2023 BMW M4 CSL Review // An Insane $140,000 Sports Car
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2022
- The 2023 BMW M4 CSL ($166,500 starting in Canada, $140,895 starting in the US) is both exclusive and expensive - meaning expectations are high. Limited to only 1000 units, and with a price tag that lands you in some pretty serious waters among competitors, this ultra-lightweight, beefed-up, track-focused M4 aims to stand out from the crowd and honour the legendary CSL nameplate.
It has 40 more horsepower and weighs 239 lb less than the current generation M4 Competition. It also has a stiffer chassis and no rear seats for extra weight savings. But does it live up to its mighty price tag? Thomas and James determine if this is a true CSL and one of the BMW greats or simply an overpriced sports sedan with a flashy persona. We hope you enjoy the episode. Thanks for watching! SUBSCRIBE!
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For that price tag ,this car is going to be garage queen for most of the rich buyers
This ugly thing ain't no queen, it's a medieval peasant's wife.
Or for the snobby wannabe bmw “enthusiasts”
Like all fancy cars. Someone has to buy them.
@@SIat what makes a person a real bmw enthusiast?
@@carterg1847 I’m not saying they’re a fake bmw enthusiast. I’m speaking more along the lines of the self righteous bmw people who think their cars are a special edition Ferrari when it’s nothing close to that
I love how James is progressively becoming a better driver
Is he bad at it?
@@rayhan4502 Huh?
What makes you think he was ever a bad driver wtf?
@@lvloneymaker24 that doesnt mean he's bad. He can still be better, even Verstappen can have room to get better
@@lvloneymaker24 who said that
I really appreciate the color correction, and how true-to-life the colors are, big applause to the editors, cameramen, and of course James and Thomas (cuz without the cast, there is no show)
Many thanks, to the editor(s) for the Metric to Imperial conversions. Great job by the whole team. Very entertaining, informative, and all-around great video, as usual.
When thomas Said ”it’s drivnin’ time” i just fell to my knees and started sobbing, truly a national treasure level of video only fit for gods
Fell to your knees, did you?
He also drove all over the place
I loved the part when he said
Truly one of the drives of all time
Wtf!! Calm down lmao it’s just a car
James’s drift at 5:42 oh my GOD. Love to see his progression on the track.
His progress is so rapid.
@@RepentandbelieveinJesusChristshut up
The production value of Throttle House videos is just insanely good. Congrats to the videographer & editor, you are total pros.
Your reviews are awesome guys! I love the fact you're Canadian and from Ontario too. Keep up the great job!
"Is it stunning? I am stunned by it" that got me 😂
I am stunned too.
I’ll have to pass on looks alone sadly.
I’m stunned they haven’t fixed the weight and front end 😅
am I stupid or is the csl with 1.08.64 slower than the zr1 with 1.08.59? Because I think they mixed up the leaderboard at 14:37
I was about to comment this lol. It needs to be #5, below the Zr1.😬
@@Christian.90 yeah they did 😂
The editor Screwed up
Yeah that's our bad. None of us noticed in the final edit. All the times are correct though!
Carson…?
one of the best car review content on youtube hands down.... appreciate you guys
It was cool seeing you laugh w/joy as you went around the track. Great stuff!
You know CSL is a serious deal because TH didn't even put a dramatic intro for this episode! 😷💪
Instead they snuck in the Harrison bit , like Casino Royale and the bathroom gunbarrel.
They normally don’t with the track series.
This review nails most people’s thoughts - the M4 CSL is just not special enough. Limited in production numbers doesn’t make it more special, it just makes it rarer and appeals to the people that look at cars as investments. It’s like playing Pokémon red/blue and finding a wild Porygon - rare, but no one wants one to fight with. My money easily goes to a used R8, or saving a bit more for a new winged 992 GT3 which is what I’ve opted for as a G80 M3 owner. Amazing video as usual!
Problem is actually buying a 992 gt3 or a gt4 rs ... you wont find one for less than $250k on the used market. This kinda feels like the m4 gts and that car still only sells for around MSRP.
R8 is no good car.
Funny I just made a pokemon-related comment regarding their intro. James needs a Weezing.
im sure you get the old vs new the v10 vs the 6 and not much difference... you should nt pay more to get a compromise ...
I agree to an extent. You have to think about who its marketed for the M4 GTS was did do well because it honestly wasn't that far from an M4C all they did was give it a wing and added distilled water to pump the power which a simple flash would do to a normal M4C. M4 CSL however has a weight advantage and its for the track. Lastly how many people even track their track cars? Not many so just like you said the people who buy this will probably buy em and store em.
Great video as always. Props to the whole team
Another brilliant review. Lerv your work Boyz. 2 Thumbs up
Nothing better than a new Throttle House video in the morning
Yep. And also a TH video in late night.
Facts 💯
Those CSL taillights and hood are going to be very desirable to G82 M4 owners
Was just wondering if i can get hold of a set…bet they are silly money
There are G82 M4 owners?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma surprisingly yes there’s a couple out there I’d personally go with a G80 M3 🤷🏽♂️😂
@@leolopez626 I live in Germany and since the new M3/M4 came out I've seen like a handful of them, definitely less than 6 overall.
@@leolopez626 The G80 is definitely the lesser evil though, the rear is rather nice, but that front...
I guess you could cover it in tape to hide it
Best Car reviewers on CZcams, and it’s not even close. Love you guys!
I’ve seen this review a few times now. You guys are the best reviewers. Luv from the UK (London)
Kudos to BMW for still making cars like the M4 CSL
Z4 GT3 and R8 LMS GT3: R WE A JOKE FOR YOU?
@@purwantiallan5089 11 year old cars
@@purwantiallan5089 *Yes.*
Still making ugly grills
@@mikek545 grill is beautiful
At $140k I would say there’s alternatives that look far better. This is touching super car territory for what’s essentially a souped up sedan.
Unless you just want a sedan this is in C8 Z06 territory. That price is bonkers.
I would honestly take a Gt500 carbon fiber track pack over this and save money.🤷🏻♂️
well its reasonably priced , its a little less expensive than a amg gtr and a little slower, and its even less expemnsive than 911 gt3 and a little more slower, but obviously if price is the only thing u look at than u can buy the cheap alternatives like z06 which is ;likely faster than all of these but manufactured at a lesser quality
For that money I want it to look like 140k not some kind of Korean import with aftermarket exterior mods.
Down payment on a house lol
In Australia, the price is said to be $303,900 AUD. That equates to approx. $193,000 USD.(before on the road costs).
i’m new to your channel and i really gotta say THANK YOU SO MUCH for making great content. Ever since the OG top gear UK ended, and now that grand tour only does specials, this channel has been filling that void that TG left, that the current Top Gear US and UK just can’t really fill. you guys are awesome!! keep it up!
Make sure to check out Jason Cammisa over on Hagerty - he's like an American version of Clarkson.
Awesome as usual guys. Would love to see all the cars you review do launches from a dig! An outside perspective. Keep up the good work!
This channel had to grow on me. I've been so biased towards the old Top Gear that it's hard to accept new personalities but these guys won me over. Subbed
Me too man. Me too grew up on Throttle House.
Same. 100%
Ur flexing that ur not v smart
yeah imagine them in the future all potbellied and with sandpaper skin like C H & M lol.
Either you like cars or you don't
I would definitely go for the m5 cs over this cause the m5 cs isn’t that much slower around a track but is so much more practical and would be a better car for me cause i would want to daily drive it. The m5 cs also looks a lot better.
You know, if you want practicality, it’s BMW M5/M5 Competition. Much better car overall for less money. And much more comfort.
I believe there is a huge issue with that V8 engine, obviously there are no official reports, so I may be wrong. But I have heard about multiple S63 engine failure. I did not buy M5C simply of the S63, even though the performance must be amazing the fear of the engine dying on me is too much for me :D
M5 CS only TWO second slower with 4 doors full weight and rear seats. Now thats impressive.
That slide at 5:40 was amazing!
He nailed it.
I love everything about y’all’s videos. Perfection.
All the way from South Africa, I love watching you guys, keep it up❤️
I have always absolutely loved the beaver grille.
I just love the stuff you guys do, keep up the good work! Btw that color looks so sick.
The color looked too bold in fact.
It's undercoat.
The speed gauge animation after the intro's sealed it for me.
Those clips aren’t him driving😂
@@gurupitka7705 yeah and this comment of yours isn't a human typing, its a dog
I really, really want to see how the new C8 Z06 compares in terms of lap time. Can't wait for that episode.
Lmao the C8 Z06 is lower to the ground than the M4 CSL, lighter, better aero, also C8 looks a million times better than a big 3700 pound car. Thats why Thatdudeinblue said he will NEVER compare a Corvette to a Mustang. Not even the same weight class. A M4 has no business trying to compete on a track with cars that weigh less than 3500lbs. I imagine a C6 Z06 with todays modern tires will corner better than a new M4😂
@@GrimReaper1675 as an owner of a C6 Z06 with PS4 S tires on it, you might be right.
What I can say is the C6 z06 is VERRRRRY twitchy when getting aggressive through corners with t/c and s/c off. Even with the modern tires, it almost needs to break traction to feel safe. It might corner as well, but I’m sure the M4 is more confidence inspiring.
@@GrimReaper1675 Lol I get what youre saying, but the new Z06 ALSO weighs 3700 LBS. So not any lighter than the M4.
@@GrimReaper1675 new z06 weighs about the same as this car. The lightest spec that Caranddriver tested of new z06 weighed 3666 pounds, about the same as this car.
C8Z will walk the CSL on a track. 345s on the back of that Z.
Great review guys! (Which I don't say too often!) 👏
you guys are wonderful, I love your guys videos.
Wait, it should be slower than the Corvette ZR1 at a 1:08.59 right? Leaderboard shows it faster than that
Yep we got it backwards nice catch!
@@ThrottleHouse hi throttle House. Please review Setsuna Yuki's Audi R18 TDI (Audi Team Joest) 2011 next! Please? From Purwanti Allan.
@@ThrottleHouse the diehard lovelive fan.
Well this extended my normal morning work bathroom break by about fifteen minutes.
I've owned three BMW 4-series, so far, and there's no way I'd pay almost $150k for another one. For that money I'd buy a new Corvette AND a Cybertruck - that covers utility, style and performance. Nothing against people who are willing to pay this, but man, again, I've owned three 4-series, and the entire lure of them was that you got an awesome looking and performing car for like $10k more than a Mustang GT or a Camaro SS. When you're talking like $80-90k more, that's pretty insane. But hey, it's not my money, so spend it however you want, I'll still love seeing these on the road.
This is the best car channel on CZcams. The cinematography, the way they capture the emotion of a car, beyond grateful I get to watch these videos for free.
Was watching this thing do 1/4 miles and its acceleration throughout is insane.
Great video as always!! This new M3/M4 will never grown on me...I still believe that the E92 and E30 are the ones to love
This is my new favorite car chan! You guys are awesome
Haha how james was carried in and resisting 😆😆😆😆. Every video is so well written and executed
Best review of this model! Thanks you gents! I bought the CSL as well as the M5CS. Epic cars!
Congrats brother!
@@shivvashishthabhargava4600 thank you! I am very blessed indeed.
Dayum. You smashed it. Securing one of them is tough enough.
Congrats man!
The camera crew and editors really like to shine 3:36 I just love this moment
Love the honest reviews.
Excellent review
Great video as usual!
You should do a review on the gt500 with a track pack so we can see how quick it is compared to the other cars you have done lap times on!
As a Viper fan it makes me sad that you forgot about it as the only other 1:07 car.
What is a Viper?
@@xxxxxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx an animal that eats corvettes and mustangs
@@ZackNakazora1 Or something that usually ends up in a ditch or a guardrail 😂. Jk love them too specially ACR.
That's seriously impressive, considering the Viper has been discontinued since 2017.
As a mustang owner, Vipers are some of the sexiest cars out there
I still can't get over how the front grill looks but the rest of the car looks good
Awesome video yet again, guys! I was wondering why you haven't done a McLaren yet? I'd love to see your take on one of those!
The performance is definitely there on this one and that's probably the best I have ever heard the modern turbocharged BMW inline 6 sound from the factory. I wish my M340i sounded as good. Too bad about that price tag though!
The M4 CSL for me it maybe cool but still pales in comparison to Corvette C7 Stingray.
@@purwantiallan5089 is that why its better in every measure (other than maybe looks)?
@@smar1208 a corvette would destroy this on a real track that’s over 2 miles long. This track is too small for the viper and corvette
get an MPPSK kit, intake, and downpipe. The B58 sounds better than the S58 because the S58 has two turbos instead of just one like the B58.
@@dempseydulaney1 or the f82 with MPE or and M4 GTS (which essentially has an MPE) probably beats the CSL by miles due to modern regulations.
Am I the only one that thinks the M4 looks incredible?
Yes. You are a wierdo
2008 BMW 335i. N54 engine. Total investment including purchase and mods 22k USD. O-60 all day in 4 seconds. Best time 3.425 seconds. Beat that performance for the money. M sport suspension also. Handles so well.
I actually love the looks of the M4. It’s the only one I like the kidney grill on. The 2017-22 M2 is my fave modern BMW though.
“It’s sooooo stiff!- and I don’t mean the suspension” 😮……”I mean the chassis” 😅 lol
Great review of this beast
great breakdown James
“Brake bias set frontward”
That’s what happens when you fit a car with 6 piston fronts and single piston rears lol
I would love for you guys to do a video on the cars that you own and have owned. Love your content- Keep them coming.
Hope those are never gonna end.
They actually did one during covid!
@@jeremypayeur5985 okay i didnt know that- thanks for letting me know..
It's on Extra Throttle House if you haven't found it yet :)
@@Thisath100 okay thanks for the heads-up 😃.
When Thomas and James were talking after the laps the car very much reminded me of the Mustang Mach 1
Oky these guys are fun. I was in denial but yeah just subscribed
Man i love throttle house, i love BMW and the two of them together is just magic ✨️
Me too love TH the same way i love LoveLive and Top Gear.
Except you can't possibly get one for $140k. There was one on the floor when I picked up my 340 this past weekend, and they wanted $50k over list. The sales guys were laughing about people calling and offering $20-25k over list.
Tbf, they're Canadian so they get everything for MSRP
Those same sales guys the one crying the blue when they can't make ends meet too
@@helmetculture Any of them would be happy to make the deal but the boss set the price...
I was just offered one locally for $5k over which I didn’t take. The value will drop just like the GTS did when used.
That was quite the vociferous JAMES today...and I like it.
Tom, please do a video on the extra channel explaining your thoughts on steering feel, and what do you mean exactly when you say it's good or numb
Seeing this car it kinda reminds me off the Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm version. Would be amazing to see a drag race with both cars and see how well they stack up to each other on a track test
Thinking the same thing! The ALFA is way way way nicer looking too.
Thats exactly the car it should be compared to. Throw the Jaguar Project 8, even the CLK63 AMG Black Series into it. And leave price out of it. Its just a specific type of car.
@@ScullyD-ee9jk agreed. These cars are not just about how fast you can go (and they are fast), but how they make you feel. Why else would one buy a super expensive sports saloon? It's the city / daily driving, NOT the track.
@@vincefava7929 and way more expensive lol
Car wow 😉
Nothing like the M4! The M4CSL and M5CS are pure savagery!
M1 Procar and Z4 GT3 2011: ARE WE A JOKE FOR YOU?!
The M4 has become a joke.
No wonder I don't see any new ones here while everyone and their mother buys C63s
@@irinapetrovich7057 no one's mom is buying a c63s, you probably are mistaken with c300s. M340i has have insane sales
I want them both... one day.
You meant, nothing like the ugly front grill of the M4, right? Lol! That sedan is fat, ugly, and overpriced!
I LOL'd at the price. Not only is that insane but every other car you listed is not only extremely competent but also better looking and sounds much, MUCH better.
But hey at least those seats don't look like they have a hearing feature you need a subscription to use on top of the $170K
My favorite car I had is still e46 M3 CSL. That sound air going in was really special for CSL. Wish I can get this also.
How’d you get a e46 m3 csl ?
Great edit! Gear question: What mount, camera and lens are used @24:00? The way the lights shifts across the front of the car is beautiful.
I would like to see what a G80 CompXD would do around the track.... For comparative purposes, to see where it stacks up... I absolutely love my G80CXD, it goes from Housewife to Stripper with a push of a button. One minute I can have my two kiddos comfortably in the backseats and a load of groceries in its spacious trunk, and the next minute Im gapping C8 Vettes when I go back to the grocery store alone because I likely forgot something on the list... The G80CXD is the greatest practical sports car, perhaps ever, and for what you receive, I still think its High Value, even if you are unlucky and have to pay a massive markup. The potential of the S58 is just mind blowing. With just a few basic upgrades(Intake, Downpipes, Exhaust, & Tuning Module), you have 680WHP in the arsenal waiting for an opportunity to gap whatever pulls up beside you as they likely underestimate your saloon..
This is my first BMW, and the quality & versatility of the car has definitely made me a massive fan of the brand. I could not be happier that I got lucky and upgraded to a G80 from a G42, after a rich kid knocked up his GF and his parents forced him to forfeit his perfectly optioned G80CXD to marry her. I didnt have to wait a year, and I didnt have to pay a markup, but knowing what I do, I would gladly do so for the opportunity to own one. Living in the NE, Im partial to AWD, and while it may be a bit heavier, I think that is something you can easily mitigate if you are really wanting to push the car to its limits.
Great review! Fun watching you slide a car around and talk about the non-adjustable race buckets. Cool car but for the money it's neither an amazing track car (compared to others in its price range) nor an amazing road car but it is quite rare. IMHO I'd rather focus my cash on a 'pedestrian' M4 C if I needed to stay in BMW or go to a Porsche GT4RS or even a used GT3RS (more money).
Nice vid 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video as always gentleman. can't wait to see ZO6 on track!!! is that happening soon?
Yep. Maybe January 2023.
I have to say that the front looks better with the sportier appearance. It just looks more apropriate on the car this way. This is definitely my favourite of the M3/M4 family.
Yeah it actually looks really good now. Its very different, but good in its own way.
Future vidéo M4 CSL vs M4 GTS😈
Keep on the good work 👍
You guys look so happy and I see why
It's slower than the c7 zr1, But you guys put it faster on the list. Check that out to make sure I'm right. Of course I still love your videos and I give a thumbs up soon as i click on a video because I already know that it's going to be good.
Honestly one of your best reviews and that's saying a lot.
The BMW M4 CSL is a car to buy and no more shortlist.
This is Top Gear levels of production. Good job!
Love this car and love this review! ❤. But I have a serious question for you guys. So I see you review all these badazz cars and even a masterpiece such as this you have gripes, ie steering a little numb or could use more rear brakes. So please tell me, what are your 3(or if theres only one) cars that are pretty much perfect as a track focused car out of the box. Accel, power, steering feel, braking, etc. what car/s has it ALL???
When you said the M5, I would always probably go for a 5 series lower power trim than you would. But man I've been in love with the 5 series for decades.. Good call!
I’d love to see an ancestor, like a modded 2008 M5 or 535, against this.
I really like the color bmw m4 csl already 😎👍
U guys r awesome.... plz Review Toyota Century SUV Convertible!!!
"I've been looking forward to this." - Count Dooku
So I could spend 140 grand to get a 3650lb pig that has a stripped interior and carbon fiber seats that have little to no padding in order to go slower than a $65,000 C8 Corvette that has heated and cooled seats and a 14 speaker thousand watt surround system while somehow still being lighter than the CSL.
Just wanted to Point out that the M4 csl should be on the number 5 spot as the ZR1 time is faster. And I was also expecting a surprise race between the csl vs the Alfa GTAm also on the track.❤😪
This
The point made on the rear brakes, they're just pity looking visually, in a car like this... I so agree! And that's the passion and attention to detail I love about these guys!
The best Canadian Duo. Actually... The Best Duo Period ❤️
Thomas: is this car stunning? James replies: I'm stunned by it"! Best line in the whole video! 🤣😂😅🤣
Yep. Even Karin Asaka also said "I am stunned by it".
@@purwantiallan5089 😆
I have Black CSL on order and am Still waiting for mine to be built. I already have a 22 M3 Comp X drive so i can live with that on the daily. The CSL will be for Cota, Live 10 mins away from it. I agree though the price is hard to swallow especially when like you said in the review that you don't get a Cage. I'm still excited to drive it when it comes in though regardless!
Can you please do the e53 AMG? I just bought one from 2019 and really want to know your thoughts (new or old). Thanks!
Love the grille.
I have no problem with the way it looks. In fact, I love the grill... other details are a little less popular with me, but not the grill. I'd give my eye teeth to drive this thing... you guys are spoiled. ;)
Nice review, as always.
Me too I like the way it looks as a whole.
I'm surprised for the price they didn't add carbon fiber Wheels.
Get the 2018 m3 cs around the track... I am curious if it hangs with the m2cs
I love the ECO WIND MILLS and then the Feature Attraction here Gas Guzzling
The awful exterior and overall lack of "specialness" really puzzle me. I can't see anyone preferring this over a 911 Carrera S let alone C8 Z06. A Mustang Mach 1 also is not only visually more appealing and a great track tool as well, it also has the beautiful V8 noise to accompany the drive. Did I mention that the 718 GT4 resides in that price range too? A track focused, mid engine, naturally aspirated Porsche????
well its faster than a carrera s , and a mach 1 or gt500 around the ring, and i dont think anyone looking for a european sportscar would would ever consider z06 even though its pretty good.The gt4rs is best value for money , its faster than alot of more expensive cars but then again comparing cars based on their prices is stupid
I can’t either. I felt the same way about the M4 GTS and that looked a lot better than this. Looking at this car actually makes me nauseous.
@@andrewb325 The M4 GTS was peak M4 in every way. Looks, Performance and handling. Sadly it wasn't necessarily the best road car xD
@@nappy5853 And? It's faster than these cars driven by a professional driver. Most people that buy such cars are far away from being professional drivers. The Carrera S is much more prestigious, people will ask what you drive and when you say a 911 they're like "Oh, very nice car. How much did it cost? 120K? Decent price".
When you tell them you bought this they'll say "A BMW? For 140K? Is it the M8? No? M4? For that money!? At least it has to look goo...oh my God..."
The Mach 1 is much more special, especially here in Europe. It looks gorgeous, has the nice V8 and handles like you wouldn't expect. The 718 GT4 openly competes with the M4 CS as a track car of similar price range of a german manufacturer. So it absolutely makes sense to compare them. And in that comparison the brand new M4 CS can't compete with the GT4 RS which is a bit older too. As for the Z06, people will look at the Corvette being much more desirable than any BMW, especially here in Europe where Corvettes are legendary and rare cars anyway. Not to mention with such an engine
@@DefinitelyNotEmma the performance of a car is very important when u r buying a performance car , more so than what it looks like or what other people think about it. i do not consider people who buy cars for social status or as investments as enthusiasts not to gatekeep but i think you are misunderstanding the reason why enthusiasts by sports car. You are coming off a bit ill informed on this subject and a little bit delusional
.Frankly you dont know what you are talking about