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She-Hulk has been breaking the fourth wall ever since John Byrne's Sensational She-Hulk run from the late 80s and early 90s. But what does it mean to break the fourth wall, and what can we learn from ancient philosopher Plato's allegory of the cave? Let's find out!
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Hey, guys. Just to clarify, the point of this video was not to make a list of all the characters who have ever broken the fourth wall. That would be boring. So yes, I'm aware that there are plenty of others that I didn't mention. That was by design. I wanted to talk about She-Hulk. But the ideas in this video can be applied to your favorite fourth wall-breaking character without me needing to explicitly mention them in the video.
So with that said, who is *your* favorite character that has broken the fourth wall?
Animal Man
FragileCreatures I definitely love Animal Man!
I hear people talk about Animal Man a lot, but I don't know a thing about him. I hope Arris does a video on him or a one shot or something.
***** Squirrel-Girl and many of the Great Lakes Avengers used to break the forth wall at the start of some of the comics. i.imgur.com/jzW8LM4.jpg
***** since she understands she's a comic book character, wouldn't that make her immune to things like the Ultimate Nullifier much like characters who know their characters being immune to the anti life equation...the same way that Barry Allen is immune to it. while to my knowledge he doesn't openly break the fourth wall, he's physically broken it when he became the speed force.
just a thought. keep up the great work and...Make Mine Marvel!
She-hulk: I AM A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER
Director: This is a movie!
TrueBlue seen your sonic stuff man good stuff !
She's still a comic book charcter
@@janejohnson4946 If you ask me She Hulk could kick Deadpool's arse by picking him up, carrying off the set of the movie (or in this case show) get in a cab, travel to the writers office at Marvel studios, go inside and forcing Deadpool to ask the writer to change the script to benefit her like having a fashion montage and giving Deadpool the worst clothes to wear.
@@zanemurcha2675 umm ok?
@@zanemurcha2675 Deadpool killed the entire mcu went to other univers killer moby dick and a lot of other ppl than killed the writer of the show the
Man this got deep...THAT DEADPOOL TRAILER LOOKS PRETTY GREAT.
hey sexy
Hey, EVERYBODY it is that guy from the suicide squad trailer. You know the goat thing.
***** posts a video right now so I can be first comment and make a terrible joke.
Tell me about the ending of suicide squad, I know you're in it
We love you +Mr Sunday Movies
She-Hulk has always been one of my all time favorites, she even broke the fourth wall during the cartoon in the 90s.
***** She is seriously awesome! I read a bunch of her comics for this video, and it's some of my favorite stuff ever!
I initially got into She-Hulk because I stole one of my sister's comics. Then I bought the whole damn 60 issues on back issue, they were cheap back then and had no TPB. The Dan Slott 2000s run was great too.
@@KTF0 theif
But seriously great vid, love your work.
***** Thanks man! As you should (hopefully) know by now, I'm a big fan of your work as well. One of the only other comic book related channels I actually watch. Haha
Im just here
I like things too
Garbage
As a Literature student, I love the fact that you went as far as Plato's allegory of the cave.
finally, some love for she hulk. I actually used to read this one old comic at a local barbershop where she outright asked the artist to give her a little privacy, prompting the panel to split in two so she could take a shower.
I think it gave an appreciation for meta humor at an early age and also may have led to my love of strong, funny, and Badass female characters.
Love the comment. I learned to read from comics. Brought Cap to the barber shop and typically left them.
Awesome vault boy pic. Remember the rule of thumb.
Squirrel girl,she hulk ,& deadpool are the first that come to mind when it comes to marvel characters breaking the 4th wall
Peter David had Rick Jones do this in Hulk and Captain Marvel
DC's Ambush Bug is always the first one that comes to mind for me.
Spidey can break the 4th wall too
There isn't a Damm thing wrong with squirrel girl.
You forgot Howard the Duck.
Hey, this guy is pretty attractive, AND he makes interesting points about She-Hulk and philosophy. How is he still single?
This comment is probably a good example why.
haha Scott you are the best
***** I can help with the single thing! I mean, um... #NoHomo ?
***** Wait, what? ;-)
did you just break the 4th wall?
Holy crap you broke the 5th wall! The one where the character is on stage and leaves but comes back!
Who here wishes that She-Hulk needs to be introduced in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?!?!!
Xaviergray87 I DO I DO!!!
Huh...
She is now.
Now she will
You are about 4 years too early
What I'm upset about is that She hulk isn't known at all and that we don't have a movie about her yet
you explained this fourth wall very well, that was why She-Hulk should have gotting her Movie first
mytd
+Jose Bracero Deathstroke should have gotten his movie first.
I think now is the perfect time for us to have a She-hulk movie. Banner is god knows where, he might be hiding with her and that is her origin story. She is known to have a romance with Tony and he is extremely lonely now. It is a good excuse for a hulk movie with a couple avengers with it.
+Enkii Muto hulk aos movie
@@enkiimuto1041 Just as soon as we get that Black Widow Mo- pfffffttttttt
If you are into really old *Comic Misconceptions* episodes, here's one I should've linked to at the end of this video but totally forgot existed. It's about meta-references in comics! czcams.com/video/tCIlIaLqc4Y/video.html
***** i think using Deadpool in the title was a great way to make more people to see this video.
Your videos are on a different level of greatness
Ezequiel Acosta Imagine how many more clicks it would have had, had the thumbnail been a picture of she-hulk boobs.
***** Wow this shit is deep.
P.S whats your beef with deadpool?
Federico Lugo Thank you!
Uatu the Watcher breaks the 4th Wall and engages directly with the reader, but never expresses knowledge that he's a comic book character. I wonder if he knows.
***** Barely and I refuse to acknowledge that "comic" any more than I have to.
What if I'm a comic book character and don't know it!?
illumination
+Lego Smith *looks to the left making a surprised face*
Attack of the mutant
There is actually a few popular philosophies, based around the idea that we are just fictional characters, that don't realize we are fictional characters. Technically a philosophy that will never be proven or disproven, but a fun thought to play around with. Could explain why most people have a Protagonists Concept, basically they are the protagonist, in the story they exist in.
you wish
Howard the Duck. His new series is awesome and I love that Spider-Man's contact in his phone is "SpidermandrewGarfield"
Raging Froakie Haha, all the Spider-Man jokes in that series are fantastic!
yeah
I remember when Lobo could break the forth wall, i miss Lobo
Josh Fitton Lobo's the only DC character I liked.
***** Yeah but they changed him.
+GroinFaceGroin Deathstroke, Jonah Hex, Batman, Joker, Scarecrow.... seriously, none of these characters mean anything to you?
I really liked lobo too. I wasn't a big DC fan, but I won a DC graphic novel from a local radio station. I chose lobo and it was strange. He killed Superman and darksied in the same book.
Can't decide if the cave story is amazing or messed up...awesome video as always!
AHeroAlmost Probably both. Haha
Jen's the Queen of 4th Wall breaking. DP is the Bowie of it
Woah, fourth wall break in a fourth wall break!
-Deadpool 2016
Came for comics. Left with philosophy.
Daniel_Yankee That's probably our new slogan. haha
*left with existential crisis
@@soggycereal9563 you and me both dude 😂
Plz make that a slogan or gimmick edit kinda like sh e hulks gimmick is the lack of 4th wall
You and Comic Drake are my two favorite comic book youtubers. Keep up the good work!
UnitedFor DC Yay!
+NerdSync even tho both of you aren't really deadpool fans :/
Note the discontinued conversation.
UnitedFor DC We can't all be fans of everything.
Nah I understand. He's an immature character who doesn't really play a huge role in comics but you have to admit the trailer to his movie looks pretty legit
One of my fave 4th wall jokes is also from the Damage Control issue with She-Hulk. As She-Hulk and the baddie are fighting, they keep breaking the walls of the building they are in, and a Damage Control character is just standing there, counting. After breaking the last (and fourth) wall, the building collapses as the Damage Control character comments that he keeps telling them breaking the fourth wall causes everything to come crashing down, but no one ever listens. Thanks for this fun video!
Deadpool became popular because he add profanity and hyper violence to the breaking
Giovanni Gianluca Reina And immaturity as well.
Don't we all need a little immaturity in our lives?
Raging Froakie In small doses. Which is also the only way I can enjoy reading Deadpool.
Don't forget another green fourth wall breaker, Ambush Bug.
Oh and another fantastically informative video.
McCaffery Thanks!
And now in 2 months, we have Disney+'s She-Hulk.
She broke the 4th wall in the two trailers twice.
First was at the end when she turns towards the camera and says "you won't like me when I'm angry.
Second was in the release date announcement trailer when she says "and adult orphans for some reason" Possibly because Tatiana Maslany's starring role in Orphan Black.
I actually wanted to hear more about She Hulk breaking the 4th wall, but it is only ever mentioned in other vids. Nice job!
really great video scott, loved the fourth wall breaking you did, and thanks for keeping the topic light hearted and not giving me an existential crisis
my favorite "fourth wall" character is animal man/grant morrison.
Purpel Fais So good. SO GOOOOOD!
Plot twist: we are also a comic character.
That is why I love your videos you always open me up to new ideas that I never even think about. This is one of the many videos that blew my mind
Wish you found a She-Hulk image were she looked like a hipster... "I broke the 4th wall before it was cool."...
-Shawn
This reminds me of a french comic I once read: "Imbattable", who fights only by using comic book logic. It is beautiful
DC should make a comic where Batman starts to notice little things that aren't right and decides to investigate. When he does he figures out that he is just a comic book character and breaks the fourth wall. Thank you, I will be working on getting a job at DC.
Would love to see Deadpool and She-Hulk in a same comic
So glad I found your channel. I LOVE your enthusiasm and the academic way you break down comics. Loving the analogy with the allegory of the cave. AWESOMENESS!
Now that She-Hulk show is out, I believe there should be some new viewers seeking out answers on her fourth-wall break, maybe to defend Deadpool
Heh, I've seen people that say "She hulk isn't like in the comic books". when reffering to the 4th wall breakings...
DC's Ambush Bug is always the first comic book character that comes to mind to me when I hear the term "breaking the fourth wall". I learned in this video there is at least one, and possibly several others that broke the fourth wall way before Deadpool.
Thanks for the She-Hulk video! I loved that series back in the 90s specifically for the fourth-wall-breaking, and I'm glad she's getting at least a little attention today. Also, big congrats for working in Plato's Cave! Nicely done.
This might be your best episode Scott. Its well paced, summerizes really effectively, and is informative without feeling like an info dump. Well done Scott.
I want there to be a comic where She-Hulk and Deadpool have to fight, and the only way she can get away from one of his traps is jumping panels, cuz I don't think DP has thought of doing that. Or how weird would things have gotten if they ever dated in the comics.
TheRealSpiderMew
I actually think She Hulk and Gwen Pool would get together well. Don’t know about Deadpool, though.
We already had a Deadpool v She-Hulk fight, it ended in one page when she crushed his head
I wanna see a she-hulk movie now.
+FinalFantasyDeviants so do I.
I have been a fan and subscriber for quite some time (beginning with a different YT acct), and have always enjoyed your videos. This is the first time I have been compelled to comment. Thank you for making this video! It was so well done. I have long been a fan of meta and self-referential humor, breaking the 4th wall, etc., in comics, TV, and movies. However, I have never considered the connection to Plato's Cave. This was brilliant and so well explained. Job well done! And keep making great videos!
Byrne's She-Hulk has aways been great. I remember her breking the 4th Wall way before that was a thing! Thank you for mentioning her, Nerdsync. You won my subscription for the quality of your videos. Thank you
!
Great video Scott. I didn't know that about She Hulk's book and that's a fascinating comparison to Plato.
FragileCreatures Thanks! I had a lot of fun writing this episode. Glad to hear that you liked it!
You could have mentioned Ambush Bug, He is pretty much DC's Deadpool
Dr.G33k He is way better then Deadpool
Aidan Starbird I could have mentioned any number of people, but I really wanted to talk about She-Hulk since I think she breaks the fourth wall better than anybody else IMHO.
***** Oh, yeah I was not saying that you should have done a Ambush Bug video, I was just saying that I like Ambush Bug more then Deadpool. I love sensational She-Hulk, and I think that this was one of you're best videos.
Aidan Starbird Thank you! I'm very happy with how it turned out. Glad to hear that you like it too!
Aidan Starbird Uh no
I love the way you understand comics and the way you share your knowledge. Awesome work.
I was at India Grill (Arlington, TX) earlier this week for lunch with my darling wife. It was SO GOOD! At one point I turned to an empty booth and started talking to it about how good the food was.
Mrs. Tex asked, "What are you doing?"
"I'm breaking the fourth wall."
"Well, stop it!"
If you think about it ... they say there are an infinite number of alternate universes. In one of those they're bound to have developed the technology to view into other universes and watch them like TV shows. Right now someone from another universe might be watching you as entertainment. I say break that fourth wall and let them know you're on to them.
I love she hulk..... still waiting for her movie or netflix show
You're still here? It's Over. Go Home. Go.
Shut up Ferris
Love your videos good work and keep them coming.... I personally am a deadpool fan and have been for about 10 or so years.
Another brilliant philosophical analysis!... WOW. (I never knew that about She Hulk, since I hadn't gotten into many spin-offs of original classic comics). Flipping magnificent!
I don't care who did it first, She-Hulk's was always funnier to me. Deadpool always came across as being annoying to me.
This video is about to get so much foot traffic is insane
Wow. that's deep. I'm impressed that you have a profound understanding of such diverse topics and able to correlate them in such a clear insightful way. I'd wager that you know far more than you let on.
Great video! good job, Scott.
Didn't She-Hulk's awareness of being a comic book character expand quite a bit when she was exposed to the insanity inducing villain Madcap? I always took this as the reason why she knew she was a comic book character. Madcap left her "insane" so she think's she in a comic.
anyone here after watching the new trailer of she hulk series ?
❤️so well done xoxo I love the way you put it, and I've wondered myself why no one talks about others and the 4wall of awareness
That was a thorough, well explained vid about the 4th wall .... you deserve a kudos Scott ... another LEVEL up for mi comic knowledge
I like to imagine that She-Hulk still can break the fourth wall, she's just become a talented actor and has started to enjoy playing along.
***** Headcanon accepted!
They sorta retconned her fourth wall awareness in a more recent series, while also maybe not. The CCA was revealed to be an in-universe comic book publisher basically serving as newspapers/tabloids for adventures of super heros in their own world. All the fourth wall breaking was added in for dramatic effect or entertainment, by the in-universe "reporters". Maybe.
Joshua Pearce Yeah, I read that while doing research. It's an interesting premise, but I also miss those meta moments.
Well, it let them add some new more subtle flavors of meta. I don't want to give spoilers though.
Damn..this has been one of my favorite videos thus far, good job! :) I look forward to all of these videos, very interesting
I found you on youtube towards the end of the school year and I would look forward to watching your videos and I turned all my friends to superheroes by telling them all the info I learned from you.
What if all of us are living in a comic book? And what if that "crazy" homeless guy talking to himself isn't really crazy? What if he's not talking to himself? What if he's breaking the fourth wall and we don't know it so we just think he's crazy?
we live in a boring comic
+awesomon no, its just we aren't the main character thats why.
Pingas Pearce background characters still experience crazy sh*t, cities get blown up on a regular basis
awesomon maybe it's a family drama Comic,and we're background characters. Explain a lot. Or a comedy Comic.
Maybe in the She-Hulk movie (if there is one), she can read "The Allegory Of The Cave" before turning into She-Hulk.
Another great video Scott! Keep it up!
Loved this video! Thanks Scott!
Ian McNear Thanks, Ian! It's one of my favorite ones I've ever done.
I always liked people who know there in a comic book.
Cool. Now I wanna read some She-Hulk.
Chandasouk Yes! You absolutely should!
This is one of my favorite videos you've done ^_^
Extremely well done, sir!
wholy moly. another good video scott
Cosmic Nerd Studios Thank you! :)
JOHN BYRNE IS VERY UNDERRATED I LOVE HIS WORK IN SUPERMAN
XAVIERCUERVO He has some great comic runs!
***** why dont you elaborate on that!
do a video about underrated comicbook creators , only writers who illustrate their own work like John Byrne , Wally Wood, Steve Ditko ,,geniuses all of them with a lot of demons
Daaaaaaaamn! I love when your explanations are connected to other things like Plato's philosophy.
I'm really enjoying your show so far!
YES. Excellent vid. Thanks for keeping this channel going!
Tranz Anatomie Thanks for continuing to watch and share our videos!
it's good you didn't talk about Deadpool I had no idea there were other comics that broke the fourth wall
Nathan Suarez And now you know the glory of She-Hulk!
Why no Ambush Bug?
Or Mister Mxyzptlk?
Or Batmite?
Or Superboy Prime?
Chad W Smith Because I wanted to talk about She-Hulk. I'm not saying that she and Deadpool are the only ones who have ever broken the fourth wall, I just really love She-Hulk and wanted an excuse to talk about her.
Chad W Smith I agree tey should have been mentioned. Harley Quinn could have been mentioned because her solo book in the New 52.
Also they did make Animalman Buddy Baker become aware he was a comicbook character.
NintendoFan17 The point of the video was not to list every character who has ever broken the fourth wall. That would be boring. Haha
***** Okay. Great video by the way.
NintendoFan17 Thanks!
That bit where She-Hulk rips through the page and she and the others escape across the adverts is my favourite of her 4th Wall breaks and was the one I thought of when you first started discussing She-Hulk.
Great episode. informative as usual. This is becoming my favorite comic book channel. Well one of any way. Keep up the good work.
leon thomas Thank you very much! I know there are many comic book channels out there to choose from, so I'd like to extend a genuine thanks for flying NerdSync this morning.
Does she still break the 4th wall today?
It's Over 9000 Productions in a comic they said she destroyed the fourth wall and escaped
In her recent comics, recent enough to have the Civil War arc, she hints at it because in that universe Marvel comics exist as chronicles of the acts of the heroes and someone actually asked if she can break the fourth wall still and she winks at us.
I would LOVE to see she-hulk and deadpool dating
Great video Scott.. one of your bests.. is awsome when you support your point academically... did a great job explaining Plato.. right up there with Batman not remembering the death of his parent but creating a memory every time.. kudos
Javier L. Salas Thanks, man! I really appreciate the kind words!
This was really well done, good job Scott!
Jono Neita Thank you so much! :)
Lol who else noticed scott broke the fourth wall at 01:28
I did!
How?
Pepe! At The Disco If you have notifications on at 01:27 and 28 on the top left corner it says "Hello, audience" and if you click it, it says "Admit it, That was clever".
Also, it only works if you have notifications on.
EminemSlimShade The was cool. Thanks for letting us know.
Now I'm freaking out thinking that we all are still trapped in the cave only looking at shadows
Ethan Dannen You're welcome?
This was awesome!
Excellent video. Love the use of the allegory. You sir, are a comic scholar.
But who was the FIRST comic character to routinely break the 4th wall?
And did it actually start with comics?
I'm not an expert, but I think a couple of Shakespeare's scripts made comments about being characters in a play once or twice, didn't they?
I'll go on record for saying that I'm glad you didn't talk about Deadpool. Not my favourite character by a long shot.
veggiet2009 I'm glad I'm not alone. Haha
I agree
This is an insane coincedence. I've never seen this video till now which is literally the first thing I watched after this week's episode of legion. This weeks episode of legion had a part that showed Plato's cave shadows allegory! It's almost creepy how I stumbled on this immediately after.
awesome video dude. love the Pluto story reference, made things alot more clear and interesting
...Peace!
You look like you were about to sneeze when the video cut off.
woozer I was just going to say "See ya!" but there was some kind of mistake in the editing. I didn't feel like re-exporting and re-uploading all over again for 1 extra second, so I just left it off. #Lazy
This is the one. I don't know why but after watching several of your videos, this is the one that made me subscribe.
This was a good episode, you really stepped your game up keep it up
Didn't Spider-Man do it in the TV show Ultimate Spider-Man
Yep
he does all the time
Yeah the Dead Pool episode was awesome
I love the whole alagori in the cave thing it was interesting. How do you fond that stuff in like one week?
this might be one of your best videos great job! liked your thoughts.
Allegory of the cave... This is answer to a sertain question: "Why people think I'm crazy?" ^^
Also: There is great moment in the "Deadpool kills Marvel Universe" when Prof. X reads Deadpool mind, and die in the proces :3
She-hulk the hipster fourth wall breaking