I like the technical principles of this design,it's like the opposite of a a drag car that has next to no steering as the torque effect lifts the front wheels,the long trailing arms at the back should provide very plush control over rutted ground due to the pivot point and distance to rear wheel ie following an arc rather than straight up and down,should be stabilized well when jumping, like an arrow being front heavy,I also like the linear shocks but can see why it was ditched as spring compression would have no progressive ramp up and blow through the travel. Amazing design + if it ever evolved into 4wd I think everyone would be racing it! :)
Thanks for sharing. WOW never saw anything like these in the RC world. Really would love to own this buggy. Would love this the company send you thses kit to build in the near future.
Now this was something I was curious about......I always thought it was possible. This is interesting because it feels like we're going through what real life rally teams were trying out in the 1970's.
Thanks for another great Tamiya Tuesday Glenn if it was not for channels like yours we probably wouldn’t get to see these awesome cars. Congratulations on your 500th video really enjoyed seeing you collection. 👍🏻
Yeah - they’re definitely different from the norm ..... quite refreshing to see the Orb amongst all the ( similar shaped ) modern rwd buggies on the track ......
Incredibly awesome designs. I was intrigued by the pics you posted. Thanks for sharing this, I never knew a design like it existed. I wonder if it's the future of 2wd racing?
I just checked out their channel and they have some running videos of it. Looks awesome. You can actually see how it pulls itself round the track compared to the RWD cars that are pushing. Cornering is where this thing is king.
WOW didn't expect that love innovative designs Glenn have a look at Tenth Tech Predator X10 British avante and Schumacher Cougar KC adjustable mid motor and there was a kyosho MAXXUM FF but ORB look epic very tempting hope website up soon
The ttech predator is one of my favorite all time buggies too .... it’s great when designers think out of the box and try to innovate ..... keeps this hobby alive and refreshing!
For the record, there are those of us who really enjoy these types of videos. I chalk episodes like this up to "shop talk," and when working with so many models and parts and motors and accessories, shop talk is a nice way to expand the knowledge base on such a wide variety of parts. Not every video needs to be exciting. If you are here on this video, you probably want to know more about the ORB racing buggy, and you've done an admirable job of just that. No gripes here friend, keep up the great work!
I have to say guys, I really like it, especially as it’s front wheel drive, I’m intrigued by front wheel drive rc’s, just like the real thing, they usually have great handling. I wish ORB racing, every success in the future. Great video man. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧
Yeah it’s good to see something different now and again and especially if it works too ..... it certainly stands out amongst all the rwd buggies on the track that’s for sure
Yeah if you’re not used to seeing these buggies they do look kinda odd to begin with ...... I’ve had mine for quite a while now so the looks are second nature to me now ...... it certainly stands out against the other rwd buggies on the track though!
On the one hand, I totally dig the fact that someone thought completely outside of the box. But on the other hand, I'm sorta revolted by the looks of the thing. From an engineering standpoint, it ticks a lot of the boxes. From an aesthetics perspective, IMO, it seems like a big ol' swing and a miss. But I'd take one for a spin if given the chance. :)
They’re definitely marmite cars ..... you either totally love the design or you can’t stand it .... it does look odd to begin with, but after I had mine for a while the looks grew on me and now I find them pretty cool looking ..... one thing for sure is that it’ll definitely stand out from all the other modern 2wd’s on the track
The best part is that it’s VERY old school Tamiya in its commitment to a new idea! Tamiya used to try new (and sometimes crazy) ideas with every release. It was the biggest part of what made the golden age of rc so exciting. Tamiya! HIRE THIS GUY NOW!!!
It’s certainly a wonder in design .... the AC201FF may not be great on the track but it was a good starting point for Orb and glad that they carried on with the idea too .....
They’re more than just looks though ..... in the right conditions the Orbs are a delight to drive .... very predictable and forgiving...... message orb racing on Facebook to find out more about the buggies .....
The Tamiya based AC201FF was really just a prototype and proof of concept so the performance of the car was not the main focus ..... the subsequent FF210 and Forward buggies competitive buggies .....
I wonder if Paul would be interested in designing a fwd touring car. I love my FF03, but I'd love to fit the Nissan GTR LM Nismo body on it, which comes with the rwd F103 for some reason. For this you probably would need horizontal dampers in the rear as well.
Damn, all 3 of those cars looked amazing, but I'd agree with you that the prototype looked the best, and most radical. Another excellent and enjoyable video, looking forward to the next one!!
Yes - the AC201FF does look totally radical and being Tamiya based adds even more interest ..... sadly though, compared to the two production models, performance wise, they are miles apart .....
There have been a few in the past, the Ryuz FF and also probably the most popular of the fwd vintage buggies, the Kyosho Maxxum FF ..... all great buggies of their time ....
They look great if bit strange to start with i have seen them on web a few times but didn't really look that much but I shall be taking more intest in them for the future,😀😀😀
Yeah - they look strange initially but once you get used to the different looks, most people tend to like it ...... if anything, it’ll certainly stand out amongst all the other modern rwd buggies at the track
I’ve gotta admit, it’s a marmite look ...... you either love it or can’t stand it ..... when I first got one I was like hmmmmmmm ...... then after a while it kinda grows on you ...... can’t deny, it’ll stand out from the other modern rwd’s on the track
It drives really well and in the right hands, on slippery tracks the buggy is pretty awesome ...... any sign of dampness on my local track and the orb comes out to play .... and yes it is very front heavy but you can control the pitch of the buggy whilst jumping with the throttle much like you do with a rwd buggy ....
Me and my mates took a look at this in the 80’s. it started off because one of my racing mates seemed to go quicker backwards than he did forwards! Saying that, he was both a bit crap and drove a Striker !!!!!! 4WD were out of our price range at the time, so our idea to butcher a Tamiya Hotshot never got off the ground. Saying that, I think we should seek reparations from Orb Racing for nicking our idea ...... even though we never wrote it down or told anybody else 😬
its quite interesting, my only issue with FWD off-road buggies is the lack of rear bias. I had a Kyosho Maxxum many years ago, & it was a great on power buggy but the way some tracks were setup, it made it a challenge, with on & off power cornering, especially when that buggy came out, high torque servos didn’t exist, regardless, FWD buggies are quirky fun.
it's an acquired taste look wise .... i was on the fence originally but after a while and after seeing it amongst all the similar looking modern rwd buggies on the track the looks have definitely warmed up on me .....
pure rc auto porn love the out the box thinking,, jumped on ebay and got my self the yokomo YR-F2 1997 fwd touring car and looks like (one eye shut lol) same kind of thought with chassie shape ,check them out if you have time mate ,and thanks for the vid very very cool
Interesting - needs a name; maybe The Bulldog. Its got a bit of a wrinkly face and with all the muscle up front and little going on at the back its got proportions like the bulldog.
@@KenGorRacing and as rear as the progress 4wds. there is a guy who's Japanese is under the name of takahiro but I don't I think that's is the name of his channel but he had one of the progresses on their recently running I want to see someone restore both those on their channel even the front wheel drive one from kyosho.
I’ve not really had any issues with the rear of the orbs .... the arms have carbon fiber reinforcement so they are pretty strong ..... being a race buggy it’s home is on the track so major crashes are not on its menu ..... I wouldn’t recommend it at all for bashing at the car park though ....
The front end is actually quite strong .... you’d need to have a pretty catastrophic collision to break the gearbox ...... in the time I’ve had and raced the FF210, the gearbox hasn’t been a problem at all for me .... even with some heavy nose dive landings ....
Sadly There’s more to it than just removing the rear drive shafts - lots have tried that and found the car to be not very good as the layout of a 4wd is not really honed in for fwd ......
@@747technics8 on slippery tracks like dirt, clay, grass and wet Astro, having the front wheels driven gives a much more predictable and forgiving drive .... and over here in Europe where we have unpredictable weather the front wheel drive is at home on the outdoor tracks ..... 4wd race with 4wd ...... fwd here races with 2wd .....
@@747technics8 FWD cars were banned because they were too good/easy to drive well. Removing the rear drive shaft of a 4WD makes a FWD car with extremely bad balance. I want to design my own FWD car some day.
It ended up flopping, but not because of the handling. It's actually pretty nimble, but IFMAR forces FWD buggies to run with 4WD models that vastly outperform the FWD ones so there was really no point to it.
@@headofturtle4305 That's only an issue with the Tamiya and Durango based versions of this car. The new Associated-based version is mid-front motor, not front motor.
Yep... Kennys ORB... Great!
I like the technical principles of this design,it's like the opposite of a a drag car that has next to no steering as the torque effect lifts the front wheels,the long trailing arms at the back should provide very plush control over rutted ground due to the pivot point and distance to rear wheel ie following an arc rather than straight up and down,should be stabilized well when jumping, like an arrow being front heavy,I also like the linear shocks but can see why it was ditched as spring compression would have no progressive ramp up and blow through the travel. Amazing design + if it ever evolved into 4wd I think everyone would be racing it! :)
you seem to know your shocks! but yes the inline shocks i found to be very hard to setup right ..... the standup layout was a lot better .....
@@KenGorRacing Yes hard to describe in few words but travel becomes overly linear!:)
Quite liking this Glenn. Funkadelic. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏻😊
Very cool Glenn. Thanks for that.
Really interesting, thanks for this upload mate. 👍🏼👌🏼💪👊🏼
Very cool and unique style
Thanks for sharing. WOW never saw anything like these in the RC world. Really would love to own this buggy. Would love this the company send you thses kit to build in the near future.
Glenn what an awesome car the orbs evolved into great innovation by orb loved the info I would love to see it race 😎
hopefully when this virus is out of the way and we can return to some form of normality then it can finally get some proper track time .....
@@KenGorRacing great looking car I will look forward to seeing some footage 😎
Now this was something I was curious about......I always thought it was possible. This is interesting because it feels like we're going through what real life rally teams were trying out in the 1970's.
I just found this,TIPO350 ORB racing FF210 forward,the jumps are unbelievable!!!
Thanks for sharing, now I know and it’s definitely different and would be cool to have in the collection
Thanks for another great Tamiya Tuesday Glenn if it was not for channels like yours we probably wouldn’t get to see these awesome cars. Congratulations on your 500th video really enjoyed seeing you collection. 👍🏻
Being Dutch I really enjoyed watching this Thank You!
you have some very talented RC people in Holland .... I hope to visit them some day after lockdown
Interesting 👍
That's an odd one 😁 but interesting too.
Yeah - they’re definitely different from the norm ..... quite refreshing to see the Orb amongst all the ( similar shaped ) modern rwd buggies on the track ......
Incredibly awesome designs. I was intrigued by the pics you posted. Thanks for sharing this, I never knew a design like it existed. I wonder if it's the future of 2wd racing?
I just checked out their channel and they have some running videos of it. Looks awesome. You can actually see how it pulls itself round the track compared to the RWD cars that are pushing. Cornering is where this thing is king.
Yeah, in the right conditions the Orb is a beast of a buggy ...... I love racing mine when I can
I guess that's what you call independent rear suspension!
For sure! The rear arms are quite nicely designed!
WOW didn't expect that love innovative designs Glenn have a look at Tenth Tech Predator X10 British avante and Schumacher Cougar KC adjustable mid motor and there was a kyosho MAXXUM FF but ORB look epic very tempting hope website up soon
The ttech predator is one of my favorite all time buggies too .... it’s great when designers think out of the box and try to innovate ..... keeps this hobby alive and refreshing!
Very interesting video Glenn👍
Very cool and interesting Glenn mate Not seen one like that before👍👊🤟🇬🇧😎😊
TAMIYA GOOD!
Very cool.
thats just crazy
That rc looks mean!!!!💯
Thats really interesting I never knew that there where front wheel drive Rc's
The Kyosho Maxxum FF is a nice buggy ...... it has its flaws and limitations but the concept was good at the time ......
Tamiya makes a front drive touring car
For the record, there are those of us who really enjoy these types of videos. I chalk episodes like this up to "shop talk," and when working with so many models and parts and motors and accessories, shop talk is a nice way to expand the knowledge base on such a wide variety of parts. Not every video needs to be exciting. If you are here on this video, you probably want to know more about the ORB racing buggy, and you've done an admirable job of just that. No gripes here friend, keep up the great work!
They all look awesome. I'd buy one if/when they go into production. 🤞👍
The AE B6.1d powered Forward is the current model and is available for sale .....
@@KenGorRacing Can you show me a link ?I did not found this set .
@@Ichlassmichklonen look up Orb Racing on Facebook and message them about the cars .....
Come a long way from Maxxum FF.
:o
Great video. Interesting to see something evolve. :)
I have to say guys, I really like it, especially as it’s front wheel drive, I’m intrigued by front wheel drive rc’s, just like the real thing, they usually have great handling. I wish ORB racing, every success in the future. Great video man. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧
Yeah it’s good to see something different now and again and especially if it works too ..... it certainly stands out amongst all the rwd buggies on the track that’s for sure
I love these interesting cars that you find for the Tuesday video. Keep it up 👍
I’ve seen that car before on Facebook/internet but never knew anything about it. Great to find out finally what the heck it is.
Wow that´s odd and cool at the same time. Really interesting.
Yeah if you’re not used to seeing these buggies they do look kinda odd to begin with ...... I’ve had mine for quite a while now so the looks are second nature to me now ...... it certainly stands out against the other rwd buggies on the track though!
Cool stuff!
On the one hand, I totally dig the fact that someone thought completely outside of the box. But on the other hand, I'm sorta revolted by the looks of the thing. From an engineering standpoint, it ticks a lot of the boxes. From an aesthetics perspective, IMO, it seems like a big ol' swing and a miss. But I'd take one for a spin if given the chance. :)
They’re definitely marmite cars ..... you either totally love the design or you can’t stand it .... it does look odd to begin with, but after I had mine for a while the looks grew on me and now I find them pretty cool looking ..... one thing for sure is that it’ll definitely stand out from all the other modern 2wd’s on the track
ptrthgr8 I completely agree.
The best part is that it’s VERY old school Tamiya in its commitment to a new idea! Tamiya used to try new (and sometimes crazy) ideas with every release. It was the biggest part of what made the golden age of rc so exciting. Tamiya! HIRE THIS GUY NOW!!!
Yeah - I do like it when designers think out of the box sometimes ..... it’s what keeps this amazing hobby refreshing .....
I really like the look of those cars and intresting that they are front wheel drive, it makes them stand out
Yes - not many fwd buggies out there at all ..... and the design of the shell really does make it stand out from the rest
@@KenGorRacing yes it really does it looks amazing to be honest
That's certainly some engineering gone into that, love it 😍
It’s certainly a wonder in design .... the AC201FF may not be great on the track but it was a good starting point for Orb and glad that they carried on with the idea too .....
Wow love it
I think they look kind of cool! Neat concept! I may even buy one!
They’re more than just looks though ..... in the right conditions the Orbs are a delight to drive .... very predictable and forgiving...... message orb racing on Facebook to find out more about the buggies .....
@@KenGorRacing I do not use facebook
I like the concept.hope he can get the bugs worked out
The Tamiya based AC201FF was really just a prototype and proof of concept so the performance of the car was not the main focus ..... the subsequent FF210 and Forward buggies competitive buggies .....
I wonder if Paul would be interested in designing a fwd touring car. I love my FF03, but I'd love to fit the Nissan GTR LM Nismo body on it, which comes with the rwd F103 for some reason. For this you probably would need horizontal dampers in the rear as well.
Ask him and see what he says ...... he loves new ideas!
Damn, all 3 of those cars looked amazing, but I'd agree with you that the prototype looked the best, and most radical. Another excellent and enjoyable video, looking forward to the next one!!
Yes - the AC201FF does look totally radical and being Tamiya based adds even more interest ..... sadly though, compared to the two production models, performance wise, they are miles apart .....
I like it I like to have one.
message orb racing on fecebook to learn more about their cars ....
Was a few in the early days, like the Kyosho maximum ff, Nichimo vantage, Yankee tr85
There have been a few in the past, the Ryuz FF and also probably the most popular of the fwd vintage buggies, the Kyosho Maxxum FF ..... all great buggies of their time ....
I just love these cars and one day i will have a Orb in my collection. It looks absolutly stunning.
Go for it! They’re exquisitely different and rather rewarding to drive in the right conditions .....
@@KenGorRacing 👍🏼 cool.. I will.. Just need to save up first and don't do any impulse buys 🤪 thinking maybe do it summer 2021.
They look great if bit strange to start with i have seen them on web a few times but didn't really look that much but I shall be taking more intest in them for the future,😀😀😀
Yeah - they look strange initially but once you get used to the different looks, most people tend to like it ...... if anything, it’ll certainly stand out amongst all the other modern rwd buggies at the track
Good Lord!! To me this has got a look only a mother could love or possibly a face for radio..
I’ve gotta admit, it’s a marmite look ...... you either love it or can’t stand it ..... when I first got one I was like hmmmmmmm ...... then after a while it kinda grows on you ...... can’t deny, it’ll stand out from the other modern rwd’s on the track
@@KenGorRacing what does it drive and jump like as looks really front heavy?
It drives really well and in the right hands, on slippery tracks the buggy is pretty awesome ...... any sign of dampness on my local track and the orb comes out to play .... and yes it is very front heavy but you can control the pitch of the buggy whilst jumping with the throttle much like you do with a rwd buggy ....
Wow!!!
Me and my mates took a look at this in the 80’s. it started off because one of my racing mates seemed to go quicker backwards than he did forwards! Saying that, he was both a bit crap and drove a Striker !!!!!! 4WD were out of our price range at the time, so our idea to butcher a Tamiya Hotshot never got off the ground.
Saying that, I think we should seek reparations from Orb Racing for nicking our idea ...... even though we never wrote it down or told anybody else 😬
You should’ve carried on with the idea ...... it’s quite rewarding to drive when you get the setup right and when the conditions suit!
its quite interesting, my only issue with FWD off-road buggies is the lack of rear bias. I had a Kyosho Maxxum many years ago, & it was a great on power buggy but the way some tracks were setup, it made it a challenge, with on & off power cornering, especially when that buggy came out, high torque servos didn’t exist, regardless, FWD buggies are quirky fun.
If you look up the name Jordan Newbery on youtube it shows him racing a orb front wheel drive .
Awesome .... the Orbs have a nice little following here in the UK ..... our rain makes full use of the advantages of this buggy!
I would love to print one and build it, it looks so different and awesome!
Would love to see it run... 👍
theres a few vid's of it running on the orb racing facebook .... i think if you youtube search orb ff210 a few crop up too ....
It's an interesting buggy, a bit of a munter though. 😊
it's an acquired taste look wise .... i was on the fence originally but after a while and after seeing it amongst all the similar looking modern rwd buggies on the track the looks have definitely warmed up on me .....
“Munter” 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Kinda like a ‘bint’.
@@AlfaGTA156 More like unattractive.
pure rc auto porn love the out the box thinking,, jumped on ebay and got my self the yokomo YR-F2 1997 fwd touring car and looks like (one eye shut lol) same kind of thought with chassie shape ,check them out if you have time mate ,and thanks for the vid very very cool
yeah .... the yokomo is a very neat car ..... the carbon looks great on the chassis .....
Would love to run one be very interesting
it's a very rewarding drive in the right conditions ..... very forgiving and predictable ....
I'm designing a FWD car now. Touring now because of indoor season, but buggy version too.
Can we get a video of it running? Very cool!
Interesting - needs a name; maybe The Bulldog. Its got a bit of a wrinkly face and with all the muscle up front and little going on at the back its got proportions like the bulldog.
Yeah - it was named after the company that sponsored the build at the time ....
I love this thing... can u share this on my Facebook page...POTTLE'S RC scrap yard and small fun... from a Canadian fan....
You had my interest, now you have my attention. Is the 2020 version available? I'm kinda nerding out on this one 🤓
It ilooks like an ayk Boost because colors are black and orange.
Ahhh the ayk boost! Yes now that you mention it!
i made my ninja front wheel drive...... it was odd
Yeah I’ve had experience in making 4wd’s into fwd and they generally don’t work well .....
Want one - can I buy one please ;)
Ha ha ..... yes ..... message orb racing on Facebook for more info ...... ;)
Tamiya should make it an you need to please get a ff01-03 for the channel.
Kyosho made a front-wheel drive buggy and I hope they come back out with it again.
yeah, the maxxum ff ..... that is a really cool buggy!
@@KenGorRacing and as rear as the progress 4wds. there is a guy who's Japanese is under the name of takahiro but I don't I think that's is the name of his channel but he had one of the progresses on their recently running I want to see someone restore both those on their channel even the front wheel drive one from kyosho.
Strange buggy? Does look a bit fragile at the rear?
I’ve not really had any issues with the rear of the orbs .... the arms have carbon fiber reinforcement so they are pretty strong ..... being a race buggy it’s home is on the track so major crashes are not on its menu ..... I wouldn’t recommend it at all for bashing at the car park though ....
i like it but i would be scared to hit something head-on.
The front end is actually quite strong .... you’d need to have a pretty catastrophic collision to break the gearbox ...... in the time I’ve had and raced the FF210, the gearbox hasn’t been a problem at all for me .... even with some heavy nose dive landings ....
Seems like a lot of messing about when removing the rear “dog bones” of a 4WD would achieve the same thing, wouldn’t it?
Sadly There’s more to it than just removing the rear drive shafts - lots have tried that and found the car to be not very good as the layout of a 4wd is not really honed in for fwd ......
@@KenGorRacing it works though. also why would anybody want a fwd rc? 4wd and rwd are way better for handling.
@@747technics8 on slippery tracks like dirt, clay, grass and wet Astro, having the front wheels driven gives a much more predictable and forgiving drive .... and over here in Europe where we have unpredictable weather the front wheel drive is at home on the outdoor tracks ..... 4wd race with 4wd ...... fwd here races with 2wd .....
@@747technics8 FWD cars were banned because they were too good/easy to drive well.
Removing the rear drive shaft of a 4WD makes a FWD car with extremely bad balance.
I want to design my own FWD car some day.
@@tahustvedt fwd cringe
I can see this car being an expensive lawndart to drive
It ended up flopping, but not because of the handling. It's actually pretty nimble, but IFMAR forces FWD buggies to run with 4WD models that vastly outperform the FWD ones so there was really no point to it.
@@VestedUTuber ya missed the point of my comment, I'll give ya a hint,,,,,, it's where the motor and gearbox are mounted
@@headofturtle4305
That's only an issue with the Tamiya and Durango based versions of this car. The new Associated-based version is mid-front motor, not front motor.