JUST finished reading comments. It appears y'all want a DAY 2 where the modern guys anti-ship the heck out of the IJN fleet. I'll try to figure out how to do that next week.
Great video cap, but definitely a lot of urban legend so to speak. The Japanese carrier taihou did not have in large blisters oh, you're thinking of the Japanese Yamato class that was made into the shinano had the enlarged blisters. But it did have an armored flight deck. And because they were using so many inexperienced crewman about three hours after the hit there was aviation fuel in the shaft of the elevators. When they turned on The Blower's to dispense the fumes it just spread the fumes which found a source and basically blew and buckled the armored Flight Deck, and blew out a lot of bulkheads which Doom did the ship. Ask for the fleet dispersal there was several of the light carriers were in a fleet about a hundred miles closer to the Americans. The large Fleet carriers were towards the back. They did this with hopes that the Americans would attack the small carriers and not their big Fleet carriers. Also there were at least 20 escort carriers that were with the invasion Fleet closer and to the north of the Marianas who also were carrying on flightops during this era bottle and they were the ones that were keeping the planes from the islands tied up so they never even went after the carriers. Also the proximity fuses, the radar was definitely a British invention. But they were not able to utilize the technology to make it small enough to put into a artillery shell. It was the Americans that developed the technology to do that so yes it was a British invention but it took the Americans to really take it to its limit. Also in regards to the day to attack against the Japanese Fleet, it was planned to be done in two waves or deck loads of aircraft. After the first deck load took off Michener had second thoughts and canceled the second strike that would have followed on because he knew it was getting too light. He also sent up his radar-guided night fighters to help Shepherd back a lot of the planes so they could get to the right location. Also it was Admiral missioner who decided to turn on the flood lights, and light-up the fleet. But it was only supposed to be the carriers that lit up their texts but the over-enthusiastic commanders of the whole Fleet literally let up every single ship. There were many cases of airplanes mistaking other ships for carriers and literally trying to land on a destroyer or a cruiser or something. But again like somebody else mentioned the next day they sent all their small boys, destroyers and their seaplanes to search the route of the mission and thus they were able to keep their actual pilot losses to a minimum. Yes I know that's a lengthy greed and I'll stop there I could probably go on for another 15 minutes LOL but it was definitely a fun video, and well worth the support we throw towards you guys
all I can imagine is the absolute fear and panic that would come from seeing your wingmen seemingly spontaneously explode out of nowhere as wing after wing goes kaboom
Happened to Iraqi Migs during the Iran-Iraq War. Iranian F-14s with long range missiles and radar were killing the Migs BVR and to the Iraqis it looked like their planes were spontaneously exploding.
On the F-35 - the A has an internal cannon, B and C can equip an external gun pod on the center pylon. And no, the B cannot viff (vector in forward flight) like the Harrier can, due to using a lift fan rather than vectored nozzles.
The F-4 cannon issue wasn't a cannon issue, it was a training issue. The gun-less Navy Phantoms kill ratio went up even above the USAF "be-gunned" Phantom kill ratio after the fighter weapons school program was implemented.
I married into a Chamorro family (natives of guam) and was treated to nearly endless stories from the patriarch of the family as to his experiences during the occupation. 11:18 Absolutely every able bodies person on Guam the Japanese could pressgang into service were recruited to aid. The occupation was brutal. I heard a couple of stories that very much stayed with me. In the first my grandfather in law drove a Japanese truck (after being pressganged into service... he apparently always volunteered regardless of experience or ability you will understand this later) into a crater in a road by accident wrecking it entirely. The Japanese were not pleased and resolved to find out who had done it... apparently my grandfather in law said "no it wasn't me, it was my brother" this doesn't immediately sound like much of a story... You have to understand, the Chamorro people were converted to Catholicism by Spanish missionaries (nearly all catholic at the time) so they had huge families... Combine this with Pac Islander cultural practices to merge family groups into extended auntie/uncle, cousin groups that intermingle in groups that may or may not have any familial relation and you get large family groups that a fairly confusing to outsiders to sort out... I spent the first 2 years at my wife's family events being introduced to folks i knew i had no hope of sorting out. It took YEARS of monthly if not weekly events to really internalize all this. Keep in mind i was a volunteer that everyone was glad to have... imagine being a hostile occupation that no one wants... Of coarse combine this with this rando Japanese soldier or officer's inability to really tell the locals apart. This is not just a "everyone looks the same" trope... Lets salt the wound a little.... The Chamorro population is extremely traditional when it comes to naming with perhaps 30 different biblically sourced English or Spanish first name, combined with only a few nearly all Spanish or German derived surname groups and you get a nearly impenetrable list of repeating names that are damn near impossible to make sense of without the familial mappings to go with them. Now a less jovial story. The occupation was brutal, for whatever whim, public executions by beheading and shootings were common. my own grandfather in law told a story of being unlucky enough to be rounded up for execution on one occasion after some sabotage had occurred involving explosives... (The rumor is he was involved in the "accidental" destruction of a stockpile of supplies prior to the US invasion... but I have no idea if any of this is the case) As the story goes he was tied and commanded to stand in the hot sun under guard awaiting execution and right before the executioner reached him he passed out... "My prayers were answered" as he put it he narrowly avoided execution and as he told it the Japanese believed that because "he fainted at the sight of the blade" that he would not be trouble so was spared. He had many stories of grappling with his hatred for the Japanese people for the rest of his life... Only through his love and mentorship of young people playing youth baseball (little league) did he eventually travel to japan as a coach much later in life and begin to reconcile... ... Even to this day the Chamorro people are not afforded all the right and privilege's of other American citizens due to their colony status...taxation without representation and 1/3 of the island of guam is used as a military base... taken under a racist scheme of compensation and lengthy discriminatory practice (Chamorro folks were not allowed on the officer's beach "for security reasons" despite it being their ancestral land and often their being actively a part of defense industry efforts on the island...) Despite all of this pacific islanders and those especially those from Guam serve in the US military at shockingly high rates (~20% of all Chamorro's have served). Worth celebrating an amazing people...
My father was career Navy. I remember living in Navy housing in San Pedro, CA, just south of Los Angeles when I was about ten and seeing a car with Guam plates. Obviously someone who had just returned from being posted there. What I could not figure out is why they bothered with the expense of shipping it rather than selling it and buying a new one on arrival in California.
This isn't a modern aircraft carrier somehow traveled back in time, it's instead japanese ghost fleet appearing in modern day to attack a lone modern aircraft carrier to avenge the crushing defeat. Honestly sounds like a plot of an excellent popcorn flick.
Am I wrong in suggesting that a WW2 Japanese force would be disadvantaged against, say, a 2015 carrier with F-35 and F-18 seen here in this video... how about if the same Japanese force fought a 1966-era USN carrier (with F-4, A-7, A-4, F-8, even propeller A-1 Skyraider)... the 20-22 years between WW2 and early Vietnam saw massive improvements in radar and missiles, would the Japanese force fare any better against a 1966 US carrier than it would against a 2016 (aka modern) US carrier? This intrigues me to no end. How bout a 1953 US carrier with F-84, F9F Panther, F3D Skyknight?
You should hit up Drachinifel on doing a collab on these. He's British so it would work well time wise for you, He's very knowledgable on WWII naval history and if he doesn't know it off hand he probably has the reference to look it up, and he's done a few collab with other game channels.
To be fair to Drach, he usually doesn't like to posit situations like this as much. Typically he prefers the history that is reasonable changes. Like, some of the fleet staying behind during the battle of Samar. That said, he's an excellent source and I'd love his feedback on the series.
Actually I’d suggest Dr. Alexander Clarke. He does a lot of speculative scenarios, and he’s a real gem for us naval history nuts. Oh yeah, he and Drach are friends.
@@grimreapers I know Alex, and would be more than happy to connect you. He’s really into science and education of the masses - us! He’s also familiar with DCS, and I’ve been updating him when I find neat new things inside the DCS unit resource files. He’s also the guy I’ve been thinking of every time I mention the Battle of Taranto. He’s done several lectures on it, and it would be interesting to try two carriers instead of one, which is why I really want to model the Swordfish of the FAA. This is his channel. m.youtube.com/@DrAlexClarke
I was recently at the Portland airport and got to see 2 F-15s land. As soon as I heard the first one I was like "that's not commercial" and walked over to the window to watch it touch down. I've been to the air shows at McConnell afb in Wichita Kansas but it had been a long time since I've actually seen anything like it. It was really cool getting a side by side comparison between the noise of military aircraft vs civilian. So much louder and just more aggressive sounding 👍
If i recall .. the Flagship AC . Its demise was helped out by the chief engineer when he turned the ventilation system on to try clear the vapors from the ruptured fuel tanks . Which in turn just moved the vapor through out the entire ship . The spark that ignited the ship wide detonation cam from a generator for the ventilation system
I'm new to DCS and learning all the intricacies of the software, aircraft, and creating my own training scenarios, and I must say your scenario development is excellent. Well done Cap!
The Fleet's lights were turned on at the order of Adm. Mitscher. No one else could issue that order and certainly, no ship's Captain would think of breaking light security and issuing that order on their own. I've seen interviews with Naval Aviator veterans of that battle tear up when describing the moment the lights came on. "This way home, boys. This way home." There's a lump in my throat just typing it.
That would solve all of the problems but I REALLY want to get carrier working properly. I thought I had it nailed this time, worked fine until the actual filmed attempt :(
I really liked this round-table history format, as much as seeing the GR humans fly! It was really interesting, like a more dynamic style of documentary😅
I don't know if you've heard of it but there was a movie with a premise like this called "The Final Countdown", for a short snippet of the plot the USS Nimitz gets caught in a huge storm that sends her back in time to shortly before the attack on Pearl Harbor. It's an interesting movie and the US Navy allowed the crew to film aboard the USS Nimitz for the movie.
That was a really good movie. Brings back memories...one of those movies that cemented my love for the USN as a kid. My eyes were not 20-20, so flight school was not in the plan. Spent my active duty as a submarine officer on a fast attack boat (LA class). Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, James Farentino, Katherine Ross, Charles Durning...a top cast too!
I absolutely agree with Super Cap on the Corsair!!! It’d be great to see some F-4U’s in DCS!!! Another one I’d like to see on that note is the P-38J. I don’t think any Lightning’s participated at the battle of the Philippine Sea, but they were used extensively in the pacific, most famously for Operation Vengeance where they were chosen to shoot down the transport carrying Admiral Yamamoto. That would be a hell of a mission if they ever get P-38’s. It was chosen specifically for its fuel capacity relative to other interceptors, and they had to fly low level the entire time to avoid detection!!!
The fuel fumes were building up but were localised. However, a japanese officer cranked up the air ventilation system to dilute the fumes. This dispersed the fumes over the whole ship and blew it up when a spark from an electrical device ignited in what was in essence a FAE.
@@yeetsaspizzas3921 Sinking of IJN armored carrier Taiho. USS Albacore put 2 torpedoes into her side, and although watertight integrity was almost entirely unaffected, the hits ruptured a below-waterline aviation fuel tank positioned at the bottom of the aircraft elevator. Avgas fumes leaked up through the elevator shaft, and because Taiho was armored, she had far fewer openings around her hangar and deck for the fumes to escape, and the inbuilt ventilation system couldn't get them out quick enough. The chief damage control officer decided that if they couldn't get the fumes out of the ship with the ventilation, to spread it throughout the ship instead. After a few hours, the, rather predictable in hindsight, outcome of some random spark somewhere on the ship detonating the fumes occurred, causing a massive explosion throughout the ship that sank her.
American ace pilot, call-sign Muck Shovel, Plane- F-15, Kills- lots of American naval aircraft, Mission- Clearing up mucked up carrier wings for the new experimental American A.I pilot program which seems to have a tendency to gum up carriers. Until this problem can be fixed Muck Shovel will be assigned to the unit indefinitely.
Not trying very hard. If the carriers are defenseless wouldn't the SMART thing to do to try to alleviate the problem be to just add multiple carriers and split the squadrons? Even just the addition of a second carrier would halve the jam chances.
When you guys were discussing about the F-35c being "gunless" around the 27 minute mark, based on my research, the c has a bigger fuel tank to increase its range. That's why there isn't an internal gun because it's replaced by a larger fuel tank basically.
The story I heard with the bombers is they were ordered to take off so that they would not be a liability if the carriers got hit. The rest is accurate, that one commander got bored flying in circles and took off with his team to attack the airbase on Guam. He actually thought he'd be reprimanded when he got back for disobeying orders, but the commanders were really thrilled that he took the initiative.
australia did simulations between us and the indonesians , in almost all cases indo flankers simply stayed at range and dragged aussie f 35s to the point of bingo fuel forcing us to fire at extreme range , the indo flankers mostly notched all our missiles and flankers being faster and longer range simply chased us down and wiped the floor with us , so thats how you do that
@@dwwolf4636 last thing you want to do is add more surface area to what already too fat to be actually stealthy thats why its " low observable " and a misconception is stealthy at all times ,,, reality is they can be seen and thhe closer you get to a radar the easier it is to see you , the f 35s party trick is really the ability to sneak up on an enemy , they will be seen but the idea is you dont able enough time to respond to an attack adding even stealth tanks just means the f 35 gives the enemy a couple of minutes extra warning
What Ive notice in other programs/games for mass missile efficiency.... -Take into account how fast a missile takes to get to a target, for example: 10 seconds from launch to hit -Place your next missile launcher at least 10 seconds behind the previous launcher to prevent multiple missiles firing on the same target. -You will have to calculate speed of missile/time to impact/etc/etc to find placements. -CONS: You will naturally have a "less dense" and "more spread" missile coverage and will require high accuracy missiles. -PROS: Efficiency (only with high accuracy missiles) -In a perfect world you want as many missiles as you can get and over-saturate the enemy/area with cost or supply not being an issue.
Late in the war, and specifically for this scenario, the Japanese had not had time to refine the petroleum (it was essentially bunker fuel) and so most of the vessels were floating time bombs filling up with fumes that normally would have been processed out through distillation but that were extremely susceptible to accidental detonation. One of the carriers they lost late in the war wasn't even hit by the Americans. It just had some on board spark that detonated when the entire lower deck reached the right mix of fuel and oxygen. Survivors claimed that they had been trying to evacuate the fumes but that there was a problem with the venting systems on the Japanese fleet.
YES!!! This is going to be a Great Battle! Thanks for all of your time, specially yours CAP! I know what having a New One in the house is like.... Really appreciate your time....
The addition of a gun to the Phantom really didn't make that much of a difference. The Navy didn't add a gun and instead developed the TOPGUN program, which taught pilots how to properly use their missiles. The Air Force added a gun. By the end of Vietnam the AF achieved a 5:1 K/L ratio while the Navy achieved a 12:1 ratio. The simple truth is that the gun is obsolete. Even if you somehow get to the merge with an F-35, which is a monumental achievement, HOBL means the F-35 doesn't even need to get its nose on you to ruin your day.
well but the usa discoverd that when you run out of missles if you don't have guns as a fallback your bascly screwed with the enemy used there own guns on you also the guns are good for taking out lightly armourd targets if you run out of air to gonud missles and bombs.
@@ashtiboy Again, that is demonstrably false due to the fact that the Navy didn't add a gun and still achieved a superior outcome. And the fact is that there is nothing forcing you to merge with a bandit if you're Winchester on BVR missiles, especially not if you're in a fifth-gen fighter. And SDBs can do everything a gun can do against ground targets.
@@ashtiboy The OP is historically correct, actually. The USAF made their own trouble for themselves, despite the historical revisionist fixation on guns. They also did other goofy crap like demanding flights of four in finger-four, and making the whole flight maneuver around an established flight lead to pursue and engage bandits. The Navy moved to mutual support pairs, with whichever plane got on a bandit first assuming element lead role. Much more flexible.
1:10:00 "if you thought this was buggy you ain't seen nothing yet" I'm officially putting in a request to record and upload the video prep bloopers! I was honestly more invested in the angst and anxiety that was going on than the actual scenario; would just need some simple editing to clip the reaction parts and skip the everything-is-working less interesting parts. The mission prep sessions would also make for a good Twitch/Kick/CZcams live stream, which does way better monetization with subs and donations that would help pay for the expensive baby, so do it to it!
The F-35B & F-35C both utilize the 25 mm GAU-22/A in their external Gun Pod Unit. For this scenario, with the F-35C in beast mode, the gun pod could have been mounted. I enjoyed watching you GM mode the F-15C to "un-jam" the CV flight deck. It seems an AH-1Z, or other helicopter gunship would allow you to clear the deck more efficiently.
I wonder how the Battle off Samar would have played out with modern Destroyers in the place of USS Johnston and her companions and a modern CV instead of the escort carriers? Taffy 3 threw themselves at Japanese Center force(IJN Yamato and her escorts) so aggressively, for much of the engagement the Japanese were convinced they were facing much heavier units so had AP rounds loaded instead of HE. They figured out the mistake but by that time Johnston and her sisters along with aircraft had inflicted enough dmg AND had enough torpedoes in the water it was the Japanese that turned and retreated even though Center force had Taffy 3 hilariously outnumbered and ridiculously out classed in terms of ship involved. No idea if you guys are already aware of Drachinifel but if you aren't and are into Naval history, I highly recommend checking him out. He has videos on just about everything you guys were talking about in here plus much more 🤗
The Battle off Samar and Taffy 3 is literally 'You want to fuck around? Time to Find the Fuck Out.' Johnston and her fellow destroyers charge the largest battleship ever bulit, AND her escorts
Mitcher (spelling?) recovered most of the pilots from the water. He also directed all of the ships to turn all of their lights on and point their spotlights skyward in order to guide the aircraft. It was a huge risk due to the submarine threat, but it did save many aircraft. So the losses were mainly hardware, not humeware.
The Operations Room recently made a video on the Battle of the Philippine Sea. It shows the entire battle and pretty accurate formations for the Japanese and US fleets.
The way the Zeros would made easy work of the P-51 Mustangs, they would climb and the Mustang would follow and stall, and the Zeros would turn around and on the way down shred the P-51s, when the F6F Hellcats hit the skies, they would climb and turn around only to see the Hellcat right up there with them firing at them and smashing them down.
My suggestion is a small ship that holds a few choppers next to the carrier, and the GR tram can turkey shoot returners and jam-ups. Have the empty planes return for more targets.
The one thing I have a problem with besides not using a carrier group is, ... you still don’t have them (AI or humans) to form up! Especially the WWII stuff. They gathered into their formations before kicking off from the base of operations. Still now... today.
Well in this instance there's really no need to have the modern fighters group up as they're just long range missile launch platforms and face no opposition that would be benefited by having singular or multiple wingmen.
I'm wondering. Have you fellas ever tried a battle based on the film "The Final Countdown"? That would be the U.S.S. Nimitz circa 1980 vs the Japanese fleet attacking Pearl Harbor.
@@grimreapers another awesome one would be more period realistic. What if Halsey didn't take the bait and split his fleet at the Battle of Leyte Gulf? So many big battle wagons!
The pacific theater is my favorite theater of the war. its somewhat of my specialty. I just want DCS to start making Pacific Warbirds i want my Zero and Hellcat....
I really liked the casual history lesson that went on with the less interesting bits of the simulation going on in the background. Like up until the first missile launch.
If you launch 1/3 each (30/90) from 3 carriers, then that should leave enough deck space and by the time they get ready to come back, the launching is done. Plus the rate at which DCS a/c launch is slower than IRL anyway.
The British were not the first to develop usable proximity fuses the USA did. Early in the war, the British sent the cavity magnetron and their proximity fuze prototypes to the USA because Britain thought that it was impossible to produce them in quantity. The original British proximity fuze was large and couldn't withstand high G loads so it was only suitable to use in unguided anti-aircraft rockets. However, American industry was able to mass produce miniaturized and ruggedized cavity magnetrons for Allied radars and a proximity fuze that could be used in artillery shells. The cavity magnetron allowed Allied radars to be much more powerful and smaller than their Axis equivalents. Anti-aircraft shells developed before proximity fuzes were either barometric, pyrotechnic, or clockwork fuzes. If you look at the film of the AA drill during the battle of Britain they stick the nose of the shell into a mechanical fuze setter which turns the clockwork fuze to set its travel time. The AA battery had a time-setting clock that was linked to the radar station and a coincidence range-finder to estimate flight time. The advantage of the proximity fuze is it removed a great deal of the guesswork regarding fuzing. If the shell was close to the target it exploded and since there was no time wasted on setting fuzes the rate of fire increased. Proximity fuzes also gave land forces a great advantage because airburst HE-fragmentation rounds could be triggered at the optimum height to cause the most casualties to enemy forces caught in the open.
Great video, high entertainment value. Thanks for uploading it. I just had the pleasure of watching with a nice southwestern Washington spring electrical storm happening so lots of thunder made for a surreal complement to the game audio.
Something that would be cool would be some scenarios to ilustrate just how rapid technology advancements were in the 20th century. reenact battles but set one side to have the gear they would've had 20 years out of date. So you could so a 1980s battle with one side having 2000s gear for example for this video, it would be the americans having 1 or 2 CSGs from 1965
Someones probably already said it, in US service the B models are Marines only and the C is used by both the Navy and Marines. Both the B and C models have an external gun pod, well they may have if they've gotten it working yet :)
♥Super Cap and team...blimin awesome job all around it looked really hard to do from your end but excellent Tube watching from our end...Can't wait for day 2 😁 Hoping Mum and Cap Jr and the rest of your fam are all well ⛳
Japanese usual fleet strategy was to have the carriers on their own at the back with minimal escort and have all the capital ships forward in a separate screening force.
Original they had 3 circles around the aircraft carrier whit the oiler and freighters in a 4th group slightly ahead the carrier groups have been in a big l shape few miles apart.
Ehh you’re mostly right, I’d say on the acronyms, but it’s also handy, as it creates a fast, easy, memorable word for those of us that do that type of thing of every day, and everyone knows what you mean, the capabilities, etc
@@grimreapers I honestly don’t think others do, at least not officially, and definitely not to the level we do. I can see it being an issue to others, but for me. Who did do that type stuff for 5 yrs. And was always into the military and history, so I kinda knew and got a lot of the older stuff, then I joined and was a part of it, seems completely ‘normal’ but also funny. Cause at times even us in the US Military are like dod you really need to make that an acronym?
SPECIAL REQUEST- I know you do the Alien ( star wars empire) Can you maybe do a hypothetical UFO ( maybe the Tic Tac aircraft) over Europe ? UK? 'Merica ? Love the channel.❤
Always include as many humans as possible 😊 Train a co developer and assemble a team to role play missions. Design the scenarios together. Have those that participate record their own streams. This can be edited together for a final episode giving a better overview of the entire battle. Not freaking easy. It’ll take a while. But it should free you to participate or directors view a battle as well, in a first run scenario. And stuff you miss, will likely be captured if others record. Maybe have one human dedicated to the camera man role,
Early in WWII Japanese submarines had been successful but their defeats at the Coral Sea and Midway forced the Navy to use its submarines for scouting instead of interdicting Allied supply lines. Japan focused on the decisive fleet action to the detriment of all other fleet functions. This meant they gave insufficient protection to their convoys carrying oil from Indonesia. This meant the Japanese convoys were very vulnerable to attack from American submarines and aircraft in the South China Sea. Since the Japanese couldn't secure their oil supply they lacked fuel and lubricants which exacerbated Japan's decision to focus on decisive large fleet actions to the detriment of normal operations. They felt they needed to hoard their fuel to launch large and decisive attacks. The Army and Navy also didn't get along so the Navy wouldn't provide escorts to convoys carrying oil destined for Army refineries. Since the Army and Navy wouldn't cooperate there were completely separate logistics for both. Separate ships, convoys, port facilities, refineries, and storage depots. Towards the end of the war Japanese warships were burning unrefined oil in their boilers. The corrosive effects of the high sulfur oil destroyed their boilers so a large percentage of their warships ended up broken down in foreign ports where they were destroyed by US carrier aircraft and submarines. Due to a lack of oil supplies, the Japanese increased the proportion of alternative fuels for their aviation fuel. Things like synthetic oil from coal, turpentine, alcohol, and reclaimed cooking oil were distilled to create aviation fuel which had a negative effect on serviceability and performance.
All the talk about the importance of accurate intelligence, got me thinking of a saying I heard in the 1980's, "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle."
I presume the E2Cs, Growlers, and the American carrier have signal jamming capabilities. Jamming / deceiving the Japanese search radars would make it much more difficult to find the American carrier. Comm / nav signals would also to easy to jam, as each would be terrestrial & not spread spectrum. Taking out the Japanese search planes / pickets would limit survelliance even more. Once hostilities commenced, I imagine strike aircraft would launch supersonic ground attack / standoff missions to disable the Japanese carriers & runways, and limit the number of swarming Zeros that could get in the air. Or, better yet, wait until dark & strike first! Without any of these considerations, this scenario isn't very "realistic." It's a missile count v Zero count battle. Love the channel, BTW! Good stuff.
Answer to your F-35 A/B/C Both the bravo and Charlie can carry a gun pod on the belly. The alpha has it mounted on the top left leading edge extension above the intake.
Imaging Infra Red Seekers can have very good targeting parameters to prevent the missile from hitting designated friendlies within its database. The Naval Strike Missile does this when seeking military targets within Civilian shipping. Cap you would probably be better off having an Apache with A2A Missiles for Muck Cleaning with its 30mm turret and all :) or a Tank on deck lol
My Dad was stationed at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge 1974 to 1977! The elementary school I went to the playground ran right up to the flight line. During recess I'd go to the fence and watch F-4s go to afterburner as they intercepted Soviet bombers over the North Sea. I also enjoyed it because I got to be in Britain during the Bicentennial!
@40mins - 40 targets? No, the two main RADARs on board Type 45 can independently track about 1000 targets each, the overlap between the S1850M and SAMPSON can be merged or de-duplicated by the mission computers. Both RADAR systems are to be upgraded during the next refit (as part of the ICBM threat improvements) which will increase that number. It will be interesting to see if the main computing platform is upgraded at the same time (currently Windows 2000!)
@@grimreapers Indeed the entire swarm could easily be tracked by a single Type 45 - although obviously flying effectively in a single file would required multiple networked assets spaced out to track them due to masking unless they were flying across the view of the RADAR. The type 997 RADAR on Type 23 frigates can also track nearly a thousand targets simultaneously and an upgrade is in progress to double that.
From what I understand the 35B and 35C can mount a gun pod as it was meant to primarily be a strike fighter for the CAG and MAG as well. The Super Hornets are meant to be the primary fleet defense fighter
It was the pilots and tactics in the hellcats and corsairs that saved the day. They simply wouldn't turn with the Zeroes. They'd boom and zoom them from above, flame 2 or 3, then run. Thank you General Claire Chennault and the Flying Tigers for that tactic.
Borneo oil had trace elements of things like magnesium (and the like) in them. Using them was very dangerous. In one tanker sinking (IIRC 6 of them by one sub) they went up like they were loaded with artillery shells.
Lookup the Battle of Samar and Task Force 77.4 aka Taffy 3 6 escort carriers (Taffy 3), 3 destroyers, 4 destroyer escorts vs 4 battleships, heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 11 destroyers The Japanese were less than 20 miles from the US task force when US ASW patrol planes spotted the Japanese battleships. Close enough that the lookouts from Taffy 3 saw the Japanese AAA shooting at the US patrol as they attacked the IJN battleships and cruisers with depth charges. The US destroyers closed the distance to buy time and they started taking fire from the Yamato at 17 miles. Meanwhile Taffy 3's carriers turned east and launched their airwings with whatever ordnance they had already loaded, even if it was just machine guns.
I was wondering if you'd look at the Battle of Samar. What would happen if you replaced the 6 escort carriers and escort with all the aircraft from Taffy 1 and 2 with a modern aircraft Carrier with or without the escorts. Completely sink the Japanese force of 4 battleships including the Yamato. 6 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 11 destroyers and 36 kamazi attackers
I love the F35. The only mistake Lockheed Martin made, and that annoys me a lot, is that until today they refuse to send me one. If I had one, I would be the coolest guy on my local flight club.
@@0xKruzr of course I thought about that. I mentioned in each of my letters that I can't pay them. Not for the plane, neither for the maintenance. So they would have to take the part. Also I can't fly a F35. So I would require training for which I also can not pay. But I would paint a beautiful picture as thank you. I am still waiting for a response...
@@grimreapers Stay strong, Dad. I have four, including twins. It just keeps getting better and better, I promise. But at first....you have to get wrist deep in shit.
Love your videos! Just wondering, when running into the issues of take offs/landing, would it work to have a secondary carrier away from the battle area just for recovery?
I think one of the big issues was when carrier aircraft didn’t come home it was presumed they diverted to land bases so the admiral greatly overestimated his forces on day two. And the land based pilots were horribly undertrained. Literally put on land bases because they weren’t good enough for carriers
The engineers in Britian and Germany worked on the proximity fuse but the US perfected one that was different at it used mercury that was released by the spinning of the round to close prepare the circuit to be able to close, then when it hit the magnetic field created by an aircraft, it would close the circuit and the fuse would burn and trigger the explosion.
I'm still kind of curious about a united battle group with a Type 055, Type 45, a Burke, and an LHD (with a full compliment of AV-8Bs). I know you did a modern composite surface group fleet, but I think a "deck" could make a difference. After WWII, the US started fielding an early version of an AWACS, based on a Grumman TBM Avenger. The F-35C is a pretty plane, but has one weakness, in my opinion, it doesn't have an internal cannon. I'm waiting for a "Delta" model with an integral cannon. The "A" model has a Mauser BK-27 cannon, and the "B" and "C" models only can be fitted with a gun pod. My closest actual air base is Gowen Field, and the 124th FS, but my preference would be Mountain Home AFB, and the 390th TFS and the Bold Tigers, with their F-15Es. Dang Cap, you are making me write a novel for a comment!!! I was stationed on the Lincoln (CVN-72) and that hard turn reminds me of our post refit maneuvers. 😄 If I named the AIM-260, I'd just call it a "Stick" or "Club". My love of aviation started when I checked out a book on airplanes in elementary school, and my parents ran with it. My first experience with an actual airplane was on my 11th birthday in an 1947 Aeronica Champion (7AC) and I was hooked from that point!!!
Reminds me of "The Final Countdown" movie ... always wanted to do a DCS scenario like that ... USS Nimitiz and airwing vs. the Pearl Harbor IJN fleet in a time travel / change history type scenario.
I believe the reason that the Grim Reapers always use A6M2 Zeros from carriers, is that DCS doesn't have any other Japanese aircraft [D3A Val dive bombers, and B5N Kate torpedo bombers]. This is why they use Ju-88s instead of Betty bombers, in scenarios calling for those aircraft.
The F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) and F-35C naval variant have no internal cannon, but can carry an optional gun pod carrying the GAU-22/A with 220 rounds on their centerline station.
JUST finished reading comments. It appears y'all want a DAY 2 where the modern guys anti-ship the heck out of the IJN fleet. I'll try to figure out how to do that next week.
Great video cap, but definitely a lot of urban legend so to speak.
The Japanese carrier taihou did not have in large blisters oh, you're thinking of the Japanese Yamato class that was made into the shinano had the enlarged blisters. But it did have an armored flight deck. And because they were using so many inexperienced crewman about three hours after the hit there was aviation fuel in the shaft of the elevators. When they turned on The Blower's to dispense the fumes it just spread the fumes which found a source and basically blew and buckled the armored Flight Deck, and blew out a lot of bulkheads which Doom did the ship.
Ask for the fleet dispersal there was several of the light carriers were in a fleet about a hundred miles closer to the Americans. The large Fleet carriers were towards the back. They did this with hopes that the Americans would attack the small carriers and not their big Fleet carriers.
Also there were at least 20 escort carriers that were with the invasion Fleet closer and to the north of the Marianas who also were carrying on flightops during this era bottle and they were the ones that were keeping the planes from the islands tied up so they never even went after the carriers.
Also the proximity fuses, the radar was definitely a British invention. But they were not able to utilize the technology to make it small enough to put into a artillery shell. It was the Americans that developed the technology to do that so yes it was a British invention but it took the Americans to really take it to its limit.
Also in regards to the day to attack against the Japanese Fleet, it was planned to be done in two waves or deck loads of aircraft. After the first deck load took off Michener had second thoughts and canceled the second strike that would have followed on because he knew it was getting too light.
He also sent up his radar-guided night fighters to help Shepherd back a lot of the planes so they could get to the right location. Also it was Admiral missioner who decided to turn on the flood lights, and light-up the fleet. But it was only supposed to be the carriers that lit up their texts but the over-enthusiastic commanders of the whole Fleet literally let up every single ship. There were many cases of airplanes mistaking other ships for carriers and literally trying to land on a destroyer or a cruiser or something. But again like somebody else mentioned the next day they sent all their small boys, destroyers and their seaplanes to search the route of the mission and thus they were able to keep their actual pilot losses to a minimum.
Yes I know that's a lengthy greed and I'll stop there I could probably go on for another 15 minutes LOL but it was definitely a fun video, and well worth the support we throw towards you guys
Being a total and utter bastard, I want to see three Ticos against three Yamatos. Science!
It's basically destruction-porn. We admit it. 🤣
And you'll be able to review the OpsRoom animation!
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Kind of. They show as surface assets.
all I can imagine is the absolute fear and panic that would come from seeing your wingmen seemingly spontaneously explode out of nowhere as wing after wing goes kaboom
Happened to Iraqi Migs during the Iran-Iraq War. Iranian F-14s with long range missiles and radar were killing the Migs BVR and to the Iraqis it looked like their planes were spontaneously exploding.
This is the thing that the AI is missing; a morale or plan+contact_with_enemy algorithm.
Yep and it was to the point where they thought maintenance crews were sabotaging aircraft and started executing them @@waynesworldofsci-tech
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Yeah. And just think, this is what Western gear is doing to the Russians in Ukraine.
I believe the Russian gear is very good, some of their missle tech is better.
Watching Cap do real-time damage control is becoming one of my favorite parts of the channel.
Me too!
GR vids = desperately trying to make the thing work and sort of just about doing it, with lots of swearing.
Cap chewed up so much gum for this video that he'll need to go to the dentist!
Gummed up carriers seems to be a thing. Be nice if that got fixed.
@@riparianlife97701Honestly at this point it’s a GR signature.
On the F-35 - the A has an internal cannon, B and C can equip an external gun pod on the center pylon. And no, the B cannot viff (vector in forward flight) like the Harrier can, due to using a lift fan rather than vectored nozzles.
I know it frustrates you guys but I absolutely love it when the AI carrier antics begin. Gives me a good laugh each time.
This is why I have no hair left...
@@grimreapers And your baby is learning lots of colorful words!
@@grimreapers Take all the Ensigns out of the planes and off the carrier bridge. THAT should fix it, lol!
Question-- would having a 2nd empty carrier help? Could you instruct the aircraft to RTB to the empty carrier?
The F-4 cannon issue wasn't a cannon issue, it was a training issue. The gun-less Navy Phantoms kill ratio went up even above the USAF "be-gunned" Phantom kill ratio after the fighter weapons school program was implemented.
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One thing these video's never replicate is the shock the enemy would experience at getting hit from so far out.
I married into a Chamorro family (natives of guam) and was treated to nearly endless stories from the patriarch of the family as to his experiences during the occupation.
11:18 Absolutely every able bodies person on Guam the Japanese could pressgang into service were recruited to aid. The occupation was brutal.
I heard a couple of stories that very much stayed with me.
In the first my grandfather in law drove a Japanese truck (after being pressganged into service... he apparently always volunteered regardless of experience or ability you will understand this later) into a crater in a road by accident wrecking it entirely. The Japanese were not pleased and resolved to find out who had done it... apparently my grandfather in law said "no it wasn't me, it was my brother" this doesn't immediately sound like much of a story...
You have to understand, the Chamorro people were converted to Catholicism by Spanish missionaries (nearly all catholic at the time) so they had huge families... Combine this with Pac Islander cultural practices to merge family groups into extended auntie/uncle, cousin groups that intermingle in groups that may or may not have any familial relation and you get large family groups that a fairly confusing to outsiders to sort out... I spent the first 2 years at my wife's family events being introduced to folks i knew i had no hope of sorting out. It took YEARS of monthly if not weekly events to really internalize all this. Keep in mind i was a volunteer that everyone was glad to have... imagine being a hostile occupation that no one wants...
Of coarse combine this with this rando Japanese soldier or officer's inability to really tell the locals apart.
This is not just a "everyone looks the same" trope... Lets salt the wound a little.... The Chamorro population is extremely traditional when it comes to naming with perhaps 30 different biblically sourced English or Spanish first name, combined with only a few nearly all Spanish or German derived surname groups and you get a nearly impenetrable list of repeating names that are damn near impossible to make sense of without the familial mappings to go with them.
Now a less jovial story.
The occupation was brutal, for whatever whim, public executions by beheading and shootings were common.
my own grandfather in law told a story of being unlucky enough to be rounded up for execution on one occasion after some sabotage had occurred involving explosives... (The rumor is he was involved in the "accidental" destruction of a stockpile of supplies prior to the US invasion... but I have no idea if any of this is the case) As the story goes he was tied and commanded to stand in the hot sun under guard awaiting execution and right before the executioner reached him he passed out... "My prayers were answered" as he put it he narrowly avoided execution and as he told it the Japanese believed that because "he fainted at the sight of the blade" that he would not be trouble so was spared. He had many stories of grappling with his hatred for the Japanese people for the rest of his life... Only through his love and mentorship of young people playing youth baseball (little league) did he eventually travel to japan as a coach much later in life and begin to reconcile...
... Even to this day the Chamorro people are not afforded all the right and privilege's of other American citizens due to their colony status...taxation without representation and 1/3 of the island of guam is used as a military base... taken under a racist scheme of compensation and lengthy discriminatory practice (Chamorro folks were not allowed on the officer's beach "for security reasons" despite it being their ancestral land and often their being actively a part of defense industry efforts on the island...)
Despite all of this pacific islanders and those especially those from Guam serve in the US military at shockingly high rates (~20% of all Chamorro's have served).
Worth celebrating an amazing people...
My father was career Navy. I remember living in Navy housing in San Pedro, CA, just south of Los Angeles when I was about ten and seeing a car with Guam plates. Obviously someone who had just returned from being posted there. What I could not figure out is why they bothered with the expense of shipping it rather than selling it and buying a new one on arrival in California.
@@Fred_Lougee because they probably had an active loan and would have an impossible time finding someone to take over the loan, or a bank to buy it.
@@camerartus I know that now, but had no idea of such things when I was 10.
I hope someday they (along with Puerto Rico) gain statehood.
This isn't a modern aircraft carrier somehow traveled back in time, it's instead japanese ghost fleet appearing in modern day to attack a lone modern aircraft carrier to avenge the crushing defeat. Honestly sounds like a plot of an excellent popcorn flick.
The sequel to The Final Countdown.
Am I wrong in suggesting that a WW2 Japanese force would be disadvantaged against, say, a 2015 carrier with F-35 and F-18 seen here in this video... how about if the same Japanese force fought a 1966-era USN carrier (with F-4, A-7, A-4, F-8, even propeller A-1 Skyraider)... the 20-22 years between WW2 and early Vietnam saw massive improvements in radar and missiles, would the Japanese force fare any better against a 1966 US carrier than it would against a 2016 (aka modern) US carrier? This intrigues me to no end.
How bout a 1953 US carrier with F-84, F9F Panther, F3D Skyknight?
Lol nerd
You should hit up Drachinifel on doing a collab on these. He's British so it would work well time wise for you, He's very knowledgable on WWII naval history and if he doesn't know it off hand he probably has the reference to look it up, and he's done a few collab with other game channels.
To be fair to Drach, he usually doesn't like to posit situations like this as much. Typically he prefers the history that is reasonable changes. Like, some of the fleet staying behind during the battle of Samar.
That said, he's an excellent source and I'd love his feedback on the series.
i'd pay to watch that
Actually I’d suggest Dr. Alexander Clarke. He does a lot of speculative scenarios, and he’s a real gem for us naval history nuts. Oh yeah, he and Drach are friends.
Roger would be nice to have an expert on board.
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I know Alex, and would be more than happy to connect you. He’s really into science and education of the masses - us!
He’s also familiar with DCS, and I’ve been updating him when I find neat new things inside the DCS unit resource files. He’s also the guy I’ve been thinking of every time I mention the Battle of Taranto. He’s done several lectures on it, and it would be interesting to try two carriers instead of one, which is why I really want to model the Swordfish of the FAA.
This is his channel.
m.youtube.com/@DrAlexClarke
I was recently at the Portland airport and got to see 2 F-15s land. As soon as I heard the first one I was like "that's not commercial" and walked over to the window to watch it touch down. I've been to the air shows at McConnell afb in Wichita Kansas but it had been a long time since I've actually seen anything like it. It was really cool getting a side by side comparison between the noise of military aircraft vs civilian. So much louder and just more aggressive sounding 👍
Here in Seattle the Blue Angels do an annual show.
Those hornets may not be big, but they are loud.
If i recall .. the Flagship AC . Its demise was helped out by the chief engineer when he turned the ventilation system on to try clear the vapors from the ruptured fuel tanks . Which in turn just moved the vapor through out the entire ship . The spark that ignited the ship wide detonation cam from a generator for the ventilation system
I'm new to DCS and learning all the intricacies of the software, aircraft, and creating my own training scenarios, and I must say your scenario development is excellent. Well done Cap!
Thanks, we use non-official planes, which is where most of our problems come from.
The Fleet's lights were turned on at the order of Adm. Mitscher. No one else could issue that order and certainly, no ship's Captain would think of breaking light security and issuing that order on their own. I've seen interviews with Naval Aviator veterans of that battle tear up when describing the moment the lights came on. "This way home, boys. This way home." There's a lump in my throat just typing it.
Might it be more reliable to just have the AI planes spawn in the air behind the carrier, like you do with the human pilots?
That would solve all of the problems but I REALLY want to get carrier working properly. I thought I had it nailed this time, worked fine until the actual filmed attempt :(
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I really liked this round-table history format, as much as seeing the GR humans fly! It was really interesting, like a more dynamic style of documentary😅
I don't know if you've heard of it but there was a movie with a premise like this called "The Final Countdown", for a short snippet of the plot the USS Nimitz gets caught in a huge storm that sends her back in time to shortly before the attack on Pearl Harbor. It's an interesting movie and the US Navy allowed the crew to film aboard the USS Nimitz for the movie.
One of my favorites.
That was a really good movie. Brings back memories...one of those movies that cemented my love for the USN as a kid. My eyes were not 20-20, so flight school was not in the plan. Spent my active duty as a submarine officer on a fast attack boat (LA class).
Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, James Farentino, Katherine Ross, Charles Durning...a top cast too!
@@jb678901 I like sub commanders. They don't have time for bullshit. :)
@@vicenteloco5490 Pearl Harbor (2001)...FDR...played by the great Jon Voight (aka The Champ). Smiled when I first heard that line.
saw it in the theater as kid. so bummed there wasn't more dogfight action.
I absolutely agree with Super Cap on the Corsair!!! It’d be great to see some F-4U’s in DCS!!! Another one I’d like to see on that note is the P-38J. I don’t think any Lightning’s participated at the battle of the Philippine Sea, but they were used extensively in the pacific, most famously for Operation Vengeance where they were chosen to shoot down the transport carrying Admiral Yamamoto. That would be a hell of a mission if they ever get P-38’s. It was chosen specifically for its fuel capacity relative to other interceptors, and they had to fly low level the entire time to avoid detection!!!
F4Us are seriously underrated. They’re one of my favorite WW2-era fighters
They would be very difficult to fly and would probably cause more frustration than anything if modeled correctly.
The Operations Room just put out a really great animation and lore video series about this.
Dang, wish I had watched that first lols.
This was entertaining and informative. Glad you had the others on to talk about the actual battle and what led up to it
You guys have to do a day 2 with bombers going after the Japanese fleet.
Yes but should be on day one ! No way they would ' wait until tomorrow ' to strike the jap fleet.
Roger will investigate feasibility.
The fuel fumes were building up but were localised. However, a japanese officer cranked up the air ventilation system to dilute the fumes. This dispersed the fumes over the whole ship and blew it up when a spark from an electrical device ignited in what was in essence a FAE.
What incident was this?
@@yeetsaspizzas3921 Sinking of IJN armored carrier Taiho. USS Albacore put 2 torpedoes into her side, and although watertight integrity was almost entirely unaffected, the hits ruptured a below-waterline aviation fuel tank positioned at the bottom of the aircraft elevator. Avgas fumes leaked up through the elevator shaft, and because Taiho was armored, she had far fewer openings around her hangar and deck for the fumes to escape, and the inbuilt ventilation system couldn't get them out quick enough. The chief damage control officer decided that if they couldn't get the fumes out of the ship with the ventilation, to spread it throughout the ship instead. After a few hours, the, rather predictable in hindsight, outcome of some random spark somewhere on the ship detonating the fumes occurred, causing a massive explosion throughout the ship that sank her.
American ace pilot, call-sign Muck Shovel, Plane- F-15, Kills- lots of American naval aircraft, Mission- Clearing up mucked up carrier wings for the new experimental American A.I pilot program which seems to have a tendency to gum up carriers. Until this problem can be fixed Muck Shovel will be assigned to the unit indefinitely.
TBH, half of the fun about GR videos is watching SuperCap trying to figure out how to deal with AI throughout the game. Love it.
Not trying very hard. If the carriers are defenseless wouldn't the SMART thing to do to try to alleviate the problem be to just add multiple carriers and split the squadrons? Even just the addition of a second carrier would halve the jam chances.
B-52 at high altitude dropping 2k pound Quicksink bombs
When you guys were discussing about the F-35c being "gunless" around the 27 minute mark, based on my research, the c has a bigger fuel tank to increase its range. That's why there isn't an internal gun because it's replaced by a larger fuel tank basically.
The story I heard with the bombers is they were ordered to take off so that they would not be a liability if the carriers got hit. The rest is accurate, that one commander got bored flying in circles and took off with his team to attack the airbase on Guam. He actually thought he'd be reprimanded when he got back for disobeying orders, but the commanders were really thrilled that he took the initiative.
Yeah, 'The Operations Room' has a banger 2 parter on this
australia did simulations between us and the indonesians , in almost all cases indo flankers simply stayed at range and dragged aussie f 35s to the point of bingo fuel forcing us to fire at extreme range , the indo flankers mostly notched all our missiles and flankers being faster and longer range simply chased us down and wiped the floor with us , so thats how you do that
Stealth external fuel tanks....
@@dwwolf4636 last thing you want to do is add more surface area to what already too fat to be actually stealthy thats why its " low observable " and a misconception is stealthy at all times ,,, reality is they can be seen and thhe closer you get to a radar the easier it is to see you , the f 35s party trick is really the ability to sneak up on an enemy , they will be seen but the idea is you dont able enough time to respond to an attack adding even stealth tanks just means the f 35 gives the enemy a couple of minutes extra warning
@@imbetterthanyouisyou should hurry up and defect while they might still think you're worth turning.
What Ive notice in other programs/games for mass missile efficiency....
-Take into account how fast a missile takes to get to a target, for example: 10 seconds from launch to hit
-Place your next missile launcher at least 10 seconds behind the previous launcher to prevent multiple missiles firing on the same target.
-You will have to calculate speed of missile/time to impact/etc/etc to find placements.
-CONS: You will naturally have a "less dense" and "more spread" missile coverage and will require high accuracy missiles.
-PROS: Efficiency (only with high accuracy missiles)
-In a perfect world you want as many missiles as you can get and over-saturate the enemy/area with cost or supply not being an issue.
Late in the war, and specifically for this scenario, the Japanese had not had time to refine the petroleum (it was essentially bunker fuel) and so most of the vessels were floating time bombs filling up with fumes that normally would have been processed out through distillation but that were extremely susceptible to accidental detonation. One of the carriers they lost late in the war wasn't even hit by the Americans. It just had some on board spark that detonated when the entire lower deck reached the right mix of fuel and oxygen. Survivors claimed that they had been trying to evacuate the fumes but that there was a problem with the venting systems on the Japanese fleet.
YES!!! This is going to be a Great Battle! Thanks for all of your time, specially yours CAP! I know what having a New One in the house is like.... Really appreciate your time....
The addition of a gun to the Phantom really didn't make that much of a difference. The Navy didn't add a gun and instead developed the TOPGUN program, which taught pilots how to properly use their missiles. The Air Force added a gun. By the end of Vietnam the AF achieved a 5:1 K/L ratio while the Navy achieved a 12:1 ratio.
The simple truth is that the gun is obsolete. Even if you somehow get to the merge with an F-35, which is a monumental achievement, HOBL means the F-35 doesn't even need to get its nose on you to ruin your day.
well but the usa discoverd that when you run out of missles if you don't have guns as a fallback your bascly screwed with the enemy used there own guns on you also the guns are good for taking out lightly armourd targets if you run out of air to gonud missles and bombs.
@@ashtiboy Again, that is demonstrably false due to the fact that the Navy didn't add a gun and still achieved a superior outcome.
And the fact is that there is nothing forcing you to merge with a bandit if you're Winchester on BVR missiles, especially not if you're in a fifth-gen fighter. And SDBs can do everything a gun can do against ground targets.
@@ashtiboy The OP is historically correct, actually.
The USAF made their own trouble for themselves, despite the historical revisionist fixation on guns. They also did other goofy crap like demanding flights of four in finger-four, and making the whole flight maneuver around an established flight lead to pursue and engage bandits. The Navy moved to mutual support pairs, with whichever plane got on a bandit first assuming element lead role. Much more flexible.
Boys are great…they rarely have a problem that can’t be fixed with beef jerky or pizza
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1:10:00 "if you thought this was buggy you ain't seen nothing yet" I'm officially putting in a request to record and upload the video prep bloopers! I was honestly more invested in the angst and anxiety that was going on than the actual scenario; would just need some simple editing to clip the reaction parts and skip the everything-is-working less interesting parts. The mission prep sessions would also make for a good Twitch/Kick/CZcams live stream, which does way better monetization with subs and donations that would help pay for the expensive baby, so do it to it!
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radio proximity fuse was in fact an American invention. the type we used was one of the most under rated inventions of the war.
The F-35B & F-35C both utilize the 25 mm GAU-22/A in their external Gun Pod Unit. For this scenario, with the F-35C in beast mode, the gun pod could have been mounted.
I enjoyed watching you GM mode the F-15C to "un-jam" the CV flight deck. It seems an AH-1Z, or other helicopter gunship would allow you to clear the deck more efficiently.
I wonder how the Battle off Samar would have played out with modern Destroyers in the place of USS Johnston and her companions and a modern CV instead of the escort carriers? Taffy 3 threw themselves at Japanese Center force(IJN Yamato and her escorts) so aggressively, for much of the engagement the Japanese were convinced they were facing much heavier units so had AP rounds loaded instead of HE. They figured out the mistake but by that time Johnston and her sisters along with aircraft had inflicted enough dmg AND had enough torpedoes in the water it was the Japanese that turned and retreated even though Center force had Taffy 3 hilariously outnumbered and ridiculously out classed in terms of ship involved.
No idea if you guys are already aware of Drachinifel but if you aren't and are into Naval history, I highly recommend checking him out. He has videos on just about everything you guys were talking about in here plus much more 🤗
The Battle off Samar and Taffy 3 is literally 'You want to fuck around? Time to Find the Fuck Out.' Johnston and her fellow destroyers charge the largest battleship ever bulit, AND her escorts
Mitcher (spelling?) recovered most of the pilots from the water. He also directed all of the ships to turn all of their lights on and point their spotlights skyward in order to guide the aircraft. It was a huge risk due to the submarine threat, but it did save many aircraft. So the losses were mainly hardware, not humeware.
New phrase for you; meatware/squishware.
It would be cool to do an actual historical recreation of some of these carrier battles too.
Cap, I hope you and your family are doing well. I have been waiting for this very simulation since I began watching your channel. thank you
Thanks John
The Operations Room recently made a video on the Battle of the Philippine Sea. It shows the entire battle and pretty accurate formations for the Japanese and US fleets.
Lol once again I'd love to see a similar scenario with one escorting 90's Iowa Class Battleship!🙏👍
90's Iowa not working ATM.
@@grimreapers Yo Cap why you keep on taking down the Vids I'm trying to send you...??
The way the Zeros would made easy work of the P-51 Mustangs, they would climb and the Mustang would follow and stall, and the Zeros would turn around and on the way down shred the P-51s, when the F6F Hellcats hit the skies, they would climb and turn around only to see the Hellcat right up there with them firing at them and smashing them down.
My suggestion is a small ship that holds a few choppers next to the carrier, and the GR tram can turkey shoot returners and jam-ups. Have the empty planes return for more targets.
The one thing I have a problem with besides not using a carrier group is, ... you still don’t have them (AI or humans) to form up! Especially the WWII stuff. They gathered into their formations before kicking off from the base of operations.
Still now... today.
Well in this instance there's really no need to have the modern fighters group up as they're just long range missile launch platforms and face no opposition that would be benefited by having singular or multiple wingmen.
I'm wondering. Have you fellas ever tried a battle based on the film "The Final Countdown"? That would be the U.S.S. Nimitz circa 1980 vs the Japanese fleet attacking Pearl Harbor.
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Now do it again with a strike group going after the Japanese carriers! Maybe you'd need to add a second aircraft carrier for that?
ok
@@grimreapers another awesome one would be more period realistic. What if Halsey didn't take the bait and split his fleet at the Battle of Leyte Gulf? So many big battle wagons!
This is what I want from Cap, just realistic balanced battles between modern forces, so serious❤
The pacific theater is my favorite theater of the war. its somewhat of my specialty. I just want DCS to start making Pacific Warbirds i want my Zero and Hellcat....
I would love to see more WWII aircraft added to DCS
So would GR.
Pacific planes plz.
I really liked the casual history lesson that went on with the less interesting bits of the simulation going on in the background. Like up until the first missile launch.
If you launch 1/3 each (30/90) from 3 carriers, then that should leave enough deck space and by the time they get ready to come back, the launching is done. Plus the rate at which DCS a/c launch is slower than IRL anyway.
Thank you for this Cap. I’ve been feeling depressed today, and you’ve made me laugh so much. I really enjoy the commentary. 🙂👍
Pleasure.
I can see a lot of different videos coming out of this scenario, shall be fun to see what comes up next!
The F35c does have a gun irl. It’s just externally mounted under the fuselage simulator to the early F4 Phantoms.
It’s a 25mm GA2 22 and it’s also optional on the B model.
Cap's stream of consciousness rant at 70 minutes is epic! :)
How you can tell I'm not getting enough sleep...
Do this with the Battle of Coral Sea, first over the horizon aircraft only battle. Ships never saw one another nor shot at one another.
The British were not the first to develop usable proximity fuses the USA did. Early in the war, the British sent the cavity magnetron and their proximity fuze prototypes to the USA because Britain thought that it was impossible to produce them in quantity. The original British proximity fuze was large and couldn't withstand high G loads so it was only suitable to use in unguided anti-aircraft rockets. However, American industry was able to mass produce miniaturized and ruggedized cavity magnetrons for Allied radars and a proximity fuze that could be used in artillery shells. The cavity magnetron allowed Allied radars to be much more powerful and smaller than their Axis equivalents.
Anti-aircraft shells developed before proximity fuzes were either barometric, pyrotechnic, or clockwork fuzes. If you look at the film of the AA drill during the battle of Britain they stick the nose of the shell into a mechanical fuze setter which turns the clockwork fuze to set its travel time. The AA battery had a time-setting clock that was linked to the radar station and a coincidence range-finder to estimate flight time. The advantage of the proximity fuze is it removed a great deal of the guesswork regarding fuzing. If the shell was close to the target it exploded and since there was no time wasted on setting fuzes the rate of fire increased. Proximity fuzes also gave land forces a great advantage because airburst HE-fragmentation rounds could be triggered at the optimum height to cause the most casualties to enemy forces caught in the open.
Aight now do it with a full US CBG, Also they'd most likely went with a Diamond Formation
Great video, high entertainment value. Thanks for uploading it. I just had the pleasure of watching with a nice southwestern Washington spring electrical storm happening so lots of thunder made for a surreal complement to the game audio.
Something that would be cool would be some scenarios to ilustrate just how rapid technology advancements were in the 20th century. reenact battles but set one side to have the gear they would've had 20 years out of date. So you could so a 1980s battle with one side having 2000s gear for example
for this video, it would be the americans having 1 or 2 CSGs from 1965
Oh, that be interesting. Unfortunately DCS has very few 60s assets and even less Naval 60s ships or planes 😖
Caps frustration is so entertaining 😂🤣😂
Someones probably already said it, in US service the B models are Marines only and the C is used by both the Navy and Marines. Both the B and C models have an external gun pod, well they may have if they've gotten it working yet :)
Bloody hell, that F-35 model looks amazing, given that it's not an official one!
I now have an image in my mind of the carrier's CAG standing on the flightdeck, whistling and shouting "COME BY!! COME BY!!"
♥Super Cap and team...blimin awesome job all around it looked really hard to do from your end but excellent Tube watching from our end...Can't wait for day 2 😁
Hoping Mum and Cap Jr and the rest of your fam are all well ⛳
Japanese usual fleet strategy was to have the carriers on their own at the back with minimal escort and have all the capital ships forward in a separate screening force.
Original they had 3 circles around the aircraft carrier whit the oiler and freighters in a 4th group slightly ahead the carrier groups have been in a big l shape few miles apart.
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Ehh you’re mostly right, I’d say on the acronyms, but it’s also handy, as it creates a fast, easy, memorable word for those of us that do that type of thing of every day, and everyone knows what you mean, the capabilities, etc
Fair comment. I;m not sure any other countries do it?
@@grimreapers I honestly don’t think others do, at least not officially, and definitely not to the level we do. I can see it being an issue to others, but for me. Who did do that type stuff for 5 yrs. And was always into the military and history, so I kinda knew and got a lot of the older stuff, then I joined and was a part of it, seems completely ‘normal’ but also funny. Cause at times even us in the US Military are like dod you really need to make that an acronym?
SPECIAL REQUEST- I know you do the Alien ( star wars empire) Can you maybe do a hypothetical UFO ( maybe the Tic Tac aircraft) over Europe ? UK? 'Merica ? Love the channel.❤
Sure
Always include as many humans as possible 😊
Train a co developer and assemble a team to role play missions. Design the scenarios together.
Have those that participate record their own streams. This can be edited together for a final episode giving a better overview of the entire battle. Not freaking easy. It’ll take a while.
But it should free you to participate or directors view a battle as well, in a first run scenario. And stuff you miss, will likely be captured if others record. Maybe have one human dedicated to the camera man role,
Would love to see the Kuznetsov and her Mig-29KR’s try this and see how that would play out.
Problem is she can only carry 24 planes? And our 29KR's still have the wrong amount of pylons.
Now I'm imagining Cap spawning her in with drydock still attached, cause Lord knows that ship can't float on her own.
Give the plane an order to land at an airfield with infinite capacity. Solves the RTB problem.
Early in WWII Japanese submarines had been successful but their defeats at the Coral Sea and Midway forced the Navy to use its submarines for scouting instead of interdicting Allied supply lines. Japan focused on the decisive fleet action to the detriment of all other fleet functions. This meant they gave insufficient protection to their convoys carrying oil from Indonesia. This meant the Japanese convoys were very vulnerable to attack from American submarines and aircraft in the South China Sea. Since the Japanese couldn't secure their oil supply they lacked fuel and lubricants which exacerbated Japan's decision to focus on decisive large fleet actions to the detriment of normal operations. They felt they needed to hoard their fuel to launch large and decisive attacks.
The Army and Navy also didn't get along so the Navy wouldn't provide escorts to convoys carrying oil destined for Army refineries. Since the Army and Navy wouldn't cooperate there were completely separate logistics for both. Separate ships, convoys, port facilities, refineries, and storage depots. Towards the end of the war Japanese warships were burning unrefined oil in their boilers. The corrosive effects of the high sulfur oil destroyed their boilers so a large percentage of their warships ended up broken down in foreign ports where they were destroyed by US carrier aircraft and submarines.
Due to a lack of oil supplies, the Japanese increased the proportion of alternative fuels for their aviation fuel. Things like synthetic oil from coal, turpentine, alcohol, and reclaimed cooking oil were distilled to create aviation fuel which had a negative effect on serviceability and performance.
All the talk about the importance of accurate intelligence, got me thinking of a saying I heard in the 1980's, "Now you know, and knowing is half the battle."
That was pretty intense! Listening to Cap stress added real life drama that took me back to that battle!
I presume the E2Cs, Growlers, and the American carrier have signal jamming capabilities. Jamming / deceiving the Japanese search radars would make it much more difficult to find the American carrier. Comm / nav signals would also to easy to jam, as each would be terrestrial & not spread spectrum. Taking out the Japanese search planes / pickets would limit survelliance even more.
Once hostilities commenced, I imagine strike aircraft would launch supersonic ground attack / standoff missions to disable the Japanese carriers & runways, and limit the number of swarming Zeros that could get in the air. Or, better yet, wait until dark & strike first!
Without any of these considerations, this scenario isn't very "realistic." It's a missile count v Zero count battle.
Love the channel, BTW! Good stuff.
All planes in DCS only have self-protection jammers, no area of effect jammers.
Answer to your F-35 A/B/C Both the bravo and Charlie can carry a gun pod on the belly. The alpha has it mounted on the top left leading edge extension above the intake.
Imaging Infra Red Seekers can have very good targeting parameters to prevent the missile from hitting designated friendlies within its database. The Naval Strike Missile does this when seeking military targets within Civilian shipping. Cap you would probably be better off having an Apache with A2A Missiles for Muck Cleaning with its 30mm turret and all :) or a Tank on deck lol
My Dad was stationed at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge 1974 to 1977! The elementary school I went to the playground ran right up to the flight line. During recess I'd go to the fence and watch F-4s go to afterburner as they intercepted Soviet bombers over the North Sea. I also enjoyed it because I got to be in Britain during the Bicentennial!
@40mins - 40 targets? No, the two main RADARs on board Type 45 can independently track about 1000 targets each, the overlap between the S1850M and SAMPSON can be merged or de-duplicated by the mission computers. Both RADAR systems are to be upgraded during the next refit (as part of the ICBM threat improvements) which will increase that number. It will be interesting to see if the main computing platform is upgraded at the same time (currently Windows 2000!)
I must have got it confused with how many targets it can fire at.
@@grimreapers Indeed the entire swarm could easily be tracked by a single Type 45 - although obviously flying effectively in a single file would required multiple networked assets spaced out to track them due to masking unless they were flying across the view of the RADAR. The type 997 RADAR on Type 23 frigates can also track nearly a thousand targets simultaneously and an upgrade is in progress to double that.
From what I understand the 35B and 35C can mount a gun pod as it was meant to primarily be a strike fighter for the CAG and MAG as well. The Super Hornets are meant to be the primary fleet defense fighter
Great video for my “sick day” catch-up marathon. 🍻 🍺 🇨🇦 Vet
Get well soon!
It was the pilots and tactics in the hellcats and corsairs that saved the day. They simply wouldn't turn with the Zeroes. They'd boom and zoom them from above, flame 2 or 3, then run. Thank you General Claire Chennault and the Flying Tigers for that tactic.
Borneo oil had trace elements of things like magnesium (and the like) in them. Using them was very dangerous. In one tanker sinking (IIRC 6 of them by one sub) they went up like they were loaded with artillery shells.
My grandfather served with the Army Air-corp on Tinien as a mechanic. He saw the Enola Gay take off to drop the bomb.
Lookup the Battle of Samar and Task Force 77.4 aka Taffy 3
6 escort carriers (Taffy 3), 3 destroyers, 4 destroyer escorts vs 4 battleships, heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 11 destroyers
The Japanese were less than 20 miles from the US task force when US ASW patrol planes spotted the Japanese battleships.
Close enough that the lookouts from Taffy 3 saw the Japanese AAA shooting at the US patrol as they attacked the IJN battleships and cruisers with depth charges.
The US destroyers closed the distance to buy time and they started taking fire from the Yamato at 17 miles.
Meanwhile Taffy 3's carriers turned east and launched their airwings with whatever ordnance they had already loaded, even if it was just machine guns.
Yup on the TODO list.
You finally figured out that you can turn your carrier around. Stupefaction !
I was wondering if you'd look at the Battle of Samar. What would happen if you replaced the 6 escort carriers and escort with all the aircraft from Taffy 1 and 2 with a modern aircraft Carrier with or without the escorts. Completely sink the Japanese force of 4 battleships including the Yamato. 6 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 11 destroyers and 36 kamazi attackers
I love the F35. The only mistake Lockheed Martin made, and that annoys me a lot, is that until today they refuse to send me one. If I had one, I would be the coolest guy on my local flight club.
good luck paying for the maintenance ;)
@@0xKruzr of course I thought about that. I mentioned in each of my letters that I can't pay them. Not for the plane, neither for the maintenance. So they would have to take the part. Also I can't fly a F35. So I would require training for which I also can not pay. But I would paint a beautiful picture as thank you. I am still waiting for a response...
Cap - have you figured out an AI setting that allows them to change diapers?
Yep, it's under settings, cockpit settings, Code Brown.
I would pay any amount of $$ for that. ANY $$
@@grimreapers Stay strong, Dad. I have four, including twins. It just keeps getting better and better, I promise. But at first....you have to get wrist deep in shit.
Love your videos! Just wondering, when running into the issues of take offs/landing, would it work to have a secondary carrier away from the battle area just for recovery?
They did talk about that toward the end of the video. Given the recovery rate for the AIs, they may have to use more than one.
@@surferdude4487 lol Yeah, I typed that very early while watching... Guess I need to wait longer.
I think one of the big issues was when carrier aircraft didn’t come home it was presumed they diverted to land bases so the admiral greatly overestimated his forces on day two. And the land based pilots were horribly undertrained. Literally put on land bases because they weren’t good enough for carriers
The engineers in Britian and Germany worked on the proximity fuse but the US perfected one that was different at it used mercury that was released by the spinning of the round to close prepare the circuit to be able to close, then when it hit the magnetic field created by an aircraft, it would close the circuit and the fuse would burn and trigger the explosion.
I'm still kind of curious about a united battle group with a Type 055, Type 45, a Burke, and an LHD (with a full compliment of AV-8Bs). I know you did a modern composite surface group fleet, but I think a "deck" could make a difference. After WWII, the US started fielding an early version of an AWACS, based on a Grumman TBM Avenger. The F-35C is a pretty plane, but has one weakness, in my opinion, it doesn't have an internal cannon. I'm waiting for a "Delta" model with an integral cannon. The "A" model has a Mauser BK-27 cannon, and the "B" and "C" models only can be fitted with a gun pod. My closest actual air base is Gowen Field, and the 124th FS, but my preference would be Mountain Home AFB, and the 390th TFS and the Bold Tigers, with their F-15Es. Dang Cap, you are making me write a novel for a comment!!! I was stationed on the Lincoln (CVN-72) and that hard turn reminds me of our post refit maneuvers. 😄 If I named the AIM-260, I'd just call it a "Stick" or "Club". My love of aviation started when I checked out a book on airplanes in elementary school, and my parents ran with it. My first experience with an actual airplane was on my 11th birthday in an 1947 Aeronica Champion (7AC) and I was hooked from that point!!!
Reminds me of "The Final Countdown" movie ... always wanted to do a DCS scenario like that ... USS Nimitiz and airwing vs. the Pearl Harbor IJN fleet in a time travel / change history type scenario.
I believe the reason that the Grim Reapers always use A6M2 Zeros from carriers, is that DCS doesn't have any other Japanese aircraft [D3A Val dive bombers, and B5N Kate torpedo bombers]. This is why they use Ju-88s instead of Betty bombers, in scenarios calling for those aircraft.
The F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) and F-35C naval variant have no internal cannon, but can carry an optional gun pod carrying the GAU-22/A with 220 rounds on their centerline station.