What I loved in Rebels since Thrawn came up, he personaly was never defeated by the rebels on their own. He either backed off by himself to achive a bigger picture, one of his lower in commands fucked it up or some absolute ridicoulus otherworldly creatur or trickery interfered The rebels could never beat him in pure stategy!
And in the original trilogy, they only won because R2D2 with the Death Stars plans so happened to land on the same planet where Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Han Solo were. Hundreds of thousands of planets in the galaxy, and he so happened to land where these three were.
@@killer-ox4rp um the first space battle of Lothal (the opening battle for the taking of Lothal) was a definate win, the battle of Atollon was such a win that the entire Phoenix cell and Massassi Group (the capital ship wing) got absored into the rebel cell that was acting as a command and control for the other cells because they didn't have enough ships left to do anything, then also at the battle of Atollon he took down the Bendu a 3rd party that attacked both sides, then in the second space battle of Lothal he only lost because of the space cows other wise he would have completely wiped out the entirey of the attack force and the Tie Defender factory would have been rebuilt and operational
I thing it’s because his species think like a computer where they want results and nothing more of I’m wrong please inform me so I can correct it for future discussions
@@randomperson-cr8vs Yeah, pretty same reason why any attempt of exeprimentation of creating force-sensitive representative of his species turned into insane specimens - the force is too everchanging and it's impossible to calculate that his species is entirely foreign to it. Which is fascinating, considering that even some droids have potential to become force-users.
By committing the Empire's resources and money into the two Death Stars instead of the arguably more useful TIE Defender programme that Thrawn was behind, as well as other initiatives that were arguably better on the strategic level. Thrawn argued to Palps' face about quite a few of them, but was summarily ignored. Palps was good on the whole lightning from the fingetips and evil cackling, but he was a crap commander-in-chief.
In legends a while after the rebellion he did kind of wreck the New Republic, and might have entirely conquered it if it weren’t for his bodyguard assassinating him.
@@Shipwright1918 Imagine how many TIE Defenders would have been made from the resources it took to make 2 Death Stars, we’d certainly see even more improvements and a TIE Defender “on steroids”
It says a lot about the Star Wars universe that the biggest threat the rebels have ever faced is an officer who is good at his job and treats his subordinates like worthy beings deserving of being listened to and coached to improve if they happen to misunderstand. The space wizards (both light and dark) really do need the force even just to keep up with this man and they are lucky to have quite as much plot armor as they do.
this was probably de-canonized but i remember sidious telling vader in a comic that the great thing about their empire was that they would always have enemies to kill, including people trying to backstab them. the empire is simultaneously his reason for existence and his biggest handicap lol
@@icecreambone _" the empire is simultaneously his reason for existence and his biggest handicap lol"_ Which was the same kind of truth for the Republic, really ; so corrupted by politicians and corporatists and protected by Jedi, themselves so blinded by arrogance and conceit, that it took merely two siths in alternance over an extended period of time to litteraly make it vote itself into said Empire. The irony is so thick, even a sumotori looks like an anorexic in comparison.
@@DBArtsCreatorsinteresting, but I think the outcome is very dependent on other factors. Specifically, light or dark revan/when in the time line and what specific resources were at his disposal for this war. Dark side revan with bastilla as his apprentice and working Star forge? No contest revan wins. But the mere fact this man could contest with powerful force users as head of a galactic scale faction is extremely impressive.
@@blacksabbath5300 Neither. Pre-Mind Wipe Darth Revan (it is arguable, ignoring the TOR MMO, that the 'Revan' we play as is not the real Revan mentally. After all, the 'Revan' we play as doesn't have proper recollection of his memories and had his personality rewritten, which is confirmed in KotOR I by Bastilla/Malak & indirectly confirmed in KotOR II by Zez Kai-Ell's comments on the subject). While the 'Revan' we play as might be more 'powerful' than his pre-mind wipe self, the pre-mind wipe self is a much better tactician, more knowledgeable, and more proficient in the Force (and also has a more comparable time frame of experience to Thrawn than post-mind wipe 'Revan').
Obi Wan: It's over Thrawn i have the high ground! Thrawn: You underestimate the power of the mound of explosives you now so proudly stand atop, to which i own the trigger. Your immediate surrender is... advisable but not required. Obi Wan: wait...THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS! Thrawn: Tell me..."GENERAL" was it? have you ever STUDIED the art of war?
Sounds about right honestly I always thought it was kind of silly that the movie acted like a little bit of high ground was the end of the fight sure it's an advantage but a small one
@@yami122 It was a small advantage yes, but Obi-wan was a much better duelist than Anakin. Anakin was very gifted in lightsaber combat but Obi-wan was just plain better. So that small advantage was adding to his already superior skill and better control of himself and the force. Basically, Anakin had already lost the fight. That statement was Obi-wan's attempt to convince Anakin to stand down.
I strongly disagree Kenobi showed himself kind of a lightweight against Duku well Anakin was able to completely dominate him Honestly the scene was pretty poorly done where because the fight needs to end Skywalker just does a jump right next to a standing opponent with no guard whatsoever and honestly it breaks my immersion because that's just not how someone is powerful as him would act even if he's blinded by rage he would at least be swiping or doing something instead of just an unblocked slow flip@@milamberarial
@@yami122 The fact that he is blinded by rage is exactly the point. The entire scene was showing him becoming more and more unhinged and out of control. If you notice later as Vader, he almost never loses control. Thats why Vader is a far better fighter than Anakin ever was. Obi-wan lost to Dooku for a few reasons, partly because Dooku was a duelist by specialty, he wasn't actually that good against things like blasters. And partly because Palpatine was manipulating everybody in that scene, especially Anakin. Palpatine wanted Anakin to kill Dooku. He wanted him to lose control. He knew that wouldn't happen if Obi-wan was still in the fight. Dooku was literally a worse fighter against Anakin than he was against Yoda or Obi-wan. Anakin wasn't better, Dooku was worse. Because of Palpatine. If Palpatine had been on Mustafar during the fight, Anakin would probably have killed Obi-wan too. Maybe not though, him being maimed worked for Palp's plan.
Sadly, the Emperor's own tactics of fear and manipulation ensured that no other Imperial officer would have his attitude. He is an officer that the enemies of the Empire would do well to fear, one both incredibly skilled at their own game, and so loyal that he cannot be bought or coerced.
@@korsekil I don't think the Emperor's tactics had anything to do with the flaws of his followers. After all, Palpatine had personally trained proteges such as Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin and Fleet Admiral Gallius Rax, both of whom are comparable to Thrawn in military skill.
im sorry but not really with tarkin, i mean he was ok but thrawn was leagues better then tarkin, hell tarkin made the tarkin doctrine the main thing people point at when they are looking for what was wrong with the imperial military@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain
@@funnymale289 lol no he's nothing like Mussolini or Adolf. If anything he's like the Erwin Rommel of Star Wars a good man stuck on the wrong side because of the greater threat that's out there.
He is like the (Transformers) Shockwave of Star Wars. Unbeatable in sheer intellect and driven only by a desire to achieve results first and foremost. Though Thrawn is likely more loyal to his faction than Shockwave
Soundwave definitely fits the bill more. Loyal to the decepticon cause and megatron, surrounded by traitors and incompetent fools (sometimes both), a brilliant strategist, and most definitely not lacking in hand to hand combat
@@jokerman9295 Unfortunately not true. The Emperor has his own ego and like most dictators, will try to kill anyone he considers competition. He surrounds himself often with yes-men too terrified to go against him, and people he believes he can completely control with his usual tactics, fear and manipulation.
The best thing about Thrawn is that he never fails. His defeats come from things noone could have predicted: Purgils, Bendu, Constantine's amateur mistake. Now that Thrawn has an army completely loyal to him, he will be much more dangerous than he was in Rebels.
We are also not sure about what kind of resources the new Republic has available to them so thrawn could be out matched by sheer number which could be a big problem for him
Thrawn was fortunate that he was not around during the Clone Wars....had he been there regardless of which side he was on, Sidious would have eliminated him simply because he would have been too effective and would have unbalanced the war in his favour, destroying Sidious's plans for a long drawn out war. Thrawn would have seen the truth long before others as in a real conflict between the Republic and CIS....the CIS would have won easily by sheer numbers. He would pick up on the sudden retreats from Victory and Victories in place of where there should have been defeats
At the time of the Clone Wars, I don't think Thrawn (or any of the Chiss afaik) would've joined the CIS or the GAR as they were from the Unknown Regions and often loved to keep to themselves heavily rather than do anything to help any wars unless it involved their territories or extra-galactic threats. In 27 BBY, Thrawn met Sidious and the two struck an agreement, after Thrawn absolutely dunked on Sidious' private task force, that Thrawn would destroy the Outbound Flight (it was full of Jedi) to prevent the Yuuzhan Vong from finding the galaxy too early. The "If" scenario for this, I believe, is if the CIS or GAR had gained a huge amount of power and technology that I think Thrawn would've struck a deal or served in either to benefit the Chiss Ascendancy in furthering their capability to defend the galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong ("Far Outsiders" as the Chiss called 'em). As for Palpatine's schemes, I believe you'd be right on Thrawn instantly seeing through the facade but he would care less as long as his goals remain the same and the Chiss Ascendancy are benefitting from whoever to get access to greater amount of resources to fight the Yuuzhan Vong. (This is Legends lore at the least for Thrawn and his books [as well as some other Legends books. There is one definitely about the Outbound Flight but that is definitely in the Thrawn Trilogy] do a great amount of explanation on it so I won't say more to either confuse people or sound like a headless chicken :D)
It's true. If you're not willing to degrade yourself, put aside personal desires, or do things that are uncomfortable, you're not willing to win. There's a reason real-life soldiers push on through mud, blood, boredom, a constant risk of death they have no power to prevent, and literally smelling like their own waste - they're in it to win it, or they're in it for the people fighting next to them or behind them, or both. People who fight for glory give up and back off if they get slapped too hard, people who don't care about their own gain don't.
@@GreenNinj4 Do you truly know what an idiot is? or you think the force (plot) made him lose? do you even know what thrawn did to be definied such or you just despise the empire because Muh rebellion?
I could listen to Thrawn all day and never be bored, there is alot about him that makes me admire the man, he has his ways of dealing with situations, he is clever, why I would dare to say that the whole Galaxy is one big chess board to him and he was moving his pieces in to position piece by piece, I love a character with a good strategy in them
@@Rings-of-Saturn2 Plot armour, I would imagine, is conjured up on the spot. The purrgills were established in advance. Besides, if the canon novels are anything to go by, Palpatine would have punished, if not executed, Thrawn, very soon. A good thing he was removed from the story; it would have been a waste to see such an officer mistreated at the hands of the Emperor.
I disagree he only lost because of the the force. He was an experienced and talented leader that would have destroyed the rebellion but he never prepared for the force.
@@notme8232 he caught the rebels several times and could have destroyed the ghost many times plus he destroyed their fleet and their leader and took the planet. Then he made Ezra surrender and could have killed him but the emperor said no. He had the rebellion in hiding and only after he was gone did they actually start winning majorly
@@lightdarksoul2097I think he’s talking about the Ashoka show. Where basicallly he miscalculated at every step and barely got away, while letting Ezra back into the universe
I mean his goal was achieved, he's off that place, Ashoka is stuck, and while Ezra can warn the New Republic he likely escaped before seeing the planet he escaped to so they can't find him. I do count that as a win.@@somethingawesome1462
Words can’t describe how muxh I love this man. I think I got more excited over him than Anakin in Ahsoka. Adjust the costume so he dooesn’t look like he has a gut and give him more to do and he’s perfect.
Thrawn is a force that must never be reckon with. What makes him very feared is not just his cunningness but also his ruthlessness in war. Do not underestimate him!
the fact it ends with him hearing this. I wonder if he lost sleep over that. He must have accepted it as a possibility as all leaders must. you can't will yourself to win every battle esp when you have a grand picture for winning a war
Thrawn is literally every master strategist in history all encased in the body of a Chiss. Whenever he commanded the field, rebels never knew victory. It’s only because outside forces or inept subordinates that he didn’t train up that would cause any of his operations to falter
Because Thrawn is actually a man more intelligent and competent than the entire team of heroes combined. With a character like him about, there is no logical way for the Rebels to win. They basically had to pull a "spiritual" victory.
@@Mediados the way i see it thrawn is a man more intelligent than the writers, up to this day i keep wondering why he sabotaged himself by putting admiral Constantine in the interdictor cruiser, the one ship that would prevent the rebels from escaping, this coming from a man that planned his meeting with the emperor from 'exile' from his own
@@KOFUNLOADEDbut unlike in Ahsoka where those setbacks gained him nothing, and then he moved the goalposts, in rebels, each minor setback gave him a piece of intelligence about the rebels, until he finally tracks down their base. (Battle of Atolon was a bit of letdown. Thrawn would never put Constantine on the interdictor, nor would he personally land to direct ground operations, he’d stay in space on the Chimaera directing things from there).
The glory line reminds me a lot of Darth Bane... While im not a fan of his portrayal entirely in rebels, he clearly did have some great moments. I wish Zahn wrote the Ahsoka show, Filoni absolutely butchered Thrawn in that. Zahn would've worked his magic like in the OG 3 novels and the new canon 6 novels.
@bobwilson679 The first thing we see of thrawn is this cringe as fuck chant of his name by the troopers. Then we see the man himself, fat as fuck, not intimidating at all. At least they could have done the service of using his signature theme (one of, if not my favourite in star wars) but nah fuck that, instead we get some stupidly loud thing. Then we learn that Thrawn hasn't fucking found ezra after 10 years on the same planet, and with Ezra having been on the same fucking ship as thrawn when they came to Peridia. He has access to witches that can detect force users through space, and Imperial survey equipment like probe droids etc. That's just the first few minutes of his appearance
@@_PK777_ First of all, really? "Then we see the man himself, fat as fuck, not intimidating at all." MY GUY, THAT'S THE SAME DUDE. The guy who voices Thrawn here is the SAME GUY who plays him in Ahsoka. They chose to have the original voice actor play the role, rather than bringing in some buff dude who sounds nothing like him. I think that was absolutely the right move. Secondly, why would Thrawn bother spending time and resources hunting Ezra? From a tactical perspective, what good would hunting down Ezra during his time in exile do? It would not further his goal to get home, and if he sent out squadrons of troopers, any individual squadrons that encountered Ezra would have been killed. Keep in mind he did not have unlimited stormtroopers and ships at his disposal, he only had what was on his Star Destroyer when he got exiled. Ezra did not pose a threat on his own, and as Ezra said, it would have been suicide for him to try to assault the temple alone, so Ezra would not have been able to stop his plan alone. Only when there were two more Jedi was Ezra then a credible threat, and even then Thrawn was smart enough to know he likely couldn’t kill them, only slow them down. Which he did. And he won, he got away and went home. They did a good job of portraying Thrawn in Ahsoka, you are simply blinded by your hate and refuse to see it.
If you think about it, the story of Grand Admiral Thrawn comes down to one horrifying question: What if Erwin Rommel was a true believer in the Nazi Party?
But he was. At the start, before it became all too clear what they were REALLY all about. "Jews? Who cares about Jews, don't these people know we are fighting a war?"
@@Grubnar I mean, there's very little indication that he ever actually was anything other than a true believer. The evidence that he was part of the July 20th conspiracy was essentially just that some members thought he might be willing to serve as defense minister in the new government. Contrast that with him being a friend of Hitler's, and the whole story of him being a figure opposed to nazism seems questionable.
Rommel was overrated as hell. Nowhere near as smart as Thrawn. People treat Rommel like he’s a Wellington, Napoleon, Alexander, or Caesar level military genius. He wasn’t.
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 Well, I hae to say I find this disappointing. Not so much the part about Rommel being overrated, as the part about his being friends with Hitler and more of a true believer than I thought he was. Which brings me back to Thrawn, and to the horror he represents. How can such a man turn a blind eye to the cruelty and craziness of the regime he serves so loyally and so well?
He was defeated by jedi trickery and space whales!They knew he couldn't be defeated by intellect because let us be honest Ezra and the rest of the rebellion's forces had not the military genius of thrawn.
Yeah thats why Ezra had this back up plan. He had to try something so insane and that thrawn couldn't have known to expect to win but it was something that Thrawn never understood. The Jedi's powers and Ezra's especially
@@lightdarksoul2097 Agreed. Thrawn also underestimated Ezra as a person. He saw him as merely an immature boy who would "flounder" without his master Kanan. Every comment Thrawn made about Ezra was condescending during season 4.
Yeah and he did seem to learn from that even acknologing Ezra as one who had outsmarted him in Ahsoka. Also even Ezra doubted himself after Kanan. @@JH24821
@@Grubnarhe was though. His goal was never to kill Ahsoka and her friends. It was too escape with the cargo and The Great Mothers and most of his troops. He achieved all of those goals and ended up stranding Ahsoka, Sabine and Huyang in that galaxy at the same time. All he needed to do was stall them long enough to get the cargo on board and get back to his own galaxy. He did it. Sure there were tactical retreats but that was necessary and smart. Especially when Baylan Skoll just left his apprentice and his allies to fend for themselves when he was supposed to fight with them. But of course idiots like you wouldn't realize that.
suddenly he does Ahsoka Series Thrawn is way different But well, what did I expect since Rebles Thrawn is way different then the OG one, too Feloni as a big SW fan my ass, he read the wookieepedia and thought to him self how his version would look like
How disappointing for Dave Filoni, that the animated version of Thrawn, is infinitely better than the live action version. Maybe he should've just left Thrawn in the more capable hands of the person who created the character in the first place.
What I loved in Rebels since Thrawn came up, he personaly was never defeated by the rebels on their own.
He either backed off by himself to achive a bigger picture, one of his lower in commands fucked it up or some absolute ridicoulus otherworldly creatur or trickery interfered
The rebels could never beat him in pure stategy!
And in the original trilogy, they only won because R2D2 with the Death Stars plans so happened to land on the same planet where Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Han Solo were. Hundreds of thousands of planets in the galaxy, and he so happened to land where these three were.
@@lisboah Pretty sure Leia knew Obi-Wan was on Tattooine. Thus why she went there.
never lost to them
but he also never won
i like his char but that show never fit him he should have been in a way better and serious show
@@killer-ox4rp um the first space battle of Lothal (the opening battle for the taking of Lothal) was a definate win, the battle of Atollon was such a win that the entire Phoenix cell and Massassi Group (the capital ship wing) got absored into the rebel cell that was acting as a command and control for the other cells because they didn't have enough ships left to do anything, then also at the battle of Atollon he took down the Bendu a 3rd party that attacked both sides, then in the second space battle of Lothal he only lost because of the space cows other wise he would have completely wiped out the entirey of the attack force and the Tie Defender factory would have been rebuilt and operational
@@killer-ox4rp "he also never won" uhm my sibling in Christ Thrawn literally obliterated their base at the end of season 3
The fact that Vader couldn’t even sense his emotions in the books.🥶
What?😮
read thrawn: alliances, very good book@@unvisitantemas
@@unvisitantemas If I'm not wrong it's something with his race actually.
I thing it’s because his species think like a computer where they want results and nothing more of I’m wrong please inform me so I can correct it for future discussions
@@randomperson-cr8vs Yeah, pretty same reason why any attempt of exeprimentation of creating force-sensitive representative of his species turned into insane specimens - the force is too everchanging and it's impossible to calculate that his species is entirely foreign to it. Which is fascinating, considering that even some droids have potential to become force-users.
If this guy didn't have Palps holding him back, he would've wiped the floor with the Rebel Alliance.
Amen, plus blue-broski was pulled into a different galaxy because he was too tough to defeat lmao
How was Palps holding Thrawn back?
By committing the Empire's resources and money into the two Death Stars instead of the arguably more useful TIE Defender programme that Thrawn was behind, as well as other initiatives that were arguably better on the strategic level. Thrawn argued to Palps' face about quite a few of them, but was summarily ignored.
Palps was good on the whole lightning from the fingetips and evil cackling, but he was a crap commander-in-chief.
In legends a while after the rebellion he did kind of wreck the New Republic, and might have entirely conquered it if it weren’t for his bodyguard assassinating him.
@@Shipwright1918 Imagine how many TIE Defenders would have been made from the resources it took to make 2 Death Stars, we’d certainly see even more improvements and a TIE Defender “on steroids”
It says a lot about the Star Wars universe that the biggest threat the rebels have ever faced is an officer who is good at his job and treats his subordinates like worthy beings deserving of being listened to and coached to improve if they happen to misunderstand. The space wizards (both light and dark) really do need the force even just to keep up with this man and they are lucky to have quite as much plot armor as they do.
Thrawn vs. Darth Revan would have been an interesting war
this was probably de-canonized but i remember sidious telling vader in a comic that the great thing about their empire was that they would always have enemies to kill, including people trying to backstab them. the empire is simultaneously his reason for existence and his biggest handicap lol
@@icecreambone _" the empire is simultaneously his reason for existence and his biggest handicap lol"_
Which was the same kind of truth for the Republic, really ; so corrupted by politicians and corporatists and protected by Jedi, themselves so blinded by arrogance and conceit, that it took merely two siths in alternance over an extended period of time to litteraly make it vote itself into said Empire. The irony is so thick, even a sumotori looks like an anorexic in comparison.
@@DBArtsCreatorsinteresting, but I think the outcome is very dependent on other factors. Specifically, light or dark revan/when in the time line and what specific resources were at his disposal for this war. Dark side revan with bastilla as his apprentice and working Star forge? No contest revan wins. But the mere fact this man could contest with powerful force users as head of a galactic scale faction is extremely impressive.
@@blacksabbath5300
Neither. Pre-Mind Wipe Darth Revan (it is arguable, ignoring the TOR MMO, that the 'Revan' we play as is not the real Revan mentally. After all, the 'Revan' we play as doesn't have proper recollection of his memories and had his personality rewritten, which is confirmed in KotOR I by Bastilla/Malak & indirectly confirmed in KotOR II by Zez Kai-Ell's comments on the subject).
While the 'Revan' we play as might be more 'powerful' than his pre-mind wipe self, the pre-mind wipe self is a much better tactician, more knowledgeable, and more proficient in the Force (and also has a more comparable time frame of experience to Thrawn than post-mind wipe 'Revan').
"You misunderstand... *I am not accepting surrender at this time* "
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Coldest line lmao, it was perfect.
Obi Wan: It's over Thrawn i have the high ground!
Thrawn: You underestimate the power of the mound of explosives you now so proudly stand atop, to which i own the trigger. Your immediate surrender is... advisable but not required.
Obi Wan: wait...THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS!
Thrawn: Tell me..."GENERAL" was it? have you ever STUDIED the art of war?
The ultimate weapon against the high ground
Sounds about right honestly I always thought it was kind of silly that the movie acted like a little bit of high ground was the end of the fight sure it's an advantage but a small one
@@yami122 It was a small advantage yes, but Obi-wan was a much better duelist than Anakin. Anakin was very gifted in lightsaber combat but Obi-wan was just plain better. So that small advantage was adding to his already superior skill and better control of himself and the force. Basically, Anakin had already lost the fight. That statement was Obi-wan's attempt to convince Anakin to stand down.
I strongly disagree Kenobi showed himself kind of a lightweight against Duku well Anakin was able to completely dominate him
Honestly the scene was pretty poorly done where because the fight needs to end Skywalker just does a jump right next to a standing opponent with no guard whatsoever and honestly it breaks my immersion because that's just not how someone is powerful as him would act even if he's blinded by rage he would at least be swiping or doing something instead of just an unblocked slow flip@@milamberarial
@@yami122 The fact that he is blinded by rage is exactly the point. The entire scene was showing him becoming more and more unhinged and out of control. If you notice later as Vader, he almost never loses control. Thats why Vader is a far better fighter than Anakin ever was. Obi-wan lost to Dooku for a few reasons, partly because Dooku was a duelist by specialty, he wasn't actually that good against things like blasters. And partly because Palpatine was manipulating everybody in that scene, especially Anakin. Palpatine wanted Anakin to kill Dooku. He wanted him to lose control. He knew that wouldn't happen if Obi-wan was still in the fight. Dooku was literally a worse fighter against Anakin than he was against Yoda or Obi-wan. Anakin wasn't better, Dooku was worse. Because of Palpatine. If Palpatine had been on Mustafar during the fight, Anakin would probably have killed Obi-wan too. Maybe not though, him being maimed worked for Palp's plan.
I do not require glory only results for my Emperor. Now that is what a true Officer looks like I've always tried to learn from his example.
Sadly, the Emperor's own tactics of fear and manipulation ensured that no other Imperial officer would have his attitude. He is an officer that the enemies of the Empire would do well to fear, one both incredibly skilled at their own game, and so loyal that he cannot be bought or coerced.
@@korsekil I don't think the Emperor's tactics had anything to do with the flaws of his followers. After all, Palpatine had personally trained proteges such as Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin and Fleet Admiral Gallius Rax, both of whom are comparable to Thrawn in military skill.
im sorry but not really with tarkin, i mean he was ok but thrawn was leagues better then tarkin, hell tarkin made the tarkin doctrine the main thing people point at when they are looking for what was wrong with the imperial military@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain
Wasn’t he fascist tho
@@funnymale289 lol no he's nothing like Mussolini or Adolf. If anything he's like the Erwin Rommel of Star Wars a good man stuck on the wrong side because of the greater threat that's out there.
He is like the (Transformers) Shockwave of Star Wars. Unbeatable in sheer intellect and driven only by a desire to achieve results first and foremost. Though Thrawn is likely more loyal to his faction than Shockwave
Destructicons Inferior, Soundwave Superior.
Soundwave definitely fits the bill more. Loyal to the decepticon cause and megatron, surrounded by traitors and incompetent fools (sometimes both), a brilliant strategist, and most definitely not lacking in hand to hand combat
1:23 All Imperials should learn from Him
Exactly! 💪
because the emperor only gives a shit about results, nothing else 😂
@@jokerman9295 Unfortunately not true. The Emperor has his own ego and like most dictators, will try to kill anyone he considers competition. He surrounds himself often with yes-men too terrified to go against him, and people he believes he can completely control with his usual tactics, fear and manipulation.
The best thing about Thrawn is that he never fails. His defeats come from things noone could have predicted: Purgils, Bendu, Constantine's amateur mistake. Now that Thrawn has an army completely loyal to him, he will be much more dangerous than he was in Rebels.
We are also not sure about what kind of resources the new Republic has available to them so thrawn could be out matched by sheer number which could be a big problem for him
That is if feloni doesn't completely ruin him
@@awp4444 You know he created thrawn right?
@@the_undead thrawn was created by timothy zahn or however you spell his name
Thrawn was fortunate that he was not around during the Clone Wars....had he been there regardless of which side he was on, Sidious would have eliminated him simply because he would have been too effective and would have unbalanced the war in his favour, destroying Sidious's plans for a long drawn out war. Thrawn would have seen the truth long before others as in a real conflict between the Republic and CIS....the CIS would have won easily by sheer numbers. He would pick up on the sudden retreats from Victory and Victories in place of where there should have been defeats
Seeing how he acts in rebels. I suspect if he was let in on the plot to destroy the republic Thrawn would likely accept and go along with this plan
At the time of the Clone Wars, I don't think Thrawn (or any of the Chiss afaik) would've joined the CIS or the GAR as they were from the Unknown Regions and often loved to keep to themselves heavily rather than do anything to help any wars unless it involved their territories or extra-galactic threats. In 27 BBY, Thrawn met Sidious and the two struck an agreement, after Thrawn absolutely dunked on Sidious' private task force, that Thrawn would destroy the Outbound Flight (it was full of Jedi) to prevent the Yuuzhan Vong from finding the galaxy too early. The "If" scenario for this, I believe, is if the CIS or GAR had gained a huge amount of power and technology that I think Thrawn would've struck a deal or served in either to benefit the Chiss Ascendancy in furthering their capability to defend the galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong ("Far Outsiders" as the Chiss called 'em). As for Palpatine's schemes, I believe you'd be right on Thrawn instantly seeing through the facade but he would care less as long as his goals remain the same and the Chiss Ascendancy are benefitting from whoever to get access to greater amount of resources to fight the Yuuzhan Vong. (This is Legends lore at the least for Thrawn and his books [as well as some other Legends books. There is one definitely about the Outbound Flight but that is definitely in the Thrawn Trilogy] do a great amount of explanation on it so I won't say more to either confuse people or sound like a headless chicken :D)
It's true. If you're not willing to degrade yourself, put aside personal desires, or do things that are uncomfortable, you're not willing to win. There's a reason real-life soldiers push on through mud, blood, boredom, a constant risk of death they have no power to prevent, and literally smelling like their own waste - they're in it to win it, or they're in it for the people fighting next to them or behind them, or both. People who fight for glory give up and back off if they get slapped too hard, people who don't care about their own gain don't.
The man who taught Sun Tzu everything he knows and even Chuck Norris respects!
They needed him so hard in the last season and in Ahsoka.
He wasn’t nerfed in Ashoka. He was forced to work with the limited resources he had left after the empire fell. And. He. Still. Won.
@@daviddelgadillo4502needed, not nerfed.
Ahsoka is trash and Thrawn is turned into abomination of "I shat my pants... just as I planned" by the brainrot of the Rat.
@@daviddelgadillo4502Its true that he wasnt nerfed there because he already was an idiot in Rebels.
@@GreenNinj4 Do you truly know what an idiot is? or you think the force (plot) made him lose? do you even know what thrawn did to be definied such or you just despise the empire because Muh rebellion?
I’m a Star Trek guy but holy he’s badass
I mean he's basically a star trek captain working for the empire so yeah, I can see why XD
I could see Thrawn sipping wine and discussing art with Picard, war with Worf, and then finish off by helping Sisko defeat the Dominion.
I could listen to Thrawn all day and never be bored, there is alot about him that makes me admire the man, he has his ways of dealing with situations, he is clever, why I would dare to say that the whole Galaxy is one big chess board to him and he was moving his pieces in to position piece by piece, I love a character with a good strategy in them
At last, he freed his emotions. That’s why he was defeated
He was temporally removed from the story because of plot armor
@@Rings-of-Saturn2 Plot armour, I would imagine, is conjured up on the spot. The purrgills were established in advance. Besides, if the canon novels are anything to go by, Palpatine would have punished, if not executed, Thrawn, very soon. A good thing he was removed from the story; it would have been a waste to see such an officer mistreated at the hands of the Emperor.
No, he lose only becuse of space warms attack. He perfectly eliminate his weaknes and emotions to the end
I disagree he only lost because of the the force. He was an experienced and talented leader that would have destroyed the rebellion but he never prepared for the force.
@@SamvedIyercan I get an explanation on this and where I can find this lore information?
My man Grand Admiral Thrawn!!!!!! 🙏🏽💪
Thrawn’s defeat prophecy of “many arms”…perhaps it wasn’t the Purgil, maybe it’s Abeloth 🤯
Who is that? I remember hearing something about her but I can't remember what
Meanwhile, Disney's Thrawn "I shat my pants... just as planned"
I think... you're really stupid no? This is disney hello? Rebels?
Yeah, dude only ever achieves, like, one strategic objective in three whole seasons
@@notme8232 he caught the rebels several times and could have destroyed the ghost many times plus he destroyed their fleet and their leader and took the planet. Then he made Ezra surrender and could have killed him but the emperor said no. He had the rebellion in hiding and only after he was gone did they actually start winning majorly
@@lightdarksoul2097I think he’s talking about the Ashoka show. Where basicallly he miscalculated at every step and barely got away, while letting Ezra back into the universe
I mean his goal was achieved, he's off that place, Ashoka is stuck, and while Ezra can warn the New Republic he likely escaped before seeing the planet he escaped to so they can't find him. I do count that as a win.@@somethingawesome1462
Considering the corrupt burning shithole New Republic becomes by the time of Disney sequels - I'm all for Emperor Thrawn continuity.
it almost makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter lol.
I mean they were dead by the first movie when the planets all blew up@@JeanLucCaptain
The new republic was like that in Legends too.
Words can’t describe how muxh I love this man. I think I got more excited over him than Anakin in Ahsoka. Adjust the costume so he dooesn’t look like he has a gut and give him more to do and he’s perfect.
The beer belly was hilarious
Had he only continued that orbital bombardment for just a few minutes more, he would've kneecaped the Rebellion
He didn't want them just beaten though he wanted them broken so that no one else would rebel
Thrawn is a force that must never be reckon with. What makes him very feared is not just his cunningness but also his ruthlessness in war. Do not underestimate him!
Hes a guy that says
"Listen im here to do a job i dont give a shit about promotion im here to do what is asked"
the fact it ends with him hearing this. I wonder if he lost sleep over that. He must have accepted it as a possibility as all leaders must. you can't will yourself to win every battle esp when you have a grand picture for winning a war
Wise words, Grand Admiral. Wise words.
Thrawn has an outstanding voice actor!
I just realized the “arms in a cold embrace” is because of the purgil holding him and his fleet to take off
Rule number one if you're a protagonist: Be very wary of the antagonists with blue skin and red eyes. Cad Bane and Thrawn never fuck around.
Thrawn is the Agrippa to Palpatine’s Augustus.
Thrawn is literally every master strategist in history all encased in the body of a Chiss. Whenever he commanded the field, rebels never knew victory. It’s only because outside forces or inept subordinates that he didn’t train up that would cause any of his operations to falter
Regardless if it's his Canon or Legends Self, Thrawn is the one True heir to Galactic Empire.
Well
he got the Many Arms Thing correct
Although he looks more Intimidating in an Animated form
I hate the Empire, but if Thrawn hand picked me I wouldn't hesitate.
why does he look like handsome squidward
yup they basically had to ass pull to get rid of thrawn
Because Thrawn is actually a man more intelligent and competent than the entire team of heroes combined. With a character like him about, there is no logical way for the Rebels to win. They basically had to pull a "spiritual" victory.
@@Mediados the way i see it thrawn is a man more intelligent than the writers, up to this day i keep wondering why he sabotaged himself by putting admiral Constantine in the interdictor cruiser, the one ship that would prevent the rebels from escaping, this coming from a man that planned his meeting with the emperor from 'exile' from his own
@@MediadosSeeing that they did to him I'm rebels was embarrassing. He kept losing over and over and acting like he was winning.
@@KOFUNLOADEDbut unlike in Ahsoka where those setbacks gained him nothing, and then he moved the goalposts, in rebels, each minor setback gave him a piece of intelligence about the rebels, until he finally tracks down their base. (Battle of Atolon was a bit of letdown. Thrawn would never put Constantine on the interdictor, nor would he personally land to direct ground operations, he’d stay in space on the Chimaera directing things from there).
they could have made him so much better, in the books he's so much better
Definition of a ruthless Sigma.
2:09: Is one of the few times Thrawn's calm, collected mask is cracked for only an instant.
The glory line reminds me a lot of Darth Bane... While im not a fan of his portrayal entirely in rebels, he clearly did have some great moments. I wish Zahn wrote the Ahsoka show, Filoni absolutely butchered Thrawn in that. Zahn would've worked his magic like in the OG 3 novels and the new canon 6 novels.
"Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead."
-Darth Bane
Why do you think Filoni butchered Thrawn?
@bobwilson679 The first thing we see of thrawn is this cringe as fuck chant of his name by the troopers. Then we see the man himself, fat as fuck, not intimidating at all. At least they could have done the service of using his signature theme (one of, if not my favourite in star wars) but nah fuck that, instead we get some stupidly loud thing. Then we learn that Thrawn hasn't fucking found ezra after 10 years on the same planet, and with Ezra having been on the same fucking ship as thrawn when they came to Peridia. He has access to witches that can detect force users through space, and Imperial survey equipment like probe droids etc. That's just the first few minutes of his appearance
@@_PK777_ First of all, really? "Then we see the man himself, fat as fuck, not intimidating at all." MY GUY, THAT'S THE SAME DUDE. The guy who voices Thrawn here is the SAME GUY who plays him in Ahsoka. They chose to have the original voice actor play the role, rather than bringing in some buff dude who sounds nothing like him. I think that was absolutely the right move.
Secondly, why would Thrawn bother spending time and resources hunting Ezra? From a tactical perspective, what good would hunting down Ezra during his time in exile do? It would not further his goal to get home, and if he sent out squadrons of troopers, any individual squadrons that encountered Ezra would have been killed. Keep in mind he did not have unlimited stormtroopers and ships at his disposal, he only had what was on his Star Destroyer when he got exiled. Ezra did not pose a threat on his own, and as Ezra said, it would have been suicide for him to try to assault the temple alone, so Ezra would not have been able to stop his plan alone. Only when there were two more Jedi was Ezra then a credible threat, and even then Thrawn was smart enough to know he likely couldn’t kill them, only slow them down. Which he did. And he won, he got away and went home.
They did a good job of portraying Thrawn in Ahsoka, you are simply blinded by your hate and refuse to see it.
Nice 🔥🔥
The arms came
Belasarius of the Empire.
If only he had stayed because THEY are coming a destruction that thrawn fears and that should be something to scare you
I need someone to find me one time when he made a actually mistake and not a tactic one.
If you think about it, the story of Grand Admiral Thrawn comes down to one horrifying question: What if Erwin Rommel was a true believer in the Nazi Party?
But he was. At the start, before it became all too clear what they were REALLY all about.
"Jews? Who cares about Jews, don't these people know we are fighting a war?"
@@Grubnar I mean, there's very little indication that he ever actually was anything other than a true believer. The evidence that he was part of the July 20th conspiracy was essentially just that some members thought he might be willing to serve as defense minister in the new government. Contrast that with him being a friend of Hitler's, and the whole story of him being a figure opposed to nazism seems questionable.
Rommel was overrated as hell. Nowhere near as smart as Thrawn. People treat Rommel like he’s a Wellington, Napoleon, Alexander, or Caesar level military genius. He wasn’t.
@@konstantinosnikolakakis8125 Well, I hae to say I find this disappointing. Not so much the part about Rommel being overrated, as the part about his being friends with Hitler and more of a true believer than I thought he was. Which brings me back to Thrawn, and to the horror he represents. How can such a man turn a blind eye to the cruelty and craziness of the regime he serves so loyally and so well?
If tarkin didn't want prisoners
He would've wiped the lothal rebels out at atalon utterly
If not in space
Then through planetary bombardment
Wonder how Thrawn would fare against the reaper invasion from Mass Effect.
He was defeated by jedi trickery and space whales!They knew he couldn't be defeated by intellect because let us be honest Ezra and the rest of the rebellion's forces had not the military genius of thrawn.
Yeah thats why Ezra had this back up plan. He had to try something so insane and that thrawn couldn't have known to expect to win but it was something that Thrawn never understood. The Jedi's powers and Ezra's especially
@@lightdarksoul2097 Agreed. Thrawn also underestimated Ezra as a person. He saw him as merely an immature boy who would "flounder" without his master Kanan. Every comment Thrawn made about Ezra was condescending during season 4.
Yeah and he did seem to learn from that even acknologing Ezra as one who had outsmarted him in Ahsoka. Also even Ezra doubted himself after Kanan. @@JH24821
What’s the music?
And then I got fat and Dumb and we got the Ashoka Series😅
The least believable thing about Thrawn is why would he serve such an undeserving master like Sidious.
Its impressive to me how the worst animated Star Wars show could build up Thrawn so well and still end up wasting him at the end.
Thrawn would’ve won Yavin and Endor for the Empire
10 int 0 luck build
Thrawn is the best strategist. His weaknesses: cannot disobey his superiors and unforseen supernatural.
If only Thrawn were a better-written villain.
@@fsdf4311c I think he means in the Ashoka series.
I mean he kinda won in Ashoka no
@@Grubnarhe was though. His goal was never to kill Ahsoka and her friends. It was too escape with the cargo and The Great Mothers and most of his troops. He achieved all of those goals and ended up stranding Ahsoka, Sabine and Huyang in that galaxy at the same time. All he needed to do was stall them long enough to get the cargo on board and get back to his own galaxy. He did it. Sure there were tactical retreats but that was necessary and smart. Especially when Baylan Skoll just left his apprentice and his allies to fend for themselves when he was supposed to fight with them. But of course idiots like you wouldn't realize that.
@@movielover7565 OK, I´ll bite. Why am I an idiot?
suddenly he does
Ahsoka Series Thrawn is way different
But well, what did I expect since Rebles Thrawn is way different then the OG one, too
Feloni as a big SW fan my ass, he read the wookieepedia and thought to him self how his version would look like
We lost the Extended Universe for this?
How disappointing for Dave Filoni, that the animated version of Thrawn, is infinitely better than the live action version. Maybe he should've just left Thrawn in the more capable hands of the person who created the character in the first place.