. These days hybe also has their crazy company stans ready to defend them especially when fandoms of groups under hybe tried to educate everyone about their association with Scooter guy.
@@fullsundollEXACTLYYY! SAMEEE!!
@@fullsundoll Yeah SM stan are called pink blood lol
I can count pinkbloods on one hand compared to people who stan SM artists but hate the company. Every single SM group fandom has a burning the SM building meme. Even Wish which just debuted. That should tell you something.
I feel like kpop stans are too passive about how mistreated SM idols are. Like I know all companies are kinda shitty anyway but SM level of shittyness is beyond that. I genuinely don't see why there are so many people who consider themselves as pink blood aka SM stan. Like, I can understand if you just like SM groups a lot, I'm myself a huge fan of most of their groups cus let's be honest SM idols and music production are just insanely good but being fans to the point of defending SM every move, always finding excuses to SM poor decisions and accepting how they mistreat their idols is just crazy to me. Like, I swear to god most SM stan cry about how mistreated their favs are but never really do anything about it. Idk man, there is a point where we should all just fuck SM up to show them how we want those idols to receive better treatment. SM idols are always the first ones to have to apologize for the dumbest stuff, among the worst paid even tho they are literally under one of the biggest companies. I seriously hate that company to the cord lol just look at how they treat their biggest groups. They have zero respect for any of them
company stans in general confuse me because like, all companies have their good and bad parts, why defend a company of all things? so weird but đ€·ââïž
i love dreamies w all my heart but i genuinely i can't stomach seeing anything abt them these days bcs i feel so sorry for renjun, whenever i see updates esp abt him speaking up abt the boycott and sasaengs, i would think that things would get better but it would always come back to him worse and it's so... genuinely so upsetting esp after "knowing" renjun for years, even though iam a firm believer that in the end we truly don't know idols bcs we only see what they want us to see on camera, renjun or anyone truly doesn't deserve any of the things that has been happening to him
i dont keep up with any NCT unit, but i feel like whenever i hear of them itâs either a comeback or something bad happening and itâs so disheartening even for me as an outsider looking in, i canât imagine how it must be to be one of their fans. but yeah, so many industries including the kpop industry is so filtered and curated a lot of the time, so seeing these little slips of what idols may actually be going through is so jarring.
also i love your pfp đ€đ€
@@duckypato right : ( for me it feels particularly awful for dreamies esp since they're touring and from behind eps we can see how much renjun wanted to perform, the hiatus was so sudden and the timing is just sad + taeyong's enlistment, the fandom as a whole (nctzens) don't get along either, the split between unit fans is pretty obv so it's a mess
i agree with this, im a pretty big nctzen and I have been through a lot with this shit. i feel so bad for renjun and sm ent is just so terrible at protecting idols.
thank you for speaking out for renjun. not only does he have to deal with stalkers which he has spoken against before years ago but the past 12 months (arguably longer) heâs had to deal with a lot of scrutiny similar to sulli so when you brought up part of her situation a pain in my chest started because his ig comments and twitter posts look like that. not just Korean, itâs hate in Chinese and Indonesian too. Idk why. the only thing that makes me calm down aside from not being in fandom online is that he does want to come back.
regarding the most recent incident where he shared âan innocent civilianââs number, was it the best way to address the issue? No. And it should not have reached the point where someone feels that was the only way to do so. What PISSED ME TF is in smâs statement that âthey should have managed[renjun] betterâ. It just seemed like theyâre saying they will control him more.
I think part of why companies donât take these people to court is that the stalkers/harassers can be minors and are protected by law. People take advantage of that. Iâm a long time kpop fan too and itâs so frustrating.
i hate that heâs getting hate for speaking up for himself when no one else is doing it for him. my thing is that he has seemingly gotten so paranoid, as any person would with being stalked for so long, that he felt the need to call these people out, even knowing what the consequences could be, he still did it, and then SM almost immediately shuts him down when they could have prevented all of this by implementing better security for their idols and by actually punishing people who are actively stalking their idols.
about the sasaengs being minors thing: South Korea has strengthened their laws against stalkers, especially those whoâve done it for long periods of time, but companies donât take advantage of this which is so confusing. and whatâs even more confusing is seeing South Korean lawyers be confused about why companies donât bring legal action to the stalkers. about the people being minors, me personally, i think that if they donât want to bring legal action against the sasaengs because of their age, it could be civil action instead of legal (since the sasaengs clearly have money), or something as simple as banning the sasaeng from events. however SM doesnât even do that, so đ€·ââïž
as a briize this video makes me feel understoodđŁïž
I haven't even watched the video yet, but yes: yes, they don't care about their idols, especially their foreign idols. I've been a fan of NCT for years and I've seen that shit in practice.
I remember a year ago that Kyuhyun from suju got stabbed for saving a friend from a crazy person and his new company rushed him to the hospital as soon as possible and thankfully he was saved, and hearing about this I was thinking that if he was still under SM he would have been dead because in 2007 he and three of his bandmates were involved in a car accident and he was in a coma for 4 days and when he was STILL recovering, SM literally forcing him to be in the next super junior comeback, and onto to the cherry on top during these godamn comeback, Heechul was couching blood for vocal straining and what they did dear SM? NOTHING, god I just hope that these company is gonna rot in hell in the future.
OH MY GOD WHAT????
@@duckypato Yep, I wish I was joking and it's only the tip of the iceberg.
I canât believe I have never heard about this?? What??
I have no concrete evidence but based on the behavior of entertainment companies in other countries, I think that SM doesn't handle these issues because their own upper management is involved. We know there's corruption inside the company; Lee Sooman himself was convicted of financial crimes and has a history of other shady behavior (like the slave contracts). I think that cooperating with the police to investigate crimes committed against their idols would be too risky for SM.
Iâm pretty new to kpop (Iâve been only been here for 3 years) and a some of my favorite groups are SM groups. EXO, Aespa, NCT, and now RIIZE. While I donât know a lot of the history for groups like EXO and Shinee, I felt more connected to NCT and RIIZE, (especially the latter since I had been watching them a month or so before debut) and as it went on, the more I learned about them, the more I learned about SM and their horrible ways.
I learned about NCT and the whole Lucas-ssaseng scandal (and no, Iâm not an anti, I donât believe liars.) I had wondered why SM didnât do anything to protect him, or even defend him to the public if he worked for their company. Two years later and we *still* donât have a âclear answerâ to what happened. He FINALLY came back in April of 2024 after an almost 3 year sentence for lies because he exposed some ssasengs.
And now thereâs RIIZE, who Iâve been watching for the last few months. I got to watch in real time all the crap thatâs happening to Seunghan. After Talk Saxy released and (it hadnât even been a month yet, so they were still doing promotions) SM put him on an âindefinite hiatusâ, words any SM vet know all too well. Heâs spent more time on hiatus than he has with the group (their debut anniversary is September 4th mind you), and it was for the stupidest things. People demand for answers, and though we see him in public from time to time, we donât have a clear answer as to whatâs going on with him.
I really donât want Renjun to end up in the sme basement just for protecting himself. I wish all the artists could come together and sue the company and get some kind of justice, but I know it wonât happen.
them being so unclear about the Lucas situation is so weird to me, like they couldâve just had him sit down and talk about things from his side with receipts instead of a almost vlog like, multi part thing that felt super produced and insincere at times. itâs couldâve been a thing where he can say the things he didnât do, and if he is guilty of something, have him outright say what he did do, like either way theyâre gonna lose some fans, might as well come out with the truth.
the Riize situation pisses me off so bad because theyâre punishing him for something so natural, that happened BEFORE debut, and then in most of the lives used as proof of his relationship there were 4 average viewers, iâm sure they can figure out who was watching.
there are so many things that they do that are so illogical that i canât even try to understand where theyâre coming from, especially from a business standpoint.
@@duckypato exactly! And this is unrelated, but the fact thereâs not a group from the company thatâs well known internationally like BTS being from Hybe, BlackPink being from YG, and Twice being from JYP really rubs me the wrong way. Like sure, they have a couple of groups that are super well known, but once you get to the west, theyâre not as huge as the ones I mentioned and others. Almost as if they get too famous, theyâll realize the artists wonât need them anymore.
With Lucas's situation, SM clearly didn't defend him because they couldn't. Their management is garbage, but they have cleared the names of plenty of their idols in the past (where they could - obviously in situations where the idol was guilty of the accusations, like Irene, they legally cannot defend them).
Ultimately, Lucas's case is a clear-cut example of SM desperately wanting to keep him on as an idol (especially as he was one of NCT biggest money-makers and stan attractors) but because they can't clear his name (not them actively choosing not to) they basically tried to soft-launch him several times to see the general reception/attitudes towards him and also realised they couldn't bring him back as part of WayV since his popularity and reputation is in the ground in China lol. He's arguably one of the best treated SM idols - they literally gave this man a solo before NUMEROUS other NCT idols who are objectively more deserving (longer-served and more talented) simply because they realised they were unable to bring him back to WayV/NCT and refuse to get rid of him.
âââ@@shostysboo Coachella also asked years ago for exo to participate in it and what did SM do? They refused it đ Idk all the details on why but exo participating in coachella would've been ground breaking and made them more popular considering they also have god tier vocals. They really deserved that yet sm did nothing. I'd say exo is pretty popular internationally too. They have a large international fanbase but like what you said, they aren't as popular as blackpink, bts, or twice. SM definitely doesn't want their artists to be more popular than them. Exo could've been on the same level as bts when it comes to popularity but that damn company sucks at promoting them. (Also if you notice my username and why it says sm don't worry those are my initials in case you think of me as a company stan đ I'm not)
the fact that taeyeon isnât even the first sm idol to be attempted to be kidnapped by fans đ it happened to tony an from h.o.t in the 90s too
My theory on Jessica incident that it did happen and the VP made SM make this statement or he sued or do something to them bc heâs on top of the hierarchy and can since itâs very common for them to abuse their power.
Duck, I had originally subscribed for the chisme but this video blew me away. Your candidness about the importance of mental health and raw vulnerability was inspiring and heartwearming. Donât feel you should apologize for that as these idols give it their all yet get not nearly enough in return. You are so brave and cool for your donations and mission with this channel. Please take care of urself after this heavy video. ÂĄBesos! Te amo te amo đđđ
this comment is so sweet thank you so much, i mean it very deeply. yo tambiĂ©n te amo que linda eres enserio casi lloro de nuevo đ„č
I can feel your sincerity. Im so mad and sad at how idols are treated as objects. SM must be hell to work at if this is how they treat their idols. Imagine how staff members are treated. Just toxic af for everyone except maybe the CEO and his coterie.
About the mistreatment part on foreign idols, I might have to point out a former Super Junior member (Hangeng, who left in 2009 after the Sorry, Sorry era) developed gastritis and kidney disease because of SM's refusal to give him any day offs (he's been working his ass off for two years straight w/o any breaks)
Also, has anyone in the comments talked about Suho's infamous sasaeng Rion?
The way SM manages their talent is the big reason why I don't stan any of their artists even though I like some of their artists and the music they put out. It's also no wonder they're currently the only company in the big 3 (plus HYBE) that have had their artists sue them. This company could careless about the wellbeing of their idols as long as they can profit off of them.
Thank you for making this video and talking on how trash SM is when it comes to protecting their idols. I really appreciate you for talking about this and love the video a whole lot. âĄ
all saesangs are terrifying but the fact that they can be hiding as staff members??? sm idols just cannot trust anyone
Loved this, I always look forward to your videos. The timing is so coincidental, the other day I was watching some TVXQ videos and saw the one of Jaejoong fighting with the saesangs. Also in regards to Renjun, SM made him apologize for leaking a alleged saesang phone number. I personally don't believe that person was innocent, I have no proof though, I just feel like these saesangs are always one step ahead. I just highly doubt that Renjun would purposefully leak a random number/mistaken caller. I have a feeling this person tried calling him before (maybe from a different number sinc ethis person claimed to hand over their phone records) and he recognized whoever it was. Regardless, he's been fighting these people alone and I give him a lot of credit. SM sucks.
Pretty sure it wasn't a random civilian's number. Some ssang did the same thing to an EXO member years back, he had to apologize too. It's a tried and true excuse and cyber stalking is hard to prove in court anyways, not to mention that these companies never take legal actions against them
As a newer nct fan Iâm big on supporting all the units, so learning that Lucas was on hiatus and all the rumors about him was pretty bad all for sm to neither confirm nor deny anything really set in stone my opinion about them as well as my brief knowledge on exoâs Chinese members as well so learning all this is just horrible
say it louder for the people at the back!!!!
My mom hates SM but lives the music from them and used to low-key Stan NCT. She was so upset about SM making that man apologize for standing up for his privacy.
I've always disliked how SM handles literally anything and literally doesn't protect their idols. I'm not surprised that many Chinese idols under SM ran back to China to debut or make a career because SM is so messy especially with non-korean idols. Don't get me started on the company lying to fans about the trajectory of the company every single year.
the strange thing is from everything i know about them, sm seems like an absolutely TERRIBLE company but behind the scenes they are clearly doing something right because they have SO many artists who've been signed to them for years?? like why stay ??? what the hell goes on behind the scenes that even yunho would stay after he literally got stalked to all hell and they didn't do anything??
SM contracts are really hard to break. See, almost all sm idols who break their contracts get sued by SM so I guess those idols don't want or are too afraid to fight against SM. Just look at the EXO members who left SM case
â@@meilichankan9282 This and they have the power to ban you from the music industry if you leave (what happened to Jessica, she promotes in China today. She talks about it in her books, they force music shows to NOT invite some artists). Also some artist have debts towards their company (not just SM) and it's a vicious circle. Now on a positive side I think Lee Soo Man really had a great vision for Kpop and people trust him, and it's not surprising so many idols are leaving SM after he's been kicked out.
no u are right as reveluv this passs promotion week since birthday to now cosmic this company continusly failed to promote them and then when they were in scandals literally had them from themselves i hate sm so much
What kills me is that Renjun has anxiety and depression, most likely so bad it has to be medicated and ssngs KNOW how bad his mental health is and still don't care. Just like the "fans" that hate on him for doxxing his stalkers. Idc about how legal his actions were, he's paranoid and done with their sht, I would've done much worse if I was in his place. And sm ONLY stepping in when it's HIS fault. ONLY doing stuff when it's the SASAENGS privacy that gets "invaded". A whole entire shitshow, that company.
I might be biased as a golden era fan, but I would say avoid giving any money or attention to sm if yâall can. And only get media secondhand instead of giving them money, including getting downloads of mvs/performances etc. instead of directly contributing to the views on official videos. I donât regret my kpop days, but if I were able to know then what I know now about how these poor babies were treated, (especially as someone who is anti-capitalist and applies this to every other area of my life), I wouldâve withdrawn my support and encouraged others to as well. Thank you for this video. I love that young people are becoming more and more conscious of these things. It was rare to hear this much genuine concern when I was a tween kpop fan.
BIGGEST example of SM mistreating foreign idols is giselle of aespa. always giving her least lines, being left out of collabs, being harrassed online, letting her preform for so long to the point where she passes out, giving her outfits that dont fit her body type, etc. how mentally insane do you hasve to be to let an idol suffer all this mental anguish for so long to the point where they question if theyre alive in 10 years??? sm is absolutely sick.
girl not to downplay her but this honestly isnt mistreament just lack of a better word of consideration
Let's not forget that SM would chain its artists with 15 year contracts if they could! Instead, they sabotage their promotions to get the next contract rounds to be as unfavorable as possible for their senior artists.
I love your videos!! Tysm for making them they are very interesting
The thing about SM is i LOVE the artists there but man fuck that company
About the treatment of their foreign idols, as an nctzen, I'm very glad that WayV recently moved to another center (the one with Shinee where they handpicked their staff, or so I heard) because in neo center (the one where they manage NCT) they did not treat them or promote them well and now in like 2 months in the new one they've been doing much better or so it seems
And then about Renjun I hope he gets the time to rest that he deserves, and comes back whenever he feels ready, love him sm and I wish sasaengs didnt bother him (or any idol, in general tbh) to the degree that he feels like he has to expose them himself because the company doesn't do anything
Sorry for my English, I don't usually comment but I really appreciate your videos!
AHHHHH im about to go into work and of course the first duck video in awhile dropsđđđ so excited to watch later and genuinely hope youâre doing okay even tho im a random internet stranger đ
you should have used the shinhwa nude book(the youngest member was 18 and peer pressured into doing it)(shin hwa were also over worked and made to sign a slave contract that had them legally fighting sm for years) and h.o.t blood necklaces as explains to because sm sees their artists as nothing but merchandise they can sell. and no changmin wasn't legal at that time(the tought that changmin debut at 15 still makes me sick)
I don't even listen to kpop and yet i'm tired of sm and sasaengsđ
whyy does sm have to release the BEST music ughhhhhhhhhhg
love yourr videos†sm count your days
You ask if the treatment of foreign idols has been the same even in the past?
well, it was worse.
That is the reason Hangeng from SJ, aka the first ever foreign kpop idol, left the group
A couple of months back he did an interview in china talking about that once again
He literally said he got more money as a trainee than as an idol
and when the lawsuit was bought on, there were talks about the company not giving him proper rest after some pretty serious health condition, and his family being basically ostracized when they went to see him.
I'll not blame SM (much) for the fact he couldn't appear on music shows at the beginning, cause that was the tv channels responsibility on the most part, and it shows the huge systemic problem the industry had at the time. HOWEVER, if you are gonna train and debut a foreign member, and you ARE the biggest kpop company in the game, I do believe they should have lobbied for that to happen before they had to ostracize Hangeng like that.
iâve found your channel recently and i love watching your videos and playing flipline studios games along with you while you talk! i love the way your videos are made, it feels like gossiping with a friend in the most fun (and non-parasocial) way possible. the topics you talk about are very important and iâm glad youâre making videos about them! have a wonderful day! :)
Btw that picture of Jaejoong sleeping was taken at a sauna, imagine how scary that is...
I will never understand why these people are okay with their idols personally hating them. Surely not being known at all is better than knowing the person you love and admire absolutely hates you??
the day mental health is taken seriously everywhere, is the day world will heal.
it's shocking how something so important and detrimental gets treated like its a fictional ailment, i just think about how my family view mental health and it honestly makes me sick.
I can still remember coming back home and reading the news when Jonghyun (my forever ultimate bias đ) passed.
I just wish for people to be understanding towards others
41:05 Please don't be sorry, it's ok to get emotional!! :D l loved the video and I too got super angry at sm for the ways they didnt protect them - sulli and jonghyun (edit: i misspelled his name and im sorry, thanks for the correction) - sulli taught me abut how it's ok to not wear a bra if u dont want to which now seems norml but nobody told me or gave me this information so i gave me a huge part in liberation/ independent or whatever u wanna call this to my younger self which i cant express my gratitude for enough. so before i get too emotion, love from germany
It's spelled as Jonghyun
just letting you know, never apologize for your emotions! it just lets all of us know how much you care for the people that you talk about! I will always enjoy your videos because I can tell how much you care about each topic! as a kpop stan myself i have similar emotions about what happened in the kpop industry. i think emotions like this are good because we can relate to it, thus create more of a connection with your channel
I wonder why the company hasn't improved now that lee soo man was forced out a year ago are all the people in charge at sm trash
Yeah, tbh I do think they're all trash đ
I agree SM doesnât give a f*ck about their artists thatâs sad because theyâre part of the reason they make the money have now & itâs not even just that but they are human to. But whatâs mind boggling to me is how some of them end up signing with SM again.
sm is one of if not the WORST kpop company (in my humble opinion đ„°)
Iâm not gonna watch this video right now because I will get too angry, and Iâm skimming around at work. but I wanted to say itâs important that youâre speaking about this.
SM's long history of mistreatment and mismanagement is why I've had beef with them for years. TVXQ, BoA, and SNSD were some of the artists that got me into kpop, and even back then they dealt with unimaginable levels of foolishness. SM lets their sasaengs and anti-fans get away with murder because SM relies on them and their parasocial relationships with the artists to help keep up momentum - all press is good press in their eyes, even if it puts their artists in danger.
Sin mencionar que Heechul tuvo un accidente de trĂĄnsito tratando de escapar de las ssg cuando saliĂł del FUNERAL DEL PADRE DE DONGHAE!!! Ese accidente fue el que lo dejĂł mal de la rodilla y ahora no puede promocionar.
TambiĂ©n hace poco unas ssg doxearon la cuenta de una supuesta novia de Yesung, haciendo que todo se fuera a la mierda y Ă©l tuvo que salir a decir que no tenĂa novia y que no sacaran informaciĂłn falsaâŠ
Bueno⊠ni hablar de lo que hicieron con Sungmin y su boda⊠es todo un video aparteâŠ.
Lo menciono porque nadie habla de estas cosasâŠ
i always think about the one time where a staff shamelessly took a picture up winters skirt. like wtf! It was from a bts for a photoshoot and sm edited the video clip out of the original vlog. I hope that isnt something that happens often for the girls. like comeon he turned on the camera app on his phone and stood directly behind for some time with no apparent reason. the worse part is that it happened when the camera was recording the girls as if the guy assumed that sm would cover his ass or something. pls tell me that yall remember that too!!
the queen has uploaded again
ay hermana, no sabes el odio y coraje que le traigo a SM desde lo de Chen y lo poco que hicieron para proteger la privacidad de el y su familia, mas como podĂan decir cosas tan horribles de su primera bebita, enserio que no entiendo como pueden romantizar e idealizar tanto a las personas coreanas y sus comportamientos tan enfermos đ„Č
I was listening while playing and then you started speaking spanish omg i thought i was tripping
DeberĂas hacer un vĂdeo en español algĂșn dĂa
I donât really listen to SM artists/keep up with their music, but all I can say is SM count your fricken days
I blame the sm stans they worship that company especially the korean side look at how they reacted to cbx lawsuit they were against them
Lets go new video â and Yeah SM ent is honestly a horrible company
i have this theory that sasaengs will never stop existing because companies also profit from them, not only with the official schedules, but how do they get the idols' personal info in the first place? exactly, imo companies are involved too idk
i'll never forgive SM for what they did to jaesu
i find it funny that lee soo man went out of his way to choose onew for his company and he still left in terms of solo activities along with taemin LMAO keep in mind taemin was one of the few people who passed the saturday auditions for sm where it's almost impossible to pass and then went on to literally grow up to be one of the most iconic kpop artists today, but guess what he up and left after the contract expired too
and im still so mad about what they did with super m, in this case lack thereof, there are so many fans including myself waiting for a comeback or at least some official crumbs of the group after four years of radio silence, but no, they lied abt a comeback in 2023 and we're still waiting, the only thing we've had so far was last year's kcon and they didn't even perform together, and knowing what happened with lucas (don't get me started on that because it was such a mess) i doubt we're going to get anything from them in a long time, sm is fumbling so bad and HAS been and its so frustrating esp because almost all my favorite groups come from that company
Well, Lee Soo Man was kicked and no longer works in SM. Hybe bought back all his assets. And Hybe politics seems to actively destroy Kpop creative minds (they kicked Zico out of KOZ, his own label, which makes ZERO sense)
Honestly I think as bad as management is, LSM was the creative genius that made it work, so hearing a lot of idols are leaving so soon after LSM left makes sense. They were loyal to him, not SM. And SuperM was LSM's project that's why it was dropped right after he was kicked, then new management sent Kai to the army. Kai had no idea they planned his enlistment so soon, he had comebacks planned and it surely included SuperM (heck considering the timing, there must be a SuperM album and MV entirely produced and sleeping somewhere).
you're actually completely right for that ngl and it sucks knowing sm's probably not going to do anything with super m now that lsm isn't there to actually make them do things as a group and with the whole hybe thing it's just super disappointing ://
yay new video :)
I am really worried for Renjun I know SM won't do anything for him.I want him to leave pink company.
It's always cool to discover a new kpop commentary channel. If I can give constructive criticism, I just think the game background isn't that interesting to watch in my opinion. Maybe add more screenshots of what you're talking about, it can be hard to follow what you're talking about without any visuals other than the game to figure out what happens in the story. Also, don't get me wrong I find it great to have your non-english interventions too! But you don't always translate you say so sometimes we don't know what you mean at all. Overall, a bit more rhythm with a better background related to your comment would be perfect. I know it's never easy to read stuff like this, but knows that I really want you to improve in a good way because your content as a base is very solid.
i donât take issue with the criticism at all, thank you for it! i get those comments a little frequently, and i try to improve when i can, i usually add translations to my videos on screen, but in trying to add yt subtitles i got a hand injury and couldnât finish, but am finishing them now! also, if i can ask, what would be some good things to put in the background? i keep getting the suggestion of fancams, but that seems like a tricky situation with copyright. thank you again! đ«¶
@@duckypato Ok I understand. I wish you a quick recovery for your hand! About your video background, yeah fancams would be too risky. Maybe more photos of the different people involved then? Photocards or the big subway and building advertisements? Public fan calls and fansign events? Or if it's legal to show, a part of some Weverse and old Vlive streams would be a nice integration too. In any case, take your time. Improvement will come with practice. You have my full support!
Yay, I love the new video also hate sm
I like your videos, especially when you speak in spanish; en español se siente mås la frustación y el enojo XD
sm no tiene vergĂŒenza deberas
About the exo cbx situation, Baekhyun made a company called INB100, In around January it was revealed Xiumin and Chen are in his company for solo promotions, but unfortunately they are still with sm for exo promotions
I got into kpop in 2010 through mainly SM artists (DBSK, GG, Shinee, and EXO). I stopped supporting SM artists because the company is vile. I can't give them money and be fine with it. They don't treat their artits like they are human. Jaejoong is my ult bias, so I'll be damned if I ever give money to that company.
diablo me asusté cuando comenzó a hablar en español
Girl you need to tell me which Papa's game you're playing in the footage
here one pissed me off sm entertainment mistreated almost all their chinese idol using them money maker in chinese music market from hangeng super junior to ninging almost not all them were mistreated and unfair to their korean member,blacklisted all idol who filed lawsuit and left on bad term from all korean entertainment but they have succesfull career in japan and china.
iirc yunho didn't want to sue the girl who poisoned him because she was still a teenager and he didnt want to ruin her life, but its on SM in the first place since they should have had staff that was paying attention to the food
Not just SM. HYBE also don't care about their artists.
I think hybe at least does stuff to protect their artists. Lately, they've been sueing people left and right for harming their idols, people are crying on twt over how they've been receiving judicial papers from about for malicious comments ect so yeah. All companies are bad but SM is crazy level of bad lol
@@meilichankan9282 thank you for the info. I'm no longer on Twitter, because of all the stupid rules
yeah, fuck hybe and their horrible associations, but they seem to treat their idols pretty well
@@duckypato I agree.
This ain't opinion, this is FACT
SM NEED TO START LOOK AFTER DBSK AND SUPER JUNIOR. TWENTY YERS AND SM STILL NOT LOOK AFTER DBSK AND SUPER JUNIOR. DBSK RESON WHY SM NOT FLOP. SM UNGRATFUL. DBSK THE BEST. DBSK DESERV BETER. WE WILL MAKE SM BANKRUPT TO AVENJE DBSK. SM IS NOTHING WITH NO DBSK. KPOP IS NOTHING WITH NO DBSK. FACT.