How much power does a 4AGE 20v Blacktop make?
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- After a good 10k miles of break-in, the engine is ready for a dyno baseline. Temperature was 80f/26.5c. Only modifications to the engine is AC delete and, 100mm trumpets. It was great to see the pipercross air filter not affecting the power very much!
Final power output:
135whp with pipercross filter
136whp open trumpets
Man, i love that engine sound.
No matter how much I hear, I want to hear it more.
0:47 I never thought I would hear the sound of Takumi’s 86 again
Got dayum that engine sounds amazing. Nice power out of that small engine. 136 at the wheels means its's making almost 100 HP/L at the crank! Awesome videos.
Yeah, it did pretty well! Now that i know it's pretty healthy, i can't wait to really make it scream and compare it against a b18c5!
130HP. And 30HP on engine
Total 160HP
@@bangraffa2904 That's a lot of power from an N/A 1.6 engine.
Takumi legendary 4AGE 20V lives again!
Eyyy!
In fwd this time lol
It's amazing that an anime like initial D managed to get the accurate engine sounds...for this, the skyline, the rotary rx7s, and others. 😍
@@ShanMichaelEscasio They took sound bites of Keiichi Tsuchiya racing by in the cars to get them spot on.
Takumi had Silvertop witg ecu mod that ecu can make over 11.000RPM
No surprise on the air filter. The whole air filters are restrictive hype is nonsense. No benefit running without them unless you want to take photos of the trumpets :) loved the video. Great power on the BT, means it's nice and healthy and ready for upgrades. Looking forward to more vids.
+driving 4 answers the restrictive hype on some filters is true! I ran the red UNI filters and they choked the engine, huge difference after I removed them. I suspected the pipercross had little effect on power because there was hardly any difference with it installed vs running open trumpets. I'm excited about doing power upgrades!
Interesting results. There is definitely a ton of hype around air filters and intakes in general, but ITBs is its own world. I'm sure there are some bad egg filters for any setup, but for the most part they won't hurt power in most applications that aren't insane.
what size cams are you looking at going with as it would be really intriguing to find out how driveable you want the car to be. Maybe running 300 degree duration cams might be a little excessive but man it would sound good at 9900rpm.
driving 4 answers filters can get in the way of jet changes .... Filters that trap particles as small as 4 microns are restrictive. Just facts from the performance lab techs.
Where did you get the Gts lettering pls the link.... Would be nice of you 👍🏽nice engine cover 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
man that sound is eargasm
i grew up with initial d playing in the background always - the downshift noise literally brings me back to 10 years old
This video almost brought a tear to my eye, the sound of that first pull reminded me so much of my mk1 xr2 with twin 40's on, this revved forever compared to the old 1.6 crossflow.
My god that low rev grunt is the sound of heaven to me. :')
I feel it man I have one of these engines and daily driving my Corolla is amazing
ur vids are my favourite to watch shrt to the point and no clickbaits keep it up
Did you see that your footage was used in the latest Visio Racer video about best Toyota engines? How awesome!
+802 Garage just checked it out, looks like he used my 16v footage and the 20v footage. Pretty cool! Wish they would let me know when they use it, I always seem to find out through other people that recognize my stuff lol.
Yeah def the sort of thing it would be nice to be informed of at the least. Nice he puts your name on screen, but it would be nice to get some more "advertising" from it as well. Still cool!
seriously Your videos About this 82 are freaking good !
And I like every detail you make !
See ya !
thank you!
blakslayer checked out your channel love your car
Thank you CJ John !! this year is getting more awesome stay tuned ! :)
Unlimited Power 🌩 Nuff Said! I’m sure an old Hyper-Rev mag would have a lead on some TRD-TOMS cams 👍🏿
Nice video. Can’t wait for your videos with upgraded cams and stuff. As long as your cams are below 9mm lift and if you don’t plan to rev over 8500rpm, stock valve springs will be fine. But better to be safe than having a valve float at high rpms.
Also, it would be great if you could do a dyno comparison video with different length trumpets. I believe shorter stacks gives higher hp at higher rpm vs higher torque at lower rpm on longer stacks. Let’s see how it goes.
I'm going to swap the springs and valves because i would like my 4age to rev to 9k. That's a good idea to test the different length trumpets, i just have to get a set of short ones. I'm waiting on some part suppliers for the time being.
I’m making it happen! Expect a direct dyno comparison of 100mm, 75mm and 50mm trumpets in about 2 weeks.
Awesome bro. Can’t wait to see the results.
Hi very nice videos, I like them and the quality and the approach.
The only thing that misses in my opinion is dyno sheet overlay when doing comparison runs ;-)
Keep going, nice to see how you enjoy the mechanical pleasure of "sympathic" cars :)
Thanks for uploading! I miss having that sound behind my head in an AW11.
I am in love with that engine 😍
Best engine sound!
That's cool I haven't seen a fx16 in close 20 years
pretty good power for a car that light must be blast to drive
I just picked up an 87A couple days a few days ago that is so solid I can't believe it my friend's a mechanic it needs a couple of little things to it's been under a tree for like 8 years and it looked green and moldy but I cleaned it all out not final yet and it absolutely looks great no rust throws white with red Tran like yours it would be nice if you could give an idea about parts prices that would be great and I appreciate your Videos
Great noise haha :) I had an EU spec ae92 GTi with BT20v and C56. 133whp on a dynojet with OEM airbox and 145whp with the OEM airbox and trumpets removed and replaced with TTT 75mm stacks. Such a lovely engine !!
Old girl has it rough. It will live on forever.
my plan for 2022 is to get my stock 4age ae80 for dyno test after $1500 modi done my mid of this year. cant wait!
Cant wait to see the camm upgrades
How much power did it make bro...we Google to read and you tube to listen
+1 Subsriber. Your car is goals for me, especially as I'm just getting my first car and have fallen in love with 82's and 86's.
That sound has got to add at least another 100hp.
Can’t wait to put my blacktop in my 86 coupe
The sound and response is extraordinary.
Best 135hp car ever
This makes me want a car with ITB's
They spoil your ear drums :)
4AGE, 3SGTE AND RB26 has ITS's but you may need to modify the 3sge to get the ITB on it tho
this just makes more more motivated to put my 16v blue top in my AE82 faster, i'm shooting for 160 WHP N/A with a over bore to make it a true 1600CC.and then maybe push to 200 or 250 via a turbo. and that is all i want.
So when will it rev to 11,000? :D
would be neat to do back to back dyno pulls with different length/diameter velocity stacks.
Guess what bud, that test has been done and the video will be up in a weeks time 👍🏻
Howzit buddy
What were the KW and NM figures on the dyno sheet
Irfaan - South Africa
I drive a 20v BT too
Currently running :
Branch
63mm exhaust
Gasflowed head
Ported
60x 96mm bell mouth ram tubes
Valves are at three angle seating
Oil restrictor in the block
I've bored the block to 82mm with oversized pistons 82mm 40thou
Upgrading cam shafts soon and also stand alone management...
Irfaan Osman stock ecu?
At the moment yes
Where in South Africa you from?
My silvertop with a bt ecu and the same trumpets made 134hp leaning out after 6000rpm because of a bad fuel pump. I replaced my pump with a denso one for a supercharged mr2. I haven't redynoed it yet but but i installed a AEM wide band and its not leaning out anymore and pulls much harder all the way to 8600. Look into a fuel pump if your still running the old corrola one. I can repost on here when i redyno.
+SimonTrent8000 the AEM worked with the bt ecu? I thought the stock o2 was a narrowband.
I have a question. How much max HP this engine will make with unforged guts? absolutely theoretically
Hi there ! I have always believed the blacktop 20v come with 160 bhp. 🤔
That's flywheel HP not at the wheels
Uv made by far the best 20v videos on youtube. Like you have mentioned in other video. There isnt any good 1s. Could i ask for some small advise. I am currently building a bt 20v motor. And would like to know what run in procedures to follow. And what oil spec and brand do you use
I ran my engine easy for the first 400 miles or so. I changed the oil after 150 miles so that i could get all the assembly lube out with the oil. Then checking to make sure oil level every 50 miles or so and check for leaks. Then, slowly increase rev's before shifting. At 600 miles i would start revving the engine out with smooth pulls but not beating on it. After about 1,000 miles i was comfortable driving it like it was meant to be.
I'm using mobil 1 full synthetic 20w50 oil.
Thanks alot buddy. Im from south africa. Everyone here uses 15w 40 shell helix or hx7 10w40 semi synthetic. I will how ever try to find mobil 1 20w 50. Thats whats in the user manual of the car 20w 50
lol I use 0w-30 for years but maybe thick stuff will do it good for racing
How much power does it make ?
Not bad numbers. Makes me wonder how much more power I'm pushing with my mods. Tom's n1 fpr, same stacks, emanage blue with street tune, buddy club vvt adjuster, and c160 6 speed, all in my aw11
How is your is emanage doing in normal city driving?
0:46 when eternal intake comes out
Awesome sound. You could get full benefits of itb:s with higher cr pistons and more aggressive camshafts. But all in due time. :)
Gonna be putting a blacktop in my MR2 hopefully
How did it make more than after headers and ecu?? It had only 134 in you newer videos
man that is a deep intake sound
So is the grumbly sound from the long trumpets combined with itbs?
it'll make about 160 on an engine dyno
Youre in CA? Your car is so dope btw!
Fucking love the sound of a N/A
Hoping to swap this into my 85 4wd tercel this summer, curious what Itb's you running?
poppypizza hey I’m thinking about swapping my Tercel too, good luck man I have an 85 3 door hatch.
Isn't a stock blacktop makes 165 ps on the crank?
Love that link how much is the cost of that complete system
0:33 "it's not that loud actually"
0:45 "...oh"
how are you running your idle control valve? is it just sucking air without a filter?
thought the 20v didn't do so well with open stacks without an aftermarket ecu haha looks like this'll be next for me
longdongsilver you can run a breather tank filter, and it will run perfectly fine with a bt Ecu
+longdongsilver I have little filter on the idle control valve. The blacktop has no problems with the oem ecu running open trumpets.
@sushpants ? Seriously? Ok , lemme try that then
Could I just ask something, I noticed that you have the filter on the valve cover which most people do including me but I also noticed another filter right underneath it where the block is. What is that one for? the one i'm referring to is at 2:10 .
betelgeuse Star
Idle control solenoid intake
I saw some smoke coming from the back...? Engine running too rich?
Soo it only makes 100kw? Correct me if im wrong
According to the blacktops its suppose to make 120kw standard?
If i remeber correct it should make around 170ps stock.
At the crank yeah
That engine should make 160HP stock. Using the wrong fuel?
This needs twin engines. Who needs a trunk and a backseat?
The sound of the ITB tho xD sooooo goooooood
Have you ever thought about installing the Tomei Poncams?
I have, but i think that i will be installing kelford cams.
sushpants kelford ftw! 9.2 mm lift
What is the best fuel consumption of this engine?????
這是舊款的TOYOTA ，小車，小改裝車？
Very well.
Weren't these engines also in the AE86 for a while?
The 16 valve 4age was, but the 20 valve engines were in the ae101 and ae111.
you should try smaller trumpets to see if you gain on the top rpm range :D
this is going to happen in the next few weeks
nice :D
May i ask what fuel u are using?
what is that 4 gold thing at top of the engine?😅
should get a cold air intake on that
How much did you get your Blacktop for?
Do you have any idea what the power output was before, with stock manifold?
I'm going for 110mm stacks and Tomei Poncams on my AW11 20v BT this winter.
I had it dynoed this summer with a healthy 145 WHP on 102 octane, bonestock, with nothing but a Fidanza Flywheel and alloy pulleys and a 2,5" exhaust with highflow cat.
I never ran it with the stock manifold so I don't have any numbers for the that. I suspect I lost a lot of power from my exhaust, my cat is the original from the 16v bluetop. I think I will have a healthy power bump from exhaust and cams.
You'll definately feel the difference, when I swapped in the 20v I didn't have a blast on the stock exhaust system... It's pretty restrictive with its 2"ish diameter
Where can i get a 16 valve DOHC cylinder head that will interchange with the AC engine i have in the vehicle now .
that 68 firebird though...
No Honda comment yet? Power like a Honda 1.6 SOHC
Not even close a 1.6 sohc honda makes around 90 whp.
Are you going to JCCS by any chance?
+awong160 I wish I was, it's too far away from me to swing by :/
For some reason I thought you were in SoCal.
Actual start of the video: 2:27
It's 2000cc??
I need ideas! What engine should I swap in my 76 te37?!
This accelerator/Gas cable is from What?
Reymi Grullon yeah please tell us what gas cable it is from?
hi sir,can you post a video on how to fix bogging problem on 20v bt and what cause of bogging?some people said because of o2 sencor and knock sencor..i did check and test and both still function..
clean the iscv .
Would be nice if you told us the figures. Impossible to read.
So whats the max power output?
170 hp?
I think you don't have the black top but the silver top
What song did you use in opening shot of the engine?
both songs are by Misha Dioxin, opening song is Purpur
Good power
Have you ever rebuilt the engine
I did. Tore it down to the block and replaced bearings, rings, gaskets...
sushpants no wonder , nice work bro
What transmission you used
C160 from AE111 bzr- 6 speed
Sounds like Hoanda VTCE
damn I thought it makes 165hp? I know you get less at the wheels but you just lost about 30hp?! how do you avoid that? I wish this engine had better displacement
You don't avoid that, it is basic physics. A larger displacement doesn't help with the drivetrain loss
no i meant if it were a 2l it would have made way more than just 165 stock so it might have been around 200hp with about 170whp
Yeah, higher displacement engines usually perform better, or can be made to perform better, like the s2000 engine, 2l 200hp. Probably around 170whp.
Best there is, I had 2 celicas with the 1.6 16V 4age, best there is....
130hp?
goat9199 lol yes))) it have stock 165hp
@@0v3rlord there is a difference between whp and crank horsepower dumbass. Thats why yall dont own cars and comment. Stay of the car pages and watch makeup tutorials.
downhill race ready !!!
No it a front wheel drive
Ese motor deveria de generar 160hp si es el black top y si es el sirvertop deveria generar 155hp
Healthy numbers I think
I think so too. It's probably getting choked by the original cat in the car. I'm going to swap the header and get a highflow cat and then retest to see the gains.
Just keep on tuning it and don't go hp crazy. It's better to have an engine matched to the chassis so it can be driven 9/10s all the time. The character of the car is preserved. Sounds awesome! Miss mines.
Which gear box do you have in it?
+Anthony Cabrera it has the c160 6 speed.
sushpants and that's the factory one? I have a fx with a 20v silver top, and I don't know which gear box have 😅 because I bought already swapped it
Some blacktops came with 6 speeds and some with 5. I think the same was with the silvertops. Easy way to tell is where your reverse is. If its to the left and forward, its a 6 speed.
sushpants Mmm 🤔 mine it's a 5 speed plus reverse and it's down the 5th gear 🤔
then thats 5spd
Its a cool engine just over hyped. Produces not much power. I think the BEAMS is a better cheaper option and it has a 6 speed. Rated at 200hp
NISMOIZKING 20V can tune up and take cams and easily make 200hp
NISMOIZKING beams sounds like a fucking lawnmower
the waffle man a lot of 4 pots do
If powerful, small, na, high reving inline four engines is what you like, Honda is the way to go imo, and im a big Toyota fan
NISMOIZKING they make a beams FWD?
Should it not have more power?
It's right around the ballpark. 136whp equates to around 160 engine hp, but i think there is a lot of upgrade potential from changing the exhaust. I'm still using the original catalytic converter and i believe it is very restrictive. I have a header and high flow cat on order, i will install them and re-test.
sushpants yeah you could do a lot to the engine! Cams pistons ecu and so on...
I'm hesitant to do pistons because I will need 93 gas and in California we have some of the crappiest gas. Blacktop stock already has a really high compression.
I thought blacktop made 170 stock?
barry scott 165... Mass takes away more than 20% @ the wheels like 24hp
jays racing ahh okay I got you i'm used to read outs at the fly
Fair comment these are quite tuneable aren't they
im a hard honda and toyota fan and i dont see why this motor cant make the same number as honda, stock honda intake are junk gotta cut them up port them up to make good naturally aspirated power numbers