Air Stone In My HOB Filter ?
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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2019
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I recently tried putting an air stone in my HOB filter instead on in my tank, but within a very short time, I had all the fish in the tank at the surface, gasping for "air".
Thanks for doing this experiment!
Dan, you mentioned the water in the filter and coming off the filter (the ripple area in front) was as gas exchanged as it was going to get. I agree. I'm guessing the air stone aided with the ripples, but maybe just as important, helped circulate the water from the bottom of the tank to the top (in tank circulation, not just around, but bottom to top). Perfect placement on the air stone. Tank looks like an example of whats important vs whats not.
Thanks. I just read up on gas exchange today and learned some important new info I've never heard mentioned before, so look forward to video about it very soon. I now understand why this didn't work.
Much of the hobby is trial and air. Thank you for trying it so we don't have to! Greatest unofficial researcher out there! Haha!
You mean error?
More air is definitely not always a good thing. It’s all about the balance. I love when people experiment and observe. It’s how we grow and learn as hobbyists. Thank you I look for calm active fish. I once over did the air. Live and learn.
Firstly I love science 🧪 love it!
I have a planted tank.
During the day the plants produce o2 creating a lift of co2 . surface ripples can be very gentle like a rain drop or a fish surfacing or wind…. So I don’t run the air stone during the day. I make my plants work a little. At night I turn the air stone on because the plants are now using o2 and which creates a dense o2 water on the top trapping heavier co2 below. The stone then breaks that up to rise co2 to the top and remove it.
So you think that entire column of water will be depleted or recharge with oxygen in a matter of minutes? I think you need to think some more.
I'm down to three tanks now but at one time had 27 and I never used an air pump, or heaters. Those were large cichlids and oscars though, so....
The exchange mostly happens at the surface so I'm led to believe ..so an airstone near the bottom is good as it circulates the water from the deep to get re oxygenated from the surface..The bubbles dont really do much other than lift the water from the bottom so it gets oxygenated at the surface . Im not good at explaining things but it makes sense to me. lol
Yes, That's a common misconception. I used to believe it myself. czcams.com/video/ahnZBSIdvJU/video.html
great video
I did this for a hill steam set up I had. .huge "oxygen" out put
I was about to start typing about airstones halfway through the video... then I said "WAIT...let Dan finish first"...lol
Awesome!
My GBR is doing great with the temp at 78.
Hmm. Prehaps because the HOB within itself its also doing some sort of gas exchange, by adding the air stone inside you're removing something beneficial?
Just a guess, I was just searching if someone done it lol, since I was literally about to do it too, luckily I watched this video first.
i would really like to know what that "tree" is sticking out that aquarium. very cool root system.
That's Temple Plant or Swamp Weed (Hygrophila)
Co2 is higher in density… making it heavier than o2 … a good example of this is heat trapped in the atmosphere which then leads to smoggy air.
Airstone lift CO2 laden water up to the surface to exchange it out for O2 which is then caused to sink by the return action of the now falling water. Moving your airstone away from your filter would make it mre effective. placing it near/under the temple plant would be the best placement for total tank gas exchange.
This is a really dumb question but what is the plant in that tank? It's looks amazing like a bush.
It's Temple Plant or Swamp Weed if you prefer (Hygrophila)
Nice tank! So it’s ok to have air stone and live plants? Can I run it in the day only?
As long as you don't inject CO2, an air stone isn't going to hurt your plants as far as I can tell. I run them 24/7 in the tanks that have them.
Shared.
I topped my (2) upstairs tanks off today as well. My (10) gallon is a bare bottom. The Mollies eat so much that there is hardly anything to clean. I got the (3) Black Mollies last weed as a replacement for my (3) dead ones from good ole PetSmart:-) This time I added SeaChem's Paraguard for a week. I notice their excrement is no longer white. I wonder how effective Paraguard is for internal parasites or if I need to add an envelope of API General Cure? I'm really sorry my female that gave birth to (4) live and (3) dead is gone:-( She was such a pretty velvety black. I stuffed my Aqueon HOB w/ (2) Mr Clean white sponges. I also have the cheap Huijukon sponge filter in there. Two of my replacement mollies are VERY pregnant! I thought one was going to burst when I got her last week. Now her belly is even more round so it will be any day now. Your fancy guppies have beautiful tails. Guppies can surprisingly breed with Mollies although I've never seen it. I am going to get some Black Lyretail Mollies next. I have a (20) and (30) gallon cycled tank in the basement. These cheap filter sponges are nice bc they come as twins and you can put one into another tank for quick cycling of course. My heaters are set at 79 deg Fahrenheit. I don't use a light on my tanks so I am hoping to create some algae outdoors for my Mollies to eat. Mollies also like spirulina so I will have to find a food w/ the highest content. If anyone has economical suggestion for food please chime in::-)
I buy Hikari Algae Wafers by the kilo. It's a lot cheaper than buying at the fish store. amzn.to/359pPV2
Did you move the air stone from the bottom of the tank to the HOB or did you add a 2nd one to the HOB?
I moved the air stone. When it was in the HOB, it was the only air stone in the tank.
Is it ok to put the stone and filter on the same side long term? Or is it better to put the stone on the opposite side of the tank?
As long as you have good water circulation, I don't think it matters.
What is the plant growing out of the tank?
That's Temple plant. I have some for sale if you're interested. danielhiteshew@gmail.com
31°C!? Isn't that 5°C higher than it should be? 😱
What kind of plant is sticking up out your tank?
Temple Plant.
89? way to high
try putting infront of the filter. seriously..i did it and it sends a ocean of bubbleson the exiting water.
I use airstones in all my tanks...usually put it away from my HOB filter. Q...I see that you don't have a top...does your Guppies or any other fish jump out of tank.
I haven't lost any from this tank yet, but it does happen sometimes. I don't keep fish that are known "jumpers", and guppies are the only type of "surface" fish that I feel ok doing it with. Killifish and other surface fish will definitely jump out. Gouramis too.
I’ve had my GBR pair for about a month now and I run my tank at 82, with a nice big air stone ( as I know warmer water is crucial to GBR). I often worry about how my other fish are dealing with the higher temperature, particularly my neons but I see you also have some and your temp is somewhat higher than mine which is helping me worry a little less!
At 82 there's not much worry especially with Neons. They do really well, as do guppies, at 78. Higher temperatures will increase their metabolism shortening their life span a bit.
James Hande thanks for taking the time to reply. I’m new to this and I’ve made my fair share of mistakes already but I’m enjoying it no end. I got the tank cycled, added some neons and cardinals and a few white widow tetra. ( couple of Nerite snails and a bamboo shrimp also) The GBR were a gift and I really love their personality so I did my research and altered my temperature accordingly bearing all of my fish in mind but not having much, if any personal experience, it’s a constant worry whether I’m doing things right. After all this research, buying plants, testing kits and a lot of prime, I’d hate to kill them with too much heat! Again, thanks for your reassurance.
@@brianatonicarys No problem, glad to help!
They spawned!!!!!! Not many eggs, but they actually spawned and are fiercely defending their eggs. .... I feel like I’m out of my depth here...
No point having it in the filter there will be no surface agitation
You never know until you try
How do I get ammonia lvs down? My water is fine till I seem to add the instant ocean. I test my water and get 0.50 reading for the past week. I have down small water changes all the way to 75% water change. I'm scared my fig 8 puffer won't tolerate the ammonia lvs much longer. I do use seachem prime everytime. I have 2 filters running with bio wheels. What am I missing?
Are you using tap water? Sometime tap water has chloramine, which is chlorine bound with an ammonia. It doesn't evaporate fast like chlorine (which is why they use it) and it will show a positive test for ammonia. Try testing your tap water and see what you get. If that's where it's coming rom, stop using it. Products like "Prime" will only mask the problem.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly That's what I thought so I tested my tap water yesterday(just straight tap) and it showed up normal no ammonia no nothing. I made a batch of brackish and There was ammonia. I'm using api freshwater master test kit. I know it can't be the instant ocean salt. I'm soo confused on what I'm missing. I did 75% again today and going to test again in a hr
@@redbullraven Did you make a batch of water and test it in the bucket? Or did you add it to the tank first? Test the newly made water and see if it's in the bucket. If not, then we've narrowed it down to something happening in the tank.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly I tested the tap straight from the tap. I have a figure 8 puffer and 4 mollies in a 25g tank. I also have 2 ghost shrimp. 3 take decor's(a vase, rock formation and a log.) And 2 fake plants. I feed a little krill in the morning(Frozen cubes I thaw) and at night it's either snails or earthworms. I also throw in a few flakes of food for mollies. Maybe I'm overfeeding? I also every morning skim with the net to pick up any bio left behind.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly okay just tested my tank. Ammonia isn't that high now. So maybe a 50% water change tomorrow and test again....hopefully there will be no ammonia. Thank you sooo much for helping out!! So letting my fellow beginning fish ppl to check out your vids. Thank you thank you
Maybe turn it down some. If you have a power loss for even a short time. The inhabitants are toast. -or simmered-
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what filter is thatt?
Tetra Whisper 20 amzn.to/3m1fZid
lot of mold in the corner of the ceiling ... better get that cleaned up
Your not supposed to put the air stone under the filter. It will mess up the filter and or reduce life of filter
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That's odd that your oxygen runs out so fast. I can leave my tank filter off for days, maybe longer (never tried it) and my fish are just fine. My tank is less stoked with fish than yours though. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Is your tank above 85 degrees? Cooler water holds o2 better than warm water.
Oh shit mate, my deepest apologies I’m sorry sorry that was the last time I’ll offer advice
Regards Duzzy from 🇦🇺
No problem. It wasn't a bad idea.
AirStone in HOB think works with a AquaClear filter
(Or similar design) cuz the media doesn't get in the way of the water flow. I thought the ram only needed 82 to 85 Degrees? Years ago I kept mine at 82. Either way he looks happy.
🤔🤔interesting...👍👈
you can have a billion bubbles and if they dont make it to the top of the tank they dont do anything it when the bubbles pop at the surface is when it oxygenates the water
Actually each bubble adds surface area for gas exchange and oxygenation, which is why small bubbles are better more surface area for the volume of air. The accumulated surface area of bubbles is more then the surface of your tank. If it was all bout circulating and surface agitation then a power head would be a much better option
@@306varminthunter5 it has nothing to do with air bubbles at all it has to do with a surface agitation of the water you can have a power filter and as long as it ripples the top of the water and agitates it that oxygenates the water and they have no bubbles at all
@@RoundhouseAquatics advancedaquariumconcepts.com/air-bubbles-do-actively-aerate/
I’m sorry I disagree
I believe because you were only running one filter
When you added the air stone, you changed the biological bacteria that live within the filter.
Therefore, you needed to reseed because you’re basically creating a whole new filter by adding the oxygen stone to hang on back filter.
If this would’ve been a second or third filter, the idea of adding the air stone would’ve not caused such an extreme situation
And you would’ve achieved your final outcome
Hey man you from delco ?
Nope. I'm from Baltimore.
@@DanHiteshew-oneandonly delco has a very distinct accent that's why I ask apparently youss guys have it too !
@@JDSAquaticExperience Lol Nobody can ever peg my accent. I have people from Baltimore ask me where I'm from.
I had a hunch after I heard you say water because people up here say "wudder" it's a philly/delco thing
@@JDSAquaticExperience Lol We say wudder in Baltimore too.
Don’t do it in the filter it vibrants and it will freak out the bacteria