VB Subaru 2023 WRX Dyno Testing ETS Charge Pipe and Header. Do they make power?
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2023
- Expanding on the Stage1 offerings in this video we test the ETS Extreme Turbo Systems Intercooler Charge Pipe upgrade as well as their direct replacement turbo manifold (header) to see if they gain any power on their own. Results are interesting and a testament to the adaptability of our Stage1 Tune. Please watch to the end for full explanation and enjoy!
PREracing Stage1 tune available here:
www.preracing.com/products/pr...
Current parts support list:
- Stock Airbox, Cobb Airbox, or ETS intake
- Any catback exhaust
- Any top mount intercooler
- Any intercooler charge pipe
- Any turbo header manifold - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great video and love the honesty.
Thanks for explaining the dyno correction vs uncorrected
It's a super misunderstood topic.
I want those coilovers. I need more ground clearance for my 2023 WRX. I drive it in mud, snow and rutted roads. Does great!
They're not listed yet but there are other lift products with confirmed fitment for the VB WRX on rallitek
rallitek.com/collections/all/wrx-2022?page=2
@@WT4T appreciate it brother man
"Stomper status" LOL Yeah, I'm from that era. BTW enjoy the videos!!
Got my Cobb charge pipe installed with DEI Gold Tape, hopefully overall I'm gettin a better result than the factory charge pipe. Wish I would've seen this video before I bought it lol!
The gold tape might help. I kept seeing people preaching huge gains from the pipe and it just didn't make sense to me from an engineering and flow standpoint
@@WT4T I as well, saying that the charge pipe made a big difference. Gold tape from what I’ve seen has shown some nice temp drops and it’s a pretty inexpensive addition.
Do you think part of the reason the charge pipe doesn't make more power is them reusing the factory pieces it goes to on the tmic just wondering if tmics like the perin or process west not using that part might have better result
I see no restriction at this boost level honestly. Other cars show similar results. It's the reason things like throttle bodies don't make power on turbo cars either until you're really running a LOT of boost
Aww, I thought we were going to see what a tune would do after the header install :P
Didn't have time in this video
you wont, i tried looking for data. This is a sales pitch for useless part that obviously no data supports otherwise we would be looking at it.
Some factory parts might look janky, but usually there's a lot of engineering that has gone into these parts, especially in decently well engineered modern performance cars.
There's also a lot of cost moderation and bureaucracy that goes into those parts after their engineered. It's janky.
useless mod like most of them out there. I pushed 400/475 on e50 with ets intake ONLY. When have you ever seen one of these vlogs talk shit about a part or simply state that it is useless. Never, because it is a sponsorship demo, i do the same when i build pools but used to tell ppl what works what doesnt, then i lost useless "partners" and more.
When you said "align it so you'll be able to get it out later" are you referring to the retention spring?
Yes, that way, once everything's tightened down, you could remove the entire pipe without taking the lower coupler off .
Does the old charge pipe have turbo sound dampening inside?
My Saab had a double walled pipe with a net like structure on the inside walls of the pipe to dampen turbo noises.
Nothing I can see, just smooth bore
Great vid I like the tech, I had my 22 wrx on the dyno recently, ets intake, turbo back , Cobb tmic, turbosmart plumb back, charge pipe. 310hp+412tq, warm day summer 36degC, tuner said turbo was getting to much air and didn’t like it with the ets sleeve removed, preferred when sleeve was inserted . Does this make sense?
That makes zero sense. Air is power. Who's the tuner?
@@WT4T can I private message you ? Rather not name a publicly
Yeah @willtunefortacos on ig or willtunefortacos@gmail.com
i want UEL twin scroll headers. bring the subie rumble back.
Also i've heard rumors that the STI will be a hybird form of the FA platform. Which is awesome if you know about the WRC cars currently. Imagine a subie rumble with a Tesla plaid pull.
Don’t think uel twin scroll headers are a thing.
@gaderrtyboi yeah, that'd be silly
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAY THAT THOUGH..ID BE WILLING TO TRADE UP TO 10HP JUST TO BRING BACK THE SOUND THAT MADE PEOPLE LOVE SUBARUS..I GET THAT FOR MAX EFFICIENCY, ITS A NO BUENO BUT IT SETS THEM APART FROM BEING BORING TYPICAL 4 BANGER, PEOPLE MOVERS..FROM DYNO GRAPHS IVE SEEN THEYVE BEEN ABLE TO ENGINEER VB UEL'S THAT ARE ALMOST AS GOOD AS OEM EXCEPT FOR AT THE TOP OF THE REV RANGE...I FORGET WHO MADE THEM..?
invidia is working on twin scroll UEL headers.
You should install a turbo inlet to see if it makes more power for comparison to stock or is it all noise?
There is one in the pipeline 👍
Hey bro so just looking on some info on the cylinder roughness now because my car started doing it recently when the weather changed. Bader is helping me with the revision of the map but I also like to research in my own to understand more of how it works and what causes the counts to go up.
Basically the car is anticipating each cylinder firing event to happen at a certain time, when it happens too soon or late from expected it counts a roughness.
@@WT4T is it a problem with the sensors or something? I pulled my plugs and they were set at 0.024 so I moved them to 0.020 but I fixed a few leaks I had and the car was very rich so that’s why he was sending me revisions because I didn’t realize I had all those leaks but now the AFR is better but the counts is what I’m noticing now more but no CEL.
The sensor it uses is the crank position sensor, very rarely the issue. Usually poor fuel atomization or irregular airflow is to blame.
@@WT4T so I’ve been running E85 for the last few months maybe I should run a tank of 93 to clean things out. In the past I’ve run ethanol for years straight and no issues but this is the first time I’ve been rotated so now I feel like a newbie but you know your stuff so I figured I could ask you just to double up on the help
@E85_STI gasoline will likely make it worse but you could try
Why didn't you attach the coupler to the billet piece and charge pipe first and then just snap it all onto the turbo?
A few reasons, this is an informational video not an install video, second I wanted to show people the peace and how it attaches but with the coupler on you can't see it as well, and finally I like to line everything up before I tighten anything down.
What kind of clamps would you perfer? Whats the way to go for something like this?
Refer to earlier videos on the channel about clamps. We use a certain type of worm drive clamp and they have been proven good past 50psi on property prepped surfaces.
@@WT4T Found it! Appreciate the swift reply!
Have you seen a Cobb or grimmspeed intake tube on the dyno?
Yes both. They are good but not quite that of the ETS
Do you have a video showing us wastegate duty of oem vs upgraded without retune? And possible dyno and date after retune? My engine is out and i am about to put it together and back into the car, so i could theoretically buy and wait for the header to install, as long as OEM turbo location as i am using a OEM hybrid. Would love to be able to pick up 10-20whp (or easier thus more boost) on my setup.
Video no, logs yes. Date after retune? I haven't watched this video in some time but I believe in this or the next video you can see it.
@@WT4T data after retune as in new logs or new dyno plot, not date (typo).
@stijanjija2225 yeah, that's in this video or another for sure. Like I said, it's been a while and I've tuned a couple hundred cars since then.
@@WT4T yea i cant find it, but i emailed you explaining what i am after. Otherwise, we go back to my og post--no data, just install more parts in your Subie and wonder why it blows up more than usual.
why did you lose power earlier in boost ramp up without overshooting first, just losses.
@stijanjija2225 your asking for data then coming at me like I never offer it and make wild claims. Bruh. "Hey, do me a favor and dig through thousands of logs for this specific thing." At least toss a guy some tacos or a "thanks for making videos on the platform" jfc some people.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for saving me $300 for a part that does f all.
Did you ever get a chance to compare your catback to the stock one?
Not on the same car.
Just for charge pipe u need any tune or not? Just wondering
No, it makes little to no difference. Might actually be an ever so slight downgrade.
If change the Header , it’s there necessary to get Stage 1 ? Or Just put the Header on ?
It's a good part and it sounds cool. But it is definitely not necessary with the stock turbo
What was the wing 🪽 model and company?
Here you are:
www.preracing.com/products/apr-gtc-300-adjustable-wing-fits-2022-2024-subaru-wrx
Will the ets j pipe bolt up to the stock catback?
It has a flat 3" flange so you might need an adapter or extra thick gasket to get a good seal
What’s the dimensions of your dyno cell ?
20ft wide, 30ft long, 10ft high. (So 6,000ft³) 11,200cfm of inducton fan in ceiling at front of room (about 2/3 of ideal but it is what it is) into the room. Exhaust open to atmosphere.
Main vehicle fan is 1hp 26" 6750cfm fan with additional scroll fans for directional airflow.
Do you recommend ETS header is worth it
If i put the header need i tuned or i can drive w/o tuned
On my tunes it'll run fine. I wouldn't do it on a stock tune for sure.
Where you located at?
Portland Oregon
@@WT4T how do I get a tune by you?
VB shelf tunes are located on www.preracing.com if you need custom tuning message me at willtunefortacos@gmail.com
@@WT4T awesome I’m in the area and will hit you up. I want to dyno the car anyway for fun tbh
@user-tz3ve3zk9g in that case just call PRE at 503-619-0055 and they'll get you on the schedule!
So no data, just install more parts in your Subaru.
Huh?
@@WT4T its better than oem but no data supports that, shows opposite. 🤷🏻♂
@stijanjija2225 everything about this made more power than OEM. Soooo... that's data
@@WT4T not trying to be a smart ass... but where in this video did you show us that upgraded header made more than oem header? I heard you talk about wastegate and more power and logs, but did NOT see any of it. It would have been nice to show us, that's all i am saying. Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey talk is not good enough.