Dressage Disaster + Disaster + Disaster + Disaster = Canada Sets The Bar For The Elite Team Low
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2023
- When we first started the dressage disaster series there is always 1 or 2 Canadian dressage riders from the elite team in the mix. Those riders are set to leave a legacy as we watch the entire elite Canadian dressage roster fail in the dressage ring. Young and old alike, dressage in Canada needs to make better choices and start choosing talent over money.
This year has been exceptional for Canada in terms of dressage disasters, 3 dressage riders have actually fallen off at the Global Dressage Festival. If there ever was an argument against helmets the Canadian riders have ensured that dressage will never return to top hats.
In this video we watch Evi Strasser, Brooke Mancusi, Ally Dunlop and more have an epic equestrian fail one after another.
The bar is so low you can fall off and be on a team as long as you have money.
*Note for Karen - Instead of being mad that I posted, be mad that it happened. No need to worry about my skill level as I have ridden at a higher level than all but one of these riders. I trust that means you think I am qualified to have the opinions that I do and will accept them because of that.
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the frustrating part is the amount of time and money poured into these horses but the basic training has been missed. They are ridden indoors and then in competition, you have breezes, flapping tents, seagulls flying over, unusual noises and the horses predictably spook. Can't blame the horses for the training and preparation failures. They should have been desentitized and bomb proofed long before getting into a venue that has multiple opportunites for meltdowns
Is it not common at this level (the upper levels in general) to desensitize to outdoor stimuli? Don't they ever take them on hacks around their farms or down the road? I understand these are super high dollar horses, and I'm just a Para rider at the lower level still, but I believe it's essential to take a horse I'm training on out for hacks, and even a trail ride. It's healthy for both me and the horse to get out of the ring, walk around areas we usually don't ride in, heck even a stroll down the driveway is a whole different enviroment than the ring.
I'm genuinely surprised if it's not common for all the big riders to do that. No wonder their horses spook, you're definitely correct that it's not the horses' fault.
@@sarahlewisphoenix4951 amen
I didn't see spooking , only mental stress.
@@jonjonwp Hi Jon! Good to see you and your post. I agree. As you, I especially saw it in the first horse/rider combo. The rapid wringing of the tail must have created a bit of turbulence and his failure to want to go forward but a few strides would have been my clue. When she saluted in the corner I was thankful for them both. I haven't been on in a while, since I was caught up in the whirl of the U.S. 1/6/21 Insurrection hearings and then into the Alex Murdaugh trial. Yes, I know that I am a True Crime nerd. I probably would have been a criminologist, but there was no such thing when I went to school in a Galaxy far, far away a millennium ago. Lol! Hope you are well. 😁😉🍀🤗
@@jinxkrug7000 Hello Jinx, glad you are still around. Not been a good time lately. I lost my dog Christmas Eve through heart failure. It was a sad time. I have now got a new one as I can't live without a dog. Take care and see you soon here hopefully. 🤠
It's all in the hands. These horses have been over collected before they were ready, without the muscle needed to carry themselves. They just get mental stress and say no thank you.
A very famous Dressage trainer who has written many books that are now being translated from Deutsche to English told me when I was scribing for him a qoute that I have never forgotten. It has probably been heard, but this was back in 1992: " Dressed is not a sprint, it's a marathon. If you want faster results, choose another sport. It requires discipline, patience, athletic muscle strength, adherence to the basics and a healthy and sound mind of both the horse and rider. If on tries to bypass any one of these things, du bist kaput! " everyone always says no legs (feet), no horse. True. But IMHO, if your horse or you don't love the marathon, and you are going for the sprint, these are the things that go wrong. Just like mostly following a recipe for dinner, your results maybe less than palatable and you have to ask yourself what did I miss or forget. It's hard to create a masterpiece this way. Lol 😳😊🍀
Who is the very famous dressage trainer? I want to read something from him/her!
@@Neurotic_Iteration Sorry I took so long to respond. His name is Alfred Knopfart(I think that I am spelling this correctly. When I find the book that he signed in 1994 for me, somewhere between the house office and barn office, if I am wrong, I will correct it. I will also be able to provide you with the title! 😊
First rule of horse training: preparation for the movement is more important that the movement itself. If you don't train for the venue, the rest of the training is irrelevant.
The riders all worked through these issues or excused themselves as the horse was unable to calm down. This happens when riding horses. Some days, you can ride through the tense moments and regain focus. Sometimes the horse doesn't want to calm down because they are overwhelmed and spooked, and it is very nice to see these excellent riders handle the horse behavior with dignity.
i couldn't finish watching... broke my heart the stress that horse was feeling. :-(
I noticed some of them were spooking at their own shadows. Another reason to work out the kinks in as many atmospheres as possible.
They are either scared or they hurt. No chance to regain a normal balance even before entering the arena.
I like this video because it shows how sometimes everything doesn’t go as planned, even for the professionals
I would expect to see this in training level. Sad how this sport has gone downhill.
Like most animals, if they don’t want to do it they won’t. You have to respect that even if it is frustrating. ❤️🇬🇧
If they don't want to do it you're missing something. If you're getting frustrated you're never going to feel where you're going wrong and you're blaming the horse and it's never the horses fault. Time to go back to the drawing board.
Yes, I realize that these are selected videos; but the fact that there are this many of them is concerning. What has happened to competitive dressage these days? Too rapid development of the horses, perhaps??
I am not saying these riders do this because I have not seen them personally, nor do I know them. It's pretty common for 3-4 years olds to be put into draw reins with their noses to their chest being forced to do piaffe and passage. Some of these horses don't even have 30 days on their backs when the riders are doing this.
I feel bad for the horses
Wow. Dressage is quite literally turning into rodeo, in more ways than one. Sad.
the key is exposure, don't break your horse just expose them to let them know it's ok and take your time.
I'll give them one thing, at least they were consistent.
But for real, both horses and riders seem incredibly unprepared for spooks or sudden movements, nor feel that their horse is trigger stacking/a ticking bomb before they fully explode. The first rider could probably have gone on fine if it just stopped for a bit outside the arena, the rider in the canter pirouette should easily have noticed how tense the horse is and make the movement looser to let them "deflate" a bit before the next exercise, losing a few points vs being over threshold for the entire ride seems like an easy answer. Yes many of them train in harmful ways intentionally, but others seem to genuinely have no clue why their horse explodes repeatedly.
I think trainers, riders, breeders and their sponsors push their horses out on high level competitions way too fast, the horses have little to no emotional control or understanding of their surroundings/bodies and they seem to skip over the basic level training and exercises because their horses can look flashy enough without understanding basic rythm or suppleness, skipping collection, contact and straightness completely. The only thing they seem to have is impulsion, but stress based impulsion isn't solving any issues either...
Dressage is becoming the new western pleasure in terms of the misery of the horses. Shameful.
Well said. True Dressage takes time. Patience. And more time. It's become about money and fame. It used to be enough to enjoy the sport and make a decent living doing it.
Well if you look at videos of meltdowns and disasters, obviously that’s what you’re going to see. But if you see a real competition, dressage is not that bad, there are horse well ridden as well as horses bad ridden, but I think that’s were the beauty of this sport is. Riding a horse well is really really difficult, and is normal to have mistakes, but those mistakes don’t mean that the rider shouldn’t be riding anymore or that the horse is being misstreated.
@@danielmartinezfernandez5307 I've ridden for 50 years. And I see a difference now. It isn't just video clips. Cheers.
Misery of the horses and husband's 😉😅
Watch reiners warm up and train. Yikes.
Die haben auch keinen Bock mehr auf den Mist 😢👍
Idk but the woman around 1:30 looks at the left side of het horse, when the horse comes up she is everywhere with her body. As said below, horse riding basics are nowhere to be found.
Does anybody here ever say anything nice or even remotely positive about any of these rides? Ever? I know humans are significantly fallible but once in a while, one of us does something right!
You still think I am wrong? 😂
1:29 needs some lunge line lessons to learn hand-seat independence and upper body stability…
Anyone know why Dressage Hub's latest video has been removed? Something to do with violent content. How are we supposed to stop abuse if it's hidden up?
Unfortunately, it happens all too often
As long as riders prefer to concentrate on fame and $$$ this will happen. Horses are living beings with their own needs and minds. When riders forget this their perfect little world will come crashing down.
❤ very few horses are working through their bridle... this sport has attracted riders w coarse & hard hands...:(
*"you're a beginner rider if you use your legs to make them go, and use your hands to slow & stop them".
And thats a quote for classical dressage. This what i see now in your sport, ppl up on a horse kicking them to move out and they capture all that forward motion in their hands. Their hands catch the energy created by the feet n legs. Basically you're watching beginner riders trying to ride very advanced levels. Why?
Bragging rights.
Its just fast becoming a sport where force is used to accomplish the skill that riders are missing...
"Anything FORCED or MISUNDERSTOOD
Can never be beautiful".
Your use of force to create forward momentum?
To be captured by force w the hands?
It's beginner rider level - that's all...
Hands are so difficult to develope & very telling about a person's character.
Back to the drawing board, people...;(
Start over w your training program w the horses? And begin learning how to ride w gentleness in your commands.
No more forcing forward impetus-
Only for it be sandwiched in between your hard hard hands....;(
The horse is smarter than she is. He knows that's the way to the ring, and he wants no part of it!!
Exactly.
Poor, poor animals....!
But they must because of the humans.
Good riders seek harmony with their horses. Truly connecting with a horse is a wonderful thing. It's a labour of love but worth all the effort.
@@sarahwagland1559 but please consider, horses have simply no choice ! No single horse is born for carring weight!! No matter how hard you try to achieve harmony! Unfortunately this is a late insight for me too....
LS What happened with bevor , at home?????????
that poor horse.
Horse needs a break 😊😊😊
If it was one horse on team, it might make sense but All of them. Whoever is working with them is doing a bad job
Poor horse
Maybe the horses just don't like the sport?! Training issues of coarse have much to do with it.
Most of the comments on this video are absolutely ridiculous. I saw no poor riding, I saw gentle attempts to work through issues, and a dropped shoulder and spin that could dump the best of riders. Have all of you that have negatively spoken about these riders NEVER had an off day?? Have your horses ALWAYS in every moment performed to perfection?? If you say yes to both or either of these questions - YOU'RE LYING! They are horses, we are people. There are a million things that could be off on either teammate. Things happen! And they happen in every single equine sport at every single level. This channel needs to stop! Or - here is a suggestion - how about spend your efforts and use your platform to focus on the real abuse and horrors that exist in the horse world?? Do some real good for the animals! Not this armchair dressage criticism with absolutely no merit whatsoever. Disappointing and unnecessary!
No need to attack other users on this channel. Thats not very Canadian.
Yes - and most haven’t shown a dressage horse either .they aren’t machines and my horse Tino is way different off property- he goes from 8 to like 15 power and this rider was excellent getting thru this . ESP a Grand Prix horse
What is abundantly clear is that these horses/riders were not properly prepared for competition at this level. Compare the behaviours and skills exhibited by these horses and riders to those of earlier Canadian Dressage Team members, such as Christolot Boylen or Lorraine Stubbs back in the 1970s. I think you will notice a tremendous difference.
Seems to me that the horse gets confused as to what steps are to be taken when. Also. Why is their head pulled down so far…..as observer, seems unnatural & cruel. I am obviously not an expert rider nor do I understand this strange “sport”. I’m just an observer observing.
These horses are miserable and being forced into very unnatural movements by the use of force and pain, in the form of very severe bits, spurs, and whips. Does anyone defending dressage think ANY horse would choose this life?
speeding the video up didn't help
All of you posting as to the flaws? Please post your tests.....horses are not machines. Like anything that breathes, emotions can dictate mood.
Welcome to DH. We encourage sports talk here. Your toxic antiquated thinking is not welcome here. But your discussions are.
@DressageHub and your uneducated and toxic content from people that hardly can sit a test are all yours. Feel important....I'll acquiesce away from your ridiculousness. Bush league....btw, the fact you can't post a s8ngle test? Speaks volumes.