Watch this video to find out if wind matters at 100yds. I might explain why you're missing at further ranges! Join this channel to get access to perks: / @primalrights
I don’t normally prefer to go to indoor public ranges, but, I do have an indoor range 4 miles from my house that has a 100 yard indoor range. I think I might just make use of that for zeroing and dialing in my rifle in a completely controlled environment.
Shooters not understanding aerodynamic jump, especially at the zero range, wonder why their zero is always changing from one range day to the next. Great content, thanks !!
Got lucky. Drew a mule deer tag for SD in 2017. I was able to approach the bedded buck to 200 yards from a mile going through those big water drainage cuts. About every 200 yards I peaked up to make sure he was still bedded. Don't remember any wind that afternoon when I anchored him. 280 Remington, 24" Shilen barrel, McMillan stock, Stiller TAC300 action, Jewel trigger, 150 Nosler ballistic tip over VVN165, Norma brass, Fed 210M primer. very accurate half MOA groups almost always at a modest 2750fps. He stood up when his doe spotted me. Slight quartering a way. Bullet passed through. He ran about 20 yards and was done. That rifle was zeroed at 200 so the bullet hit where I aimed By contrast, on a pronghorn hunt in WY, my brother and I wanted to use our muzzleloaders. We were shooting 240 grain Hornady XTP bullets over 150 grains of Pioneer powder. We had them zeroed at 200 yards and his buck was at 210 yards broadside. He had a strong left to right wind and that bullet drifted so much it was 18" to the right of his point of aim. He gut shot that buck but it just stood there because he was tending a doe and she didn't budge. I ended up retrieving his 270 because he thought he missed (long story), but the short of it is he ended up with that buck using his rifle. Same wind, same point of aim but bullet drifted about 2" right. I loaded some 110 Barnes TTSX over a full case of IMR4350 for my brother's 270 Win. It has a 25" barrel and if I recall correctly the bullets were at 3400+fps. He got his buck opening morning. That was in 2005. That was the longest shot he'd ever made. He's used to 50 yards and under hunting deer in SC.
Doing some yard work and listening. Taking a short break to ask, so if this is answered in the last minutes, feel free to ignore. If zeroing in wind, would it be best to take Kestrel wind data and update for current conditions. Then dial in that solution. Use those corrected dialings to zero the turrets, then reset turrets to zero? In theory, it should be zeroed for that wind condition, which I imagine would hold at no turret adjustment at 100 in no wind and also hold out to distance when wind is factored in. Or, just make your zero point .2 left and .1 mil down if that's what the Kestrel says adjustment should be? Not sure if that question makes sense, trying to type a thought I had a few minutes ago while shoveling dirt from the curbs around my houses 🤣 Have a great Father's Day, Greg!! Always good to learn from you! This is especially useful for me in Oklahoma. Always windy and my last match I did horrible at I think the wind is what got me. A lot from 4 to 7 from firing position and the day started arpund 7-9 and last stages were 18-24!! My worse performance yet. Trying to learn more about wind currently!! Thank you!
Thank you very much for sharing this scripture. This made me think about a couple of my other favorite verses related to this subject I just wanted to share with you: Zechariah 3:1-5 Psalm 118:17-18 Ecclesiastes 7:3-4 Psalm 51:17 Proverbs 18:14
Very useful video. And Thank you for adding the scripture at the end of your videos. I wish more people would do this in their videos. Thank You May God Bless and Protect You.
Mr. Dykstra, Excellent points in showing how aerodynamic jump affects all calibers! Your message was ON POINT! Paul’s letter to Ephesus (Fesus) is such a good book. One of my favorite verses and one that helped through a career in the Cotps is Eph. 2:8-9. For by Grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast! May God continue to bless you and your business!
Thanks for this, I had thought horizontal deviation was mostly wind and vertical was from velocity changes or maybe breathing/heartbeat effects but I can understand how the push from wind is like gyroscopic recession.
20:04 this right here. You can zero anywhere if you have the right data. For example, if shooting Hornady ammo and using the 4DOF and using zero angle, input the actual distance to target (let's say 100 yards to make it easy.) Input wind data (direction and speed, hence the need for an anomometer.) Then adjust the turrets until you get zero. After that, you can return to actual zero when you want to and then adjust for environmental influences elsewhere. Normally, I am at an indoor gun range, so, no wind, not really any aerodynamic jump other than the Magnus effect, which 4DOF accounts for, regardless. This means, really, you can zero a rifle at any distance and have it be zeroed for 100 yards, which I prefer. Yet, still check at 100 yards. So, yeah, wind can still matter, even as close as 100 yards. Edited to add, God bless Greg for giving some scripture.
In 100 yard reduced course US Service Rifle Competition there is concern for wind. Here it is, shooting Mk262 in a 10 mph crosswind using an MOA wind constant of 10: 100 yards / 100 = 1 times 10 = 10 / 10 constant = 1MOA or about 1 inch of favor. So, not accounting for this wind will displace the bullet enough for few hits in the MR-31 Target’s 3/4 inch X-Ring and this means no chance winning at Master Class level. Since I want to win I keep a score book and I annotate beginning windage and elevation adjustment and used windage and elevation. BTW, once at Camp Atterbury, shooting in an EIC Match I was only one of two shooters who got the wind correct at 300 yards, which was good for a 99. Since all other shooters were down about 50 points, my really low score of 474 x 14 was still good enough for second place and 8 leg points, four more than needed to earn the US Distinguished Rifleman Badge. Fun stuff.
Great stuff! Applied Ballistics doesn’t really have a way to compensate for sight in conditions to get a true zero like 4dof. I use AB and just manually make the correction to get a true zero. If it shows at 100 that I should be right and low .1 each, I can cheat it on the dial, make an alternate mark to aim at .1 high and left, or have impact be low and right .1. It does make a big difference.
It definitely matters. I don't mind saying that it directly effects the flight of the bullet. Being professionally trained by the usmc, the only way to get a handle on the wind is to sight in with no wind whatsoever.
At the beginning of the video you said you were fire forming new brass. Do you fire form new brass with a proven accurate load? Meaning the same powder, charge, projectile and seating depth.
I understand the physics, and get how important this is to a competitive shooter, but my skills haven’t caught up with the margin of error that aerodynamic jump causes, especially at the ranges I have available to shoot at right now.
Yeah, with no rear support unless you shoot prone. In which case, the target is going to be hanging off the ceiling. Plus all the stupid endless rules and watermelons and alarms when the barrel pokes out the bay. Not happening. Ever.
I don’t normally prefer to go to indoor public ranges, but, I do have an indoor range 4 miles from my house that has a 100 yard indoor range. I think I might just make use of that for zeroing and dialing in my rifle in a completely controlled environment.
Well spoken and explained. Love your channel
Wow! This totally answers my issue from yesterday at 850 yds with a 6 CM.
Shooters not understanding aerodynamic jump, especially at the zero range, wonder why their zero is always changing from one range day to the next. Great content, thanks !!
Got lucky. Drew a mule deer tag for SD in 2017. I was able to approach the bedded buck to 200 yards from a mile going through those big water drainage cuts. About every 200 yards I peaked up to make sure he was still bedded. Don't remember any wind that afternoon when I anchored him. 280 Remington, 24" Shilen barrel, McMillan stock, Stiller TAC300 action, Jewel trigger, 150 Nosler ballistic tip over VVN165, Norma brass, Fed 210M primer. very accurate half MOA groups almost always at a modest 2750fps. He stood up when his doe spotted me. Slight quartering a way. Bullet passed through. He ran about 20 yards and was done. That rifle was zeroed at 200 so the bullet hit where I aimed
By contrast, on a pronghorn hunt in WY, my brother and I wanted to use our muzzleloaders. We were shooting 240 grain Hornady XTP bullets over 150 grains of Pioneer powder. We had them zeroed at 200 yards and his buck was at 210 yards broadside. He had a strong left to right wind and that bullet drifted so much it was 18" to the right of his point of aim. He gut shot that buck but it just stood there because he was tending a doe and she didn't budge. I ended up retrieving his 270 because he thought he missed (long story), but the short of it is he ended up with that buck using his rifle. Same wind, same point of aim but bullet drifted about 2" right. I loaded some 110 Barnes TTSX over a full case of IMR4350 for my brother's 270 Win. It has a 25" barrel and if I recall correctly the bullets were at 3400+fps. He got his buck opening morning. That was in 2005. That was the longest shot he'd ever made. He's used to 50 yards and under hunting deer in SC.
Great info. Great Word. Thanks
Doing some yard work and listening. Taking a short break to ask, so if this is answered in the last minutes, feel free to ignore.
If zeroing in wind, would it be best to take Kestrel wind data and update for current conditions. Then dial in that solution. Use those corrected dialings to zero the turrets, then reset turrets to zero? In theory, it should be zeroed for that wind condition, which I imagine would hold at no turret adjustment at 100 in no wind and also hold out to distance when wind is factored in.
Or, just make your zero point .2 left and .1 mil down if that's what the Kestrel says adjustment should be?
Not sure if that question makes sense, trying to type a thought I had a few minutes ago while shoveling dirt from the curbs around my houses 🤣
Have a great Father's Day, Greg!! Always good to learn from you!
This is especially useful for me in Oklahoma. Always windy and my last match I did horrible at I think the wind is what got me. A lot from 4 to 7 from firing position and the day started arpund 7-9 and last stages were 18-24!! My worse performance yet. Trying to learn more about wind currently!! Thank you!
Thank you very much for sharing this scripture. This made me think about a couple of my other favorite verses related to this subject I just wanted to share with you:
Zechariah 3:1-5
Psalm 118:17-18
Ecclesiastes 7:3-4
Psalm 51:17
Proverbs 18:14
Very useful video. And Thank you for adding the scripture at the end of your videos. I wish more people would do this in their videos. Thank You May God Bless and Protect You.
Thank you Brother!
Mr. Dykstra, Excellent points in showing how aerodynamic jump affects all calibers! Your message was ON POINT! Paul’s letter to Ephesus (Fesus) is such a good book. One of my favorite verses and one that helped through a career in the Cotps is Eph. 2:8-9. For by Grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast! May God continue to bless you and your business!
Excellent explanation. Appreciate your knowlege.
Thanks for this, I had thought horizontal deviation was mostly wind and vertical was from velocity changes or maybe breathing/heartbeat effects but I can understand how the push from wind is like gyroscopic recession.
20:04 this right here. You can zero anywhere if you have the right data. For example, if shooting Hornady ammo and using the 4DOF and using zero angle, input the actual distance to target (let's say 100 yards to make it easy.) Input wind data (direction and speed, hence the need for an anomometer.) Then adjust the turrets until you get zero. After that, you can return to actual zero when you want to and then adjust for environmental influences elsewhere. Normally, I am at an indoor gun range, so, no wind, not really any aerodynamic jump other than the Magnus effect, which 4DOF accounts for, regardless.
This means, really, you can zero a rifle at any distance and have it be zeroed for 100 yards, which I prefer. Yet, still check at 100 yards.
So, yeah, wind can still matter, even as close as 100 yards.
Edited to add, God bless Greg for giving some scripture.
God bless you Greg and thank you for the content & scripture sharing. I look forward to it every time I see a new video pop up. 👍 Have a great day!
In 100 yard reduced course US Service Rifle Competition there is concern for wind. Here it is, shooting Mk262 in a 10 mph crosswind using an MOA wind constant of 10: 100 yards / 100 = 1 times 10 = 10 / 10 constant = 1MOA or about 1 inch of favor. So, not accounting for this wind will displace the bullet enough for few hits in the MR-31 Target’s 3/4 inch X-Ring and this means no chance winning at Master Class level. Since I want to win I keep a score book and I annotate beginning windage and elevation adjustment and used windage and elevation. BTW, once at Camp Atterbury, shooting in an EIC Match I was only one of two shooters who got the wind correct at 300 yards, which was good for a 99. Since all other shooters were down about 50 points, my really low score of 474 x 14 was still good enough for second place and 8 leg points, four more than needed to earn the US Distinguished Rifleman Badge. Fun stuff.
A set of windflags will go along way and improving rifle scores (aggregates) even at 100 yards
Great stuff! Applied Ballistics doesn’t really have a way to compensate for sight in conditions to get a true zero like 4dof. I use AB and just manually make the correction to get a true zero. If it shows at 100 that I should be right and low .1 each, I can cheat it on the dial, make an alternate mark to aim at .1 high and left, or have impact be low and right .1. It does make a big difference.
In 100 benchrest comps, wind is the biggest factor for folks not to shooting .0s or .1s, besides having great reloading practices!
It definitely matters. I don't mind saying that it directly effects the flight of the bullet.
Being professionally trained by the usmc, the only way to get a handle on the wind is to sight in with no wind whatsoever.
Hey man happy fathers day
Great information! Thank you. Are the CPS coming back in stock soon?
In a few weeks we hope to have them back in stock.
At the beginning of the video you said you were fire forming new brass. Do you fire form new brass with a proven accurate load? Meaning the same powder, charge, projectile and seating depth.
I understand the physics, and get how important this is to a competitive shooter, but my skills haven’t caught up with the margin of error that aerodynamic jump causes, especially at the ranges I have available to shoot at right now.
I'm listening and wanting to buy, I have control I cannot control, I have no power Kestrel is calling me
The simple solution would be to just zero your rifle in. In an indoor range
Yeah, with no rear support unless you shoot prone. In which case, the target is going to be hanging off the ceiling. Plus all the stupid endless rules and watermelons and alarms when the barrel pokes out the bay. Not happening. Ever.
I shot a couple times in PRS in a 12'oclock wind at times. Switched between about 11 and 1. Forget it. Wanted to throw my rifle into the woods.
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