The Biggest Vinyl Record Myths: BUSTED!
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- These are the biggest vinyl records myths that people like to spread, and can confuse newbies to the hobby -- and even occasionally people who have been spinning for a long time. I'm here to break them down, and give you the truth about them!
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Myth: Colored vinyl tastes better than black vinyl.
This is false; they both taste exactly the same.
This is vital.
I heard Van Halen picked out all the brown vinyl from their collections.
You just spared me the struggle to try, thank you!
hogwash, green vinyl is the best
Too Many Records the guy from Vinyl Safari shared this myth, people really,respect him, so I was upset he believes it. He also said clear was the worst....but clear is a lack of color, black is dyed! It’s naturally clear. so by that logic, wouldn’t black sound bad too. Couldn’t believe they even put in the documentary, one that I loved besides that.
He also says records are fine stacked on top of each other..which he looks at 100k+ records a year in all conditions...so I guess he’d know? Idk
Not a myth but too any new starters, if you see a record you want, just take it. You will most likely regret waiting on it and never being able to find it again
I would add a caveat to this, depending on the record in question. If a collector just wants any old copy of, say, the white album, or something else that can be found at any record store on earth in the $20-40 range, they shouldn't overpay for the first one they see. If it's one of those records that you've been shopping for for a year and it's $25 then sure, go for it, but a bit of patience can be a good thing if you want to avoid spending $50 on every record you want, which can turn you off the hobby if it starts hitting your finances. I only say this because I have made this mistake myself, or more specifically I bought an overpriced stereo version of records that I have since realized are better in mono (mid-60s stuff), etc. just because I was so excited to see it at all.
Should actually pay for it.
@@jon4139 Mono analog is almost always better
Steal records. Got it!
Don't know if I agree with this. It really depends on how "rare" the record is. I've spent hundreds (yes hundreds, with an S) on a single record because it was so "rare" that I just knew no record company would be repressing it. Then 2 years later I'm shopping and see the "rare" record that I spent $350 on with 3 new copies at a record store for $30. I honestly don't think there are any hard rules when it comes to record buying except that you're probably going to find the record for cheaper elsewhere at some point.
You missed the biggest myth of all. "Eh, I've been looking for this record for years....I'll think about it tonight and maybe come back and grab it tomorrow...It will still be here"!!!!!!!
I’ve been burned...
@@TooManyRecords gotta pin that one!
it will if you stash it in a totally unreleated music section. Used to do this in record/cd and book stores. It was there maybe 80% of the time. I guess depends on how diligent they are on keeping order in the store.
@@josephshelton4599 so it's you ! ! !
@@djC653 Yeah, I work at two record stores now and I tend to find that quite a bit. ...and sorry to say I love being the spoiler and putting stuff back where it goes or on the wall lol.
I wonder if anyone has ever really put an ortifon red on a crosley 🤣 that sounds like a great idea for your next video 😝
How To Waste Money By Too Many Records
Can you even do that?
Is it posible?
Nothing a bit of superglue can’t do...
I have a clearaudio cart on my Vitrola
I started buying records 5 years ago and for a casual listener like me, it was all good until I found your channel. There's tons of good information and after 5 years of using a Crosley to play my records, I recently bought an Audio Technica: AT-LP120XUSB. Some might read this comment and think "Oh, you should have bought this or that" but for me who lives in Brazil this hobby is really expensive and the 120X feels like a premium turntable. The counter-weight helped a ton with the records that used to skip on my old portable Crosley. When I installed Edifier speakers the quality went from 8 to 8000. Thank you for all the info! =D
The LP120 is a great starting table. You made a solid choice my friend.
Edifier speakers are pretty decent cost-effective options. Enjoy!
I have the same, its a great turntable.
Where did you buy the audio technica turntable and how much did it set you back? I haven't seen it available for $250 since the pandemic hit.
@@cynical8330 If you think $250 it's expensive you will freak out now. I paid close to U$600 for this turntable at Amazon Brazil (because I live in Brazil). :)
I've been collecting records for close to 30 years, and I think I've only ever had one record that was unplayable due to warping. It's just not nearly as big a deal as people make it seem.
Its just annoying
I received a record a few months ago that was so warped that it bumped the tonearm every rotation and would jump through the whole side in about 10 seconds. The band were really helpful and sent another one which was perfect. Seems like it might become more of an issue these days with more and more records being shipped in the mail.
Depends on where you are in my experience, any hotter climate (Israel, for instance) buying used vinyl is a crap shoot, especially because many warm places didn't get mass air conditioning until the 80s or 90s, so anything older has been layiing around on hot summer nights. This happened to all my dad's old records that were in the attic storage of a garage in the US south.
Right on, Frank; I agree. I bit of warping is not a big deal that's going to destroy the sound of the music.
I have been collecting records for over 50 years, some of them are from 1948 when Columbia introduced 33 1/3. I have never had a warped record that was unable to play.
The big deal with “non-black” vinyl, is that it’s harder to see scratches on them. So when buying USED non-black vinyl, you’re more likely to get a damaged pressing since you can’t see the scratches easy easily. I think that’s what led to that myth.
That could be a contributing factor but I wish people would elaborate on that when slandering colored vinyl.
You nailed it!
true, but almost all my colored vinyl is new
Some coloured vinyl you can see scratches and dust, trust me white LPs you can see anything on that disc 😂
I don't think that's the origin of it. I think it's more about one-off novelty pressings, kind of like picture discs, where the color is to get the album to sell. For example from a few years ago, a bunch of record store day releases were hastily pressed, and a bunch of them have quality control issues. It's not because they are color per se, but because less care was put into them since they were novelty items. I think that's where the reputation came from. Two of my favorite pressings of all time are on colored transluscent vinyl, and they are highly regarded (ORG Nevermind reissue, and Garbage 20th anniversary double 45rpm). That said, I have had terrible luck with vinyl that has metallic lustre or some kind of strange additive added. Anecdotal with a small sample to be sure, but they sounded bad in the same way (crackle and surface noise), from different labels and different years. I suspect there is a physical / chemical challenge to get that type of material to yield a smooth surface when it has embedded inhomogeneities.
Anyway, I will not slander all colored vinyl, some of it is amazing. I think white vinyl looks especially amazing. I appreciate that non-black vinyl seems to attract less dust, too. However, I think we should be honest about the reasons why this "myth" arose, due to poor quality control and, in some instances, actual chemistry.
The carbon added to vinyl to make it black strengthens the PVC mix and actually does have an effect on sound quality. They all start out clear, and clear records tend to sound the worst. Modern manufacturing has led to mostly minuscule differences in colored vinyl VS black but you are incorrect in your assertion that they are one in the same.
if you have a turntable that plays 78 RPM, use that for your warped records - they will sound better at warp speed ;)
If my record is repeating the same grove line i spin it at 78 or 45 if playing a 33 album and 78 if playing a 45 to kind of make the stylus move to the next line
Excellent video Matt! The myth about 180 gram vinyl is especially important to mention. Take care.
I agree, Melinda! Sometimes it can be great, but it's never the reason why!
I got "Revolver" 180 gram for my birthday. I've got to say that something is missing. Stay safe.
Excellent video, Matt. There are a bunch of new Facebook groups appearing that are FULL of newbies asking the same questions over and over again. This video addresses most of those and sets the "record" straight. Well done!
Thicker vinyl takes longer to cure so when a pressing plant doesn't let them cure long enough they can still warp in storage.
That makes perfect sense to me.
Purchased Physical Graffiti 40th on 180g (reissue’s only weight) unopened. Side 3 is unlistenable due to snaps/crackle straight from lead in to out. Surface looks flawless. Manufactured by Warner in California but printed in the EU? Please let Plant and Page know. Overall I steer clear of 180g if there’s a choice.
Most of the warping is due to shipping during the summer months , a box truck or any type of shipping container can get excessively hot during the summer months .
@@onearmleroy2696 Heavy pops are an obvious manufacturing quality control issue that's fairly easy to see if the pressing company actually checks for quality issues. They look like little bumps , I'd complain and demand a new record or refund . I always keep my receipts .
Fabulous video, Matt. I think you hit the nail on the head here. So many misconceptions and I hear the colored one the most.
I have to wonder if this new generation of vinyl collectors would have be able to survive back in the 60's and 70's. The concerns we had were, make sure that it was in Stereo, pay not more the $5.00 and pray that when got home and opened it that it was not warped. Not all retailers would let you do a return. Oh yeah, I've had to make my tone arm heavier for skips just so I record it on my reel to reel. Then I wouldn't have to play the album.
Warped records are easily solved using a clamp , I buy a lot of new records and find most are slightly warped, but the clamp solves this issue, not to mention that new pressings seem to be missing the quality control at plants, the amount I have had to return because of distortion or it is full of crackle and pops , even after cleaning ....back in the 70s/80s pressing were far superior in my humble opinion
I think the myth of colored vinyl might come from that dust and dirt sometimes is harder to see on ”colored” vinyl than it is on black.
honestly tho? i never knew “colored vinyl sounds bad” was even talked about as a popular viewpoint until now. my personal experience with colored vinyl has always been poor, probably bc of the quality of the press, and they tend to be a selling point and “aesthetic”.
i’ve personally never had a colored vinyl that has been indistinguishable from normal black wax as far as sound goes.
although i only own like 4-5 colored vinyls, they all have inferior sound to them. like the bitcrushed or distorted. wish i could find higher quality colored presses.
Vinyl is naturally clear with a yellowish tint . Black is technically colored vinyl so any color you buy doesn't effect anything . I worked in Plastic manufacturing about 25 years ago lol.
LOL ! I remember taping a coin to my tonearm in the 70's when I was a kid. I t was a quick cheap fix until I saved for a good turntable. Ahhhhh memories. You're right about the 180 gram too. I have lots of them that are great and some that sound like they're years old. It's not the weight, it's the quality of the mixing and pressing..
Nothing to add, just leaving a comment to thank you for the awesome content as always my friend
well i find old equipment far more reliable than the latest one.I got a pioneer preciver which sounds just the bees knees and despite beeing nearkly 50 years old never needed any repair
Back in the 70s putting a penny or a half penny on the head of the needle was common, I used to do it when I was a young kid , when you are that age you don't know about quality equipment
One possible cause of minor warps on current releases is the packaging, specifically gatefolds. I just received "The Saint of Lost Causes" by Justin Townes Earle from New West Records. Looking at it from the top, there is a 1/8-inch gap between the panels at the spine, while there is no gap at the other end. You can actually see how the panels are close together up to about 2 inches from the spine, where they start to slightly curve apart. With time, the record could warp to that same curve. The solution is to store the record in between the gatefolds, or to place a piece of cardboard in between the gatefolds to keep them from curving.
Great advice to avoid edge warps! Thank You.
Great video! Only caveat I would add to the colored vinyl vs black vinyl myth is I have found there is still one 'color' to stay away from and that's glow in the dark vinyl. Every one of those I have sounds terrible, I'd suggest staying away from GITD pressings.
Yep! I outline that in the full video I linked to.
Well shit LMAO
Nice tutorial - My recent RSD of Bloodflowers on picture disc by The Cure sounds awesome !
i have that record too! still sealed from RSD
THIS IS WHY WE LISTEN TO YOU! Dude you ROCK! Thank you! "Black Vinyl is Colored Vinyl!" I love you!
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One thing I will say about vintage gear is that it can offer a lot of creature comforts that more modern gear doesn't. I was in the market for a new table, but wanted an automatic start/stop. Its a hard thing to find on newer hardware with it being aimed at the audiophile community, but was a breeze when I started looking vintage. I found a refurbished Technics SL-235 for a great price (around $250) and have been absolutely loving it since hooking it up. All the adjustment and upgradability I could want in a big boy turntable, and all the ease of use I was looking for.
New to vinyls and new to the channel! Thanks for this!
Sorry to be this guy, but it’ll help you later: the plural of vinyl is vinyl.
@@christinec5142 thanks for being that guy lol... I am now a smarter idiot
Some really useful information here, thank you!
I have been collecting vinyl since the late 1950's. I found a very inexpensive cleaner that is magic.
Take a trip to Walmart and get a can of Sprayway, use a lint free cloth. I have cleaned thousands and
thousands of vinyl and shellac records. You can also remove gummed labels from the spindle area.
I bought vinyl from estate sales that were in attics for decades funky, moldy, and crusty. Spray this on and wipe the grime away. One more tip, if you have some musty old jackets and sleeves, take a dryer sheet and enclose one in the album or 45 and put them in a air tight plastic case for a day or two, or three. That's it, hope you all stay safe. Rock on.
Good video! New records which have edge warps is caused by the record being released from the record press too soon, before fully cooled. This is evidenced most often with multi-record sets. You know that they were all packaged together at the same time, but only one of the records may have an edge warp.
Most often, picture discs do have a poorer sound than a comparable vinyl record. The playing surfaces are still stamped into sheets of a plastic material, similar to what photographic film is made from. Remember the Eva-Tone flexidiscs? They were also made this way. This is how picture discs have always been made. What has differed over time is how the picture discs were assembled and the materials which were used. Dating back to the 1940's, there were the Vogue picture discs. These had aluminum cores. Today's PD's most often have a vinyl core.
Great tips thanks. I bought my Technics SL-QX300 Turntable new in 1985. It is Quartz Auto Direct drive with a variable pitch and can be back tracked due to the direct drive. It has always sounded great and with the TP4 cartridge design it is just plug and play with no fine tuning of the arm or cartridge at all and I bought a Audio Technica high quality new cartridge new on super sale for $10. It sounds great with my Yamaha receiver and my 1977 Pro JBL 4311 WX Control Monitor speakers I bought new in 1977 for $900 and all original in perfect condition with a 7 lb magnet on the 12" woofer. Rock and roll LPS and CDS sound awesome.
I just got my dad's old setup from the 80s. It's a Technics SL-D303 and a Mitsubishi receiver. I just had an issue with the turntable fixed and I probably have to take the receiver to get a wiring issue looked at. Yeah, those repair bills aren't fun, but I think it's worth it to keep my dad's equipment running.
Fun video. Myth: (from Debbie Harry and Chris Stein interview) Never play a record twice in one day. You need to allow a record to "recover".
Never heard that one, lol!
Sounds like something a parent would tell their kid to stop them from playing the same thing over and over
My Michell Orbe has a screw-down clamp, which sorts out any warping. One thing you don't mention is the whole not being exactly in the centre, which can lead to speed instability. You can bodge that with a small file, but getting it centred on the turntable can be tricky.
Nice video! Keep up the good work:)
Part of the reason that black vinyl often sounds better for people is that it is pressed first from the mold. Usually colored vinyl comes tandem with black or is re pressed from the master mold and over time that mold will wear down (why lower press numbers sound better). Colored vinyl only sounds bad when it’s pressed after a bunch of other records have slowly worn down the master mold. That’s why there’s so many differences between some colored records and some black records.
Totally agree with all these points. 180 gram vinyl has been one of the biggest cons ever, like you said it's the quality of the press and not the thickness that matters. I've also got picture discs that sound decent, it helps if the music is of the heavier style in most cases too.
I like the feel of a heavy record , I've personally have had very little if any issues .
I am looking 70 years old straight in the eyes. In my younger years, I didn't care much for my records. "Revolver" and "Aja" are scratched so I got new ones of 180 grams. "Aja" sounds incredible (better than the original?) "Revolver" sounds horrible, and I'll listen to my old copy. Mastering, I think, is the key. With 180 grams, it's hit or miss...
great video, made a few of these mistakes when i started with the hobby last year, but now im on the good track xD
For most cupped or warped records I use a turntable clamp that works great at pressing the record flat against the platter.
Definitely works for some but it depends on the kind of warp. Doesn’t do much for lip warps.
@@TooManyRecords Right, but there are ring clamps, too. I would also be careful about putting weights on a bearing not designed to handle it, but spindle clamps can be useful.
Great video Matt. I am sure you know but others may not that MOFi actually made a pink vinyl version of Beck's Sea Changes which everyone raves about. I do wonder if the audiophile companies almost exclusively use black vinyl because of the colored vinyl myth though. Vintage gear has come way up in price...i love vintage receivers and will never go new...i have listened and anything comprable to my sansui 5000x is at least $2,000. I do however want to do a modern table upgrade...either fluance or clear audio...music hall makes some grest turntables too. You are spot on about vintage gear requiring vintage repairs though.
The audiophile companies know that a well mastered record can be any color, however, I believe they do mostly black to appeal to purists/people that believe the myth.
I think the #1 myth I see/hear repeated is just that most people assume all vintage vinyl is valuable, or that their grandpa's collection of Elton John and Neil Diamond is something like an investment. Like, if it's old it must be worth something, right? Of course back when it was the main medium of music distribution millions of copies were made, making a run of the mill used copy of most most popular music worth under $5 or $10. Sure, you can still get $30 for a Beatles record in good knick, and there are a few albums here and there with value for specific reasons (Ludwig pressing of LZII for instance) but that's the exception, not the rule.
Adding a coin...make me think of adding a coin to the side of a Flexi-Disk to keep the needle to track properly.
Reader's digest flexi discs, oh the memories.🎧
I have Demon Days by Gorillaz and they're picture disks and it sounds great
I’m totally with you on the warped 180G records. I think I have one nasty standard weight warped record, an OG Purple Rain but it plays fine. All the other warped records I have are all 180G. So annoying.
Love the TMR background music
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I got my turntable, a pioneer from 1973 for free from a coworker. Only had to spend $50 for a new needle. It sounds amazing.
I read somewhere that only real difference between black vinyl and colored vinyl is that black vinyl has carbon black in it, which acts as a lubricant for the stylus.
As far as warped records go, I have a Dual CS 5000, which has a dial on the head shell. For a warped record, I can adjust the cartridge up, so it doesn’t scrape the record or bounce off.
I've always try to stay away from picture discs, but there are those rare occasions that the record is only available on picture disc. Case in point, my Godsmack - Godsmack album I got back in 2007. As far as sound quality goes it's not audiophile as you said, but it sounds damn good.
Man, that's been on my want list for a long ass time.
most picture disks are assumed to not be primarily used to play music, so are only manufactured to meet that standard.
I tried to modify my comment to say, "In the past" but couldn't manage to edit the comment.
I like listening to this really worn 45 of the Jackson 5 on 33rpm and it sounds like a metal band with the pops and scratches adding ambience
Some really good advice here! I have been collecting vinyl for 20 years now but never been much of an audio geek. My 40 year old Philips stereo died late last year and I bought a new all in one stereo from Amazon after I couldn't find anywhere nearby that could repair my vintage stereo. Was so disappointed when I would play often newer heavier discs that would skip all over the place on the new turntable. Now looking to invest in an Audio-Technica AT-LP120X as I don't want to cause permanent damage to my vinyl collection.
180 gram records tend to be harder to keep clean, probably produce more static electricity or something. My older thinner ones are a lot easier to keep clean
The major reason why there is so much warped used vinyl out there is improper record storage.
The correct way to store records is vertically, in a record cabinet, in spaces of about 12" max where the records are tucked in nicely, not too loose, not too tight.
So all those 'vinylafficionado's' with their record cabinets where stacks of records are sitting 'casually' under an angle....they're doing it wrong!
I've seen that also on this channel! (for instance in the video "I made a second vinyl listening room".
And flip bins are the worst.
I've been collecting vinyl for over 40 years and you taught me stuff
That's awesome!!
@@TooManyRecords me too. I thought if they took the time to put it on 180 it would be superior. Now I know it can be a marketing decision. thanks
Great video can congrats on your new record store 👍🏽
I was wondering where you got the "Too Many Records" light you have on the shelf in the background? Are these for sale anywhere? It is very nice for ambiance. Thank you.
Loved this video,somebody with a definitive opinion who is not scared to voice it.learn something every time this is on. Usually something I'm doing wrong. Still,XLNT vid XLNT commentary.
Thank you.
Thank you Adrian!! My aim is to inform :)
The taping a coin on the tonearm was done in the 60's as well. I remember my dad doing it on our old radiogram, oh and by the way there was more than one record company that recommended doing it. I bought my first record when I was about 15 yrs which means I've been collecting for over 46yrs. In that time I've gone from using the family radiogram to buying my first modular hifi a pioneer system to adding cd and upgrading components etc. The really big changes I have seen in all that time (apart from cost) is an explosion in the ways we can hear what we want to hear. When I was a kid music came in 2 readily available formats 1. Radio and I mean AM radio and 2. Records which was the only way to hear what I wanted to hear and not rely on the radio. In the early 70's Countdown happened here in Oz and that spurred lots of us to buy records and cassettes. Nothing really changed until streaming happened because it was either radio or physical media. So after all this time my #1 piece of advice for beginners is often records may look like shite but will play perfectly adequately and do your own thing and only listen to audiophiles when you can afford to enter the world of extremes remember that your hearing declines the older you get and when a 60yr old tells you they can hear a 20khz tone they are lying.
Thanks for the information. I'm pretty new with vinyl collection. What's up with 45 RPMs vs 33s? Is it better sounding record if the pressing is 45? Thanks in advance.
45RPM sounds better, usually. Less music crammed onto one side leads to higher fidelity.
@Nicholas Exactly. Lower information density means that more information per second is able to be encoded above the noise threshold. Same idea with faster tape speeds. This is in addition to having more physical space for the grooves, as was previously mentioned.
Wow! The old coin on the needle thing. I hadn't heard about that since the 1960s.
hey i’m curious what’s your opinion on other music formats like Cds or cassettes?
Back in the ‘70s and ‘80s, I’d occasionally get a warped record. I’d end up putting it on my record shelf, sandwiched between other records, where they’d sit for a year or two. When I’d eventually pull it out again, it’d be completely flat. I realized that warps tended to sort themselves out over time if kept on a somewhat tightly packed shelf. Way cheaper than those warp-fixing devices they sell now!
That promos are the first ones off the press when in actuality they are usually last
here in South Africa i think the distance ensures that all records i get are warped at least a little! haha too much travel. sigh
good work!
real info.
i have many picture discs that play beautiful.
turntable setup is the most crucial.
big-ups for starting with those topics.
best thing about heavier gram rekkids is that you can cut a little deeper, but you are right about mastering.
i have classic, used, 'scratched' 70's Frank Zappa LPs that sound beautiful. FZ was notorious for glorious mastering. King Crimson as well.
Fact:
My parents had a penny on the needle arm.
It worked until we finally went to CD's 7 years later.
I've recently been getting into collecting and I have played my records on my lp-60x, would you recommend getting a new one now, or getting a more expensive player down the road? Thanks
I say get a new one as soon as you can afford it because that’s when you really start digging your heels into the hobby.
I have the lp 120 and lp 60, I'm pretty sure I "upgraded" the stylus on that lp60 I think (from memory) but only to a slightly higher grade AT one, one that has the same tracking force but a better quality stylus.
Thank you for doing this video, Matt. I would have loved to have seen something like this when I started collecting in 2009. I’m sure there are others that will find this to be super helpful! ❤️🎶❤️
I got my first vinyl in 2013 and I start collecting them in 2016.
I wonder if it's true that if you're collecting sealed copy of a vinyl you must cut the plastic to release pressure in order to not damage the jacket
Yo what up I was gifted with about 200 vinyls recently,and I wanna get rid of them,I've looked all up in the internet to price them and there just to many variables to find a price for a record,what do u recommend as a pricing source for a BEGINNER,so as not to get ripped off when selling them.?
I bought a technics Sl-D3 for $30 off of offer up about three weeks ago, the kid didn’t know what he had. Just added a ortofon 2m red and it sounds amazing.
I have a question ...I have a collection of albums that have been stored away in record shelves for about 10 years. they were clean when they were put there and were not touched after that. They were in their covers with inner sleeves.Can I just take them out and play them or do I need to do anything first?
They should be good to go. I'd run a carbon fibre brush (I like the Audioquest Gold on amazon, you get what you pay for, you can see it linked in my description) over each side as it spins before dropping the needle to get any surface level dust off before play.
@@TooManyRecords That was a great help to me,many thanks!
Will watch later but helping beat the algorithm now! Lol
You’re a hero
I've had horrible luck with picture discs lmaoooo. They're used for decoration, literally all of them are horribly off center.
I saw something on how strong vibrations can damage a vinyl records structural integrity, is this true?I play music fairly loud but I never had a problem with my vinyl records the ones that are close to my speakers anyway.
Totally agree with you about picture discs. We own a few picture discs and they all sound great. I'm gonna say this myth comes from when they started making them in the 50's (I think) and how those sounded as well as playing them on a suitcase player (generally anything played on those doesn't sound the greatest) . The oldest PD's we own are Bowie's Hunky Dory & Let's Dance released in 1984 & 1983 respectively. Now while we hardly spin these due to their collectible nature. They STILL sound great.
As for vintage gear, the deals are drying up but they're still there. I've found both of my kids' turntables on offerup and I see them all the time at thrift shops for no more than $20. Yes, you'll have to get a new stylus and MAYBE a belt but we're taking $8 for the belt & $20 for the common AT cartridge.
I generally think as those Vogue Picture Records from the 1946 as the beginning, I sold a few over the years, mostly Big Band etc. There are earlier examples, anti-piracy techniques, propaganda, soviet x-ray (I think those were later) cereal boxes, postcards and other novelties etc. When it comes to modern picture disc it was actually 1970 or 71 with the second "Psychedelic Underground" compilation followed by the first band to release one, Curved Air - Air Conditioning (I got one, I love the that band)
I've got a warped vinyl that works great, but I'm afraid it would affect the tonearm... could this happen?
Eh... translucent vinyl is often noisy. And I'd never recommend people get picture discs. I would though tell them to avoid the "dead quiet noise" reviews from Discogs as a litmus for whether or not a pressing sounds good. Low-noise pressings are not the same as great soundstaging, and I much prefer the latter. The former is mostly just a quality issue with the pressing plant and doesn't have a lot to do with the actual sound a record produces.
Thanks for this video dude, I just got Porter Robinson's "Nurture" as a gift from my mom and both records are warped and it constantly changes pitch on track 5 so I have to look for a new copy
I was putting coins on my tone arm while playing The Beatles albums in the 60's. Now days the manufacturers are investing money in the tactile presentation of records or packaging as you will. Nice presentation does not justify a shitty pressing.
Warps: oddly an old classical LP we've had since the 1970s couldn't be played without skipping on "proper" TT's like the Garrard. I got a Crosley type (non-suitcase) two weeks ago- my third in 15 years- and surprisingly the warped LP played on it properly. The non-adjustable, without anti-skid tonearm tracked it properly without jumping.
Fifteen years ago i bought a new stylus from a professional stylus shop owned by a retired guy who was a walking encyclopedia when it comes to record player knowledge. He had hundreds of types of stylus in his workshop and shared some fantastic stories when i visited him. He had a special microscope and software which he used to analyse the quality and cleanness of old stylus to advise on maintenance and replacement. He told me that it is essential to wet clean new vinyl because there will almost certain be residu of the record pressing machine on the vinyl. This residu will make your stylus dirty and will affect the sound quality. I didn’t believe him at first but we tested together and i have seen the result under the microscope. Some might call this a myth but i am convinced that wet cleaning new vinyl will keep your stylus cleaner and therefor give you a better sound quality. When i buy a record, either old or new, my routine is to first wet clean with a Knosti antistat machine with Tonar fluid, replace the inner sleeve by antistat one, protect the outer sleeve by a plastic sleeve and the enjoy the music. This routine, together with turning the record, is very soothing, like giving the music all the attention it needs :)
Did an outside gig at a NYC College campus parking lot in June of 1989. The sun was melting and warping my records all day! We were chasing tree shade every 2 hrs by breaking down and re-setting up. To top it all off, the parking lot was facing La Guardia airport which is surrounded by motel/hotels.
The guests were calling the College because the music wasn’t letting them sleep! It was 11AM- 5PM!!!
I have a picture disc from the 80s and it sounds really good actually
The thing with colored records sounding worse is more due to the fact that those colors require a bit more drastic settings on the presses sometimes to get them to sound good and many times you might get a plant that presses a color without taking that into account and adjusting their settings
Hi,is the Fluance 81 a decent table,getting back into vinyl,thanks.
I’m glad you mentioned the record weight . Many 180 gr records sound horrible
I bought a 180 gram Pylon reissue and it is the only lp in my collection that skips but doesn't skip at the record store. They have the same TT a uturn special with a blue orto. I took it back home and it didn't skip. Why?
I have a Footloose picture disc from 1984 that sounds as good as its black vinyl counterpart. As with everything, it depends on how well its mastered, pressed, handled and all around cared for.
I have a question. I am considering the crosley c62 (the newest version). It has anti skate, a counterweight and relatively good needle I think. (The anti skate is only in de newest versions some pictures are from the older version :/ )
I am a student and on a low budget and have not very much place. I am just coming in to the hobby. But because there are some people that crosley is al bad. I wanted a second opinion🤷🏼♀️
But would you recommend it? I
I just recently got into collecting, and I started with the audio technica LP60. I’ve heard mixed things about this player, and I definitely don’t plan to use it forever, but until I can afford something better, am I really causing harm to my records with this player? Really enjoyed the video btw!
I wouldn't say it causes harm over a short period of time. Over many years, it might wear the grooves faster than a player where you can properly dial it in. When you get a chance, upgrade to a ~$250 player and you will be amazed at the all-around improvement!
@@TooManyRecords gotcha, thanks for the reply! Gives me some peace of mind until I can afford something better. I’m saving for the fluance rt82 which is 300, I’m excited to hear the difference!
Any thoughts on Orbit turntables? I like what you can do with their Custom one, but haven't done a ton of research on them as a company.
They're not bad but I've never used one.
I currently have a TEAC P-A688 turntable i bought new 25 years ago Full automatic. Other than replacing the stylus through the years keeps on spinning!
I like that you mention the 180 gram issue, more people need to hear this. If enough people hear it maybe labels will stop using it as a gimmick to over price records. The black vinyl vs color vinyl has nothing to do with the color, Its the carbon in the black vinyl that matters. Black is suppose to sound better becsuse of the way the carbon interacts with the magnet in the needle. The carbon and the magnet are also part of the reason there is static also. Pay attention to your colored records, you should have little to no obvious static. I noticed the lack of static in those records a few years ago. If you look at a picture discs, the picture inside is just paper. I use to have a old one from the 80s that had come apart. I think they just glue 2 clear pieces of material together with the paper picture inside.
This is such a helpful comment. Thanks!
I had the AT 160, returned it for the new AT-LPW50PB and added the 540 cartridge. Less dj more sexy.
About colors, picture discs, weight, etc, I run and opperate a record pressing plant, somewhat on the high end of things, so if you want precisions, I can help out, you made a few mistakes in your points, nothing major, though, don't worry.
Please do tell!
thank you for addressing the bullshit that is 180 gram pressings. this trend is pointless and definitely just a way to sell more plastic for a mark up.
ok i used a coin played two records before taking the coin off would that have ruined them, i have now fixed the problem but im nervous that i might have wrecked some records
I have a pioneer pl-570 that I got at good will for $10 and all it needed was a new stylus which set me back $25. I’ve used that for the last 4-5 years. I’m upgrading to a lp120 as I’m getting more serious about vinyl listening again.
I would be happy to take your pl-570 off your hands for a fair price.
I bought Mastodon's Cold Dark Place 10" picture disc and it sounds phenomenal. 🤘🏻
From what I understand, most of the stuff about putting pennies on the headshell comes from the DJ world. Back then, they didn't have timecode or "skipless" scratch sample records, so they were doing everything they could to get the most tracking force possible, even if it meant absolutely destroying your vinyl, which is also why DJs would buy so many copies of a record. Pennies were usually a way to add extra weight because slamming the counterweight all the way to the center still wasn't enough downforce for them. I actually didn't know that coins on a headshell was something that casual listeners did as well back in the day