Top 5 Worst and Best Superbikes Revealed (with Aero data)
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- Countdown of the worst 5 and best 5 superbikes for 2020/2021 using wind tunnel aero data AND a free calculator
SUPERBIKE SURVEY www.cyclingapps.net/home/supe...
CHAPTERS
0:00 Why don't bike mags post negative reviews?
2:09 Audit of bike mag honesty
2:20 5th Worst BMC Teammachine One 01
3:00 4th Worst Pinarello Dogma f12
4:05 3rd Worst Specialized SL7 sagan edition
5:03 2nd Worst Cube lightning C68X
6:15 1st Worst Cervelo S5
7:55 Dynamic 50 bikes ranking tool
9:30 Canyon Aeroroad CF SLX disc
10:10 4th Best: Canyon Ultimate Evo CFR
11:02 3rd Best: Ribble Endurance SL
12:20 2nd Best: Rose Reveal Six 2021
13:16 1st Best: Specialized Tarmac SL7
15:30 Wind Tunnel results from Tour Mag 2020
16:05 Wind Tunnels results from Roadbike.de
16:55 Drag of Superbike vs Normal Bike
18:00 Drag of Superbikes Compared
18:45 Superbike Podium survey
19:14 SL7 Build in high speed
22:42 Credits and thanks
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You cannot beat the feeling of building your own bike or having it built to your spec
Yep..some people build then better than the actual company. Most of times you come out cheaper with your own build with the same specs and parts. Sometimes even better than the bike company..lol
I don't care what anyone says, the BMC Teammachine SLR01 has an amazing look, amazing integration, is super lightweight and is the one I'd get (in Di2 form).
Thanks for this vid. Here in the States, mags won't say anything bad about a bike until the new model comes out, then they'll say how bad the old style was. They don't want to be last on the receivership when new bikes come out for reviews. Or worse, lose advertising dollars.
So true
TCR should be No.1
Thank you so much for the excellent content! Keep it up 👍
never usually subscribe…..your brutal honesty did it for me this time. im subscribed!!!👍😊
That’s awesome video, that was my tarmac footage you used!!! So cool to see my video used, it’s very cool 😁
Thank you!! I put a thanks at the end but ill add another in video description soon. You have an awesome channel
FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! I appreciate it man, your videos are amazing I hope to get here soon, they are very in depth and the quality is very nice
The absolute best part (and most instructive too!!!) was about time 19 where you chronicle a bike build with pretty cool music to boot.
I just saw one of your videos on youtube, and find it very interesting. I looked at the calculator and find it very useful.I been riding many years and purchased many brands, Olmo, Tomassinni, Colnago, Pinarrello, Bottecchia and the last one purchased a few years back, Formigli, love to see a review.
Thanks
Great video, Alex, as usual. Cheers
This was great! Loved it!
Videos like these is why this is one of my favorite cycling channels! Lots of great info!
How About the 2020 BMC Timemachine Road 01 ? what can you say about it?
Great video, I'd like to see similar but for framesets as over time I've upgraded the components and wheels on my cheap bike and at some point the last step will be replacing the frameset. Current favourite is the Ridley Noah.
thanks, i was looking at the new canyon aeroad when released or a tarmac sl7
That SL7 checks alot of boxes. Including the new Rovals.
excellent points, I can never find the worst bike models, even with intense searching, have to go to product reviews that are critical
Thoughts on new TCR?
Does your standing change now that the Aeroad is essentially doomed to fail with it's horrible seatpost issue?
Hi, please help. I've been wanting to buy the new ribble ultra slr but I swear, THERE IS NO UNBIASED REVIEW ANYWHERE
Please tell me your thoughts
Great video👍🏻👏🏻 may i also know what is the make of the bottle cage of the SL7?
how many km you use all bikes?, Canyon e.g. sorry but my friend had accidentally, because newest aero Canyon Sram about 10000euro vibrated on 50km/h and more, expert evaluate it as frame softness .. I have never seen vibrate Cervelo, Pinarello or BMC . Thank you
So glad people like you drill down through all the details. IDGAF about all that nonsense I buy a bike because I love the way it looks and rides. And dear god never a disc brake bike and all those hidden cables and housing what a nightmare! Thank You for all you do Alex!!
How do you rate the new Canyon Aeroad 2021 ?
I think if you are more comfortable with a bike you will be faster overall
I know this has been out for some time but I just came across it. I have always bought a frame and fork and built up the bike with components of my choosing. It's certainly not the cheapest route but I end up with exactly what I want.
I currently have on order a Bianchi Specialissima. The component list is not finalized but it will be an eclectic mix based around Super Record shifters and derailleurs.
Not a criticism but just another way of doing things.
The best deal right now is probably the Tarmac SL7 Pro. Most of the important differences come from the new wheels. They're apparently just as fast in "road" conditions as the CLX64 and quite a bit lighter. Getting them as the CL range on an SL7 Pro for $7000 is still a lot but I doubt Alaphilippe would have noticed if the Pro (model) level gear had been finished like the S-Works. There are some other really good deals out there but I don't know of any better package and that is because of how effective the new Roval wheels are.
Hi, I have watched your honest review and I have a Scott bike. I was just curious why a Bianchi model is not seen in your video. I may have skipped some frames…
hmm... my dogma f12 rim brake is 6.85 kg with 60mm depth wheels
..... so i am not sure what constitute 7.7kg -7.9kg... that he got from... do u use tiagra groupset?
7.62kg in disc version see www.cyclist.co.uk/pinarello/dogma/7837/pinarello-dogma-f12-disk-review; 7.11kg in non-disc granfondo-cycling.com/pinarello-dogma-f12-team-ineos-edition-2020-review/ Did you make any modifications to achieve 6.85kg?
FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! No modification at all. Sram red axs. One bottle cage. Size 51.5, dogma f12 rim (non x light) with wheels weigh 1.45kg
My favourite bike would be the Venge Generation 4: More aero, lighter, threaded BB and the new CLX Rapide... Maybe they will bring back the Venge some day?
What is your thought of Cervelo S3 Disc? Internal cable routing and clean cockpit too.
True, but a little heavy (if that worries you)
A refreshing change. Excellent.
hey guys! Im thinking about the canyon aeroad (cf sl 7 or 8), its one of the most aero bikes for the price point (ca. 3k) right?
Yes canyon (non integrated) have come out well in tests in German mags
Have you taken a look at Look bikes? I own a 795 Blade RS so of course I’m a little biased and think it’s amazing but Hambini also seems to like em
I love my cannondale SuperSixEvo. With 105 it’s good enough for me as a beginner and I don’t feel like I needed up pay up for Ultegra or Duraace, it’s a great frame that one day I can upgrade. I do wana upgrade the wheels though, the Mavics it comes with are cheap and according to my much more experienced friends the weak link on my bike
agreed. 2019 supersix evo. literally sail past many a cervello n hits highest speed of all bikes in my group when not pedalling on steep inclines
Well said Prof about the cycling magazines although they need us to keep buying bikes and not hack off the makers for them to keep going and so they might eschew the science. I'm now paranoid about bottles. Thanks for all the spreadsheets.
I think the Xlab aero bottle on the front down tube makes my Scott Foil 10 more aero (by Hambini standards). And in 2 yrs of riding with it, it's only popped out once.
2015 Cannondale Supersix evo. Just unapologetically love it. Had a new Propel. Got an Allez sprint. Cdale nailed it.
jimmynickelz Have the 2016 version of the Evo and love it
@@georgec2894 Sometimes, analog technology works.
Agree! I have a 2015 supersix Di2 ultegra and it's an awesome bike to look at and ride! Just purchased a new topstone carbon ultegra and the supersix is a smoother bike on the road. Don't overlook the caad12 either, I have one of those and honestly is just amazing for the price!
I ride a 2012 synapse carbon a few tweaks but I haven’t found anything better so far. light, fast, comfortable, good in a cross wind and quiet all the things modern bikes are not. The venge has to be the most disappointing bike I’ve ever ridden, harsh, heavy and dull.
Currently have the SL4 and am planning on going to the Sworks SL7. I love these!!
Sl7 is a slug. My sl4 got stolen and sl7 sent as replacement. I don't want it at all.
@@durianriders sorry dude this guy is a proper honest and knowledgable reviewer
One can quantify aerodynamics. But one can't quantify handling. And when going downhill bends, the latter gains you more time saving.
Fantastic video. For what it's worth, I unsubscribed from the large cycling channel two years ago and don't miss the fluff. Your content is far more useful quality per time spent.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciated!
How about the 2020/2021 scott addict and foil? Both have some of the best integration on the market.
What's your take on the new Fuji Transonic or the Supreme... And the 2019 a Kestrel Talon X Dura-Ace!?
New integrated fujis look really nice but weigh in a little heavy (they are in the dynamic list)....but I didnt add Kestrel Talon X Dura-Ace due to lack of integration.
@@Fastfitnesstips Awesome thank you! Isn't it interesting that many of the new models are not only more expensive, but also heavier than their predecessors.🤔... Even in rim brake iteration!
What do you think about the orbea orca omx?
Love your videos and constantly objective approach! High integrity!
Any thoughts about BMC GF01? (Early 10’s)..
Not sure about that one but I always loved the sister bike to that the BMC cx01...so close to buying one
@@Fastfitnesstips got it, thx for your response. There must be some similarities so it is reassuring that you had interest in the cx01 at the very least. I really enjoy the GF01 fwiw.
Why does the system six seem to get no love? Is it too heavy? Uncomfortable?
If you build an all round bike, would you focus on aero or light weight? Can you list top, middle n low end suggestions for all rounders bike..
What price range? It depends on your riding style....but imho try to build a.bike with both aero and light weight
@@Fastfitnesstips Budget around 5k full bike for mid range n 3k below for low end
14:24 : "Can you beat it by building up your own bike? Yes you can."
How? Which frame would you choose? I want the build to be as the Tarmac SL7 (lightweight and aero)
the trick to building your own, is to source your own components at a great price (watch our video on this: czcams.com/video/_Op10bN-n4Q/video.html)
Look at workswell wcb r 268 frame sir. Chinese lightweight aero launched all the way back to late 2018
Get a 2019 Tarmac SL 6 with rim brakes and upgrade with dura ace components
@@githige Good tips, but I'm looking for disc brakes
You hit it on the head about speed. I am new to road biking and love the design of some of the bike's which are really a piece of art. I am shopping right now for that "right bike" but I keep hearing components, groupset, wheels etc and most of all speed speed and getting 3-5 seconds increase in speed ..was a WOW then WTF we doing biking buying by seconds in speed advantage? Got friends buying bikes in the $3k, $6k then $10k+ really? I am just looking for decent (carbon) frame (15-17lbs), aesthetic and great looking design, right groupset & wheels EVERYTHING else i think it is in the legs and riding experiences. Unless i am in biking to win some $$ I will have my bike custom and money is not an object for the ideal bike. Glad i found your vid bc now I get to narrow my shopping list. ;). If anyone wanted to pitch a bike to sell I am open to it. ;)
Please do a similar video for TT/triathlon bikes
Yes, yes, yes! I swear my old tear drop design SHIV cuts through the air cleaner than these new Kam-tail designs. But that Cube TT triathlon bike mentioned in the video looks like a shark out of water, like it just wants to attack, but is it functional?
@@happydays8171 the full aerofoil tear drop design should be more stable in crosswinds and better at dealing with unsteady airflow like in the real world. The Kam-tail may work in the wind tunnel but I'm not sure it works as well as the tear drop outdoors.
@@albr4
The Hambini says cam-tail design starts to work at 48km, and crosswinds at more than 11%. That's wind tunnel findingss though, in the real world it feels different. Bike mfg love the cam-tail design because it's easier to make bikes stronger and lighter that way as opposed to teardrop design which takes more mass.
Can you review DT Swiss 470 wheels to carbon wheels plz
I am looking at buying a Colnago V3RS, how do you think that ranks in your top 50 please?
Desirable but expensive!!!
@@Fastfitnesstips Awesome thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Loving your videos, been working through them this afternoon. Keep up the good work 👌🏻
Isn't the entire aero difference between the Stevens Xenon and the superbikes made upp of deep aero wheels and maybe aero handlebars?
Keep your old bike, update wheels and handlebar, and I doubt there's more than a few watts difference.
How come tarmac is rated higher than the Venge? Also worth noting that the S5 did two solo breakaway wins at Tdf. Aero probably helped that quite a bit!
How about Giant TCR disc 2021
What can you say?
Heaviest TCR ever
My SL7 is a dream machine. You can save some money by stepping down one level to the Pro version - the Ultegra Di2 is a great groupset for non-professional riders and not much of a sacrifice to save 50% of the cost.
I agree, I built up my sworks sl7 with a 2022 di2 ultegra 12speed and I still can't feel the difference between my older 2021 11speed dura ace vs my new ultegra 12speed..if my new ultegra breakdowns I'll probably be the 1st to add a 105 di2 12speed on an s-works SL7...lol..if trek can do it on the new madone SLR then its all good..lol.dura ace, ultegra and 105 are all the same but weigh different..
would like to see comparison between the Specialized SL7 and the Merida Reacto, they are very similar and interest to know what are the main differences
I actually agree with you on the Cannondale, the only thing I don't like is durability if you crash
Best bikes : Pinarello dogma f12, Colnago v3rs, Factor ostro vam. My fav ❣️
what do you think about cannondale systemsix? love your videos! cheers!
2020 version, slick! But maybe a little overcomplicated and a touch heavy
Haha. I played with the ribble builder too and came up with a bike that cost a fortune too. I like that you can pick and choose though, its nice to have options.
Bait and switch from Ribble...just a little?
Yea same...that I have read that people are waiting months and months to get them.
@@kellrockets101 that sucks.
Hey it's Summit Bicycles - Burlingame.
I really love the sl7 it my number one to bro 👊🏽 I can’t wait to get mine 😉
What do you think of the giant propel ?
Another great review there are loads of us in our 40s and 50s leaving GCN as there content since Matt Stephens left has progressively got worse. Poor testing in gcn tech childish presenting and endless splurging of the industry marketing. Thank you , and the other channels oz biker, leuschar tech, hambini and vegan cycle for some perspective. If the industry puts its faith in gcn then it’s in trouble as I don’t know a serious cyclist that watches it now.
Brilliant!!!!
What do you think of the Parlee RZ7?
Innovative features but 8kg? www.cyclist.co.uk/reviews/7251/parlee-rz7-review
you need to add some of the latest like Willier Filante SLR, BIanchi Oltre Speciallisima, etc etc
Recommend for 2k bike plz ?
Can you have a budget version of this for bikes between £2000-£3000
Yes i try and do this this soon
FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! Thank you
Just picked up a barely used Giant Contend SL 1 as my 1st rode bike. Would be cool to see reviews in this category.
Buy direct from China and you can have the exact bike for a lot less .
@@waynesmith4589 I would be very careful buying a bike directly from the PRC. These bikes have some notable catastrophic failures.
Is it just me, or were the aero tests skewed by the results of having deeper rims? Especially the 1400g, 51/60mm depth Roval Rapid CLX
Do.you mean in our.sheet or in the wind tunnel? Basically this is true...more.deep section wheels will improve aero
@@Fastfitnesstips on the sheet. Things may be much closer than 13W if every frame were paired up with the same wheels
What do you think of the Look 795 Blade RS?
I think it is the best looking bike around.
Sorry but the cube does not belong in this video. You might not like the cosmetics but if you are going to bash a bike atleast show some hard data.
Nice review and nice countering of all of the marketing stuff being thrown at us in this big dollar industry. Just one remark though. Canyon offers great value for money if you have the skills to work on your bike. Not all of us can though. The after market service for me is also an important factor in the consideration to buy a bike. I’m not claiming Canyon does not do a good job in that, but as there is no dealer network I hope everyone agrees it is not as good as other brands on that part.
What are U talking about. I can service or set up my Canyon in any bike shop.
What about the Rose xlite 6 disc?
I was hating on Spesh for a while until I tried the SL6 disc. To me, they finally put it all together. Best riding bike I've ever owned.
Absolutely great bike.
What's your take on the Bianchi Oltre XR4? Dont' hold back, I just bought one.
I like it, but if it's still coming in around 7.8kg that's a bit heavy. It's in the spreadsheet isn't it? What is your opinion since you have one?!
@@Fastfitnesstips Its on order, a special color, so will take a while
@@cliffcox7643 enjoy!! Jealous+
Aside from the integration I prefer the Tarmac SL6 over the SL7. I also have a BMC SLR01 and that is an incredible bike in looks and performance. Not the lightest but great for the flats and rollers. When it the road goes up I use my SL6.
Bro, u have some serious money than if you can choose between an SLR01 and a SL6
Giant TCR is my number 1
what you think of the orbea orca m30 bike?
The new integrated looks good but to my eyes it also looks heavy even though I don't see the weight anywhere. If yoh give me the weight I'll give you a more detailed opinion
Good objective comparison. I think the challenge with these is still personal preference. If you value looks I think Pinarello wins hands down… other might like the look of something else… and so the debate continues. Great video.
What's with Ridley Kanzo Fast?
What do you think of Fezzari’s Empire?
Whats your thoughts on Rose X-Lite Four/Six?
Very good overall especially the new integrated versions.....but the x lites are nice too and sometimes on sale
Giant TCR , brilliant bike , brilliant value .
Agree I've owned 2 SL0 disc they're great 👍 not the most exciting but they've been predictable and reliable which in my book equates to safety and control without sacrifices to the overall high-end performance.
complaining, but you only covered cube litening aero not the air version. would you still put the air version in as one of the worst super bikes?
What do you think of Cipollini RB1K ?
Too expensive, non-integrated, but pretty.
Disagree about the Cube. The price is about half of Specialized Venge pro with the same Ultegra di2 and frame of similar weight and aero properties. You can choose the wheel upgrade of your own choice and still save big chunk of cash. Only the canyon Aeroad cf sl 8.0 di2 disc can beat it in value but you lose out on fully hidden cables and a dated +slightly heavier frame. Looks are personal taste.
Yes i think with the upgraded wheelset its not that bad like the one in the video and yes good value. Maybe I was too harsh! However try the sheet and it will still rank high
Yes i think with the upgraded wheelset its not that bad like the one in the video and yes good value. Maybe I was too harsh! However try the sheet and it will still rank high
What do your personal opinion of trek madone sl6 2020
Good design, good comfort, reasomable price but looks a little heavy for the price? But i would only buy with a discount
@@Fastfitnesstips excellent! I just got one for a good price
I agree with everything you mentioned in your video.
I couldn't find giant propel on survey , it is also nice looking aero bike
Its not in the spreadsheet because of the lack of integration which they have solved and are waiting to release a new model soon
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video editor options -> disable resample
lavalier mic
Good advice thanks!
Any thoughts on the new Emonda?
Brilliant bike for sure esp SLR9 but would like to see aero data especially at that price; however I do have a concern that lower spec Emondas get heavy really quickly!
I've not seen a single bike review where they've said that one bike felt for aero that another... that's complete nonsense.
Thank you for your review. All the top bikes will be nice as you mentioned and there will only be a few watts between them. Frankly all new bikes are way too expensive. A decent secondhand bike in my view is good enough. Let your legs do the talking rather than your bank account.
I think the SL7 aero claims are very misleading. How does a round downtube bike become as aero as a venge? I believe the SL7 aero benefits come from the wheelset, integrated cables and stem and aero seat tube.
I'd rather have a Cannondale SuperSix or Cervelo R5.
Specialized did the testing and found that having an aero shaped downtube provided very little benefits over a round one but added a lot more weight.
@@jimmyhor78 Hmmm. Can you point me to the testing? Any independent testing has shown that the fastest bikes are those with aero downtubes - SystemSix, Madone, Venge, Timemachine, Propel, Aeroad, ...
@@insquares German Tour magazine had just tested the SL7 in the wind tunnel. It came out at 210w just 2w difference from 2019 Venge at 208w.
www.tour-magazin.de/raeder/rennraeder/specialized-s-works-tarmac-sl7/a49210.html
@BDH BDH I Agree. The full aero and weight benefit of the bike only comes with the $12k build with highest end groupsets. Drop down a level to the $7000 pro which is still pretty pricy and you get heavier carbon and CL rapides with round spokes. Go down another level to the $5000 expert and you have heavy aluminum wheels but you also lose the aerofly bar which is a huge part of the aero package.
Which is why I mentioned that the Cube is actually pretty good value compared. For under $4700 you get the pro version with the exact same frame and handlecars as the top end version but with alloy wheels. You can add a pair of Hunt 50/65 or Reynolds AR58/62 at under still fall well below the price of the SL7 Pro version. That said I really love the silver color of the SL7 Expert model.
What do you think POLYGON ?
I like specialised but again after crash super poor, this whole aerodynamic thing is just a way of selling bikes,, basically a good stiff with good frame with good wheels with reasonable weight frame , will your own personal fitness will keep you at the head of your group on a Sunday Ride, or races.
I dont agree at all with this video. Specially calling all these high end bikes that has TDF reputation worst. Like BMC, Pinarello and specialized always seeing them crossing the finish line first, and with multiple achievements. If we’re talking about price points yes because their not affordable for the most part, but just because their price is high doesnt make them worst, cheap bikes are made with low end carbon materials and the components that comes with the bike is a big factor as well.
What do you think about viathon?
Hi, no experience but I dont find their weights ? Any manufacturer not publishing weight is not ideal
Rose X light 6 best bike for money in mine opinion
Giant TCR for my number 1 simple and light. Tried other bike brands no comparison.
totally agree , brilliant bikes .