Did Honkai: Star Rail Forget About 4 Star Characters?
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- One thing Honkai: Star Rail has been known for is the sheer number of five star characters it releases in relation to its predecessor: Genshin Impact. Since the game came out, every version we've had two new five stars. But there haven't been that many four star characters in comparison. So I wanted to talk about it today!
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It's stupid that we haven't gotten any new 4 star Preservation Characters since launch
Prob because they don't know what to do because of the fulfilled preservation roster they would have to power creep aventurine or fu xuan for it to even be worth ig u could have a dot based character but it's iffy
It the same thing with Hydro characters in genshin like there only three four star and the only one released since launch is Candace
@@Nosiop09 they could've just released a 4* with a nerfed but capable enough as an alternative version of 5* capability for the 4 stars only runners
like come on, who in their right mind would expect a common 4* unit that can powercreep a limited, rare 5* unit?
This is an issue that forced me to get Gepard for 300 standard pulls (I lost 50/50 on both Aventurine and Fu Xuan). Having a good Preservation unit makes a huge difference against AOE oneshots and March is more about FUA than defense.
@@kison7715 then what would be the point for the casuals if they have a budget fu xuan that works just fine fu xuan banner sales would drop more which they don't want hsr wants to make money so that prob why they won't release a extremely similar four star version of a charcter
I just want a 4 star Ruan Mei. The only thing that sucks about Ruan Mei is that there's only one of her to go around
Harmony TB exists but it's just not as same as ruan mei
Hoyo just give us four star like ruan mei😭😭
Robin can usually fill her spot
@@elijahjarobi a 4-star. another 5-star would invalidate that
that is NOT gonna happen
@@elijahjarobi “You want a 4 star? Here’s a 5 star! Problem solved!”
Releasing powerhouses too quickly AND having so few four star characters is such a rough combo. I want more filler content with reusable assets (like aetherium wars, the museum or excavation games, or the galactic baseballer) in back half of patches, plus some double drop weeks, and I’d be happy to still invest with slightly longer patches.
Still crying and coping with wanting Siobhan as well. And would be even okay with 4-star versions of existing characters as remixed skins.
siobhan feels like a 4* so hopefully she is 😭😭
Man, the MOMENT I saw Siobhan I knew that I wanted her, I am surprised she still hasn't been released yet given her design is so clearly that of a playable character.... But, you know, Siobahn is mentioned in the new Jade event alongside many other playable characters, so that definitely means we will be getting her soon right? (Definitely not coping)
@@laethinfowler2317 she is not a 4* and will nevee be, she's a glorified npc, when a character talks in "ball form" to the player their Splash art appears, when siobhan did that on the cocktail event no splash art appeared.
Off topic but in version 2.0 when firefly talked to us in "ball form" for the first time she had a totally different splash art.
I mean we still do get double drop every patch. But its just cycle between either Plannar / Relic drop or Trace and Credit/ Exp drop. Also *4 if they dont having something niche in their kit it would be kinda useless.
@@Kindi001 bc they would get outclassed by the 5* that does the same stuff 😭 on the other hand, not everyone can get every 5* so having 4* alternatives that arent as niche makes sense too
I’m at a point where unless a 4* is integral to a team (Gallagher) there’s no reason to build them because the 5* are overwhelmingly more powerful than them in every way
the game is so hard already and relics are so tough to get that even if there were a fun 4 star unit, the loss of power is too much
I really understand your point of view, but I can tell you that one 5* can exclude the other sometimes. By having Acheron and Aventurine, you can really slap any 4* you want. I even cleared Pure Fiction with a lv. 50 Sampo once lol.
Pela, Tingyun, Asta, Guinaifen, Gallagher, Herta are super comfy in my teams. If I had Silver Wolf, then my Seele, Lynx and Sparkle could function a lot too imo, but as of now? Not really.
What we need in the future is niche 4* that can make just one single 5* extremely powerful. In Genshin, we had Shinobu or Faruzan dedicated to certain team comps. Imagine one 4* that increases follow up attacks speed by 100 and user's by 50, that would be hella strong (mind you, I was able to use Bronya, Jingyuan, Sparkle and Huohuo to 36* Memory of Chaos for a good chunk of 2.0~2.1).
@@riccardosavona5032 I really like your idea. I want to see a 4* character who does something really strong for Blade, because he's cool but he needs help if he's going to stay viable going into version 3.0.
Galag,QQ and soon to be March 7.5 are the only 4 star's I use, the main issue for me is the amount of harmony units we in the game that are both 4 and 5 star's over everything else
Pela, Gallagher, and Tingyun are the only 4 stars that are worth it even if you have 5 star options.
Herta is Herta
Hoyo still has that Genshin big three (Benny, Xinqiu, XIanging) PTSD.
I thought it was "power five"? Did new characters finally outdo Fischl and Sucrose?
@@ikec-pw5sb the three is still sss tier 4 star while fischl and sucrose really get outdo like yae and kazuha
Not really fishcl is better than yae in most of her team she doing like 50 percent damage in aggrovate team for sucrose she indeed got powercreep by kazuha@@UenoyamaRhenz
@@UenoyamaRhenz Fischl and Sucrose really shouldn't be compared to Miko and Kazuha. Fischl acts as a great battery and sub-dps, but Miko is more of a sub-dps with more damage and aoe. Sucrose is more focused of giving EM to her team while Kazuha gives more dmg percent. They all have their place.
@@UenoyamaRhenz Fischl is better than yae miko in all categories. Not only she's a better battery but she also deals more damage than her (played off-field which is the preferred way anyway)
I didn't realize this was what the problem was, but I DID notice that every time I would try to look for a team comp for a new unit, they would go "If you're a f2p use Asta/Pela/Herta/Lynx but if you're not f2p if you don't have Ruan Mei you're a fool A FOOL" and just so many team comps that are shackled to limited five stars. "Oh you wanna know how to build this new units, you should've pulled for the last one, too bad"
I'm not sure if more four stars would necessarily help THAT problem, but I can dream
I wanted to start playing the game, but it doesn't seem beginner friendly. Unlucky.
@@erbunuz158 depends on when you start. I started in the Ratio banner and since then I got many characters and goodies that are very useful because of the fact that there were many reruns of powerful characters like Luocha and DHIL. I was very lucky with my rolls but i am not f2p. More like esp + battle pass and occassionaly a 10 or 20 pull If I cannot make pity.
And some of those units are such insufferable a-holes that I wouldn't use them even if they were free.
I use Pela/Ruan Mei for Firefly/Acheron team's
@@tamaratoth8326like Aventurine
The fact that Yukong was the ONLY 4 star Imaginary character up until March 7th's Hunt form is insane to me
Short answer: more 5 star equal more money
4* cost more than 5* especially if you want more than E0.
@@hailthequeenFM Nah I got 7 tingyuns while pulling for E0S0 Black Swan and 6 qq pulling for E0S0 Sparkle. I managed to get E6 gallagher, Misha and Xueyi this banner while pulling for E0S) Ruan Mei and Firefly. I got some 4 stars from standarad banner pulling like several eidolons for Asta she is at E4 now and she hasn't been on a banner in a long while.
Its easy to get 4 stars you just can't guarantee the specific one you get but they also have giveaways like now you can acquire Xueyi for free and Gallagher is in the event. Its better than never being able to get limited 5 star outside of banner as thats where the game is going if they make few 4 stars. 1/3rd of the character roster cannot be acquired at all right now that is pretty bad.
@@hailthequeenFMbut no one is really spending money for a four star unless maybe theyre op or are obsessed with
@@kennethyoung7457Spent over 100 pulls on the 2 gallagher banners. Those 100+ pulls gave me 1 gallagher. Getting 4*s is harder than 5*s. Especially when they have very important stuff locked behind eidolons like gallagher's cleanse
@@kennethyoung7457 You could have also gotten E15 Gallagher and no copies of Misha and Xueyi. Getting 4* characters and their copies is RNG.
And you also ususally cant get them outside of banners either even if they appear more frequently. When was the last time that Yukong was on a banner?
I think they just didn't add new 4 stars since Gallagher because there's no more new characters left in Penacony who could fit being a 4 star. There's Siobhan who could've been a playable character considering there was an event centered around her but she's ultimately just an NPC. I think now that we're returning back to the Luofu, there will definitely be new upcoming 4 stars like a certain tall hooded fellow if you know what I'm sayin'.
And why couldn't they make more 4* characters for the story?
I'm holding onto hope that Sioban becomes a 4☆ when Sunday is eventually-probably revealed
@kitnal4143 probably because bloating a story with non-essential characters isn't the best idea... just have a few characters that are important and you give the most love and detail to
@@kitnal4143because it's not needed? Adding unnecessary four stars could have ruined the story
@@kitnal4143then this would've posed a challenge to the writers of how you are going to integrate them into the story without sounding forced. Most of the characters in Penacony were already introduced and pre-established before 2.0 and the story by that point was already planned in advance. I think they just realized that they didn't have enough characters to make them a 4 star, hence 2.2 and 2.3 had no 4 star drip marketing.
Imagine a preservation 4-star that gives a chance at dodging attacks. Use a skill, everyone is in the “tricksy tanuki” state. In this state, when attacked, characters have a 50% chance to resist said damage, and when they do, they gain the energy they would’ve gotten, and the enemy has a ~5-10% vulnerability debuff put on them for 2 turns. Talent could be something along the lines of, for every ally on the field, the resistance chance for this character increases by 5-10%. Ultimate could be to double the vulnerability multiplier for 1 turn.
Sick but they'd make them a 5 star too😢
Imagine if this is the planned kit for adventurine😂
Yeah, they said clearly they will NEVER put dodging in the game, they closest thing we have to missing is that stupid doll curio in divergent universe that gives you a chance to hit the wrong enemy.
@@note5068 This literally was his Planned kit but had to scrap it because it isn't good at keeping anyone alive.
dodging in a turn based game is very risky.. because then they will make enemies who can do the same thing
Considering the Trailblazer is usually used for the harmony slot as of recently, maybe a preservation character with a targeted taunt similar to March 7th's one. Last time we had a character with a dedicated "Taunt" effect was 1.0 with the Preservation Trailblazer and considering we have Yunli coming up which functions similarly to Clara there would be some good synergy there.
Well according to my dreams Yunli doesn't want a taunt support
@@MrcreeperDXD777 oh I meant in the aspect of, the theoretical preservation unit applies the effect taunt onto Yunli so she can proc the counter follow-up more frequently, I suppose it'd help out Blade and Clara out too. Only other thing I'd consider is maybe some kind of psuedo heal like Fu Xuan's schtick, maybe that might be a bit much for a 4 star.
@@PikachuRevolutionMCcould also be a 4* harmony character that gives taunt value and some other smaller buffs
@@cocoapuff_x oh yeah true since Hoyo are branching out the paths into small archetypes; Gallagher (break effect healer), Hunt March 7th (got a weird buff effect with boba), etc
@@PikachuRevolutionMC There is Lynx who does exactly that, and she is very good at sustaining, too. I don't feel the need of a preservation who do what Lynx do
This issue is not at all limited to Honkai Star Rail, but an issue with all Gacha Games, in my experience. The amount of 5 Stars, SSR, UR, or whatever is the highest rarity is tends to usually dwarf the amount of lower rarity characters. The exceptions to this being if the game has 3 star or lower characters, but the problem generally being the same because both the amount 5 star and 4 star characters vastly outnumbers the lower rarity characters.
giving me F/GO flashbacks, man XD
Cant complain TOO much (except for the absolute shit odds of getting the highest rarity characters like ever), because it is absolutely hilarious to pull and just get some random dude from history XD
Genshin could be an exception as its 4 star roster is part of why it’s still popular with meta players
@@Zemos_zermos
How is it an exception?
@@donovanlarsen7982the only time where a 4 star is very useable and sometimes can outshine 5 star in niche situations
Now look at how many teams needs full 5 stars in hsr
A 4* Ruan Mei that gives 25-30% Weakness Break Efficiency on Ultimate instead of Skill would be pretty cool to see
I believe from my understanding, harmony trailblazer does this :) I def think making more harmony 4 stars in general would be super good for the game, tho. It would make building decent team comps way easier if you could have 5star dps but be totally fine with 4star supports
@@the.bananaboy HTB only gives access to Super Break & a team wide break effect bonus on ult, not weakness break efficiency
The players yearn for Ruan Mei
@@chromiiayt3044 ah, I thought for some reason it also boosted break efficiency
0:58 Clara 4*
She is my fav 4 stars fr!! why is she so rare? i cant E6 her rng must hate me
@@minhtrile8260same fr
bruh vars choke hard. instant dislike the video
should've been yanqing instead of clara fr
@@kison7715 maybe it was just a mistake, dont get mad :/
@@kison7715 what's bro so mad about 💀
I definitely feel hsr has hit its peak
Most teams are solidified and fully 5 stars
F2p players will face alot of difficulty getting into the game in upcoming patches
If you missed out on ruan mei + one of the top dps and/or sustains your gonna struggle
Not just in end game but overworld enemies are getting stronger also
It sucks because the banners feel soooo long and i dont have the same desire to pull for every character like I do in genshin because the turn based playstyle isnt as involved enough to want to play it because its 'cool' i think firefly is the exception but shes also crazy good (like xiao jump go brr vs arleccino snap vs sigewinne being cute and able to bubble). I feel like
Before they make more 4 stars. Make it so that you can choose which 4 stars you can get on a banner. Because at some point, getting a 4 star for a late player will be hard (started late, played after 2.0, very sadge no Dr. Ratio for me)
Did u start at like the end of 2.1?
Yeah, being able to select at least one 4 star for the banners would be clutch so as to make the 4 star component of pulls less wasteful. I don't need my 13th Hook, make the consolation prozes at least useful to the accounts!
No Dr ratio? Daaamn
I think a 4 star harmony character that buffs HP scaling attackers could work. Right now there's only Blade so their niche is pretty situational so people may not want to build them but it's nice to have an option and could lay the foundation for more HP-based DPS
Technically E6 Natasha also scales her damage with her max HP but like, she’s not an attacker.
4:16 as someone whos mained himeko since launch, everything i read during that time said hook was actually the best fire dps unit at launch before pure fiction pseudo buffed himeko and before she got better teammates and relic sets
One thing that they can easily do with 4* characters is something comparable to Gallagher's situation - create or expand a team archetype revolving around a specific mechanic and add a 4* that synergizes with it (or a free character, including someone's new Path). It removes the pressure to pull for a whole 3 or 4 characters to have a complete team while being potentially more financially viable in that once you have some of the units in an archetype, it's more enticing to complete the lineup with a powerful 5* or two (especially if the 4* is available together with them on the banner, like Gallagher with Firefly).
Side note: I'm wondering if they're planning to do something with Additional DMG, cause originally we got a bunch of characters with it in 1.0 and then almost nothing up until Robin who deals almost all of her DMG as Additional DMG, and now we also get Jade and March 7th.
Where is the genshin crossover, I want fischl to delusion the nameless
True 😂
Fischl again will be boring . Honkai Impact first
we already have argenti, no thanks🤭
She'd probably be because she's a great supporter in Genshin impact a great support in honkai Impact so she would probably be a great supporter in star rail .
I want Fischl and Keqing again.
people wanted more *4 characters yet they also don't want their favorite become *4 characters
This.
Things I would like to see are someone to give a taunt on your allies such as fire mc taunt and not like March 7th or Lynx increase aggro. Another one is aoe attack down debuff. Then, the final one I would like to see increases the speed of summon allies such as lightning lord or numby. These don't have to be 4 stars. I would like to see them in a kit rather than 4 dps in a row.
an attack down debuff would go super hard in harder versions of SU/DU if the numbers are high enough...
A Preservation or Nihility 4 Star that reduces enemy attack the more units they hit would be sick. Especially if they go to the preservation route, there they could also give them a shield that can receive more damage the more allies are hit, perfect for those bosses that throw aoe nukes and helping to keeo your more squishy units alive.
A Preservation unit that applies a 1-Turn (enemy turn) ATK debuff that then shields allies for a proportion of the damage dealt by the debuffed attack (post mitigation so it doesn't get too wild). That'd be pretty neat.
Or a taunt ult (so there's some downtime in it) that then allows allies to be shielded based on the number of hits the taunting character takes (emphasizing low speed for once).
Attack down debuff is called e4 Luocha. Topaz already boosts numbly with basic attacks, but I agree with Lightning Lord. Jing Yuan is cooked :(
@@gtgtgtgtgt123456789 Luocha sure is a weird Preservation unit, lol. If an attack debuff is attached to the E4 of a 5* then practically speaking it doesn't exist in the roster.
Fun fact all the female 2.0 onwards outside of the free hunt March are all 5 star
We only got like 2 4 stars in 2.0 patches till now
Hoyo knows that Waifu sells
@sakiamira It literally is an Waifu company since the start
@sakiamira they even showed one of them naked outside of E6
You get a new free 4 star but she's trash lol
I'm really hoping that Shioban is revealed as a 4☆ when Sunday comes out eventually
I remember seeing Hoyolab actually asking if no new 4 star was okay, and most of the sub that I could see was pretty chill with it
I'm a new player, so I'm going into this video pretty blind, can't wait to hear your perspective
The thing is, not everyone is going to be able to get that specific 5* they need so it can ruin gameplay for them. The lack of 4* puts casual players and F2p's in a tight spot(like he said with the enemies getting progressively harder to beat). It's also not like the 4* supports are helpful with most of the new cast anyway.
Another problem is March being the only 4* preservation. She's your only option for a shielder or tank if you don't have Gepard , Aventurine or Fu xuan, unless you rely on healers.
@@AleroBinitie-c4q It takes a lot of grind to make even 5* units usable. Can't imagine putting that much effort in a 4*, as they will always be just a stopgap. So it doesn't surprise me people don't want them. I do agree we need a real 4* preservation unit though, the only problem is, I don't see how they can make it weaker than current preservation units and still viable at the same time.
Imagine taking March 7th or the Fire MC as your only shielder against the swarm.
If only they stopped releasing so many damage dealers. if the game had 3 DPS and 12 situational supports I think it would be in a lot better place.
@AleroBinitie-c4q Oh yeah, that's pretty true. I guess there's always Prevervation Trailblazer (who is technically a 5*, so you still have a point about 4* Preservation rep), but I bet not too many want to invest or waste a team slot on them
Similar story with Abundance characters, since I believe there's only 3 4*s (Natasha, you can get through playing, and Gallagher, who is pretty decent, but came REALLY recent and Lynx, who is also free, with a bit more effort (I have no clue how to use her kit))
4*s tend to work better as supports, but it doesn't seem like there's too many... actual supports, or ones that people want to invest in, anyway. There's Tingliu, who most consider to be super-helpful, and Yukong, but she's more of a right-time-right-place character for her buff, and so I don't see people building her that often, there's also Asta, who most people use exclusively for the speed buff, and I can't remember any other Harmony's from the top of my head.
A few 4*s have a pretty good niche, Xueyi is a pretty decent breaker, that I see people (and me) use for example.
And usually most of the 4* characters need certain 5*s to be properly supported, like... literally all Nihility characters (Luka and Sampo are currently coming to mind) really need Kafka or Acheron to be all that useful, Xueyi is neat, but having Imaginary TB and/or Ruan Mei is even neater. Herta is pretty cool as an Erudition follow-up attacker, but she's much better with a 5* Topaz.
Some of the early 4* you get are pretty bare-bones, too, there's a bit of power-creep even among the 4*s
(Sorry if my rambling makes no sense, I'm not entirely sure what my point is, just know that I understand what you mean)
Don’t go to hoyolab for opinions ngl they are extremely bias and wont give you any meaningful or thoughtful answers only answers that will paint hoyo in a good light
@zerovking7629 that's true, it's just a general observation from me
Because and let's also be frank: most players do not have the resources to build both 4* & 5*. By the time someone gets all the mats for skills, the average player is going to be stuck in relic mines to get decent to good relics to use these characters. If the average player gets just 1 copy of a 5*: that is going to take up a good minute. Outside of the core 4* from launch and Gallagher, I'm still going back to others to work on them to get them up to snuff. 4* need more work generally.
There's also the story: HSR does emphasize it's character roster far more as characters are more likely to pop-up again, especially the Penacony cast as the only native member to come out in 2.x thus far is Robin. Meaning that a lot of the Penacony cast will pop up much like Argenti does. Genshin can make a lot more 4* as often said 4* will play minor roles and generally pop up for b-plot stuff. And then there's the fact that HSR will make 5* version of 5* down the line as well, which only adds to the idea that making more 4* for the sake of making of them isn't helping, especially when the only way you're guaranteed one is off event rewards, so there's the chance even if they put out a new 4*, someone could get the limited 5* without ever seeing the new 4* on that banner.
I mean if you manage your resources than you will absolutely have resources for 4 and 5 star characters. If you are f2p you can only guarantee a 5 star every 2 patches and you can build a character in 3 weeks at most without counting resources you got from daily training, events, simulated universe, freemium battlepass and MOC shop. My Gallagher, Guinaifen and Pela are no where near max traces but they serve me well with lvl 70 lightcones and allow me to 3 star MOC 12 multiple times by now.
@@kennethyoung7457 First of all, you are pretty much guaranteed a 5 star EVERY patch (2.3 for example gives you enough for 82 pulls as a F2P). Second of all, just because you "manage your resources" does not mean you have enough to fully build a character. Why? because you need to farm for relics. Now if you're the type to build a character and stop when you have the main stats on the relics, sure you can build multiple characters. But if you don't want your characters to have 120 speed and 30% crit rate, you would spend all your stamina on farming relics for those characters. Also using Guinaifen and Pela as an example for not needing alot of resources to build is kinda dumb, considering they came out nearly a year ago and are some of the easiest characters to build.
But what if some of those 5*s were 4*s instead?
@@gmoney9469 they would still be hard to build. Look at Xueyi and how hard it was to build her before break meta.
@@Sourman433 If you manage your resources than you have enough to build a character thats just a fact if someone waste their resources trying to farm perfect relics before they even build their characters to minimum thats on the player. We get around 50 fuel just lvling up our trailblaze lvl and millions upon millions of credits just doing the story
You don't need perfectly rolled relics to complete content especially during superbreak meta, I only have one relic in total with more than 7 spd on it and its at 8 spd on the thief set I got from an Echo of War boss. My best crit ratio is probably 80/126 on Clara. I full starred every MOC and PF so far with E0S0 5 star characters and of course Guinaifen, Pela and Gallagher. You can't even field every character anyway so they can share relics. You don't even need to have perfect sets its nice to have them but if you get a good substat relic off set it is still a good relic. Not saying its not expensive to build a character it is but you're making it sound like it take months to build a single character when that isn't true.
I like the pace of release because it allows us to E6 4 stars.
I was going to comment the same thing.
Expect Yukong who is barely in any banners
Oof True, till today i dont have E6 Yukong, Hanya, Or Arlan. The good side is i barelly use them anyway, Maybe Yukong if i wanna do some Funny Stuff since Yukong dmg kinda decent at E6.
@Kindi001 the problem with hanya is that she's a worse sparkle and the only unit that wants her is DHIL if you don't have sparkle.
Agreed, E6 March 7 is very nice.
The best thing they could do for supports is that they do something similar to a 5 star support but worse so the player can get a worse version of the five star if they don’t get them
4 stars are a way for the devs to test mechanics before they create a 5 star to make sure it's worth buying
Xueyi in nutshell . 5 star version of her is Firefly
@@Cuddle_with_FurinaLingsha with Gallagher too
Honestly Preservation has been neglected in general, not just 4*s. There's only been 2 Pres chars introduced since launch (both 5*s of course) and 5 total, which is the least of any Path. And honestly Abundance is going to be in second to last place after 2.4, with only 6 chars total and 3 5*s, so this seems like a sustain issue, not just a Pres issue. It seems like Hoyo is neglecting sustain units and focusing more on offensive units in V2 (in particular, Destruction, Harmony, and Nihility have gotten the lion's share of the new units) and things are starting to feel very imbalanced.
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I hope they make March one of the most overtuned, powercreep immune DPS units to date, just because it'd be really REALLY funny.
Nah fr
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Sadly no, honestly wished she was just to see the shitshow that would start from it lmao
@@lnconstruct I mean, not too late to get a coincidentally perfect support for her
You are on to something here.
@@randomsnapperson8008 I mean she kinda is, she get stronger the more ally attack, so any fua unit in the future can benefit her
I want to see a 4* Preservation who can shield everyone with their skill like Aventurine, except to keep it at 4" level, maybe don't give everyone a shield at the start of the fight and instead maybe give a buff to the team while shielded. This is a blessing, yes, but I'd like to see it in an actual kit.
Edit; Yes I know Aventurine buffs effect res, but maybe this 4* unit could possibly buff something else like Attack.
Bruh, if a character like this existed, they would be better than Aventurine. I'm pretty sure there are only two characters who can shield the entire team with one ability - Aventurine and Gepard (I don't count Preservation TB, because their shield is super small and insignificant) and I'm pretty sure March is the only other shielder. A shielder who can shield the whole team and provides an attack steroid would become an instant Tier 0 character, unless shield and/or buff were so small they wouldn't matter. I would imagine Diamond from IPC could have a skill like this, not a random ass 4* unit.
maybe they can increase the team's max hp instead so it's not too similar and also that Blade finally has a dedicated unit for him
That's unfair for Aventurine havers that bec with that kit, it's better off a 5-star. Sure a 4 star with team wide shield but that's it, no buffs. Or A mid level self def buff as skill then team shield as a low cost ult.
Isn't it a fire trailblazer? I always consider them as discount aventurine. The taunt, dmg mitigation & lil shield for everyone are enough to keep the teammates survive to do some damages, too bad the hmc version is too good. 😅
@@fri-cd6xy Fr, people keep saying they want a f2p 4 stars who could shield the entire team, through skill, while tb do exactly that
I think a space that is under explored are different techniques. 5-stars hug all the good ones. Acheron's technique could have been on a 4 star to make it accessible to more people. Something like Sparkle's or Seele's which are both great techniques for maxing out the trotter catch adventure game in simulated universe could also be used on a 4-star etc. We may not have exploration the same way as we do in genshin, but there's still space to explore. It shouldn't hurt hoyo to give some of the more interesting ones (like Topaz's as well) to 4-stars. Also a good way to do 4-stars would be to focus on utility and then maybe later replace them with better 5-stars, sampo to black swan and hanya to sparkle are good examples, but we need more 4-stars first, before we get the better 5-star versions.
An idea I had for a 4 star preservation is one who leans more into the classical tank archetype, so one who still needs a healer, but in exchange has either big buffs or big personal damage, like give 'em a boost when getting healed or something, or even when ran alongside another tank. Is it going to be meta-breaking? Probably not, but as long as it's viable it could be a fun strategy.
We have a character like that, Clara, but the thing is that in classic RPG it doesn't matter how long it takes you to kill something. You just have to outlast the enemy. There are many videos of people soloing bosses with Clara, but it's the time needed to kill them that is a reason people prefer using units considered meta. Preservation/Healer characters often double as tanks, because you can't really afford having two of those if you want to clear stages in under X rounds, since you need a DPS and preferably two supports or a support and sub-DPS to do it efficiently. Also, there's really no need for a classic tank, since tank's role is to soak damage and provide crowd control that allows you to win the long game, but nobody wants to play the long game. To clear MoC, PF or whatever, we just need enough heal/shields to not get one-shot. If the game was slowed down, enemies were dealing way more damage and the content weren't purely speed-based, there would be a reason to build a character like this but otherwise, there's no point.
Ngl all the 4 stars abundance can sustain your team perfectly without a preservation, there's no point adding that kind of character as you could just use a harmony or nihility instead
In general, 4 stars should just *have* niches. Silver Wolf applies any weaknesses? Give us a 4 star that *only* applies Lightning, or Ice, or Wind weakness. And so maybe a 4 star will not be best in slot, but it will be viable.
Another solution is giving us high-investment 4 stars, like a Fu Xuan lite that needs wild substats and speed tuning to work, like if Yukong was a sustain.
I don't care if their four or five star just need their kit good...
Yeah
The thing with me is that I’d rather have quality 4* than quantity since sure with genshin they may release 4* in a more higher rate but there is a problem with that since look at characters like kaveh since the pool is so bloated that there wouldn’t be a space on the banners for him to be there. And in a way it would be “easier” to get the eidolons levels of 4* characters since they would need them (Gallagher), and this doesn’t even count in how hsr gives selectors that give you the option out of a pool of 4* which is more easily accessible.
This. Even if they release 2 4* every patch just like 5* if only 1 out of 10 4* released are good its no different than only getting 1 new 4*. Granted when even the few 4* released aren't good it still hurts. I would much rather get Gallagher level of good 4* even if we'll only get them once every 3 months.
4 star tank?
March: You know this guy never used me on combat. OMEGALUL
March can solo sustain but I wouldn’t call her a tank. She’s more of a Jack of all trades sustain, especially at e6 where she gets the ability to heal.
I am not against the option of having a 4-star character that is "weaker" than a 5-star character of the same niche/kit.
Like how we got Sampo > Black Swan, it would also be fun if there's, for the sake of this argument, a 4-star version of Kafka whose DPS relies on forced DoT activation or something similar. Or a budget version of Fu Xuan who can reduce incoming damage, yet provides a little less buffs than her for the sake of the rarity difference. Just make their kit good enough and be usable.
Obviously, there would be some major differences so that the identity of the 5-star is compromised, but having 4-star options for *all* available niches would be nice for F2P players. Case in point, we still don't have a 4-star whose speciality is Follow-Up Attacks as far as I am aware. Or, as pointed out in this video, Preservation units that can provide total team coverage/sustain.
Just for clarification, Preservation is still missing three elements... Wind, Lightning and Physical.
I got Ruan Mei, Firefly, and Boothill on the HSR welkin and getting the Battlepass for those stellar jades (and I just decide I wanted the other resources) and just destroyed all my saved up stellar jades to do this. If Meta changes again too rapidly, I'm just gonna quit. Oh, also I didn't have a Pela until some recent banner. I was getting so sick of "just use Pela," "just use Ruan Mei," as a relatively new player. This game feels five star unit locked and particular four stars feel banner locked. It's been hard since I only started this year.
They should definitely release 4 stars that help old units instead of pushing new meta characters since they're just going to be busted anyways.
Some ideas include 4 star buffing Yanqing / Arlan with a "don't get hit" niche, or the opposite like Blade / Clara who wants aggro or split damage etc
Id love to see a 4 star get a "blood bond" esque ability. The idea behind that being that if you could have a 4 star that could let enemies take shared damage to a degree of course, they would naturally be viable on their own as a solid DPS increase but also function to elevate all Hunt character (Which really only have Boothill, Ratio, and Topaz as viable picks atm)
Iirc Seele is still very strong with the right setup.
Personally, when I think 4*, I don't think "weaker kit", I think "simpler kit". I actually think 4* and 5* should be similar in power, but 4* have easier kits.
That's why Albedo feels like he has a 4* kit to me, he's very simple. Meanwhile, Lisa sometimes feels more like a 5* because she has a difficult kit to play.
Playing on the idea of multiclassing between paths, an idea I had for a 4* preservation unit was a pseudo harmony shielder, who gave shields that could allow characters to deal extra Quake Damage per attack. The shield would be on skill and only on skill, to balance the obvious power of a harmony-tank, and would be a blast shield to make it a little less powerful again. While shielded, the characters could have very minor buffs to atk, def, or damage%. I was also thinking that the shields could have large bonus scaling based on character spd or action advance, to incentivize seelee, yanqing, sushang and even dan heng comps, and maybe even have an a6 trace that extends shield buffs if they take an extra turn or have spd above 160. The ult can be a simple 2 SP generation with minor damage at 120/130 energy cost to offset how much SP this character would consume. They would end up the most sp negative of the shielders, but would hopefully make the older hunt teams more viable through this kit.
This is quite frankly the main reason why I don't like star rail as much as Genshin - I prefer quirky 4* units genshin pumps out that can work when trying hard enough, unlike getting double 5* every patch in HSR way.
As for niches, I'd love to see a 4* preservation who has some energy regeneration ability, a small one, but hey, since Huo Huo as an abundance can buff attack and give energy alongside big heals and all, then why not give 4* units two things to do/provide for the team?
Thanks for finally talking about this Vars!
We desperately need 4-Star characters to fulfill roles that are locked behind Limited 5-Stars:
- DoT is useless if you don't have Kafka
- FuA needs an entire 5-Star team to work
- Break Teams have about 80% of their efficiency locked behind Ruan Mei
- No 4-Star Preservation option besides March
- etc....
I want a 4 star that can fill Ruan Mei's niche so Firefly is less dependent on her, Asta is decent with Firefly but she isn't quite meant for it. I'd also like a 4 star preservation character because March 7th is the only one, and its the least represented path in general.
I really felt this when I came back to the game in 2.0 for the story after a long break. All my teams were irrelevant, and only after now, after getting Black Swan, Luocha, Aventurine, Robin and Ruan Mei do I feel like I can go back to my original policy of pulling characters I like for story reasons rather than purely for meta. Granted Aventurine is luckily also the best written character in Penacony haha.
I feel like we could have a 4 star be a 2nd super break enabler. If we keep getting break meta characters, we'll need another way to get superbreak unless hsr insists on only have 2 characters that can superbreak
I think having a 2nd kafka would be nice but since it's a 4 star, it could just detonate all the dots with no refresh
and yeah, a 2nd preservation 4 star por favor
We absolutely need a 4* tank and even another 4* break support now that there are 2 premium break DPS characters but only enough supports to fill out one break team
I really like how in genshin, the power 5 are an easy way to assemble a team for a new character you just built, a new dps for example. But when I pulled Acheron, I needed to assemble a completely new team I'm still not finished with. The endgame burnout is already hitting me, sadly.
it's like they're intentionally trying to reach that point where 5-stars take years to get their re-run due to there being only two event banners at a time
i feel like sparkle, silver wolf, and blade should either be 4 stars or have a 4 star counterpart to make a power 5 for hsr (bc they’re not broken but they’re better than some others). the remaining 2 would be harmony mc and xueyi.
I feel like my issue is actually most used 4 stars were either in a really popular banner already like Gallagher or ran like a lot like Pela. So a lot of people actually has eidolons of these already. Tingyun is prob like the only exception but she is literally the only one. We really need more back to back.
There is so much stuff they could try out with 4stars: A damage dealer that converts defense into attack, A support that gives damage boosts when an ally gets hit, a nihility unit that extends a specific DoT duration...
Also 4 stars really don't need to be meta at all, just alternatives to certain playstyles. Rn for example if you want to play Topaz you have to use another 5 star bc there is no other 4 star FuA character that can help her. Herta and Xueyi's kit don't synergize with Topaz well at all
i mean you have the free dr ratio, and id guess the upcoming alternate march 7th would work together as well
I said on the blade video about a unit that made everyone share the damage as a suport for blade/clara, that would be a great idea for a 4* preservation in my opinion, it woulnd straight up negate the damage as it woulnd be a shield, but would make sure you dont lose your Pela to one angry monkey and make life harder for acheron (as someone who lost 50/50 on both fu xuan and aventurine, this happend way to often.....)
I want a 4 star Bronya/Sparkle but for summons so my Jing Yuan doesn't clear the wave 5 times before the lightning lord takes a turn.
Also, I want a Abundance light cone that lets the character cleanse so I can keep using my Bailu comfortably in endgame content
I think that honestly, the only 4 star characters that will survive the test of time (As in, the 5 star released a month later) are characters that buff, debuff, or sustain. A 4 star damage dealer will be power crept before they are even released, and there aren't really enough archetypes aside from that. I do think that characters that deal damage AND buff/debuff/sustain will probably have their niches, depending on how much of their power balance is taken up by that damage at least. I would like to see a character that buffs unique aspects of other units, like one that adds damage to a unit that hasnt taken damage in a certain number of turns or even stacking for each turn to make someone like Yanqing a bit better, or a character that buffs a unit that takes multiple actions in a row to buff Seele back into relevance (Not that I believe her to be irrelevant, I still love her, but thats the common opinion of her atm). 4 star characters will have a really hard time performing unless they fill a specific Niche that is too niche for them to make a 5 star for it, at least for a while.
Comparing hsr 4 stars to their 5 star counterpart is like comparing hydro traveler with Neuvillette in Genshin : one has a water gun while the other one is armed with Kamehameha hydro pump
That argument is pretty biased, you compared the worst unit in genshin to one of the best units in genshin. Also, 4 stars can sometimes be just as good 5 stars (Xiangling, Xingqiu, Bennett, Fischl, Sucrose, Kuki, Chevreuse, etc.).
Even here is HSR the 4 stars are pretty good. Tingyun and Pela are good supports, Lynx and Gallagher are good sustains, Herta shines in SU and Pure fiction, Xueyi is a decent Break DPS
@@Sansrival3111 as i said 5 star equivalent(we are talking about the character that play the same way here) and like it or not hydro traveler is Neuvillette's 4 star counterpart like how xingqiu is 4 star equivalent to yelan, yae miko is 5 star equivalent to fishcle, kazuha is 5 star equivalent to sucrose and xianling+ Bennett don't have any 5 star equivalents
@@kian-ganji There are situations where four stars outshine five stars though, Xingqiu has more defensive utility compared to Yelan, Fischl is a better battery than Yae, Sucrose has EM sharing compared to Kazuha's Elemental damage bonus, etc.
whats that suppose to be mean? *4 HSR has their Niche situation make them Shine like Pela being debuff sp bot, Herta a wipeup dps PF, Tingyun an eternal dps support as long your name isnt Raiden Bosen Mori, Serval that better than Jingyuan at E0, Lynx Natasha, Gallagher better than Bailu, E1 Guinafen decent debuff bot for Dr Rat, Luka Physical Break .
Fire Trailblazer decent Persevation unit, if you look at newest PF that relies on FUA March 7th and Misha is decent for this since Clara would be get countered in 2nd wave first half. Sure it wont be always average strong that you can use every content like Genshin since somehow Genshin *4 is the pillar of the game itself but HSR *4 is more niche and have their own "arena" did you Know Mischa and March 7 did clear more faster agains Aventurine in MoC better than E0S1 Jingliu with support like Pela Tingyun Huo Huo? That the funnies shit but happen back then lol 😂
@@Kindi001 and then you go to prydwen tier list and literally every single t0-t0.5 are all 5 stars with the exception of gallagher. Tbh the only reason gallagher is up there with the 5* is because of harmony mc, bruh about to get powercreep when lingsha is out.
4* are not bad, the 5* are just way better. Tbh i haven't use any 4* units aside from gallagher and herta. Even my 178 spd ting yun has been benched for months now.
Follow up funnily enough needs 4 star help the most, as there are no good units for the playstyle outside of 5 stars (ignoring Herta in PF)
Can we like get more preservation characters :')) like we only have 5 preservation and then you look at abundance and hunt....
2 5 star preservation characters made them realize "jesus christ these are op let's not make more so these sell more" so you're going to have to wait a LOT for another preservation 😭
@@Septembermoodddd I have the 2 limited 5* preservation but I was hoping for a new 4* for my friends cuz they have trouble with sustains and Gepard is lacking and it's showing (for end game content)
Speaking of you need to discuss how expensive Hydro as an element
Super Break meta is about to become a real problem as your only options are two 5*; one of which the banner is over and the other whose banner is ending today/tomorrow. Unless you hamfist an 'any team' with Harmony Trailblazer which will never perform as well.
Hey @VarsII another idea for a video is "Alternative forms, and how they can save failed characters"
I can't remember the last time I played a 4-star in any team outside Pure Fiction (Herta only). I guess i'm "supposed" to level Gallagher for the Firefly team, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
We just got one todayyy
The mix of limited 4-stars, plus the lack of reasonable f2p Light Cones just creates such a huge hole for them to dig out of.
I'll see sometimes 'oh, you can use this 4-star with s5 GNSW' or the like, when let's be real, I could get Swan and her Light Cone so much easier and more reliably than I could ever aim to get s5 of a 4-star cone.
Fr. I got into Star Rail around two months ago (your discussion videos were actually a bit motivator for me, so thx :v) and pretty much all of the 5-stars I got are support characters. My 4-star DPS characters just can't keep up with the game (I litterally used a phys Caelus hypercarry team all the way to Penacony and have a hard time with most of the endgame content). It probably doesn't help that I managed to get my account to equilibrium level 4, making all enemies significantly stronger. Here's hoping Firefly saves me lol.
Also, Danganronpa soundtrack. You keep earning more and more respect with these music choices
A 4 star with a specific niche could maybe be something like an effect hit rate buffer/ effect res debuffer. Makes debuffs even better.
I have to say even if you have some of the new 5 stars, it's a struggle. I can clear moc, pf and Apo, but only with a bunch of resets, shifting teams around and trying things out until something works.
I have Sparkle, Acheron and Firefly from after 2.0. but I keep being reminded of my lack of Topaz, Aventurine, Robin, Ruan Mei, Black Swan and Kafka. Yes it's my own choice for not pulling these meta units but I wish that the meta units I did pull worked more independently of other 5 stars (at least I have silver wolf for Acheron, and DHIL with Sparkle) and that you could fill up the gaps with 4 stars. But it's becoming more and more difficult that I already hope I like the next characters' design and play style and just pull them to not suffer anymore :D
A niche that might be kind of fun is a nihility debuffer who has a very weak debuff, but it stacks infinitely. So they are inherently a slow character, but they do great work in boss fights if you can accept a few extra turns.
Or maybe a character kind of like a weaker topaz where they follow up whenever you attack a designated enemy.
Might be interesting if they made a sniper like character who takes themself out of combat for a turn or two before dealing big damage to an enemy.
Something that might be a unique way of support would be a character that massively boosts the enemy speed stats, but nerfs their attack even more. So they move twice as much but do a third the damage or something. Well timed they can protect from big hits, or spammed they can help characters like Clara or Dot who want the enemy to have turns often.
Not having Ruan mei sucks, so much so that I just Quit the game after I lost 50/50 on her banner at 81 pity. I have a great asta for my DoT team and can clear all content if i retry enough times, but she's nowhere near as good as Ruan Mei. this video made me realise why I was hooked on Genshin for 3 years and dropped HsR as soon as the strory finshed (2-3 months)
THANK YOU for making this video. I was looking through all the characters a couple of days ago to see what niches are just empty for 4 stars and we have:
- Imaginary AoE DPS (currently only DHIL and sort of Welt).
- Imaginary single target DPS.
- Physical AoE DPS (only one is Argenti, and only 4 star Phys DPS is SUSHANG)
- Single Target lightning DPS that's not murdered by Hoyo *cough Arlan cough*
- AoE Fire DPS that doesn't rely on follow up attacks or DoT.
- SHIELDERS. WHERE ARE THE SHIELDERS HOYO???
- single target Ice DPS I guess? I don't know enough about Misha to know if he's decent enough in single target or not.
I mean, the game is only 1 year old, they will release all character you mention, it just take time.
I need another 4* Preservation to get the achievement...
4* niches,...maybe a unit that increases break efficency for a single unit, or maybe a unit that shoves your face with skill points a single time and nothing else, a character version of DDD(see: robin ult) or maybe even a 4* version of a centerpiece of a niche, like kafka/topaz/archeron.... that'd be nice
or maybe just characters who are really good at something but is held back by rng or a steep condition(qq)
honestly as long as they have one crazy function, they might get a chance--kinda like how gallagher is really good at reducing fire weaknesses, tingyun is really good at funneling energy, etc etc
I really want a 4 star version of Kafka, I didnt get her nor black swan and not having either makes putting together a decent DOT team feel impossible; which wouldnt really matter, if not for pure fiction, but still lol
@@laethinfowler2317 We have Sampo though, the only reason he can't detonate all dot is because he will be stronger than Kafka if he does. Bs+ Sampo comp only lose 10% dmg compare to Bs+ Kafka comp, so yeah
I would still love to see 4 star quantum, electro, imaginary nihility DoT characters, as I love DoT in this game and having characters of all elements from nihility. And I do have acheron, kafka, silverwolf and welt, so I am covered. But having a full line-up of 4-star options would be so nice. I kind of want a second fire DoT too cause guinaifen as a nihility character didn't resonate with me as much.
The other way around a 5 star of each element for nihility would also be cool but that's besides the point of the video :D and yes I haven't pulled in a long time and was rewarded with the announcement of Qiaoqiu as a 5-star fire nihility character, and I can't wait to get him guaranteed for some fresh air in the DoT space.
I want to see more four stars too, but I wonder when an opportunity will present itself to add them.
There are still people clearing the hardest content on only 4 stars. And most people who get their daily grind in, can get at least half of the 5 stars if they are patient
While they can release more characters, in turn based I think it's better to just make good characters regardless of their rarity
I need a good amount of 4 star units that can do what the 5 stars can but just a bit tone down 😭🙏
We are getting the first 3 star character in 2.4 Jiaoqiu!
The chef was cooked
i still remember, when i first had to build units (sampo, Luka, Hanya) i would usually never touch, to clear MOC 10/12. Getting something to work with a 4 star feels nice and now it seems more and more of a character check, than a team building check.
This pure fiction was a good example: 2nd phase was classic himeko herta and can be easily cleared but the first side just screams Argenti/Jade. I could brute force it with an acheron speedy sparkle team, but for how long is that possible? Half a year ago, we thought, that Jingliu was the end all be all to brute force and look how she got powercrept, if the enemy doesnt have ice weakness.
We need another 4* erudition unit, a harmony unit closer to RM, and s preservation unit, maybe 2 of the latter
the thing is that HSR on avg gives 104 pulls a patch meanwhile genshin is around 74 and 30 pulls a patch difference does add up also having 58/42 chance of winning "50/50" also helps so it's understandable that HSR will pump out more 5 stars I only use gallagher from 4 stars and even after from 10 limited 5 stars that I own I use mainly 6
and for 4 star DPS in genshin gaming does super good job after you pair him with S tier supports and he's the most usable 4 star DPS in game rn
Something I’ve noticed is they consistently put out 5 star versions of 4 stars. Like for DoT teams, Sampo was replaced by Black Swan, and soon Guinaifen will be replaced by the fox boy. And like you mentioned, Hanya filled the niche for skill points and then they released Sparkle. This one might be a reach, but Boothill is also kind of just an upgrade of Sushang. I really think at some point, all 4 stars in the game will have their 5 star upgrade
Your videos butter My biscuits thank you
As odd as it is to say (and not saying that 4 stars need it to become viable in the future) but characters with hyper specific gimmicks like a harmony that absorbs another characters energy to give slightly higher then Ruan mei tier buffs would work. Or a nihility character that can slightly buff enemies but then massively nerf them with the ult would cool too. Strong gimmicks with downsides would still give an incentive to pull for 5 stars since they usually have little to no drawback but they would also be powerful enough to be completely viable. (Again not saying this is the only way to make them good)
Interms of 4 star dps's, I think making their damage ceilings almost on par with 5 stars is okay as long as their win condition is higher to get to compensate. Xuyei and 1.x qingque are amazing examples because with enough effort they could still clear amazingly.
that danganronpa V3 music in the outro though.
I'm a dolphin and I honestly use 4-stars on almost all my teams. They have saved me tons of jades/money on pulling other characters because I can still clear all end-game content with them.
Notable favourites are Pela, Gallagher, Guinaifen and Tingyun
4 stars have an accessibility issue compounding over the issue of frequency and usability. We need a game mode to farm currency and trade for 4 stars,it's stupid that the most "budget-friendly" options in the game are locked behind gacha. 4 stars don't affect their sales unless they're blatantly better than a limited character in a similar niche,so they should be accessible all year round
One thing i want is more debuff supports, as of the next update there will be 4, and i think there should be more unique ones, like maybe a 4 star welt, or a character who has stronger, albeit random, debuffs, like they can put a def drop, atk drop, or something else. I feel like those could be interesting ideas
I haven’t gotten any new DPS at all, and the hardest content is super grindy without Acheron and Firefly apparently. Every friend acc I’ve checked on full clear MoC use new DPS units
I feel like they have to do this because the game is kinda restricted in how many kits you can dish out because of its simple foundation.
So they might as well not 'waste' kit ideas on four stars and just release 5 stars that will make them more money and give them time in the long run for more character ideas. But I suppose they should still release an incomplete kit at 4 stars and release the better one as 5 star to not make it too unbalanced.
i really hope that screwllum launches as a preservation character just because i need a tank unit and i like his design so much
I had this exact thought yesterday 'cause I have all but three 4-stars and I'm a F2P who's only been playing for 4 months
Idk... It has been a while since I last played the game, but wasn't March 7th the 4 star preservation character? Did they remove her or something?
I think they realised how difficult it is to max 4 stars in genshin soo there slowing down there releases im cool with it
I think to combat this powercreep that's currently unavoidable they made Pure Fiction, I was playing it today and Herta+Himeko was my go-to even tho they're launch characters, it's kinda nice to see that there is SOMEWHAT of an effort being made to utilize every unit BUT off-topic Firefly's release really pissed me off with the way it didn't allow Boothill any time to shine given that she could ignore weakness, add weakness, heal herself, boost herself like do you need any other party member at that point???
meanwhile I've been saving for Argenti instead bc I mostly pull based off of enjoyment of the character's personality 😭😭