Trouble At Our Second Track Day
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Both Ben and I have made improvements to our cars to allow us to go faster out on track. At our second track day, we really started to push the envelope! However, with going faster comes a few different problems that we faced.
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Quality content👌
Truth!
They deft make some of the best videos
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Good story telling...which differentiates you from basic vlogging that is ubiquitous and hard to maintain novelty.
*This really makes you realize AND appreciate how well built oem cars are over modified.*
sdlausen or how poorly engineered most modified cars are
or just realize how modifying your car comes with risk and reward. (you do realize that we do this all because of that, right? we're not all experts so it's a process of trial and error.)
Next build on the channel - how to build a reliable track car.
victor kanuik step 1, don't build it. Lol, stock, with decent tires, good brake pads, good overall mechanical condition, and fresh fluids. Lots of Hondas and Mazdas that can hit the track stock and have a blast.
YES! if you want to keep going to these events, a new reliable car is a must. get a RWD car that has cheap consumables....like a miata. i drive an s2000 and EVERYTHING is expensive. tires, brakes, and a BUNCH of seat time...you will be a lot more happy.
I would make this video if I knew how to build a reliable track car.
Gears and Gasoline Matt Huffman kinda explained it to you lol
Don't build, drive something stock that is reliable, get good pads and tires and you're set
I think the secret is to buy a miata and then just leave it alone.
The brake pad thing is normal I keep spare sets in my car
Turning your rotors every few pad changes helps slow it down
It suxs it broke down
I hope it’s something simple!
pretty sure he blew a hole in a piston, IG spoiled that one if im right
never never never turn your rotors, it’s one of the biggest safety hazards anyone can do for brakes.
+Facade it's a bigger hazard not turning your rotors because they can shatter overheat and worp also if the rotor is not smooth you will ruin your pads also your loseing stoping power it's not bad to turn a rotor that's in spec
Both of you are right and wrong. Turning rotors on a street car doesn't harm much. The pads aren't aggressive enough on most street cars (and by that I mean the standard Civics and Camrys) to overheat discs, and are not used nearly as often in high stress conditions, so turning the rotors only helps bed in new pads more effectively given that the optimum temperature for the maximum friction coefficient won't be reached often enough on most street cars often (unless Bunta Fujiwara borrowed your Prius for the night).
On race cars on the other hand it's a different story. Now note that race-cars have to meet the spec for brakes to follow the homologations of whatever racing class they are in (i.e. Cayman GT4, which has 20" wheels and massive brembos in street trim, while the CS and CS MR trims get 18" wheels with smaller performance friction calipers (and by transitive property, rotors)). Most often, performance street cars run the same pad, or the variation of the same pad on one set of rotors (and more or less applies to race cars). Not to mention, they have 2 piece floating rotors, or at least 2 piece rotors, just like the race cars. They don't suffer from most of the beating handed to them by the racing pads as much as one piece rotors, so in turn they don't have to be cut (and if I remember correctly, it's advised to never cut them and just replace them). And one piece rotors found on the spec miatas and whatnot don't suffer that much of a beating as long as a quality brand is purchased (i.e. brembo).
At the end of the day, cross hatching the rotors with some 200-400 grit sand paper never hurts, and has the benefits of both(cutting and not cutting) without the drawbacks. That's pretty much all that's done to flywheels and rotors in most shops, and most rotors getting new pads even on the street cars don't get cross hatched more often than every 2-3 changes. Basically it all depends on a variety of factors as to whether you should turn your rotors or shouldn't.
-Suren.
+1 to keeping spare pads. I think everyone learns that lesson at some point. I won't start a weekend on less than 2/3rds pad thickness without having a spare set of "real" pads, and I'll typically have some crappy "get home" pads that I leave in the toolbox just in case.
Short and tall Ben
Nice
Timothy your here???
Short Ben: Don't even trip about your engine my dude, that's just an opportunity to learn more about the car. Tear that shit apart and rebuild it and go back and race again.
Tall Ben: One of my racing mentors once taught me that if you're not going off track, you're not trying to get faster. Don't be scared to go off, and just go back to more track days and push the car farther.
-Suren.
P.S.: Come out to SoCal sometime and race with us down here!
The most informative video about what to do on a track day without boring people out.
just buy an old corvette/miata as a track build. Those are some of the best cars to learn on and if built right can be absolutely bullet proof
Patty Boi but at the same time he wants to drive the car he wants on the track and while tracking a miatas great to do to learn how to drive some, he will have to go back some when he goes back to the escort or evo
Miatas are so mainstream though. Everyone has one. They’re also kind of ugly. He’s doing this build because escorts aren’t common, run-of-the-mill WRX’s and miatas. I love this build because it’s an unusual car. I’m so done with seeing miatas.
yeah, i prefer the odd, more subtle builds people dont expect. I got a lot of interesting looks or comments when people asked about my car (sold it now)...a 2004 Cavalier. But with a swapped motor, upgraded.ported blower, and bumper to bumper upgrades while keeping it almost 100% stock looking...it shocked a lot of people. In fact, my 04 Cav was blue and a 2 door, so it looked very similar to his Escort! Unusual cars ftw ^_^
Love this content. I am starting my HPDE classes and track days next month and I have been watching grid life and now this. It's awesome, keep it up.
It's addictive! Next thing you know, you bought a race car, trailer, the whole bit, lol! See ya out there!
Love this channel. Keep it up!
On another note, it's so funny to watch you guys go through this. Every other youtube channel is like "twin turbo your civic for the track!" But having a heavily modified car has really hurt you. This is so much more grounded in reality than the rest of youtube.
Keep the zx2 going!! I’m building mine right now. You inspired me to build and push the limits of my Escort too.
That Zx2 is a really cool build.
It's like everything not to do for a track day.
- Go off track multiple times (obviously driving above abilities, as a novice, still slow)
- Show up with not enough brake pad material (Could be dangerous to yourself or possibly hit someone else)
- Blow an engine (best case scenario is cancelling the session to get towed off, worst case is spilling oil/fluid and making it dangerous for everyone else)
HPDEs are meant to be fun and educational. It's especially rewarding to push oneself, make some minor on track mistakes, learn from them and improve. This is veering on irresponsibility for basic track etiquette.
I learned a lot from this video like, most of how the lap times and the actual track prep and everything is from the driver.. like the driver is such a key element in dragging, tracking, time attack etc. because the driver is what what puts the car together, sure he/she could have help with like rebuilding the motor or trans or just stripping the interior, and this doesn't only apply to cars, but like motorbikes or truck, also the driver's skill is another key element that is basically a supplementary good to the body and mind...
You guys were just at my Advance store in Tallahassee! I have a sr20 swapped S14. The forester and Evo look great guys.
This is amazing, great content, clean video, you guys don't try to mask your level of skill AND you talk about what you could have done differently. Very real for a lot of us weekend warriors. Tyres and brakes are more important than horsepower and definitely how a car looks. I love that you used a Ford Escort, Ford Escorts have a looong racing history. Keep up the good work.
I am REALLY impressed bythe quality of your camerawork and how i feel your content is NOT wasting my time, compared to other youtubers. The flow of your videos is amazing and consistent. At first i thought you were a professional team, like Top Gear or something, haha. Thank You.
Good luck with the motor! If you haven't already, make sure you upgrade your brake fluid along with your pads. That's typically what ends up failing in the braking system as you get quicker and use them harder. All of what you're saying/learning is great information for folks new to the addiction!
"so I went into the pits and found someone running the same engine as me so I'm gonna put it in the car and go again"
Great vid lads, keep these Trackday vids coming!
THE QUALITY... such a good quality video as always... by the way, when is the next just drive video?👀
Its cool to see vids of you guys on tracks i plan on going to
Today was very exciting at Summit. 2 rolled BMW's and a bunch of so-called "off-track excursions," it was a rough Saturday for some...tomorrow is calling for rain and storms.
Love the hypergrams and the car don’t see a lot of people racing those!
So whats the plan for the escort? My only request is that you keep it. Don't give up on it.
Cyclecar Garage Exactly!
I have the same exact car short Ben has, a 1998 Ford Escort ZX2. Seeing him mod his gives me so much inspiration to mod mine.
And even if his isn't perfect, it shows that the fastest car doesn't have to be the more well-known ones.
timex987987, yeah man my first car was an 89 escort. Ben's build make me want a zx2
I hope get sone good tires
I’m loving the escort build! Don’t give up on it! It’s a great, unique car and looks really good!
Man its so cool to see you guys go on your track journey. My r32 is almost done and I will be hitting my first track even this summer in it!
Damn, that EVO !!!! As strong as rock ! ...no failures what so ever
Short Ben,
In my experience tracking there are two things you should look at.
1. Cooling is the highest priority. Oil cooling, coolant cooling, transmission cooling. This has good effects on down the line. It keeps the engine from pinging or the oil from getting too thin/allowing metal on metal. If I had to guess, your car died of ping and/or too tight piston ring clearance. Temp control helps both those things.
2. Dude, ditch the drilled rotors. They don't help anything and the propagate cracks. They are time bombs. Regular discs are way better or, if you want a tiny advatage in clearing glaze off the pads, slotted or dimpled rotors are fine.
Thanks for the advice man! The engine failure was actually from a clogged injector, leaning out cylinder #1. Also, the drilled rotors are the only rotor that wilwood offers for that big brake setup.
Door strike events can really break your pockets. You should inform people that they can work for points. Think it's if you work three track events you get one track day
Love your content guys. Amazing quality. Great story. And great hosting form you. Keep it coming!!!
really enjoy this series. hope to see you both on the track again soon!!
One of the best channles i found. The Quality, the camera angels, the details of the videos. I love them. I hope you guys will get a lot more attention. Keep those awesome videos going.
Konig Hypergrams are one of my favorite wheels.
Great video, I'm into go-karting myself but I'm thinking about getting into spec miata. So your videos give me a good look at how certain things go on track days
I can’t believe you all went to summit point I live hella close I would have loved to have met you guys!
Awesome vid! please move the catch can ports to the front of the valve cover and you will not have to empty the catch can so much!
I would if I could :( there's a baffle on the backside but not the front, so it wouldn't work.
Gears and Gasoline ohh gotcha, just trying to help
Great content guys. Fantastic
Time for a new car.
He does have that legacy gt wagon right?
When you broke your arm you bought a new one? Lol
loving this little series, Bens!
Killer video, guys. It was great working with you. Best luck with the repairs, and see you at the track!
I remembered my last track day which was over a yr ago I was mad cse I didn't even get to use the full potential out of my EBC yellow stuff pads like I wanted I was breaking good & hugging the apex beautifully
solid video! funny because i just finished up day 1 at summit point w/ NASA. a couple events ago, i ran into the same issue as you by running my pads all the way to the backing plate and having to cut my weekend short by one session...now, i always keep a new set of pads with me because it sucks to not get back on track due to a consumable...vs mechanical failure. hope to see you guys out there one day! as for going off on turn 4, thats a tough corner to go off on. that definitely could have been a LOT worse.
Dawn and a green scrubby or sponge with a scrubby side will get your hands looking clean, scrub until it's all been loosened, then rinse :-D
Careful out there. I have to say that if you are going 4 wheels off in your first couple track days, you really need to back it off a notch. Not worth it to wreck your car when you aren’t actually competing.
great content..!! guys ..I just want to point out one thing...both your hands at the end were all black and greased.. this is what a true petrol head should be I guess...hats off guys...eagerly waiting for the next video...! keep up the amazing work guys..!
Next episode: I turned my evo into a time attack machine
This comment aged well!
Cool video! Matt Huffman rules too btw; his channel is really entertaining and full of solid driving.
where is the legacy wagon?
Kaleb Juliu I suppose in a parking lot at Andrewtech Automotive. He can't finish the build due to legal issues, I think. Something about the title
Nice escort👍 I have a 98 escort lx 230,000 still running 😃
Haha short Ben got a sunburn!
I always get sunburnt. :(
This video was cool AF! Sorry that shorty blew his engine...that was A LOT of mud coming out of his catch can. take the head off, GAP THE NEW RINGS, try again. It's just an engine. Much love, from Tampa!
Also, you have inadvertently created a great reminder to everyone watching to bring a fresh set of brake pads if they are driving to/from the track -_-
I still love the Escort.
Do you?
"I do I do I DO-oooooo!!"
this channel deserves millions of subs
Damn man. I got a civic ek9 type r spoon built and its a blast to drive on the track.
AAAYYYOOO the mk4 GOLF behind Hyott with the Santa Fe Wheels is y exact car!!!!
If you did cams springs retainers, full bolt ons and injectors you could make close to 400 wheel easy on the evo
probably an oil starvation issue. as a matter of fact the evo has that issue on long sweeping turns. I'm no track guy but I've owned an Evo and oil starvation at the track is a real thing and as hard as the tall guy is pushing his car I would consider a baffled sump or a modified pick up location
Next event nothing basic should go wrong, as long as they've prepared the cars in the meantime.
Great video guys. Suck about the problems you guys had but hey that’s racing.
you should take the legacy wagon to the track when you get it fixed
“Short Ben”
Glad we have a way to differentiate
Can you make a video, about what maintenance you do to a stock daily car (Ben's Evo) after a track day.
Great video as always!
Just curious what something like this costs? Very difficult to find places like this on the west coast that offers instruction and track time like that at a reasonable cost. As for Ben spinning the Evo? I did that too at Willow springs. Nothing like doing a 100+ in an Evo 9 in a blind corner and then you begin to spin and hold on for dear life ✝👍. Miss those days and miss my Evo 9 everyday. Had mine for 5 yrs and had to sell it for financial reasons. It is what it is. Great video guys, keep up the good work 👍
i think its around $425 for two days. NASA is an awesome organization that provides outstanding instruction.
Oh, nice.
will you eventualy enter a race event or are you just tracking for fun? ty for the content guys
And thats why i built a custom turbo optimised engine on an ls bare v8 block.
Is Hoyt Brown the real life Andy Banard?
absolutely lol
It’s time to get rid of the escort. It would look better parked next to a trailer on jackstands
You should get a fiesta st
Time for a Toyota swap on the Escort! That's probably what I'm gonna be doing with mine, engine blew on my ZX2 as well.
Buy some yellow stuff pads! They are pretty awespme
This is rather unrelated. But living in West Virginia, I'm glad I dont hear people making false claims about the intelligence and what not of the people here. Ive heard people who legitimately think people here dont know what shoes are.
Mk7 GTI representtttt
Ben deserves a new car honestly. He's a good driver. He needs a GTR for real. Love you Ben and Ben
starscream 37 whats wrong with the escort? It’s a great car. GTR’s are so boring and mainstream
Matt Huffman!!!!
Ben, you're 10 from the neck up is quite severe and you can see that in that final scene you need to need to see some sunlight sometime this summer.
I don't think I've seen the Bens standing next to each other like that ever before, makes you realize how tall Tall Ben really is! Yikes, how does he fit in the Evo???
Is Ben small or is Ben tall ?
Ben is tall, 6'3"
Ben out of Ben would comment again !
Those 2.0 zetecs have weak rods. I had a zx3 focus but it was all motor with stage 2 crowed cams
Todd L just to let you know he has a first gen Escort block with eagle rods and he pistions. Forged internals
Good content as usual....
West Virginiaaaaaaaa!
If you sleep at the track bring earplugs so you get a good nights sleep!
Short ben is the better driver for sure :P
It's a good day at the track when you just need new brake pads🤣🤣🤣🤣
Catch can lowering your oil level in conjunction with hard turns... kick your ass?
i have never seen that gray fluid in a catch can .. is that oil?
Love your videos
Legends
Imagine if Ben put coils on the Evo.
It's weird how far along the Instagram page is to how far back the videos are, I understand how editing and working on a car is a hassle but man has so much happened since the engine blew
I know man, we've got a lot of videos in the queue :/
Gears and Gasoline Keep 'em coming!
Stock Mitsubishi Evo's must be pretty reliable if you can run them on the track just how they are... Sad to hear about the Escort, maybe switch to a Subaru WRX, Miata, or something else light and nimble..
Austin Becker the escort is light and nimble lol. Way better than an overdone miata
Rookie question: why does modding make the car unreliable? Is it cheaper aftermarket parts, or too powerful, or it just wasn't done correctly?
Time for a LE3512 swap!
0:13 West Virginiaaaa
Come to west coast tracks!
Even with an instructor onboard he spins? Time to take a step back and drive a stock Miata? Third spin might be the end of the EVO, or worse?
Matthew Schiebout miatas are so lame and boring. This is unique and interesting, and is quite a beautiful car. Just because it’s not your typical miata doesn’t mean it’s qualified for the track.
+ford expedition he's saying that about Ben in the evo. Matthew is saying he is spinning because he is pushing too hard and therefore needs to learn more car control using a stock Miata because it is great for learning basics and refining your skills
I want to see the Legacy Wagon. Please.