David Bowie- Song for Bob Dylan (REACTION//DISCUSSION)
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Mick Ronson would later go on to tour with Dylan in 75/76
“The one thing that saved Mick at this point was Dylan,” Mick Ronson’s wife, Suzi, recalls
Ronson had started hanging out in Greenwich Village, making friends with a lot of the local musicians - Rob Stoner, T-Bone Burnett, David Mansfield, Bobby Neuwirth, Steve Soles - who Dylan would recruit for his bicentennial tour. One night, Mick was down at the Other End when he bumped into Neuwirth, who invited him for a drink.
“He was with this guy,” Ronson remembers. “And I looked at this bloke he was with and thought, ‘Wait I minute, I know you.’ And, of course, it was Dylan. And we talked, and he said, ‘We’re going on the road, why don’t you come with us?’ I just said, ‘Yeah.’ I honestly thought it was a joke. I didn’t think I’d hear any more. Then Dylan phoned me, said the tour was going to happen. This was a Friday. He said rehearsals were going to start on Sunday and would I be there? I thought it were a fooking hoax. I really didn’t think he was serious.”
On the first long day of rehearsals, according to a shocked Ronson, Dylan ran the band through 150 songs. The next day, they ran through another 100.
“I were fookin’ gobsmacked,” Ronson laughs. “I’d never heard half of these numbers. And at first, I was completely baffled by them all. Really baffled and confused. Everyone else was already familiar with these songs and with each other and the way they played. I had a real problem fitting in, and I kept thinking I was terrible. I wasn’t comfortable at all. But Dylan, Neuwirth, Stoner, T-Bone. They were all wonderful, really took a bit of time with me. And as we went on, I really grew into the music.”
Most of the time, Neuwirth and Stoner ran the rehearsals. So what was Dylan doing?
“He was just. . .there,” Mick says. “He’d play what he wanted to play. He’d come in and do his numbers. He did what he had to do and he did it well and quickly. He maybe wouldn’t get too involved otherwise. I mean, he wasn’t pulling any big star trip. He doesn’t have to. He doesn’t have to say anything. With Bob, you just know. If there was something he was looking for in a song, you’d try to find it without being told. And that’s the thing about Dylan. I’d follow him anywhere, no questions asked. That whole tour was this huge, huge adventure. A real treasure hunt. There was Joan Baez. McGuinn. Ginsberg - he’s a grand lad, is Allen. There was Dylan. And there I was, too. For a lad from Yorkshire like meself, it were truly out of this world.”
As taken as you are with Wakeman's piano on this album, maybe you should tackle Aladdin Sane (and Mike Garson) next. Talk about contrasting styles! Especially the title cut and my personal all-time favorite Bowie song, "Lady Grinning Soul."
Saw Garson a few years back on tour with other Bowie alumni. He's great, as was the show.
Rick Wakeman is genius and very nice man also. The very same evening Wakeman said "yes" to joining the band Yes, Bowie asked him to join "Spiders From Mars" to record "Ziggy" and for touring, but he had already said yes to Yes. They wanted to have a pianist for Ziggy tour in US, so they picked up out of the blue pianist named Mike Garson, who also played in Bowie's next album "Aladdin Sane". Garson told, that before joining Bowie's band he was unknown, starving musician, but after the release of "Aladdin Sane" The Melody Maker valued him as "the third best pianist in the world". (Goes to show how short the road from invisibility to the big reputation can be). Ever since from that time Bowie's band members have changed, but Mike Garson has more or less always kind of been there ever since Bowie's death. One cannot compare Wakeman and Garson, they are both geniuses. If you are getting fulfillment from the Wakeman's playing, you should definately listen the album "Aladdin Sane" by Bowie, because Garson himself values that album high and that album is of course the album that made the name for him. Bowie asked him to play in that album in "Avantgarde" way, and there it is. Especially the name song of the album, "Aladdin Sane", is miraculous both itself and because of the piano playing.
Such a great summary! Agree, “Aladdin Sane” should be next.
The next song Queen Bitch is a homage to the Velvet Underground written and sung in Lou Reed style. The sleeve note references their song White Light, White Heat. Theres also the link to Andy Warhol as he managed/promoted their first album
Queen Bitch is one of my favorite Bowie songs
The "sand and glue" line is genius. Most of the lyrics on Hunky Dory ARE genius.
“Then we lost your train of thought, Your paintings were all your own” refers to Dylan’s album “Self Portrait” released in 1970. The album is often presumed to be deliberately unfashionable and even deliberately bad, to dispel the myth of Dylan as the “voice of a generation”, a label he had come to hate. He was so often pestered by obsessive fans that he was supposedly trying to repel them with this album. Knowing that context, these lines by Bowie make perfect sense.
Next album should be Aladdin Sane.
But I enjoy your reactions and looking foreward to you finishing this.
Bob Dylan (neé Robert Zimmerman) in the 1960s was a figure inconceivable today. Almost universally praised for his songwriting, he was revered in a way that people just aren't today. You just can not imagine Kanye West or Taylor Swift writing a song about their admiration for a contemporary musician no matter how much they love them. Dylan was, to use an overused cliché, the voice of his generation, and as soon as he was given that title, he did his best to spurn it, which made people love him even more. I believe you already reacted to "My Back Pages", which tells the story of how Dylan turned his back on his supposed messiahood. I think this is the guy Bowie was writing to about the 23 year old guy who wrote "Blowin' in the Wind", which by the way, inspired Sam Cooke to write "A Change is Gonna Come".
This song, btw, is in the style of Dylan's work with The Band, just like the next track, "Queen Bitch" is an homage to Lou Reed in the style of the Velvet Underground. Both songs are quintessentially Bowie.
One final note. In 1976 Bowie was probably stoned out of his mind and totally full of himself. I probably would trust an interview about this song in the 1990s a lot more.
"brought a few more people on" I always interpreted to mean that he enlightened his listeners.
What a song. The fact it’s my least favourite on the album just shows how highly I rate Hunky Dory. The great man’s greatest, by some distance. Loving your work. You’re the Bowie of reaction videos (probably) 😊
It's also my least favorite Hunky Dory track (maybe because I'm not a Dylan fan) but Bowie's voice matches Dylan's really well and it's a good track with good arrangements so it fits the mood of this perfect album !
Totally agree. As a kid, I always rated Aladin Sane as his best, but as time went by, Hunky Dory became my favourite by far. ‘Quicksand’ and ‘the Bewley Brothers’ are my two favourite Bowie tracks ever.
It's long since been my favourite album. Putting my pretentious hat on for one moment, it's the epicentre of where art, music and sensitivity meet. Not a track that feels dated ..an incredible artistic achievement too considering his relatively tender years. Something I hadn't contemplated fifty years ago, during my own.
Justin, i'm so amazed how always u come up with your insights. U have a gift (mystery to me). I'm an old guy listening to these various works of art from their starts but have not, until now, considered these deeper perspectives. Thank you for bring deeper meaning, invaluable reveals seemingly every time! 😌👍
David Bowie's 'Heroes' album is my personal favorite of his work.
The whole Hunky dory album is pure masterpiece dude! Original and enchanting from its beginning to its end!
I love this song and always have and I not only love to hear your take on Bowie's songs ( you're so insightful) but I love reading these comments. I thought I knew so much about my main man (Bowie)but I'm learning a lot here on this song. I'm realizing as well, you've attracted some very sophisticated listeners. Bravo to you! On to Queen Bitch. I'm excited for that one!
Between 1968, when Dylan had a motorcycle accident, and 1973 when he came back with new style, voice, look, sound, etc., he was sort of out of sight -- though he did great work with The Band (Basement Tapes) and was so experimental in his songwriting, but mostly in private. That's the era that this great album came out, so Bowie addressed him as a shadow figure, lost to the world.
Dylan re-emerged in the mid 70s with a vengeance, with two fantastic albums and his famous "Rolling Thunder" tours. And, he's still going strong to this day.
So... time to check out some Dylan here!
Holy cow!!! Warm, earthy, and grassy, the Highland & Hereford's cattle I help care for say the same thing every morning! You might have to double up your content to cover all the great folk/acoustic/ alt.-country material that's out there. But I'm an old fart with nothing but time so it's a 24 hour a day obsession for me. Peace and enjoy the cold weather down there!
Bob Dylan had a motorbike accident in 1966 and didn't tour for 8 years. His album releases were much more sporadic than previously with iirc only 2 more albums in the 1960's.
Yeah, I guess I always thought of this song as Bowie “poking the bear” a little bit - not so much respectful (even the choice to call him ‘Zimmerman’ right out of the gate is Bowie choosing to point out the inauthenticity of Dylan - which Lennon had done in his song “God” on POB)
“That same old painted lady from the brow of the super brain” and “a couple of songs from your old scrap book) feels mocking - so: if their’s respect there, there is also a fearless challenge.
What I find impressive about this is how Bowie sings with just enough of Dylan's style of vocal phrasing and intonation to be a respectful tribute, but without becoming a pastiche. The lyrics are also framed in a similar way to Dylan's Song For Woody, his tribute to his own major, early influence: Woody Guthrie. Yet the chorus is pure Bowie.
The major impact of Dylan on popular music was to show that songs could be about anything at all - personal, social, imaginary - and could be deeply poetic, literary and symbolic in their manner of expression, while still managing to be popular. He profoundly influenced The Beatles' move beyond 'Love Me Do' type songs to more artistic and psychedelic writing. (According to Paul McCartney he also turned them onto marijuana when they met for the first time 🙃).
It would be interesting to compare Bowie's homage to Dylan with a more recent one by Ralph McTell (of Streets Of London fame). His latest single, West Fourth Street And Jones (inspired by the iconic photo on Dylan's breakthrough 60's album, The Freewheeling Bob Dylan) is a magisterial demonstration of great acoustic song writing that neatly sums up his impact on a generation of artists as well as a mature and nuanced perspective on the fading hopes and dreams of those times. The definitive version is McTell's performance on the BBC TV show Later With Jules Holland. He's different from Bowie, more direct and intimate in his delivery, but the two songs make an interesting and complimentary comparison.
I always saw Bowie's multiple stylized personae as akin to what Dylan was doing lyrically. It's always hard to pin down Bowie's predecessors (clearly Dylan had Guthrie, the beats and any number of blues artists). But Bowie is kind of unique. There's the obvious Little Richard influence, and, I think, the Dylan storytelling universe.
I've read more books about Dylan than about anyone else. He was adopted by the protest movement, wrote an album of what he called finger-pointing songs called "The Times They Are A-Changin'" in Jan. 1964, then in August released "Another Side of Bob Dylan" which was more personal. It seemed he was stepping down from that leadership role. The next year he started incorporating electric instruments in his work so some folkies felt he'd abandoned them.
At that point he could sit at the typewriter and churn out one psychedelic song after another but by 1970 his muse seemed to desert him so he released a double album of cover songs called "Self Portrait" which I think is referred to in the lines, "Then we lost your train of thought, Your paintings are all your own." He didn't regain his stride again until 1974.
A nice condensed version of early Dylan, but gives a bit short-shrift to the "protest" songs. His early stuff contains enough to make a BLM album alone. Only a Pawn in their Game, Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll, The Death of Emmitt Till, Oxford Town... later George Jackson. And that's not even getting into Masters of War, Hard Rain, etc. And he played with the Dead, but I wouldn't exactly file him under psychedelic. Maybe more listening, and less reading. ;)
Afternoon, Justin. Dave from sunny London. Just wanted to pick up on A Remark You Made: that Rick's playing is perfect. Yes, I agree, but for sheer excitement I prefer Mike Garson's jazzy, spiky, dramatic, at times dissonant, piano on later Bowie albums like my absolute favourite Aladdin Sane. Now, I'm certainly not a Rick hater; I love his playing in Yes, especially on CTTE and GFTO. P.S. My song ref, A Remark You Made, is by Weather Report.
The 8:30 live remark you made was the only Weather Report track necessary for me as a late teen. I may get around to the rest pf their discography, but that track has been sufficiently beautiful until now.
@@HippoYnYGlaw The version I have is from the studio album Heavy Weather. Must check out 8:30.
@gaia eternal 'A Remark You Made' is a beautiful track from 'Heavy Weather', Wayne's sax playing is ethereal. Along with Harlequin, Birldland and Jaco's playing on Teen Town, make it one of my favourite albums.
By 70/71 Dylan was living in New York, bringing up his kids and doing his best to avoid the nuts who went through his garbage looking for ‘enlightenment’. I always saw this tune as being Bowie’s plea for Bob to come back centre-stage (which he did in ‘74). Btw, Similar to the Bowie/Ronson combination, Dylan had Robbie Robertson as his guitar sidekick from ‘65 to ‘74 (indeed Bob has had a string of strong guitarists in his band ever since).
If you dip into Dylan...you really MUST do so chronologically. It’s no use starting the 70s, or even beginning in ‘65 when he first plugged in. Start off with his 2nd lp, the folky Freewheelin’ before progressing to the 65/66 trilogy Bring it All Back Home/Highway 61 Revisited/Blonde on Blonde. Then do the Basement Tapes, the Country era, then the mid 70s comeback...and on and on
Hunky Dory, the gift that keeps on giving. I've been watching your channel for a while now and subscribed today. Your analysis is so measured, nuanced and thoughtful. You can interpret the line about Dylan losing his way for awhile down to his motorbike accident in 1966. He disappeared for a while, there's even speculation that the accident was manufactured just so he could remove himself from the madness for a while. His decision in rhe mid 60's to go electric had angered a lot of fans who saw him as a folk troubadour. It resulted in the three classic albums Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde On Blonde. On his 1966 tour of the UK (where I'm from), someone shouted from the audience 'Judas.' Dylan says 'I don't believe you. You're a liar', then turns to his band and says 'play it fucking loud', and they launch into an incendiary version of Like A Rolling Stone. They incident was captured for posterity but is wrongly attributed to the Albert Hall, when in fact it happened in Manchester. Once he came back from the accident, it was a mellower Dylan, singing in a lower register on albums like John Wesley Harding. Dylan often gets blocked that's why you don't see many reactions to him. If you want some indication what made him such an influence to people like Bowie listen to It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding. The imagery in that song makes my head spin, even 40 odd years after I first heard it. Bowie and Dylan, two giants of popular music.
One of my favourite David Bowie tracks from my very first Vinyl album 1973 album I bought when I was 15 years old! Awesome - Have visited Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - "The Best Years of Our Lives" (Live)
1,386 views8 Feb 2020 Plus "Judy Teen" and "Come up & see me, Make me smile" as well as "Irresistible" much more by them they are all fantastic 70's/80's UK hits from this London based band of artists - magnificent!!! The album is on CZcams "The Best of Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel it's just fresh & brill !!!!!!!
It's a plea to Bob Dylan to get his shit together.
You Nailed It Wakeman & Ronson together is Absolutely Amazing. They are like Singers who Harmonize Perfectly , but with a Piano & Guitar. Side Bar on Bob Dylan. 4 Years after this Album , Guitarist Mick Ronson joins Dylan on his “The Rolling Thunder Review Tour” mostly with Legendary Folk Rock Musicians and Ronson. Check out the Video from the Netflix Special on the Rolling Thunder Review Tour song Hard Rain of Bob Dylan/Mick Ronson
The title is a parody of Dylan’s tribute to Woody Guthrie on his first album “Song To Woody”.
Great reaction! Perhaps it's time to react to some Bob Dylan!? I'd love to have you try to dissect his lyrics. Thanks - Another JP
Bowies song is a great tribute to Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman). I, for one would appreciate a few reactions to his huge range of tunes. I loved Dylan's early, acoustic songs, but also his later electric stuff, one of my top 20 albums is Dylan's "John Wesley Harding" . There are quite a few good tunes on there to listen to.
Good Dylan albums to start off with are Blonde On Blonde and Highway 61 revisited.
@@Katehowe3010 Blood On The Tracks is good too.
BOB DID SONG TO WOODY AND DAVE DID SONG FOR BOB I LOVE THAT
Please do Aladdin Sane and Space Oddity next! Yeah, I know you'll probably post a poll.
Great reaction! My vote for next album would be Aladdin Sane, it’s his peak album of the glam years….
PLEASE dive into Low after this album!
Hi JP , this album is even better when it's listened to as a whole . I would recommend listening to Aladdin sane next & stick to this period of Bowie before moving on to another . Although Man who sold the world & the cover album " Pin- ups " are both from this same period also .
It makes a person think... David Bowie was 23 when this album was finally released, but 20 or 21 when he started writing the songs. The publicity for this album was zero, because he'd already started writing the Ziggy Stardust songs for the record released in 1972 that was clearly going to be a game-changer for British pop music. The intelligence and knowledge he shows in his lyrics here... If you haven't already, I hope you will listen to "The Bewlay Brothers". I'm enjoying your choices.
Sand and glue = gritty and gooey
I need to listen again later, been up late and I fell asleep… doesn’t bode well. Did have a nice dream though, woke up and the song was over.
Peace and dreamy Music
If you are doing next David Bowie album, it should be Man Who Sold the World or Aladdin Sane
I completely agree with you reviewing either of those albums next
Beautifully executed track, but not really my favorite, Wakeman and Ronson's is indeed great. I recall that Bob Dylan had a motorcycle accident in Woodstock, NY in 1969 and went into semi retirement for a spell, and this song partly addresses it.
Although not a definitive representation of Bob Dylan's output his song "Man in the Long Black Coat" is a real good one from his 1989 album 'Oh Mercy'. It's one of my favorites of his. Also from that album is "Everything is Broken".
That is Rick Wakeman from Yes on Piano
Wait til u hear the next Song , “Queen Bitch” which is a Bridge to the next Album “Ziggy Stardust”
With Dylan, probably best to start at the beginning. But to me, his masterpiece will always be his 1975 album Blood on the Tracks. My all time favorite song of his is Tangled Up in Blue.
You know, Syd Barrett did a song called Bob Dylan Blues. Just sayin', hint hint.
Try The Man Who Sold The World or Aladdin Sane next, they've both got a lot of great songs
I think the loss he talks about is when Dylan "Went Electric" and a lot of his folk fans hated it and dismissed him. The next song coming up is "Queen Bitch" which is one of my favorites on this album as it hints at the direction Bowie would take when he went "Glam" on his next album "Ziggy Stardust...". Speaking of Ziggy, I think the next album should be "Aladdin Sane" as it's the album that followed Ziggy and Bowie was still in the Ziggy persona on that album. The album also features the other legendary keyboardist Bowie worked with Mike Garson. Garson had a jazz background which is noticeable on the title track "Aladdin Sane" with it's avant-garde jazz feel. It's a standout track on a legendary album with a lot of great keyboards by Garson.
There's a LOT written about both Bowie and Dylan not to mention their songs themselves, as indeed is the case with most of the artists you react to. I appreciate that you approach them naively, without expectations except from your previous experience of them just as we all did who heard them for the first time. What you then go on to do that is different from too many reactors is to break down the piece accordingly, investigating in real time if necessary, instead of just saying "I don't know {whatever}. Drop a line in the comments and tell me." I appreciate someone earning their kudos rather than just trying to bump up the comments for the algorithm. It all makes for a more interesting experience.
A respectful ode to Dylan, but not a song that I want to hear often.
I never find this that respectful. He's basically complaining about Dylan's new material, longing for him to play his old songs instead. "The same old painted lady, from the brow of the superbrain" He's accusing Dylan of treading water, rehashing song topics he's previously done a lot better.
that was always my take on this, I don't understand why the only guy on comments pointing it out is you... well, I know why very well: brainless Dylan fans
Next Bowie album should absolutely be "LOW". But I wouldn't fault you if you reacted to "Young Americans".
Love the background info about this song. It's never been a standout track for me until now. This album for me doesn't sound like Bowie yet in terms of his individual musical personality; it sounds more imitative particularly of that musical time where he borrows here and there as a process of learning although Life on .Mars? definitely is Bowie's fullblown unique artistic voice. Yet now I find this song a definite time machine of era and insight in a good way.
I vote for Scarey Monsters
Unfamiliar with this album and Dylan, apart from his two albums about a decade ago which were... cough, lovely. (starring musicians playing Extended jammin grooves- the title of the one before Modern Times escapesme).
I can hear Gabriel channelling this vibe on PG2, which is surprising because i always considered PG the polar opposite of DB in my conservative idolatrous teenage mindset.
All in all , the musical dots are closer than we imagine and I’m not sure whether it’s all a trifle Too Cosy sometimes in
Rockland.
(Ask the 2 Stephens-
Duffy
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Sufjan)
ooooh, bob dylan will blow u away....DO NOT first listen to live stuff for dylan, studio ONLY for bob dylan introductory listens...pretty please, with sugar on top...great damn bowie song, one of my faves...its the god damn SUPER-BRAIN! damn right bob IS the super brain, fer real,,yo
The style of this song is more Rocking Blues than what Dylan would write at the time - his 1970 New Morning album, recorded with The Band, was more in the style of Folk, Country Rock or traditional Blues. Dylan's "Bringing It All Home" and "Highway 61 Revisited" albums experimented with Electric Blues, but never went straight into Rock and Roll.
When you've finished doing Bowie albums, it would be a good idea to rate them all. Which ones have you done so far? Ziggy, Station and Hunky?
If I'm not mistaken, I think Justin's favorite is Diamond Dogs ! (and it's a great choice in my opinion, 'cause this one plus Hunky Dory, Low and "Heroes" are also on my must-have Bowie list).
Dude, this is a sarcastic dig .
"It's time to begin thinking about the next Bowie album we're gonna review"
Well, you know my opinion on the subject, I think ;-) ?
Have you listened to Syd Barrett's _Bob Dylan Blues_ yet..?
Justin, you really get to the basic nub of the central core of this album….Wakeman and Ronson are so melodic!
Bob Dylan's most widely loved albums are, Blood on the Tracks 1975. followed by Desire 1976. Two superb records from Dylan's middle period. Either of these would be a great place to begin a reaction to Bob.
I love Desire. It's my second favourite Dylan record after Bringing It All Back Home.
Definitely also highway 61 revisited and blonde on blonde
Blood On The Tracks is a very good album, but the four albums he recorded from 1965 - 1967 - Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde On Blonde and The Basement Tapes - are the ones on which his world-beating critical reputation is founded.
those aren't the "most widely loved" Dylan albums and I don't know why you made such a strong statement.
I'd say Dylan's 60s recordings are more loved and recognized, to the point I believe that Bowie is kind of critizising 70s Dylan, because he became too self-centered, bland to some extent and even boring... for instance, I was always unable to listen to Blood On The Tracks from start to finish without a pause. It's boring, and I'm saying it knowing that is a blasphemy... that's why I'm saying it. Dylan's fandom is the worst and most annoying in the entire universe... well, maybe after Led Zeppelin's
Since this is a homage to Dylan, it is also an unintentional (or maybe intentional) homage to The Band who was his backup band. I thought the painted lady was just a singer looking for new material to cover. Paintings are all your own? Maybe a reference to "When I paint my masterpiece".... oh the streets of Rome are filled with rubble...? Or a reference to Dylan's brush with death after his motorcycle accident (iirc) or some other change of personal/professional status. Good track. 3rd track in a row that was an hommage... maybe I wasn't paying enough attention on the earlier tracks.
edited to add: Looking back on some of the other tracks there are homages to Garbo and Neil Young. Wikipedia suggests "Life on Mars" was a parody of Paul Anka's "My Way. This album should have been called Icons.
“Paintings all your own” refers to the 1970 album Self Portrait, supposedly intended to alienate his obsessive fans. Good post.
I always thought the song was about Dylan going Electric in the early 70s, he received a lot of criticism for his change in style.
Dylan went electric in 65.
@@bobwoolerOriGinal thank you
How about Alladin Sane next?
Dylan's real name...
Robert Zimmerman
Sooo... what's Justin going to say for the next title instead of "Queen Bitch"? 🤨
JustJP you Need to do Aladdinsaine the album after Ziggy and before Diamond Dogs then it Young Americans
after that it low hoers lodger scary monsters
I can't listen to Bob Dylan...but I love this song :))
LADY JOAN BAEZ?
Just having a cursory knowledge of Dylan is going to handicap your reactions.
This song was initially one of my favs off the album but now it’s easily one of my least favs.
As far as the next Bowie album I’d suggest Low.