LGR Oddware - IBM Model M13 Trackpoint Keyboard
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2016
- The IBM Model M keyboard is legendary. If only it came in black with a built-in mouse...
Well what do you know, it did! The M13 clicky keyboard manufactured by Lexmark.
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"Welcome to Mario teach-as typing!"
"Shut your face-a!"
ok that was good.
'Stop-a-looking down-a-at-your-keyboard-a-ya dumbass!" -Mario teaches Typing
i laughed to that too :D a shutta yoor face
The transition btw beige and black boards at 1:42 is amazingly well done!!!!!
Oddware / tech tales request: dedicated physics cards. They seemed like they were about to be the next big thing about ten years ago.
+SuperHns Yeah - nowadays you can repurpose secondary/tertiary GPUs for PhysX and the like. But it does make me wonder why that wasn't the original plan from the get go. Was there something inherently better about a dedicated card, versus a multi-function graphics card?
Well cards just became fast enough not to need one, using a dedicated gpu for physx is actually slower on modern cards as well
I can hear my High School "Keyboarding" instructor yelling, "Stop looking down!" every time you look down. Oh, memories...
I completely drove my teach nuts. I just couldn't do it, and I still struggle with it, despite typing constantly.
+dandanthetaximan You're not old. I learned to type on a Royal manual typewriter which weighed about 50 pounds. We really had to pound those keys to get the letters to print on the paper. not to mention the manual return lever which you really had to shove in order to move the carriage back with every new line.
Like the one Beck has, and is seen in the video for 'Black Tambourine'? :)
Pretty much my experience of how I learned, how to type on QWERTY. Mechanical, and pretty off-brand, typewriter, I never had electric one myself, i used it in school but it was just expensive and my parents never saw point of it, really. Than I got my first computer and typewriter was shoved into cellar.
They have us a piece of fabric to cover our hands on the keyboard
Just love the clicky sound, nearly can't hear you anymore... Imagine an entire office with those :p
+kilrahvp Still not as loud as a typewriter. Imagine a whole office full of _those_.
Also, the air thick with cigarette smoke. Lots of papers everywhere, filing cabinets and rubber stamps.
I used a model M on my PC in college. My room mate hated me :)
Cherry MX Blue, for real, it is pretty much equally as loud
no they arent trust me the model m is a lot louder than mx blue boards in real life
thatd make me nut
"That's why I wanted to do it, 'cause it's absurd".
Most of this channel in a nutshell :)
These are quite possibly the most awesome keyboards ever made, thanks to the black case and Trackpoint. And they're an absolute *joy* to type on. (I've never noticed hitting the Trackpoint.) Pity that the Trackpoint buttons aren't nearly so nice. If used enough, they'll get really mushy and not register precisely without a hammer being involved somewhere.
Unicomp might well be willing to make a custom keyboard to your specification. They offer all blank black keys and if you asked, they might put letters on those.
The two black M13s I've got were made by Maxi Switch and they're on an equal footing with the Lexmark examples, of which I have a white M13 with a *serial* Trackpoint!
$75 was an amazing deal for one of these; usually they're three or four times that price, especially for industrial grey (which I'd really like to have in my collection!)...
a wild uxwbill appeared!
Unicomp calls the M13 the "EnduraPro" and still offers it. Else ware on there website you can custom order key colors and black is in the options. So you should be able to order a modern "M13" complete with USB interface and windows keys.
Unicomp does not print on their black keys period unfortunately. It would have to be all blanks.
@@Hbomb117 Sorry I'm late but Unicomp does sell black keycaps but only unprinted.
www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/KEY
I wish there was a model with middle mouse button.
I love watching the videos about the old computer systems. brings me back to my early childhood messing around and playing games on a Tandy 1000. The oddware series is by far my favorite however. I hope you find more strange pieces of old tech to talk about in the future!
Holy cow, I never would have thought I'd see this turn up on your Oddware series, so excited! This is my dream keyboard but damn they are expensive!
With a bit of practice, it *IS* technically possible to learn to game with a trackpoint. Back in school all I had was my school-issue Thinkpad laptop, so I had to learn to play games like Stalker:SoC and Mount&Blade using a trackpoint (including the mounted archery, which I was surprisingly good at given what I was working with).
If it works it works! I personally like how for MMOs, both hands are right below the number row so you can easily hit that "ability 9 or =" key(s). Can't exactly say mice can do that! Its basically a joystick all things considered. Same rules apply. Put in some good work into it, and it produces results.
@@Spearra That's why MMO mice have so many buttons. You don't need the number keys at all when using one.
The nice thing about the trackpoint keyboard, is that you another mouse at the same time. I have my M13 with the trackpoint working, and a MS intellipoint trackball with usb interface, working at the same time. It's been working fine in tandem for over two decades with zero problems, with win xp, 2000, 7 8, 8.1, and 10, as well as linux.
I used to play Warcraft 3 with a trackpoint.
I used to have a mate that plays Osu! with a trackpoint
One of my favorite implementations of this was on a laptop I could check out from a library I frequented years back. It had the trackpoint thing and a trackpad... I would have my hand spread out over both, which made it super comfortable to use.
I remember back in the early 90's I had a computer with this metal IBM keyboard. The thing was heavy. The keys were even metal and they were spring loaded and clicky and I loved the hell out of it. The problem was that I kept it in the living room and my roommate at the time hated it because when I would use the computer all he would hear was the damn thing clicking. So one day, I came home from work and I found this plastic monstrosity with soft keys that made no sound on my desk. I was like "WHERE THE HELL IS MY KEYBOARD!?!" and he was like, "I threw out that crap keyboard and got you this nice one! It makes no sound when you type! Listen!" And he proceeded to type and the cheap, crap thing indeed made no sound! I was furious! I went out to the dumpster but the garbage man had already taken my keyboard away! My roommate actually thought he was doing me a favor because he bought the most expensive keyboard at the store with all the bells and whistles! But I wanted my 5 pound metal clicky IBM keyboard!!!!
+BlackburnBigdragon I enjoyed this story. However, I am sorry for your loss.
Yeah... well it was about 20+ years ago so I'm over it by now. Haha! I just remember the shock and horror. "YOU GOT RID OF MY AWESOME METAL KEYBOARD FOR THAT PIECE OF CRAP!?!" He really thought he was doing me a favor by getting rid of the old keyboard. He had gone out and bought this expensive plastic monstrosity that made no sound when you typed and had every bell and whistle a keyboard could have. But it wasn't at ALL the brick that the IBM keyboard was. He just hated the "CLICKCLICKCLICKCLICK!!!" and assumed that that = crap keyboard and silent keyboard with bells and whistles = better keyboard.
The woes of living with the computer illiterate.
BlackburnBigdragon Indeed. I've found myself explaining the difference between RJ11 phone jacks and Ethernet ports, multiple times.
+BlackburnBigdragon Sounds exactly right. They started marketing rubber dome keyboards in the '90s by bragging about how "quiet" they were, but they were just a complete cost-cutting measure.
That expensive keyboard he bought died in a few years. I'm willing to bet that the metal keyboard with the metal keys that were spring loaded would still be functional today 20+ years later.
I can't take my eyes off that Freedom Planet IndieBox
And also Retro City Rampage and Rogue Legacy.
***** I think it's a really good game. It's up there with Sonic 3 & Knuckles & Megaman X4 as one of my all time favourites.
The keyboards I had in my secondary school in Northern Ireland were similar. Nobody ever used the trackpoint but I remember playing with it and it was common for people to pry the little rubber point off as they kept going missing. I remember it being incredibly sensitive and hard to use.
dammit, i specifically wanted to watch lgr so that i dont need to see that creepy face, that you have as profile picture...
Lgr you are a awesome person keep up the good work and also I've learned a lot about older technology and newer technology from you and other CZcamsrs you've kind of been my teacher for technology which is good for many reasons
That transaition at 1:39 - very nice.
As a huge Thinkpad user (previously IT, currently engineer) this keyboard interests me IMMENSELY. Time to set aside a couple hundred bucks and scan ebay daily.
+Propane TreeFiddy I have a few freinds that have ThinkPad. I like the TrackPoint ^^"
+Propane TreeFiddy They're making a new similar version with 3 mouse buttons and cherry MX blue switches. For the meanwhile the Thinkpad USB keyboard does it for me. I love the trackpoint, I don't even use the mouse most of the time and my touchpad is disabled.
Unicomp still manufactures them today. And they are quite a bit cheaper.
"That's why I wanted to do it. Because it's absurd!" YAY!
I love this channel.
Oh man this brings back memories! Back in the early '90s all the computers at my my school had the model M white keyboards. I remember the computer labs always being so loud when 30 kids were playing "Touch Typing" ha ha! Great vid man!
As a fellow IndieBox lover, I love seeing other people's collections of their boxes!
Also really loved the video! My grandfather actually used to work a contracting job with IBM and Dell back in the day, and he'd see these come into his store all the time. Super reliable, plus the regular Model M was my first keyboard when he had me build my first PC!
Lots of good nostalgia all around with this one.
I bought one of these years ago and love it! It's extremely convenient if you don't have your vintage PC set up at a proper desk.
Mine served at a server KVM in it's previous life.
Oh damn. THAT Area 51 game.
I saw it in this hotel lobby we stayed on a family vacation when I was like... 9 or 10 I think. I was playing with gameboy color at the time. I had just gotten it and it was just great fun.
But that area 51, it stuck with me. Aside Metal Slug seeing that Area 51 gameplay was just weird. The idea of people getting turned into aliens was quite scary one for younger me. The scene where hero fails is slight nightmare fuel, not that I had any.
Seeing it again so randomly after these years - and there is a windows version - I could play this now...
Thanks for the great video as always LGR.
Every time I think of Oddworld when I see a video of this series in my sub feed. Now you have a massive Abe's Exoddus box in the background now as well. Glorious.
A couple years after this video came out and I gotta say, that transition from beige to black was too dang nice.
I remember going to the cebit convention in hannover germany in the 90's when those Trackpoint nubs where the next "hottest thing"for laptops. And I tried them on a few demo laptops they show cased there. I found that they worked quite well actually. I found them rather easy to use. I still don't understand why they where replaced with those awkward badly and inaccurately responding touchpads that you find on all laptops now adays.
Robert Phoenix not to mention , touchpads takes up a lot of space ;) .
Indeed
I believe that IBM had a patent on the trackpoint device when these keyboards and the thinkpads that had trackpoints were made.
Because if one device fills the need of two you sell less product. Thats why any non ibm trackpoint is garbage while Lenovo's usb trackpoint keyboards serve better as mice than keyboards.
Just so you know, the only buckling spring keyboards manufactured by IBM that DO NOT have membranes under the switches are the Model F. Model M keyboards all use membranes, so you can't call them "mechanical" though in practice they are. The model f uses capacitive switches, and are true mechanical buckling spring switches.
I was looking for this comment. A lot of people think the terms rubber dome and membrane are synonymous when they are mutually exclusive (RealForce/Topre has rubber domes but no membrane. Model M has a membrane but no rubber domes).
I do enjoy your video's all the old stuff, I think maybe because I remember most of it and it reminds me that when you say you wanted it as a kid I was working and had to buy that stuff myself
This thing looks amazing. I've always loved track points. Not great for gaming but I always found them a lot more accurate and comfortable for general use than trackpads personally
Is that Fallout Beer I spy?
Yep
+Lazy Game Reviews where did you get that hotline Miami limiter edition from big fan here
+Lazy Game Reviews PLEASE don't ever use that music again...it's horrible...sounds like crap and can only hurt your channel...seriously, I love your videos but every time I hear that garbage tune I have to stop the video...and I can't exactly mute it because I want to hear what you're saying...
+ZOMBIE BRAINEATER he should use stuff from the Floppy Kick label lol
Made in USA? It' so weird not seeing Made in China for once.
Really? I see it even today.
Lot of my stuff is made in Korea, Germany, I got some stuff made in USSR, U.K. a lot of my furniture is made in Norway
Isn't it good? Norwegian wood.
I'm a bit more used to "Made in Malaysia" or "Made in Thailand" more recently.
SMGJohn Where do you live?
If it makes you feel any better, all the components were probably made in China; it was just assembled in America. : P
I found one of these in a scrap heap at work and I'm using it right now! Love this thing. The keys are quite a bit heavier than the MX Blues in my Logitech G710.
it really does, it has such nice texture.
Kinda nifty, but would drive me nuts.
agree the track ball would drive me batty.
we always had a VERY un-PC name for the notebooks with that mouse-thingie on the keyboards back in the days :)
Relevant XKCD
xkcd.com/243/
Big fan of the trackpoint mouses, had a Thinkpad all through college. I have to say that is a beautiful keyboard
glad to see you doing a video on this! didn't expect it to be oddware, though :)
wao, set the counter for 500k Subs! well deserved!
Thanks!
Lazy Game Reviews did you know in uk ibm is known as Lenovo
Lenovo acquired IBM's personal computer business in 2005
But used the IBM badging until 2006/2007, i think.
Yeah and the Thinkpads went to crap the moment they did
Ugh that clicky keyboard sound really gets me going.
God I loved this Keyboard back in the day. This video is like seeing an old flame at a reunion or something.
I used that ps2 back port, along with an adapter, for an ancient Wacom graphics tablet.
I could never get one of those keyboards again. I had one Model M with my PC-XT a long time ago. Now, all that I could find is a mechanical keyboard with brown switches. I am satisfied with that, but the nostalgia still makes me want one of those. Thanks for the video, very cool! :)
you heard it here first folks, look for clint on a cam site soon tm, doing ungodly things to his model m 13 keyboard... lol
yikes
3:18 oohhh that focus ;)
I Love that sound of the keys clicking!
that's such a beautiful m13. my yard sale one has a crackly cable that's almost completely out of the rubber sheath. and the white is kinda yellow. I use it everyday and I love it. its also a maxi switch and it's pretty good quality (I think)
I wonder when the next LGR Thrifts episode is gonna come out
Just sittin in the shower when suddenly, I wonder when LGR Thrifts 25 is gonna come out
+Lazy Game Reviews off topic where did you get the box version of Freedom Planet?
store.theindiebox.com/collections/frontpage/products/freedom-planet
Lazy Game Reviews nice.
Your voice and the keyboard clicking is really my type of asmr
you got a bargain! a black m13, the holy grail of Model M's! owner of 2 standard uk layouts (1 lexmark, & one 1986 IBM made 5 miles away from where i used to live as a child, made in Greenock, Scotland)
That's why there's that little indent in my Unicomp Spacesaver! They use the same mold for the trackpoint version and the standard version.
The trackpoint is way better than a trackpad
@@melvinharris7859 61:1 at the moment of writing. Comparing it to trackpads that were around when the trackpoint was conceived,? Yes, it blew everything around it out of the water. It still does on the middle to lower end. Of course it's not comparable with the comfort a large glass multitouch trackpad offers you nowadays.
Shut the fuck up Boomer
Love you're stuff man keep it up!
Thanks for this video! I've been thinking about getting an old mechanical keyboard but had no idea what to look for, and this got me looking into the IBM Model M in general. Just got a regular one for $50. Would love the awesome black one but man that price... no.
its so beautiful.....if only it was a japanese keyboard i would switch over to it without question.
Its you!
Miles Kosik
so it is!
What is the song used in the intro?
I thought you had super tall bookshelves until I realized you stack games ontop of the shelving units. I'm not surprised you're running out of room. That's a GOOD problem to have!
I was very surprised to see this in an LGR Oddware video. My old school had nothing but these keyboards and they bugged the hell out of me! There were probably around 40 keyboards in the library alone so they didn't seem like they were rare or anything.
Oh man, a full black unicomp model M is like $110 new, they know how nice it looks and you really pay for it. I settled on the DAS keyboard ultimate (totally blank and black) Better fit for me as it's not as noisy.
Oh man, oh god, oh man
reddit.com/r/Ooer
The Unicomp Model M's are so cheaply made, and ridiculous in price. It's just better to look for a decently restored IBM one online.
I bought it in 2011 and i'm still using it so it's already paid for itself.
YouSucc yes but it won't feel as nice to type on
Hey a Freedom Planet box! GalaxyTrail made a physical release for FP?
Indie Box did!
www.theindiebox.com/freedomplanet/
+Lazy Game Reviews Awesome! Thanks for replying!
i saw a strange box with some purple haired thing and found it familiar.
so i turned up the quality and WHOA, it's that game with the sonic-like running animals with voices and stuff!
i should try it someday, without the cutscenes, of course.
+Dlendedasian DO IT
Blendedasian they are also making a second game as well.
:| ! You got Freedom Planet's indie box too? That was a hell of a surprise hit of a game for me. Cramming a ton of inspirations together to make a big mega-platformer that Treasure would be proud of.
The keyboard you had showed in the start was my first keyboard with this old IBM PC we had, no idea what one specifically but I think you've shown that too. You're always a explosion of weird nostalgia LGR.
I swear I think I had this with my old ibm for a while. surprised to see it so valuable
These never came with any system, they were only sold separately. Unless you specifically bought it, you had a different keyboard with your system.
I love you Mr LGR. And yes, I am drunk. But I still love you. :D
Cheers!
I relate so much to this comment. In case you read this again while drunk, we love you too.
This made my day
Woah! Where did you get that Hotline Miami box?
www.gamersedition.com/product/hotline-miami
Aw man. Hope in goes on sale again soon.
Thanks LGR.
+ectofrost where is it? lol been looking though the video to see a glimpse of it
(S-F)Mr. Frog Any time LGR is on screen its in the background with a 50 blessings symbol on the case.
Likely through _Retro Box_.
I am nearly certain we were using this exact keyboard when I was overseas with the military as recently as 2011. The big thing that I can recall was the almost orange peel texture, recessed keys, trackpoint, and mouse keys. We had boxes full of keyboards from 1980s-2000s (ps2 usb etc) so when one sh*t the bed, then we would just grab one out of the boxes because the nearest Best Buy was a little ways away....
OMG! Mario Teaches Typing! We got that in middle school IT class! It’s awesome to see it again.
5:12 Is that a boxed copy of Freedom Planet???
You keep taunting me with that big box of Hotline Miami 2...
GOTTA GET A GRIP
Todd Howard f
I'm glad you finally got it.
The color and texture of that keyboard is just really nice. Also, that conversion of Area 51 looks pretty good, too.
I've been looking at thinkpads just so I could have the mouse pointer, really not a fan of trackpads.
I want this.
You can have one. They are still made. It's called the EnduraPro by Unicomp.
I've used an EnduraPro for years and years.
Then I am certainly going to get one :]
I'm super impressed by your multitasking skills: Talking while typing and reading.
Greetings from Mexico LGR, love your videos. Keep the good work!:)
I'd watch you do a typing session alllll night long. Call it my ASMR.....
In my opinion any keyboard with a 'clit' to control the mouse is oddware.
+Engel I just died x'DDD
I remember getting a Lenovo Thinkpad laptop (can't remember the specific model) from a place I worked at. The red trackpoint was perfect for pixel art! You could easily make stuff super straight super fast! I had to return the computer when I stopped working there but man. This keyboard would be ideal for my current needs. Damn you Clint, you win again!
You're welcome :P
I love these keyboard. I have a smaller one of these (it’s the size of a thinkpad keyboard). I got it years and years ago at a flea market. I use it constantly for quick projects(like my RaspberryPi) with a dual-ps2 to USB adapter.
Soo apparently freedom planet has a big box release?
store.theindiebox.com/collections/frontpage/products/freedom-planet
Wow, I guess big box is back and I didn't notice. Neat! By the way I learned how to type on an M13 lol and I'm like a master of using those track point, I used to do competitive CS 1.6 with one, I did well too.
+TheSpiralAim insane person.
+TheSpiralAim That is the Indiebox release. I suggest looking at their site if you are interested in boxed indie games.
I would agree lol.
Didn't play Duke Nukem 3d? :O!!!
+invghost I totally expected that. I think Duke 3D should be a standard benchmark used in all Oddware reviews.
love the oddworld box in the background
That's it, i'm getting this keyboard..
Been drooling over it on ebay the past week now.
I really don't understand why mouse and touchpad became the most popular pointing devices. Trackpoints and trackballs are way better. The only situation when a mouse is superior is playing a first-person shooter, and touchpads just suck.
I don't get why US keyboards have that single block return key, having a big 'L' shaped button is so...much...better
Ikr!
We do have L-shaped return keys on some keyboards. Admittedly, however, I've not seen them since I was a kid in perhaps the late 90s or early 2000s. I think our old Gateway had that kind of keyboard. But I don't remember. Anyway L-shaped enter keys have existed even if they're likely quite rare now over here. To
+Jade Scribbler the L shape is a UK standard. Virtually every keyboard has one here
+JonnyInfinite Wow, that's interesting. I guess they might have been more common when I was a kid but I've not seen one in years. It's interesting how a keyboard standard can differ even in two English speaking countries.
+Jade Scribbler en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards
You got a great deal for $75. I worked in a computer store when these were new - they retailed for $249! I wanted one back then but couldn't justify the price. Nowadays you're lucky to find one at all on Ebay, let alone for $75. They're pretty rare. I'd love to have one - I've long been a ThinkPad guy so I'm used to the Trackpoint. And they are beautiful, and fit right in with a modern system. And they feel great! (I do have a white Model M.) btw, Lexmark *is* IBM. They were just spun off in the 90's. But same people, same factory. Never let anyone tell you a Lexmark Model M isn't a "real" IBM Model M!
Unicomp makes this keyboard today, called the EnduraPro. I'm using one right now.
Your "glorious typing session" at the end brought back flashbacks from revenge of the sunfish.
pad printed legends, shit :l
why not just clean the legends off straight out of the box?
UpahUpah
what
if i were to buy this i would chemically remove the pad printed legends and just use it is a blank board
I love the music from Mario games, nostalgic AF. hits me right in the nostalgia organ (the spleen)
Lol @ 5:49 : 'Mario': "Welcome to "Mario Teaches Typing!" Clint: "Shut your face!"
I totally adore the oddware series!
Most old lenovo laptops (x200 for example) also have that trackpoint + physical lmb,rmb and scroll button...pretty nice to use actually
When UNICOMP built these, I bought one because I had found that the Track point was great for occasional mouse without taking hands off keyboard. When I drove 18wheelers I found it fit perfectly on the steering wheel! I could steal with the heal of my hands while typing or trackpointing. (This before most people had cell phones, so it wasn't illegal yet). A mouse was better when accuracy was required. The biggest problem with the Unicomp trackpoint was the mouse buttons which were not as firm as real mouse buttons. The trackpoint eventually became less responsive and I stopped using it, although the buckling spring keyboard kept working on my desk until I killed it with coffee. The Trackpoint is best for data entry where you don't need fine accuracy and speeds up your work because you don't have to move your hand off the keyboard and back. Today I put it I a group with the foot trackball and the head mouse. The foot trackball was a giant track ball you put on the floor and moved with your foot. The head mouse attached to your head and moved the pointer by your turning your head.
You just made my Monday!
My laptop which was made in 2011 which came with Windows 7 Pro and is now currently running Windows 10 pro, which I am currently using to type this comment and watch your awesome videos has a trackball and comes with 2 sets of left and right click buttons. One for the trackpad and the other for the track ball. Not annoying at all and I use it sometimes for scrolling since it also has a middle button for scrolling. It's a preety kewl Laptop!
Oh I've been wanting one of those for my 3dfx rig for ages.
This was ahead of its time!!
I just pulled a very similar model (KPD8923) from my stash after discovering that I can remap the keys for use on a Mac. I forgot that it had a PS/2 port in back. It came from a piece of mainframe equipment that was on a KVM so the keyboard was just gathering dust in a closet. I used this keyboard at work for 10+ years on a windows machine and loved it-the keyboard, not windows. Can't say I have the same problem with hitting the nub in the middle while typing. I still need a trackpad for pinches and swipes but it works well.
Dang, that game. Area 51. I had some fun playing it on the rare occasions I went to the arcade years ago. Would be cool to have that cabinet and lightgun setup.
I have used these many times. They were quite popular with IBM Intel and PowerPC based servers, rackmount KVM systems, and server room crash carts where high precision mice were not needed. They still can be found in use for these systems as well due to their durability and reliability. I don't think they were ever shipped as an option with desktops and workstations.
Thanks for the excellent review, I liked it very much.
You're very welcome!
I had an IBM notebook with that track point nub. I loved it! Seems ridiculous today.
I am so jelly of you and your all black M13. I say this as a man who bought and assembled his own TEX Yoda. Trackpoint 4 Lyfe dawg (when it comes to work that is).