These reviews have been SO HELPFUL for learning about all of the different watches Garmin has to offer. I am a long time runner and cycler but I wanted to start tracking more fitness data. I was so lost in all of the models and features available. There are so many options out there and it was a headache to compare and contrast them. You clarified and broke down everything AND backed it up with test-driven data. I am eternally thankful for all the work you do! I just purchased a 245 music and I can't thank you enough Des!
Wow - thanks so much! That’s exactly what I all to do is provide some explanation of the differences in all the devices available but also how they all perform. Thanks for the very nice comment!
Just got the 645 slate edition on a big discount. Was on the verge on getting the 245, but ultimately choosing the Baro over PulseOX. The GPS on the 645 is incredibly fast to lock on. Thank you 🙏🏻 DesFit for bringing this great review.
Just saw the price of the non music Garmin 645 hit $220 on Amazon after watching your video. I bought it. I appreciate your channel and the information you provide.
@@marcpeters7754 Thanks! I currently have AW2, the AW5 doesn't interest me much. 645 is $230 on Amazon now. I tend to keep my gadget for a very long time (bought the AW2 in 2016). I just worry how long the 645 would stay updated until I find it too slow.
Your videos helped me a lot with deciding witch Garmin device should I choose. I had been really confused and u helped me, keep on making new films, because u make great work. I hope u will develop your channel and become quite popular soon.
I was very close to purchasing the 245 but I didn’t know the 645 even existed!! The barometric altimeter is a deal breaker for me. Most of the other Garmin’s with this feature seem to be a bit pricier. Thanks for the informative videos, man.
hey i got a question: is it possible to skip songs/ turn volume up and down on the 245 while the music is playing on the smartphone and not on the watch? and does that drain the battery much? for my taste it drains way too much energy if you listen to music on the watch
@@geneparmesan8087 The battery holds for like 6 hours of gps+music use which is a mile better than any other watch. You can raise volume, skip tracks, repeat tracks, randomize tracks etc.
First, love the T-shirt. Thank you for this review side by side. I am planning to use the Post-Christmas sales to get a new Garmin as my Vivoactive 3 is due for retirement. I'm firmly team 645 music as it has the same sleek look but without the touchscreen (bane of my life!).
4:18 The absence of barometrics on the 245 is actually a nice feature because we don't have to manually adjust elevation corrections in the Garmin Connect and Strava which would be ridiculous to do that after every run or bike. What was Garmin thinking by provide a barometer feature on the watch which has always error?
Really excellent review, as usual. I think I'm going to be happy with my 235 for quite some time but it's good to know that the 245 or whatever is coming in the future will be a great upgrade. Thanks!
Hey man, with the 645 now heavily discounted it looks a bargain when compared to the forerunner 55! What do you guys think if you were choosing between the two in 2022? Thanks for the advice in advance.
Hey man. Super helpful videos. Cannot decide whether to get a Forerunner 245 or 645 and your vid whas exactly what i needed to help make that decision. The specific in-depth reviews of each were just as helpful as this. Thank you. Clean and plain language. Very thorough and on point.
@Arthur Tse I got the FR 245. The 645 has too many specs that I wouldn't need. Garmin Pay is not really used in Europe and not supported in my country. I need the watch for running, indoor rowing and gym stuff. I would have ended up not using all the supported sports widgets of 645, like snow sports, SUP, etc. The only biggie that made me hesitate to decide was the lactate threshold function of the 645. But being the only benefit of the comparison I rather went for longer battery life and BloodOx function of the 245. Smartwatch features and the functions and data for the sports I need it for are the same.
@@arthur5771 Yea they actually both have the identical running form analytics. The only difference in running is the lactate threshold feature of the 645. My decision is unchanged due to all the specs and techs of the 645 that I would end up not using. Therefore I went for 245 with the slightly better battery life, little less weight and more minimalistic design.
meredith davis what’s your opinion on it?? I started running a few weeks ago, built up to 5k and ran my first 10 k just yesterday. So it’s something I’m looking to do regularly now. I don’t want something really expensive but don’t want a bag of crap either. As long as it’s accurate with my run times and distances that’s all I’m really bothered about. Plus the fact I won’t need my phone for music is a bonus
Thanks for the comparison! Over the last few months I've been through the Garmin Venu (faulty HR), Amazfit GTR (GPS issues) and most recently the Ticwatch Pro 2020 (awful battery life and OS) - so I decided to look at Garmin again and through this video settled on the FR 645 Music - just picked one up brand new for £170.
@@MrBazzyK ah right, thanks. Seen the argos ones and very tempted. Can get the 245 for £187 or the 645M for £199 at the moment and really torn. The battery life on the 245 being the stumbling point at the moment, and the fact its newer hardware.
@@ianbayliss3704 for what it's worth I had the Venu which I think has the same HR sensor as the 245 and it kept switching off, I've read about this happening on 245 forums too. Not sure if it has been resolved by software updates but at the time (3 months ago) Garmin had offered to replace the watch. I've worn the 645 for around two days (51 hours) and used it for a 5k run / sleep tracking / notifications and the battery has gone from 46% to 20% in that time. I also looked at the 245 but preferred the look of the 645 with the stainless steel bezel.
@@MrBazzyK thats good to know, thanks. I'm interested in the GPS only battery life which is apparently 24 hours on the 245, so I'm leaning that way at the moment. I'm not too fussed about what it looks like to be honest but at 170 for the 645, I think youve got a good deal 👍
Alexander Supertramp battery can’t compare with fenix... with the 245 I get 5-6 days ... training everyday... and use it also as a smart watch... need my notifications
Great video as always, thanks! Are you planning on doing any videos on any more suuntos? Trying to see if the spartan trainer hr, suunto 5 or the suunto 3 is for me and would love to see your in depth style of video on them. Keep up the great work, I certainly appreciate it!
Thank you for a great review ! Is the difference on battery drain (especially when using gps + HRM + music) so much different between the two watches ? Cause it might be a game changer for me although I would prefer buying the 645... thanks !
Pebble user here, and I'm eyeing the Instinct, 245/645. or Vivoactive 3/4. The solar version of the Instinct is so attractive to me, and the classy design and big color screen of the Forerunners is as well. If they mated those, I wouldn't even hesitate.
Hi Des, this is a great video! Both these watches are now the same price with the 645 having some big reductions in current sales. I was wondering which is a better choice for a runner who is looking to get more competitive. I like the look of both and the only thing stopping me from getting the 645 is that the 245 is newer so might be more future proof. just thought i would ask as you have used them both which is the better choice now the price difference is not an issue. cheers
Looking to upgrade my 235. Trying to choose between the 645 and the 245 with a payment card in my back pocket. In the UK the 645 can be bought for £199 and the 245 is £269. £70 will buy quite a few cups of coffee....
This my use cases. "Live heart data is not possible on the 645,with the built-in watch faces. This can be done with watch faces from the connect IQ store but they may not be as accurate" I run about 2 time a weeks, almost only flat running, and uses strava to sync my workouts to. I have some stress issues, so i think to watch my pulse can perhaps be good for me. I now have the 235, and the music thing has trigged me to buy a new one. Want to skip my mobile when i run or go for a mindful walk. The pay function on 645 would be a bonus, but not a showstopper, the pulse ability is important. I have pulse band, but almost never use it, so I want the wrist function Sometime buy mistake i start a workout with my shirt touching the start button on 235, any differences there on 245 or 645? Do you think i should buy 245 or 645 ? (Just a little price difference) Could you or someone pin point the the technical differences in the differences in the pulse ability? BIG THANKS! /Tomas - Sweden
@@themanwithnoname2183 I just want to enjoy my watch even if I run just two times per week. I don't want to buy a cheaper watches because most of them look bad. I don't think that 250$ is too much if you gonna use your watch for at least 3 years.
Awesome video. Do you have some video on all currently relevant Garmin watches? I am seeing 935 at slightly higher price compared to 245music. How does 935 compare to it? I am mostly looking for music, home FIIT workout, some running, but want the analytics like aerobic, body battery, sleep tracking etc. I am not looking for super advanced running stat, or water/ice sport. Just a overview comparison would be helpful. Thanks again.
Great review !! I'm just asking for information FR 245 music, with the latest update, is it true that it can read your heart rate while swimming? Thanks for the information
Hey Des, could you do a detail review on Garmin's body battery feature? I want to see if it's worth upgrading to the New Fenix 6 which should have similar feature set to the 945. I have the 645 right now and BB with Heat acclimation sounds very interesting.
Any chance you could do a video showing Notifications and smart watch features when a Garmin watch is used with an iPhone? Can't seem to find any video showing this. thanks
Which would you get for around the same price? I mostly do trail and SkyRunning so the altimeter in the 645 may be a nice bonus (would it?) but, on the other hand, the spO2 and body battery in the 245 may also be a nice plus (or maybe not?). I really don't want to have to upgrade to a 945 to get the best of both worlds...
If they are close to the same price the 645 may offer more in the long run. Body battery actually is a nice feature but for trail running the altimeter is nice to have.
I keep looking at garmin watches having sold my original fenix. Do you think there is much chance of the screen getting bigger in January? They are a lot smaller than the Apple Watch
hey there! stumbled upon a few of your videos as I'm looking for my first fitness/outdoor watch. I am super into hiking, skiing, camping & the like and am looking for a durable adventure watch that can track altitude. I was thinking the 645 could be a great option and am looking for watches with an altimeter, however would more or less be okay with seeing my current elevation using GPS. Do you have any recommendations? Garmin has so many SKU's I feel like I'm going in absolute circles trying to find the perfect model for me (doesn't even have to be a Garmin, but trying to not get a headache lol). In all honesty, the most I'll pay is $290. Trying to avoid that rugged look of the Instict, as I would like a watch that doesn't look so rough. I really like the look of the Forerunner series, especially the 245 but feel like I might damage the hell out of it on my adventures in the outdoors. Thanks so much!!!
@Terry Stimac It does have altitude gain, just not an independent sensor to measure it. It uses GPS data to estimate elevation, its reasonably accurate.
Very good video. thanks. Question about battery life. According to Garmin website battery life in GPS mode on the 645 is just 5 hours and the 245 is 6 hours. But you mention much longer times in GPS mode. Perhaps you could clarify?
Thanks for the video. Does the 245 also have this option to map out a run? ie. if you are in a new city can you ask the watch to tell you where to go and guides you while running?
Hi crack, I'm in doubt whether to buy the garmin 735xt, 645 or 245 more than everything I need to do mountain biking, running and some trekking so I would like the issue of gps and measurements to be the most accurate which would you recommend me In your experience, if you had to choose between those 3 models, what would I tell you, which one would you choose? greeting from peru
Just to add some info here... Another big difference (at least for me it was the deal breaker) between the two is that the 245 can use the HRM while swimming while the 645 can't. PS: I know values might not be the most accurate... But at least the capability is there
Thanks for the great review. I have a 245 and luv it. One thing I noticed is when the music is playing and then when I push to start my run, the music gets dropped. Want to run and listen to music at the same time...is there something in the settings that I need to change?
This has to do with your headphones. A friend of mine had the same issue. Need to do a software update on the headphones, not the watch :-) Hope this helps
Hi, have you tried garmins virtual partner on the 245? could you please do a video when you show us how it works. I am at the momen using an app on my phone called Runtastic were i can race my previouse run. In this app i get feedback if i am a head of falling behind during my race. But because i wanna run without my phone i am going to buy forerunner 245 Music and hope that the garmin virtual partner works. Thanks alot
Hi, you say that FR 245 does not have the possibility to have the running power data but the 245 can be connected with RD pod or HRM-Rum which provides these power data. Are you sure?? thank you
Thanks for the great video!! In your experience, how accurate is the elevation data that Garmin calculates from GPS on the 245? Is it good for capturing hikes and trail running when compared to the 645?
This is the only difference? Music? I wanna buy the normal one would I be able to upload to Strava? Will it auto sync my runs? And what about replyinf to texts? Thanks!
Would you have a recommendation for someone who does a lot of lactic running, sprinting and a weekly longer run, as well as gym 3 times a week (mostly Olympic lifting). I have the 235 at the moment and mainly use it to time lactic runs and track long running distance/pace. The 235’s heart rate sensor really does seem to struggle and is rarely accurate so I haven’t utilised that very much. And it does often count my reps distance to be slightly off when going fast on an athletics track. TIA
Track distances are tough for a lot of devices, the 645 may be the better bet for you with slightly better GPS accuracy. In regards to the HR sensor, like I was saying both will be similar, but for the best results I’d recommend an external chest heart rate sensor. I have a link to my favorite in the description.
DesFit thanks for that, what about the music capabilities, I have heard a lot of issues regarding earbuds cutting out with the 645, especially when on the left wrist. Is this still an issue, and is the 245 any better? Thanks again
It seems for me that only want to use this for sports and hiking and music the 645 is in almost all features better than the 245? I am not interested in any smart watch or activity tracker features.
The 645 offers a bit more with it's altimeter for activities like hiking. Music wise the 645 has that slight edge with iHeartRadio on top of Spotify and Deezer. Other than the difference in Music, the smartwatch features are identical.
The only watch that I have tested that gave somewhat reasonable HR results for rowing were the Apple Watch Series 3 and 4. However, overall, I’d say that rowing is one of the hardest activities for a wrist (or even arm HR strap) to track. I’d get a chest heart rate strap if you want reasonably usable heart rate. Garmin devices give some additional data points like number of strokes when you are done.
Excuse the off topic, but do you think that a new Fenix model will be released this year? Sold my Fenix 5X Plus (had 2 of them replaced under warranty for altimeter and then screen issues) and wanted to buy a 945, but saw a lot of people complaining about the poor materials quality, especially the screen glass and now I really don't want to spend 599€ for it. Nice videos, keep up the great work!
I haven’t had any issues with the 945 I’ve been using, quite consistently actually, for the last 3 months. Garmin support is pretty responsive though in case you do have issues.
@@DesFit I know is responsive, but with the Fenix 5X Plus, in one year of use, 3 months was in Assistance. It's not fair for a product this expensive (at least for me) to be sent in Assistance once every 2 months and wait to have it back after 1 month each time. If with a premium watch I've had so many problems, I am afraid to try a "plasticky" one. 😁 Hope they will eventually release the next Fenix in August, at least that is what I was told by a Garmin dealer, so I will not lose more money selling the 945 on eBay.
Ho des I need help 😰 I’m struggling to choose between the 645 (possibly the slate grey one) and the Fenix 5 I’d use it primarily to trail run, occasionally mtb and more often hiking and outdoor stuff
reagan mandinguiado a few months ago I was tied between these two and went with the Fenix. More premium materials, better water resistance, open water swim tracking (was important for me but turned out to work bad) and slightly better battery life. The 645 has music option (I don’t care about it), slightly larger screen and also weighs a bit less. Everything else is more or less the same.
Hey Des, thanks for the review video! I currently use Apple Watch Series 2 since 2016, and as I am into running now (and my apple watch battery drains heavily), I'm thinking of switching to Garmin. 645 & 245 is actually my only candidates; I don't ride & swim as of now, but probably in the future. My question, how important is the barometric altimeter & gyroscope from the 645? How important is the bodybattery function from the 245? I run mostly on the streets, and sometimes tracks. I rarely runs around hilly areas (as of now). My consideration for the 245 is that it's newer, and it's much cheaper. My considerations for 645, is that it looks better, and those extra sensors. Can anyone help me? Thanks before guys!
Garmin will correct you elevation after the run is completed and if you are not running hills covered by heavy vegetation and ofcourse that the elevation gain is a crucial part of the metrics you want maybe the 645. I run in moderatly hilly terrain that is also under heavy cover and the 245 tends to give an elevation that is slightly off. Strava often corrects it more accuratly. If you dont do serious trailrunning and the 245 is cheaper go with it! I'm using a 245 and honestly if the total elevation is off with 10m it wont effect you.
These reviews have been SO HELPFUL for learning about all of the different watches Garmin has to offer. I am a long time runner and cycler but I wanted to start tracking more fitness data. I was so lost in all of the models and features available. There are so many options out there and it was a headache to compare and contrast them. You clarified and broke down everything AND backed it up with test-driven data. I am eternally thankful for all the work you do! I just purchased a 245 music and I can't thank you enough Des!
Wow - thanks so much! That’s exactly what I all to do is provide some explanation of the differences in all the devices available but also how they all perform. Thanks for the very nice comment!
Just got the 645 slate edition on a big discount. Was on the verge on getting the 245, but ultimately choosing the Baro over PulseOX. The GPS on the 645 is incredibly fast to lock on. Thank you 🙏🏻 DesFit for bringing this great review.
Sure thing.
Just saw the price of the non music Garmin 645 hit $220 on Amazon after watching your video. I bought it. I appreciate your channel and the information you provide.
Marc Peters how do u like your 645 thus far?
I really like it. It’s a true runner’s watch. Much better than my Apple Watch. I wear it night and day. It’s full of great info.
@@marcpeters7754 Thanks! I currently have AW2, the AW5 doesn't interest me much. 645 is $230 on Amazon now. I tend to keep my gadget for a very long time (bought the AW2 in 2016). I just worry how long the 645 would stay updated until I find it too slow.
Coming from the AW3, it was an easy transition. One big plus, I charge it while I shower and it always stays 90% or better.
@@marcpeters7754 Thanks again! Just bought it on Amazon :)
Biggest difference I noticed is 245 UI responds much quicker than 645. Page scroll on 245 is no stress but 645 is little slow.
Have to agree, 245 is a little snappier.
Your videos helped me a lot with deciding witch Garmin device should I choose. I had been really confused and u helped me, keep on making new films, because u make great work. I hope u will develop your channel and become quite popular soon.
Thanks!!
Super useful - think I'm decided on the 645 on the back of this :D
I was very close to purchasing the 245 but I didn’t know the 645 even existed!! The barometric altimeter is a deal breaker for me. Most of the other Garmin’s with this feature seem to be a bit pricier. Thanks for the informative videos, man.
Glad I could help! Thanks!
Definitely want the 645 for that altimeter features. 👍 Very helpful review 💯👌
This vidoe was so helpful! Now I feel like I've made the right choice of buying the 645!
I'm torn. I wish the 645 had the pulse ox sensor and the live HR on display. Can't decide honestly
Are you happy with Garmin fr 645?
Awesome vids as usual. I was actually looking for this video on your account, and here it is!
Keep up the great work, likes all day.
Thanks a bunch! Super appreciated!
I love it when I find a video titled with the _exact_ question I had. Thank you, super useful!
Sure thing! Glad it helped 👍
Best comparison between the two watches on the tube. Thanks man it was helpful for me. 😉
Sure thing! Thanks!
I bought the 245 2 weeks ago. Best purchase ever!!!
Nice!
Had mine for about 5 weeks! So worth it
hey i got a question:
is it possible to skip songs/ turn volume up and down on the 245 while the music is playing on the smartphone and not on the watch? and does that drain the battery much?
for my taste it drains way too much energy if you listen to music on the watch
Gene, I didn’t get the 245M. So I have no clue. Personally music distracts me beyond 10 miles.
@@geneparmesan8087 The battery holds for like 6 hours of gps+music use which is a mile better than any other watch. You can raise volume, skip tracks, repeat tracks, randomize tracks etc.
Great video. This is exactly what I needed. Unsure which one to buy at the moment.
Thanks! Ya, not a cut and dry decision.
Which one you bought?
First, love the T-shirt. Thank you for this review side by side. I am planning to use the Post-Christmas sales to get a new Garmin as my Vivoactive 3 is due for retirement. I'm firmly team 645 music as it has the same sleek look but without the touchscreen (bane of my life!).
4:18 The absence of barometrics on the 245 is actually a nice feature because we don't have to manually adjust elevation corrections in the Garmin Connect and Strava which would be ridiculous to do that after every run or bike. What was Garmin thinking by provide a barometer feature on the watch which has always error?
Great video and a very informative one for users who are interested in Garmin GPS wearable. Thanks a lot.
Sure thing, glad it helped!
I am on a mission to see the wood for the trees in all the various Garmin devices and found your video very helpful. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Really excellent review, as usual. I think I'm going to be happy with my 235 for quite some time but it's good to know that the 245 or whatever is coming in the future will be a great upgrade. Thanks!
Glad it helped!
very clear information presented in this video! great job bro!
Thanks!
Thank you very much for this video !
Sure thing!
Hey man, with the 645 now heavily discounted it looks a bargain when compared to the forerunner 55!
What do you guys think if you were choosing between the two in 2022?
Thanks for the advice in advance.
What did you end up with? And are you happy with what you picked?
Thanks a lot, very informative
Sure thing 👍
Hey man. Super helpful videos. Cannot decide whether to get a Forerunner 245 or 645 and your vid whas exactly what i needed to help make that decision. The specific in-depth reviews of each were just as helpful as this. Thank you. Clean and plain language. Very thorough and on point.
Glad they help! Thanks!
what's your final decision ?
@Arthur Tse
I got the FR 245. The 645 has too many specs that I wouldn't need. Garmin Pay is not really used in Europe and not supported in my country. I need the watch for running, indoor rowing and gym stuff. I would have ended up not using all the supported sports widgets of 645, like snow sports, SUP, etc. The only biggie that made me hesitate to decide was the lactate threshold function of the 645. But being the only benefit of the comparison I rather went for longer battery life and BloodOx function of the 245. Smartwatch features and the functions and data for the sports I need it for are the same.
@@merick.2299 doesnt 645 also have running form analytics? given that both cost the same, will your decision be changed?
@@arthur5771 Yea they actually both have the identical running form analytics. The only difference in running is the lactate threshold feature of the 645. My decision is unchanged due to all the specs and techs of the 645 that I would end up not using. Therefore I went for 245 with the slightly better battery life, little less weight and more minimalistic design.
Man, still tough choice for me. I do like the rep counter though.
very useful for deciding Black Friday deals. thnx :)
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Ugh, I keep watching videos about these two watches and still can’t decide. I wish the 655 was out bc I think it would be my perfect watch :(
What did you go for in the end?
4ndy123 the 245!
meredith davis what’s your opinion on it?? I started running a few weeks ago, built up to 5k and ran my first 10 k just yesterday. So it’s something I’m looking to do regularly now. I don’t want something really expensive but don’t want a bag of crap either. As long as it’s accurate with my run times and distances that’s all I’m really bothered about. Plus the fact I won’t need my phone for music is a bonus
mr smith I love it! It does mostly everything I want (I wish it tracked elevation/stairs) but I’m definitely happy with it on my runs and day to day
meredith davis thanks a lot! Deffo leaning towards this one I think
Great video, really helped me decide on which one to buy!!!
Glad it helped!!
great comparison between these two devices. you are doing great job. keep on!
Thanks!
Segments also work with Garmin segments, I usually find a similar segment as the one in Strava and I love that feature!
Nice!
You are awesome....thanks for all the information
Thanks for the comparison! Over the last few months I've been through the Garmin Venu (faulty HR), Amazfit GTR (GPS issues) and most recently the Ticwatch Pro 2020 (awful battery life and OS) - so I decided to look at Garmin again and through this video settled on the FR 645 Music - just picked one up brand new for £170.
Where from?
@@ianbayliss3704 Hi, it was via eBay, just a private seller I made an offer to. Btw, Argos are selling for £199.99 at the moment.
@@MrBazzyK ah right, thanks. Seen the argos ones and very tempted. Can get the 245 for £187 or the 645M for £199 at the moment and really torn.
The battery life on the 245 being the stumbling point at the moment, and the fact its newer hardware.
@@ianbayliss3704 for what it's worth I had the Venu which I think has the same HR sensor as the 245 and it kept switching off, I've read about this happening on 245 forums too. Not sure if it has been resolved by software updates but at the time (3 months ago) Garmin had offered to replace the watch.
I've worn the 645 for around two days (51 hours) and used it for a 5k run / sleep tracking / notifications and the battery has gone from 46% to 20% in that time.
I also looked at the 245 but preferred the look of the 645 with the stainless steel bezel.
@@MrBazzyK thats good to know, thanks. I'm interested in the GPS only battery life which is apparently 24 hours on the 245, so I'm leaning that way at the moment. I'm not too fussed about what it looks like to be honest but at 170 for the 645, I think youve got a good deal 👍
great video !!! I got the 245 music ... it’s so light on my wrist that I forget it ... no more fenix for me :)))
I know! After wearing the 245 and 945 for a while now, the weight of a fenix is pretty apparent, especially with more jarring activities.
How’s the battery and gps compared to fenix 5? I’ve fenix 5 and it’s gps is quite poor. Thinking of getting 245 music.
Alexander Supertramp battery can’t compare with fenix... with the 245 I get 5-6 days ... training everyday... and use it also as a smart watch... need my notifications
I have 645. And I'm jealous about battery that have 245.
The 645 price has dropped to nearly the same price as the 245 now, is it worth for value despite it being an older watch version?
I think it all resumes to functionalities vs battery life.
Thank you.
You’re welcome
Good one ...thank you
Great review
Thanks!
Great video as always, thanks!
Are you planning on doing any videos on any more suuntos? Trying to see if the spartan trainer hr, suunto 5 or the suunto 3 is for me and would love to see your in depth style of video on them. Keep up the great work, I certainly appreciate it!
I may try to get a Suunto 5 if I have the time. Not sure yet though.
@@DesFit Awesome, thanks for the reply! Would love to see it
Thank you for a great review ! Is the difference on battery drain (especially when using gps + HRM + music) so much different between the two watches ? Cause it might be a game changer for me although I would prefer buying the 645... thanks !
When does Garmin usually update their forerunner line? I'm looking forward to upgrading my old pebble to a solar forerunner 🤞
Pebble user here, and I'm eyeing the Instinct, 245/645. or Vivoactive 3/4. The solar version of the Instinct is so attractive to me, and the classy design and big color screen of the Forerunners is as well. If they mated those, I wouldn't even hesitate.
Hi Des, this is a great video! Both these watches are now the same price with the 645 having some big reductions in current sales. I was wondering which is a better choice for a runner who is looking to get more competitive. I like the look of both and the only thing stopping me from getting the 645 is that the 245 is newer so might be more future proof. just thought i would ask as you have used them both which is the better choice now the price difference is not an issue. cheers
At this point in time the 245 may be a better bet
@@DesFit Hi, how about now in early '22 autumn?
thanks a lot!
Sure thing!
Looking to upgrade my 235. Trying to choose between the 645 and the 245 with a payment card in my back pocket. In the UK the 645 can be bought for £199 and the 245 is £269. £70 will buy quite a few cups of coffee....
I’d opt for the 245 since it’s more current.
@@DesFit Thanks for the advice.
Sure thing. Enjoy!
Garmin products are a lot, even for entry level. They make me confuse to choose.
This my use cases.
"Live heart data is not possible on the 645,with the built-in watch faces. This can be done with watch faces from the connect IQ store but they may not be as accurate"
I run about 2 time a weeks, almost only flat running, and uses strava to sync my workouts to.
I have some stress issues, so i think to watch my pulse can perhaps be good for me. I now have the 235, and the music thing has trigged me to buy a new one. Want to skip my mobile when i run or go for a mindful walk. The pay function on 645 would be a bonus, but not a showstopper, the pulse ability is important.
I have pulse band, but almost never use it, so I want the wrist function
Sometime buy mistake i start a workout with my shirt touching the start button on 235, any differences there on 245 or 645?
Do you think i should buy 245 or 645 ? (Just a little price difference)
Could you or someone pin point the the technical differences in the differences in the pulse ability?
BIG THANKS!
/Tomas - Sweden
Get 645
If you’re only running twice a week there’s no need to blow a ton of money on a high end watch
@@themanwithnoname2183 I just want to enjoy my watch even if I run just two times per week. I don't want to buy a cheaper watches because most of them look bad. I don't think that 250$ is too much if you gonna use your watch for at least 3 years.
Awesome video. Do you have some video on all currently relevant Garmin watches?
I am seeing 935 at slightly higher price compared to 245music. How does 935 compare to it?
I am mostly looking for music, home FIIT workout, some running, but want the analytics like aerobic, body battery, sleep tracking etc. I am not looking for super advanced running stat, or water/ice sport. Just a overview comparison would be helpful.
Thanks again.
645 has been discontinued, now is the best time to buy as its dirt cheap right now
What to you think, witch is better for pro runners 645 or 245? For us the most important is GPS..
Great review !! I'm just asking for information FR 245 music, with the latest update, is it true that it can read your heart rate while swimming? Thanks for the information
Hey Des, could you do a detail review on Garmin's body battery feature? I want to see if it's worth upgrading to the New Fenix 6 which should have similar feature set to the 945. I have the 645 right now and BB with Heat acclimation sounds very interesting.
Regarding the elevation field on the 245. Will this only show altitude during an activity, or can I check my altitude if I’m laying on the couch?
If the Fenix 5 and the 245 were the same price today which would you choose?
Any chance you could do a video showing Notifications and smart watch features when a Garmin watch is used with an iPhone? Can't seem to find any video showing this. thanks
They are going to be basic one-way notifications that you can view and then just dismiss. It’s due to Apple’s lockdown on their ecosystem.
Which would you get for around the same price? I mostly do trail and SkyRunning so the altimeter in the 645 may be a nice bonus (would it?) but, on the other hand, the spO2 and body battery in the 245 may also be a nice plus (or maybe not?).
I really don't want to have to upgrade to a 945 to get the best of both worlds...
If they are close to the same price the 645 may offer more in the long run. Body battery actually is a nice feature but for trail running the altimeter is nice to have.
What did you go for? The 645 music is currently cheaper than the 245 non music so I'm in a real pickle!
@@misterwalker3598 I have the same idea.. Please respond??
@@stevenparedes2523 I went for the 645 and love it
@@misterwalker3598 why do you choose these model?
I keep looking at garmin watches having sold my original fenix. Do you think there is much chance of the screen getting bigger in January? They are a lot smaller than the Apple Watch
I think the altimeter on the 645 is the clincher.
hey there! stumbled upon a few of your videos as I'm looking for my first fitness/outdoor watch. I am super into hiking, skiing, camping & the like and am looking for a durable adventure watch that can track altitude. I was thinking the 645 could be a great option and am looking for watches with an altimeter, however would more or less be okay with seeing my current elevation using GPS. Do you have any recommendations? Garmin has so many SKU's I feel like I'm going in absolute circles trying to find the perfect model for me (doesn't even have to be a Garmin, but trying to not get a headache lol). In all honesty, the most I'll pay is $290. Trying to avoid that rugged look of the Instict, as I would like a watch that doesn't look so rough. I really like the look of the Forerunner series, especially the 245 but feel like I might damage the hell out of it on my adventures in the outdoors. Thanks so much!!!
I was so close to getting the 245 but without altitude gain it’s useless to me. 🤷🏼♀️
@Terry Stimac It does have altitude gain, just not an independent sensor to measure it. It uses GPS data to estimate elevation, its reasonably accurate.
Hey 👋 want to get into swimming 🏊♀️, which fitness tracker is best to improve my swimming ?#DesFit
Very good video. thanks. Question about battery life. According to Garmin website battery life in GPS mode on the 645 is just 5 hours and the 245 is 6 hours. But you mention much longer times in GPS mode. Perhaps you could clarify?
With and without music. I was referring to without music. Hope that helps!
I like the 245 more
why?
Thanks for the video. Does the 245 also have this option to map out a run? ie. if you are in a new city can you ask the watch to tell you where to go and guides you while running?
Hi crack, I'm in doubt whether to buy the garmin 735xt, 645 or 245 more than everything I need to do mountain biking, running and some trekking so I would like the issue of gps and measurements to be the most accurate which would you recommend me In your experience, if you had to choose between those 3 models, what would I tell you, which one would you choose? greeting from peru
I wondered . which watch did you buy ?
Just to add some info here...
Another big difference (at least for me it was the deal breaker) between the two is that the 245 can use the HRM while swimming while the 645 can't.
PS: I know values might not be the most accurate... But at least the capability is there
I don't like those aluminium bezel. I prefer the plastic one.
I was there any difference between Fenix 5 in Fenix 5+ besides the music
Does 245 have all day and sleep tracking with pulse ox, I think it's called respiratory? You know like the one on vivoactive 4 to track sleep apnea?
Can you review the amazfit gtr
Thanks for the great review. I have a 245 and luv it. One thing I noticed is when the music is playing and then when I push to start my run, the music gets dropped. Want to run and listen to music at the same time...is there something in the settings that I need to change?
Any fix?
This has to do with your headphones. A friend of mine had the same issue. Need to do a software update on the headphones, not the watch :-) Hope this helps
For tracking strength training profile which one will you choose FORERUNNER 245 MUSIC OR FITBIT IONIC or Amazefit Stratos ?
Hi, have you tried garmins virtual partner on the 245? could you please do a video when you show us how it works. I am at the momen using an app on my phone called Runtastic were i can race my previouse run. In this app i get feedback if i am a head of falling behind during my race. But because i wanna run without my phone i am going to buy forerunner 245 Music and hope that the garmin virtual partner works. Thanks alot
Des. Be great to get a full review on the 945 from you as I'm waiting for one ordered to arrive. Seems to be a hold up here in Australia.
Dang, hopefully it will arrive soon. I have a few more things I’d like to test but on the home stretch with the 945.
At 5:23, you talk about external sensors. Does the 245 play nicely with the Stryd?
Have you any experience with Applications for skiing on the 245?
Haven’t tried any 3rd party skiing apps.
Desfit, any issues with the 945? I just had to do a warranty exchange because it had screen burn-in from the stock watchface.
Haven’t had any issues actually. Just took a look at my unit for burn in and don’t see anything apparent. Hopefully Garmin took care of you.
Anyone have the 245 and has tattoos? Wondering if there are issues with the sensors. Looking to swap out my Polar watch for the 245.
Is it possible to connect these watches to both an external heart rate sensor and your bluetooth headphones at the same time?
Hi, you say that FR 245 does not have the possibility to have the running power data but the 245 can be connected with RD pod or HRM-Rum which provides these power data. Are you sure?? thank you
Thanks for the great video!! In your experience, how accurate is the elevation data that Garmin calculates from GPS on the 245? Is it good for capturing hikes and trail running when compared to the 645?
Pretty accurate since it’s based on established GPS data.
DesFit that’s awesome to hear! Thanks so much :)
Are they both equally compatible with dwmap?
Does 645 will show VO2 without chest strap? Also will chest strap work for estimations VO2 while indoor spinning? Thanks!
What sensor is needed for the FR645 Muscle O2 feature?
www.moxymonitor.com/ and www.bsxinsight.com/ are two that have been suggested.
This is the only difference? Music?
I wanna buy the normal one would I be able to upload to Strava? Will it auto sync my runs? And what about replyinf to texts? Thanks!
Every time I said 635 I meant to say 645
Does any watch recognise automatically any activities??
Yup! The Apple Watch and the Samsung Galaxy Watch do! At 5 min and 20 seconds in this video: czcams.com/video/79zZAkzqfNM/video.html
Would you still nix à 645 in 2021?
Buy
Would you have a recommendation for someone who does a lot of lactic running, sprinting and a weekly longer run, as well as gym 3 times a week (mostly Olympic lifting).
I have the 235 at the moment and mainly use it to time lactic runs and track long running distance/pace.
The 235’s heart rate sensor really does seem to struggle and is rarely accurate so I haven’t utilised that very much. And it does often count my reps distance to be slightly off when going fast on an athletics track.
TIA
Track distances are tough for a lot of devices, the 645 may be the better bet for you with slightly better GPS accuracy. In regards to the HR sensor, like I was saying both will be similar, but for the best results I’d recommend an external chest heart rate sensor. I have a link to my favorite in the description.
DesFit thanks for that, what about the music capabilities, I have heard a lot of issues regarding earbuds cutting out with the 645, especially when on the left wrist. Is this still an issue, and is the 245 any better?
Thanks again
Better to use a Stryd foot pod for accuracy.
Hello, do the black and slate gray versions differ only in the color of the strap, or are the cases also different colors?
GET THE 645 MUSIC IT WILL BE WORTH IT
hi I can find the 645 in the UK for £80 cheaper then the 245 what would you
It seems for me that only want to use this for sports and hiking and music the 645 is in almost all features better than the 245? I am not interested in any smart watch or activity tracker features.
The 645 offers a bit more with it's altimeter for activities like hiking. Music wise the 645 has that slight edge with iHeartRadio on top of Spotify and Deezer. Other than the difference in Music, the smartwatch features are identical.
645 music for £175 or 245 music for £210 ?
645 music seems the better deal?
What would be the best watch for a rower? I’ve been trying to decide which one to get for a while and wondered if you have any insight
The only watch that I have tested that gave somewhat reasonable HR results for rowing were the Apple Watch Series 3 and 4. However, overall, I’d say that rowing is one of the hardest activities for a wrist (or even arm HR strap) to track. I’d get a chest heart rate strap if you want reasonably usable heart rate. Garmin devices give some additional data points like number of strokes when you are done.
Excuse the off topic, but do you think that a new Fenix model will be released this year? Sold my Fenix 5X Plus (had 2 of them replaced under warranty for altimeter and then screen issues) and wanted to buy a 945, but saw a lot of people complaining about the poor materials quality, especially the screen glass and now I really don't want to spend 599€ for it.
Nice videos, keep up the great work!
I haven’t had any issues with the 945 I’ve been using, quite consistently actually, for the last 3 months. Garmin support is pretty responsive though in case you do have issues.
@@DesFit I know is responsive, but with the Fenix 5X Plus, in one year of use, 3 months was in Assistance. It's not fair for a product this expensive (at least for me) to be sent in Assistance once every 2 months and wait to have it back after 1 month each time. If with a premium watch I've had so many problems, I am afraid to try a "plasticky" one. 😁
Hope they will eventually release the next Fenix in August, at least that is what I was told by a Garmin dealer, so I will not lose more money selling the 945 on eBay.
Watching this as I’m wearing the Fenix 5x plus haha
Ho des I need help 😰 I’m struggling to choose between the 645 (possibly the slate grey one) and the Fenix 5
I’d use it primarily to trail run, occasionally mtb and more often hiking and outdoor stuff
If hiking go for the 5, the maps and ability to upload gpx map files is awesome.
Andrew Forrest thank you dude
The Instinct also looks good for outdoor use.
AWildBard ended up with the instinct! “Basic” and awesome for my use
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Garmin 645 or garmin fenix 5s? For 2019 thank you...
reagan mandinguiado a few months ago I was tied between these two and went with the Fenix. More premium materials, better water resistance, open water swim tracking (was important for me but turned out to work bad) and slightly better battery life. The 645 has music option (I don’t care about it), slightly larger screen and also weighs a bit less. Everything else is more or less the same.
thank you sir for your reply.. I'm getting the 5s sapphire edition.
I’ve fenix 5. It’s quite heavy. Go and try it in a store first. There’s no music in 5s.
The buttons on the 245 music is too hard to push. My former 235 had much better buttons. Why did Garmin change the buttons?
im rocking the finix 3 hr is it worth switching to the 645?
Hey Des, thanks for the review video!
I currently use Apple Watch Series 2 since 2016, and as I am into running now (and my apple watch battery drains heavily), I'm thinking of switching to Garmin.
645 & 245 is actually my only candidates; I don't ride & swim as of now, but probably in the future.
My question, how important is the barometric altimeter & gyroscope from the 645? How important is the bodybattery function from the 245? I run mostly on the streets, and sometimes tracks. I rarely runs around hilly areas (as of now). My consideration for the 245 is that it's newer, and it's much cheaper. My considerations for 645, is that it looks better, and those extra sensors.
Can anyone help me? Thanks before guys!
Garmin will correct you elevation after the run is completed and if you are not running hills covered by heavy vegetation and ofcourse that the elevation gain is a crucial part of the metrics you want maybe the 645. I run in moderatly hilly terrain that is also under heavy cover and the 245 tends to give an elevation that is slightly off. Strava often corrects it more accuratly. If you dont do serious trailrunning and the 245 is cheaper go with it! I'm using a 245 and honestly if the total elevation is off with 10m it wont effect you.