TF2: The Power of the Cloak and Dagger
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2023
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The Cloak and Dagger is often overlooked and misunderstood, but it has some true power once you know it...
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Pizza Tower - Tropical Crust
Chris Christodoulou - A Placid Island of Ignorance
Andrew Hulshult - Davoth
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Since the cloak drain is based on your speed, moving around crouched actually gives you more distance for less charge, with the tradeoff that you're slow of course, but that can be very useful when you only have a sliver of cloak left and need to get out of a sticky situation.
or literally go through the whole battlezone without stopping
@@questonabletony which works rarely, but when it does it is fun
finally, someone else who mentions that this is a thing
Thats my Favorite Watch. Why is that? Answer: President roosevelt used Watch and then he is vanish forever. Body never found it.
@@C.A._OldIn English please?
One if the biggest beauties of the CnD is it lets you hide right where the enemy just spy checked. Seriously, if you see a rocket fly into a corner from a particularly pissed soldier GO THERE, he'll never find you unless his paranoia has shattered his brain so much that he double checks his work.
That would be pretty on brand for soldier, he is a paranoid brain-damaged lunatic after all.
Wait, there are people who don't pop off a second shot where they checked? News to me.
@@CoralCopperHeadits even a old mrp tip
This advice is so good that I legitimately thought it was part of this video.
Even though I just watched this video a minute ago.
within the top four comments I have already found three different acronyms for the Cloak And Dagger
CaD, C&D and Cnd.
C&D is, unfortunately, a watch that's so much better at getting in the opponent's head and reminds you that spy is a support class. It helps make distractions and making the enemy paranoid on multiple threats even when you aren't necessarily one. Stuff like that helps the team but doesn't get noticed on the kill feed so often gets unnoticed.
A sacrifice must be made
The nameless hero I guess
Also valuable for stuff like Intel calls in more organized formats - knowing when the enemy is about to push so your team can retreat or bait their Uber
@@Jontohil2 NOBODY KNOW WHO HE IS!
HERO!
Support for spy means he's a killer and should kill high prioritized targets. Same for the sniper. The problem is, sniper just better. I played a few hours in the tfclassic, but it seems like balance in the first part of team fortress was better - spy was not so useless when he can't flank, and sniper wasn't so extremely OP.
P.S. I'm sorry what im said "kike" instead of like I'm not an antisemitic person
The CaD is so perfect for being sneaky and messing with players it's unbelievable
yea i used it to mess with a soldier enough to give him anxiety in a tr_walkway server
he's in the walls... HE'S IN THE GODDAMN WALLS
If you know how to use it
@@SentryChampion there are multiplayer walkway servers? Cool
Thats my Favorite Watch. Why is that? Answer: President roosevelt used Watch and then he is vanish forever. Body never found it.
A friendly reminder that this 0:43 is only true up to normal walking speed. Once you’re going faster than normal, it stops draining faster. Cloaking immediately after a stab using the Big Earner results in a few moments of added distance for the amount of cloak you get, making it decent as a way to give the watch a bit more mobility.
The added cloak on kill with the Big Earner is a nice bonus too, if not exactly a game changer.
So bhoping under CnD can be a good idea, right? I can land a few jumps in a row.
@@zerpuck no. Jumping *does* increase cloak drain on account of changing your vertical momentum. I don’t know the specifics, but jumping doesn’t help.
Thanks for the info!
Thats my Favorite Watch. Why is that? Answer: President roosevelt used Watch and then he is vanish forever. Body never found it.
I always loved the CaD, and never really understood the “stay still forever” part.
Personally I used it to become the ‘Boogyman’ essentially. Sneaking into their back lines, popping out of cloak in a disguise, killing a player or sapping building before fading into the shadows only to reappear at random times to ensure they never catch their breath. The normal spy is the assassin, crippling the enemy with precise blows (Medics, Enginners). While I choose to instead increase the inherit spy fear to 1,000, killing randomly, at random times with no rhyme or reason. A medic watches me decloak thinking I’ll kill him, instead I kill his soldier and disappear. He watches me kill a engineer next, his paranoia increases and he loses focus until I kill him next.
#GiveTF2PTSD
It will always be immensely satisfying to kill a player WHILE they are looking for you
Another tactic if you still do play is disguise yourself as an enemy spy so people won't always think twice about the cloak especially if they don't see the color of the decloak
Its saved me on a few occasions but it obviously won't give you a pass for enemy spychecks
@@Jontohil2 it’s my favorite but it’s also why the yer drain rate increase makes me sad I enjoy being a boogeyman that can just ignore the sentry and stab at the exact moment someone’s vulnerable but if the enemy is so terrified checking for me that I can’t uncloak I might be doing nothing but the cloak and dagger let’s me keep making them paranoid even if I’m not doing anything
This sounds fun
I'm going to become the spooky scary pumpkin spy next time I play
as a person that LOVES to be sneaky and cause chaos and paranoia in ways like this. . . i want to be like you some day
Just like a lot of people's spy psychology videos, my favorite thing to do as spy (that you can't really do as any other class) is to harass other players (specifically one or two, usually the best performing ones) so much that they become paranoid. Once paranoid, they begin to underperform. Spy is the only class that lets you effectively grant a debuff to one or more enemy players that lasts even for a few minutes if you switch classes.
True, bully one enough and he'll become pyronoid.
Psychological damage if you will
@@zebefreod871 killed a single heavy 9 times in a row, usually while he tried to leave spawn and get to the point, pretty sure I gave him paranoid schizophrenia.
@@mrhalfwit972 can confirm, i was the heavy (i have voices inside of my head now telling and begging me to use the phlog and burn every last spy main)
this doesn't work on me because i am always paranoid about everything
I used to play comp long time ago and this thing was extremely useful on some maps, normally as a spy you would need to wait until push or distraction happens in a comp game because otherwise its a suicide to try and kill anyone, so you would wait somewhere near ammo/hp packs and on some maps they are far away from choke points, this is where cloak and dagger comes in, you can stay close to choke and react very quickly when push happens.
When I make a video about Highlander, this is the kind of stuff I'll be talking about
@@Jontohil2 do you play Comp?
The Cloak and Dagger is good for messing around with the enemy team, making voice lines at them, while making them question where the voices are from.
The voices are getting louder.
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Red tape engies buildings when they finally leave them until they rage pyro and letting your team push
My favorite is spamming the "spy!" Voiceline on lone engineers and watching them freak out and start randomly shooting everywhere. Especially fun when another spy joins you and you start distracting him while the other one saps his nest and so on.
schizophrenia tf2
you can also give them visual hallucinations, like disguising as a friendly engineer to pretend to ninjaneer
Honestly a TF2 youtuber having their loadout rantsona actually lipsync to what they're saying is a really appreciated touch.
rantsona 😶
i once used the C&D to spray a wall next to an engie nest, then watch him panic spycheck around him, finding nothing, relaxing, and then i just did it again and again.
if you aren't gaslighting people with spy then you aren't playing spy
Decloak, pop a shot, re cloak, hang around. Rinse and repeat, until half the enemy team is looking for you. Best on offense payload.
3:50 you missed a perfect opportunity to use the metal gear ! Sound effect
Im huge fan of ghost spy
Being hidden alot of time, picking singular targets
The Paranoia watch
Thats my Favorite Watch. Why is that? Answer: President roosevelt used Watch and then he is vanish forever. Body never found it.
Remember, you can never prove the absence of spy
@@battlesheep2552 unless the team has been wiped and the enemy can see no spy icons
From my point of view, the Cloak n Dagger is just usually better on defense, in particular when you are near the enemy's spawn. Because if the enemy team is struggling to get out, you kinda have to wait. But most of the time stock does the job just as well otherwise. And if you're on offense, you can usually just sit on an engie's dispenser to have a more predictable cloak n dagger. Most players don't really check there for some reason.
So true
4:00
You should also be aware of what your team is doing, as you'll have a much easier time taking out players when they're busy focusing on them.
Additionally, this'll help your team as well since you can take out vital targets such as Medics, Heavies or Demomen, getting rid of ubercharges, damage sponges and sticky traps.
I have about 173 hours on tf2, and I'm VERY used to CaD. It just gives you infinite cloak, and i LOVE THAT.
I feel like the cloak and dagger and your eternal reward would be a great combo if it wasn't for that god forsaken cloak drain
4:45 this definitely has to be the CNDs biggest strength. The ability to just, not give into spy's most common routes and hot spots is great!
But at that point you might as well use stock and the Le' Tranger...
That's kinda the big reason I feel the CnD has issues. Stock + Le'Tranger gives you such a huge window of time to assess the situation that it's almost identical in power to the CnD because you can just wait with it, especially since a full ammo kit gives it indefinite uptime if you can stick around it without being caught.
You also get a big boost from combat since you can shoot people once or twice while retreating and get a reliable 5-ish seconds to cloak and run off to heal and refill.
@@InsightReasoning Yea after using the c&d for awhile you get into the habit of doing the stay still trick with stock and it often works just fine with the letranger.
amazing video and I love the pizza tower music that plays at 3:21
You could've made the final joke so much better by adding "Or does he (leave)?" and playing a backstab sfx!
It's also a great video!
Most Spy players forget this watch exists _(including me)_ and am glad more CZcamsrs are talking about it, like Soundsmith with his recent video
Loved the bit at 4:34, reminded me of LazyPurple's hiftp demoman vid
isn't it like,the second best option after dead ringer lol?
@@fozart-9309 the red tape recorder is rhe second best sapper, but this doesnt make it good.
@@fozart-9309 dead ringer is the most counterable watch if you know what you're doing (or at least the playstyle is)
@@Jontohil2 Like where ammo and health packs are. Hell, if they're using the Kunai and you know they haven't gotten a stab before encountering you, or their overheal wore off, then you can just fire off two rockets in the same spot to kill them.
Admittedly, I think the Kunai is both the best and worst knife to use with the DR. The worst because the lower health actually makes it where you'll die quick even after tanking a single shot to trigger the cloak. The best because if you have gotten a stab then the damage resistance along with your remaining overheal can tank quite a bit... but the thing is that the feign is a lot more obvious considering how much overheal the Kunai gives on a backstab.
4:18 "no pain no gain mfs when i backstab their entire familly (they didint gain anything)"
My favourite part about it is accidentally uncloaking at the wrong time and then running to a corner, but get hit in corner then move around and watch as players go mentally insane as they spycheck places I was while dodging their attack
One thing I'd like to point out is that using the spy-cicle with this watch helps against pyros trying to hunt you down. You can tank the first flame particle that touches you and stay invisible, allowing you to take advantage of hiding spots that they've already checked.
Great video as always!
That's pretty good actually
You underestimate my pea brain goldfish memory that causes me to spray the same spot 3 separate times before remembering ive already checked it
The Cloak and dagger in my opinion is your own personal cashino. you can either wait until the perfect moment (Never) or take a gamble and decloak stab and then cloak again
i love the cloak and dagger sm
I'll be honest, I've primarily used the C&D for as long as I can remember ever playing Spy. I think it's because I'd often run out of cloak when trying to get in, and diguises don't really work when you're clearly running _into_ a base instead of out toward the combat. Being able to never be visible once the whole way in helped, although I *would* get in those traps of 'waiting for the perfect moment' (which did work sometimes, usually with engineers), but oftentimes I'd just sit there for a long time. Nowadays I'm smarter than that, I try to be more aggressive, and take advantage of the old tactic of "go to corner that they already checked" to avoid being caught after I get a stab/sap/Diamondback crit/whatever.
5:10 i learned this on my own and after a lot of death its now an instinct to use 100% of my cloak to run away from pyros specifically, i will run to the other side of them map if it meant so, but i have to add for some reason stopping doesn't always work especially against scouts....
CaD is amazing at escapes, Its my main watch and I wouldn't be able to tell you how many times I end up cloaking right in front of a player only to stay in the same area and watch them chase nothing. There's also those tense moments when players know you're staying in the same area but can't pin down exactly where you are.
To learn the enemies habits, we must know what the enemy is up to. As an engy main, I’ll use this knowledge against spy and maybe if I play him once
Played spy for lols because I'm a heavy main, and now I can't stop beware my friend for playing spy you may be sucked into that dark vortex
I think a good way to buff the C&D is to make the de-cloak sound quieter. The weapon is already intended to reward you for being patient and if this change was made it would help let spies using it stay hidden. In short it would trade off mobility and patience for stealth and the ability to quickly and quietly move from A to B without getting detected (if your good at spy that is)
1:26 the entire enemy team left their position to hunt the most annoying and hated class "Spy".
For a moment the prime purpose of living of the red team is hunt him down!
Spy, one of the most fun to play, but annoying to play against :)
SPY HAS A GUN?!?!?!?
The Cloak and Dagger, L'Etranger and Spy-cicle are a very great combination to get behind enemy lines without getting spotted once.
And if a pyto spots you, the Spy-cicle is a great one use "get out of jail" card. :^)
Defo wouldn't call it "get out of jail free" since you loose your knife, but it's good at getting away from pyros
@@Jontohil2 well at least you do get it back after about 10 seconds of waiting for the pyro to go away
@@Jontohil2 u don't need to stab if u are samwiz1 pacifist spy
Harassing engies
Lol
@@Jontohil2you do realize that even if it IS weak, did you know that the L'ETRANGER IS A GUN.
@@Jontohil2 If you're that close to a Pyro you're probably going to want to wait a bit to go for a backstab on anyone. Something you'd miss out on and be killed for lacking said item.
Unless you're going to exploit natural lag and go for trickstabs it is normally a net positive.
These are fantastic lad, I hope a video about match ups come later, spy vs all classes and how to beat them/ escape from them, similar how uncle Dane did his engineer vs all classes video
Cloak and Dagger, L’etranger, and stock is an amazing combo.
ill one up you, spicicle, you become even more phycological because of statues, and can escape pyros
As soon as I got the Cloak and Dagger, I didn't touch the default watch again. This video taught me a couple new concepts for me to work on. Thanks
The way you visualize these lessons is very helpful
LEAFS! 5:56
Another great video. Keep up the great work Jontohil2!
4:29 “I didn’t see you at camouflage practice today private!” “Thank you sir!”
I Found your channel right now and I‘m already hooked, good video btw
I love your tutorials! I became a spy main because of you and hope for more vids.
Love you!
As a cloak and dagger spy, I didn’t start out like the intro. I went “if I tap W, I can technically sneak into the base and get backstabs and have infinite cloak!” I still do that. Also, I use the l’étranger and YER to become the infiltrator
I use the exact same loadout as you: Eltranger, cloakydaggy and YER
Great amount of work in video!
Now you've made me a bit proud of my knowledge of this tool as I knew most of that stuff... I learned it mostly by staring at the respawn screen and asking myself "how the **** did i end up in that position?". Though I DID learn some stuff from that video (I think if I saw this earlier I would see a bit less respawn screens as I found no CnD guides back then). Keep up the good work!
Wow, if compared to your previous uploads this one has improved, first of all, the animation, camera work. I like the presence of progression
Another great analysis video with excellent animation quality!! Good job 👍🏻
You have a really good taste in music my friend (love that ROR2 OST :D)
It gave me PTSD from those damn flying pests
i just sneak around until im about to "decloak" in which i wait a little bit then sneak more
The C&D is also a great tool to teach people that there's other ways to escape enemies other than just running away. Obviously the C&D let's you stay in that spot forever but you can do the same once you switch to stock. Just need to to keep an eye on your meter, but otherwise you can escape with stock just as you would with C&D. Mostly.
It's worth noting that the Cloak and Dagger also has a louder decloak than stock, another of those hidden stats Valve added without telling anyone.
So decloaking direxrly behind someone is even less practical.
I recently got away with this against an Engineer by decloaking on top of his dispenser and putting a Spycicle into his spine.
I appreciate the animated spy narration. Subbed
Wonderful video! I have learned from this video, thank you for taking the time to make this video!
Ok I say it: Your channel gonna blow up if you continu/improve your vids because of your editing and MOSTLY because of the way you implement SFM/Gmod parts in your vid !
I always use stock when playing a more urgent gamemode like payload but in a more casual slow paced setting like CTF the shenanigans you can get away with using the Cloak and Dagger are unmatched. My favourite hiding strat with the CaD is to hang out in the room the enemy is spy checking and just follow them around moving into the spots they have already checked. Since small movements use almost no cloak I love just standing in the middle of a populated area making tiny adjustments to where I'm standing so I don't bump an enemy.
I remember having an Engineer so indulged into spychecking me that he didn't even watched his buildings so it was getting destroyed by soldiers, demos and heavys everytime he set up. I even hit him with the red tappe recorder just to annoy him. He switched to Pyro and started spychecking hard but by that time i was already on a Sniper and other Engineer and since i was using YER there wasn't any notification in the killfeed for the Pyro to know if i was still playing Spy.
i always remember objects on maps that nobody knew existed or had any purpose so i played medic a lot and for some reason they didnt see me. i even used a spell on halloween to get on a tree and heal my team but nobody cared to look up.
That was really quick, but I liked it a lot!
I almost forgot that spy has a gun, thanks for the outro reminder :D
1:40 I love you pronounced the name of the weapon perfectly lmao
Your content got me into tf2 and made me a spy secondary you and uncle dane our the whole reason I even bothered getting into competitive video games thank you and please continue to make amazing content
What I usually do when I run the cloak and dagger is disguise as a teammate until I'm near enemy lines, that way I have a full cloak meter when I'm going to go in.
i have pretty much always used the cloak and dagger over stock, and thats just because i thought the name sounded cooler when i was starting out. now im so stuck to it that stock feels like the unlock instead
Your choice of music is very sophisticated and tasteful
Cloak and dagger can also be used in ctf to go from your spawn to the enemy’s intel without decloaking
Keep up the good work!
BTW, on cp_orange it's VERY useful to wait in the middle capture point
This video was so awesome! Loved it! Dont keep making more.
You are the only youtuber whose videos I always watch because I know it's going to be good.
I felt I needed it because I was unsure of if I was doing good choises after long moments without times to stop and think of what to do when playing spy, and I'm happy to know that the choise of Cloak and Dagger was a good one.
I love sitting in the enemy base and just saying lines while invisible
I personally like using it it to make a random player go insane while I use voice lines. Specifically disguising as scout and spamming "Need a dispenser here!" (works best on an engie)
I used this watch a lot on CTF, but found a use for it on the rest of game modes when the enemy team is spread across all the map and found myself often in situations where I was unable to find a safe spot before I ran out of cloak.
If there's one thing I love using the CaD for, it's being able to get to teleporter entrances on payload maps. Often times the stock watch isn't enough to make it there without getting caught, and once you do get there, you have to be able to see when the coast is clear to sap. There's been many times on maps like Goldrush where me getting that teleporter was the difference-maker for winning the round
love the wholesome thing at the end of the video outro :)
Its currently 10:53 pm and I am just going back and genuinely whatchting this, and….. it works. Thanks jonto!
CAD is the troll way of inducing paranoia in the another team by making disembodied voice commands
Just found thus channel and I'm loving it.
very well edited :)
Istg every video this lad makes has Out of Whose Womb Came the Ice? by Chris Christodolou and it just gives me blind pest PTSD
Great video!
the cloak and dagger is the perfect watch for cousing and controlling parranoia, you can stab someone, act like you're getting out and just sit there, wait, to stab again, if they become too parranoid, stay quiet, and then after a bit of time, strike again
Finally someone liking it, I use it with the yer as to be able to gain more cloak without outing myself
A hidden benefit of the CND when paired with the yer is that you can disguise while cloaked.
While this still saps your entire meter, it doesn't straight up barr you from disguising while cloaked, which can avoid the smoke trail of normal disguising.
i once used cloak and dagger to very VERY narrowly sneak past a demoman in 2fort tunnels and backstab him, it was amazing, i was literally practically brushing against him, very slowly moving past
I like using the CaD for what I call “cctv spy” you basically just sit in a corner and give intel to your team (and sometimes try to get a backstab)
4:19 bro got blood on his $10,000 suit
This guys music choice is legendary
the cloak and dagger, the l’etranger and the knife i feel like using that day is always my go-to spy setup
Ah yes, my favorite tool. The Cloak and Troller. Perfect to feign escapes when it's just hiding in plain sight and to annoy/bully engineers.
Sometimes the decloak volume is fucking crazy, or it spams the sound if u flicker from running out, absolute pain, basically becomes dead ringer volume half the time, but it usually doesn’t work like this
Good video, you should keep an eye on your audio levels though, music was a bit loud at some parts.
I like the CaD plus Your Eternal Reward (and letranger to reduce penalties). Gets you the chance to get behind enemies and helps you decimate pushes. Heck it even helps if you know where they tend to occur, cuz you can just wait.
I love the Cloak and Dagger! Like you mentioned in the video, I love disappearing when I'm caught and then practically standing directly in front of them whilst they check everywhere else.
Bro I love this!
Just being a menace to engineers with the cloak and dagger brings me great joy
I think getting the Cloak and Dagger as one of my first item drops just completely fucked up how I play spy forever, but usually when I play spy I just do it to fuck with people and the C&D is amazing for that
I also find that while I probably can’t land a stab to save my life I can evade a chasing enemy like it’s no big deal
It’s a cool concept of how you can essentially go spectator mode with it and pull out the occasional shenanigan to make someone go crazy
The cloak and dagger teaches you subtlety with your movements and positioning, and how easy it can be to take advantage of both when you are active and smart