The Black Art Of Nitro
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Nitromethane is the most effective fuel for the internal combustion engine, but also the least understood. Here's some of the How's and Why's.
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When he temporarily messes up a spec before correcting himself.
The moment I realize he has literally forgotten more than I know about these beasts.
I could listen to Uncle Tony talk old school racing for hours.
Hell yeah
BBQ sauce is where my $$$ is
Gasoline is for cleaning parts..Alcohol is for drinking... Nitromethane is for engines.
@That Dude There thank you and Tony for the tips as my new 2-G hemi build ( first time trying out "big boy parts/mods" and fuel most of my experience is lightly modified or R&R ) is a 7in rod and 4.5 stroker ish by 4.25 in ish = 14:1 CR ish = 526CI~ running turbo boosted with modern GM LSX EFI ( maybe even up to 20psi ish aka double the MAD depending on how greedily i get ) so i have one more question about running nitromethane (NM for short) mixes as i fully plan on setting up the fuel ⛽️ pump sizing for running E85 to M100 ( its still technically a 85 to 91~ RON USA 🇺🇸 street engine but obviously i plan on drag/road/auto-X racing it once in a while and this won't be possible at all without modern control strategy's ) so my understanding is on NM mix of up to 50% ish i don't need a bigger fuel system is that true? like it is for E100 from gasoline ( win im running 91 ish street gas pump the plan is to bypass most of the extra fuel supply / and kill MAD and or retard the camshaft / ignition timing ect. ) and with the videos advice does this mean i need to be really careful of detonation ( like paranoid 😂 ) and or Adams fuel NM tuning strategy doesn't work for my engine? when im feeling extra spicy ( 🌶 🍖 ⚽️ ) for buring my hard earned cash 💵 ( because i don't know how willing you guys are to burn 30$~ a gallon so most of the time im trying to keep my bar tab under 2 to 4$~ a usa gallon )
by the way thank you tony from saving me from your friends expensive mistakes because knowing me i might have done something similar to your story and i can't piss money 💰 that fast ( cough i mean i don't take home that much money 💰 pre-year ) because if i was your friend that day after the first engine ( id be upset 😡 that it Granded and my face would be white as snow. ps. just not at you ) rebuild and repeat i said pack up were done and don't ask me for extra IOU beer money for the next year or 2 im flat broke
@@richardprice5978 Thank god, someone else understands its not boost.. its Manifold Air Density that makes power.
o i should add its cylinder engine air density and the right lamda + lightly off the fuel that ultimately helps make power and positive inside cylinders pressure vs ambient environment and mechanically channeling the 50+psi into shaft RPM
And diesel is for power 😂
@@zuestoots5176 ask banks about manifold air density
This video made me realize why I like to channel so much.
I'm 41 years old, I've worked at a dealership for 20 years, and I've worked at multiple shops at night which I still do building cars and Hot Rods. I got a couple of random videos from the shop cars but not much. That's besides the point. Anyways, like any normal little Gearhead kid I spent the 80s reading Hot Rod Magazine. Once the 90s came around I was old enough to ride my bike to a couple local garages and even guys houses where they were building cars. My parents weren't around that much, so I needed some type of adult male guidance. I would hang out with these older guys and watch them work, watch them build their hot rods and take apart a perfectly good working order vehicles and motors. I would sit there and watch them rebuild these very vehicles and at first I was afraid to ask questions, I don't want to get in their way. Once I started asking questions these men would virtually stop what they're doing and explain every single part on these cars. It would explain what did what, what happened when they did X-y and why they were doing Z.
As I got a little older I realized I was not getting in their way, but there were ecstatic to pass their knowledge down to the younger generation. It is because these men I do what I do and I love what I do.
As I watch your videos, most notably this one, I can see the excitement in your eyes, hear it in your voice as you pass this knowledge down to the younger Generations, even the middle Generations like myself.
Watching this channel truly brings me back to some good times in my youth. Some of the people that if it was not for them I probably would have been dead by now.
Just know that for every 10 people that just watch a video and then go on to the next, there may be one kid that comes into our world and possibly avoiding doing some stupid shitt in the future.
Thank you for all that you do, cars saved my life, I'm sure I am not an exceptional case, I'm sure there is more to come after us.
Sorry to get so deep, but this video made me do a lot of reflecting
That was a great comment man...very much appreciate your message
Tony summed it up very well
Ya,,,cars "did the same for me",@ that 'time'{¡
(*Demos actually !
...now I "fix 'em",& cringe at the thought of how much they would probably be worth now!
"Thank you for sharing"!
The fun ended when you couldn't run what ya brung anymore. Too many rules for big bucks.
I guess that explains why drag engines like to shoot flames out the exhaust, if they're opening the exhaust early and simultaneously washing the cylinders with fuel. Great story, mate. :-)
Yes on the question of fuels
Good question for Uncle Tony...
What are those 8 white flames ?
The big companies probably destroyed one cylinder at a time in a test environment to let them know exactly what to tune their fuel to.
You had to destroy 8 at once.....multiple times apparently.
With no test equipment.
Tony you are the definition of a motor head .
Bottom cycle detonation. Would have saved me a couple Grand if I had heard that a few years ago.....
Jonathan Trauner I agree. Uncle Tony is aces
@@johngetman1816
M mmhm that's it !
What is “bottom cycle detonation” never heard of it
@@fergie5470
Mmmm , watch the video ?
Colburn, as the piston slows in the bottom half of the stroke (because the crank journal is moving back toward the centerline of the direction of piston travel) pressure from nitro fuel becomes incredibly high. As pressure increases, temperature increases. If the temperature becomes high enough, unburnt fuel begins lighting near the bottom of the piston stroke. Running richer (more fuel) helps cool the piston. A cooler piston gives the “heat of compression” a heat sink. The cooler an engine runs, the less likely unwanted detonation problems become. Hope this helps.
I have never listened to anyone explain the technical workings of nitro in a cylinder before. Everyone always talks about a tune but that's as far as it gets. Great stuff, for us with busy minds. Thanks UT
I love these old school story times from the veterans. Not just mechanics, but from all walks of life.
Who knew detonation was an issue on close to Bottom dead center? No more "premium" than Nitromethane to cool off that flame front eh. Very interesting, great stuff man
AA Fuel/Altereds! man I always loved reading about them as a kid, of course by the time I was old enough to drive they were mostly gone.
Hey you remember the bad accident Bob Glidden had totally tore up his car he was standing outside shaking his head when he saw the camera crews coming he stripped off his jacket and through it over his intake so they couldn't get pictures of it?
Rock crawling has gone the same way it used to be something you could do from your garage then the big money sponsors go involved and now the rigs cost 100s of thousands to engineer and build.
I
AA fuel / altereds, heading to Australia this September USA vs Australia, can not wait!
My god man you have a gift of teaching , you really do Tony!!!!
Agreed. He is someone that really can grab your attention and keep it
Teach me, master.
I miss the days of the white bleach jugs and push starts....... Quaker city drag strip Salem Ohio 67-77.
Bleach jugs??
Pardon me, I'm young.
My dad Gabby Gebhart used to operate the Christmas tree at Norwalk Dragway in late 60's and early 70's ,Great memories!
I been telling you folks - dude has legit credentials. Very few walking the planet has the knowledge Tony has.
That he's chosen to share some of it with the rest of us is truly awesome.
i was at the FIRST NHRA nationals Greatbend KS 1955. then in 65-68 my dad and i went to the worlds points finals Tulsa. what i liked about those cars was they used stock block, heads. there was NO race only blocks ect.
That's exactly why NASCAR is going out. Each race car is exactly the same since around 1988 . That's when I quit watching. Might as well give then drivers go carts. It would still be a race( fair ) that's the way of things to day. Don't win championships on races won't but on points. Ridiculous! Big , big , money took the joy of watching them auto manufactures and drivers duke it out on Sunday afternoon back in the 60s and 70s. Who can come up with a new trick and keep it a secret? And for how long, or slip something past a inspector? Ha,ha! Good old days. How about Richard Petty! Chrysler! Oh, Ya!
Good stuff there Uncle Tony! Gonna "fuel-up" the Cub Cadet and mow real fast.
What if you'd titled this video, "How John Force ruined racing for me!"
It still is, from a spectator standpoint. From a racers standpoint, the great days are gone. It used to be that all of racing was a one or two man operation. One guy built a car, with some help from his friends. He raced that car with an handful of spares and his own engineering. In 1976 my Auto Shop Class built a 10.90 class bracket car and raced it at the winter nationals. Everything in the car and the car itself was borrowed from other racers. The only engine we could get for that 66 Chevy II was a 283, punched out to 292 cubes. It had a roller cam and a 1050 dominator and we went all the way to the finals, loosing on a breakout 10.89 to a 10.92. We had run right on the 10.90 index all weekend. During that race we were able to watch all the other classes run, and I went into the pits on Friday to watch Don Garlits at work. He was making tune up passes getting ready for qualifying the next day. All the stood between us and the car was a velvet rope, which I could reach over to touch the car. He and a guy a little older than us were the only ones working on the car. At one point Garlits assistant dropped a wrenched, so I picked it up and went to hand it to him. But when I stood up and went to hand it to him Don Garlits was standing right in front of me, taking the wrench with a “Thank you son!” You can’t get that close today. Every car has a crew thrashing around it between rounds. Every car hides its setup. If your lucky you can get fairly close, but you’ll never have a chance to be as close as I was. I’ve gotten to the track super early and talked to a few drivers, but that an extreme acception to the rule. And the chance for the little guy to run with the Pro’s? That died with Dick Lahaei. He was the last independent to run in the nitro class and he won his last season. That all gone today.
Dang you talk about events inside a cylinder that are micro micro seconds you discover by looking at the marks inside. Good stuff.
Automotive theory is the best! It's good to know what is happening in extreme situations even if it doesn't seem applicable ,at the time, to your area of interest. I now have a better understanding of how energy is dispersed at BDC. Shit happens so fast it's hard to imagine how things act at that speed. I suspect the rings would be contracting and expanding. like a rung bell, after BDC.
Dude im over here shaking my head up and down like ya im understanding ur a amazing teacher without even knowing it im learning
Lol...it weird when we talk about the mid 80s eh UT....we got old.
Love learning stuff like this on your channel. Your knowledge and stories are always so interesting.
Very Interesting video Tony I enjoyed it and learned a bunch on how things worked
I followed your tips on carburetors and vacuum secondaries and holy hell.. my 71 ford pickup has some serious get up and go now.. makes me wanna race a camaro..
I learn something new every time I listen to this video, man.
Stuff about nitro to ask uncle Tony:
•Static Compression Ratio - what's the goldilocks zone, is there even one? What's too high? N/A vs Boosted
•Mechanical fuel injection - is it gonna blow up in the pump?
•Cam - what kinda valve timings does one need in order to not found their own space-flight program at the starting line?
•How much [fuel] does this thing want?
•Uncle Tony's "universal tuneup".
I'll be back when I think of more questions :)
I so much love the fact that you can explain the ins and outs of how engines work. It is guys like yourself that helped get me into cars when I was a kid, and honestly my love of cars fuels my passion for physics as well!
Great stories,love the car. Best car info on you tube. Keep it up Tony. Peace
I could listen to you drop knowledge for hours. My dad was a TRW sales rep back in the 80's and 90's. We went to the Gatornationals every year. The smell of nitro burning brings back great memories.
ya dale armstrong him coil just the best with the fuelers in the late 70 early 80s .ive got a picture i took at the gators of time board wen big daddy went 272 i think shirley was driving the pioneer car anyway back to 2019 great vid keepem comin
Awesome Uncle Tony《☆》Thanks for sharing your experience & knowledge🤓☻🤠
The stories and valuable information I've heard from this man is just unreal. Things that people don't ever want to talk about this man is like hell nah I'm spreading the knowledge
Wow, way cool. The guys in the fuel pits at national events at e-town were my heroes. Always wanted to do what you did, but never had the connections. Simply great to hear someone that lived it. Mad respect for your videos and your experiences! Ride On Tony!
Hell, I didn't have any connections either! I dove in as a helper, and learned everything as fast as I could! It was an unfathomable amount of work and some pretty unreal dues paying
@@UncleTonysGarageI figured you did it the hard way-working hard to achieve your goals. I applaud your success! I was a gopher for a bunch of guys running stock and super stock. Could never make the leap to a fuel team, even though I wanted to. The Wednesday fuel shows at Atco, Island and the raceway were something special. I love that period of my life. It was a real brotherhood, too
Big Money ruins everything, like most things, as you alluded to.
Spended about 10 years of visiting drag racing events here in Germany, and you teached me more I've ever learned in the pitwalks. Thank you.
New subscriber. I started hot rodding in 1980 snd it took me forever to find out about rod to stroke ratios and how they effect piston dwell time and tod angles. You just sat my world on its ear about this on a nitro motor! Superb insights and lessons learned. I love it. More please, more!
I love hearing stuff like this, it's amazing to hear what they did before there was all the computers and stuff
This has been one of the BEST video's yet. Thanks
GOD BLESS
Rick
Right on you have a new fan glad I found this thanks for sharing
Your nitro stories are some of the best stuff on u-tube, Ive said it before you could do a whole series on this stuff and guaranteed there would be hundreds of thousands of people that would love to hear it and create a huge following, I hope you do a lot more of these videos. Thanks
I've seen every one of your videos... I think this is the best one. I've been turning wrenches for a living since I was in high school and I learned a lot from this video. I didn't know detonation at the bottom of the stroke was even a thing until you mentioned it in one of your earlier videos.
Great video Tony. I remember the fun days with nitro cars and all the grudge races with those cars.
I remember when it was fun before the John Forces of the world showed up.
Awesome content. I never thought about the second pressure rise from the piston slowing down while the fuel is still burning!
Uncle tony reminds me of the people who helped me get into hot rods in the first place. This was when I was in high school. I have tried to stay into the hobby ever since. (Graduated in the mid/late 80s) over the last few years however it seems that things have changed and some of the fun has gone away. I started to drift away from the essence of what its all about. After watching this guy over the last few days,I’m wanting to get my old car out again and try to have some fun.. I want to say thanks for actually being real. It’s so refreshing. Great in depth information also. This is my new favorite channel! I live in the Nashville area also and would love to see the bottle rocket make some passes at our local drag strip, union hill .. 👍
Thanks Uncle Tony for sharing your knowledge and expertise. You bring joy to a lot of people. I love these old cars.
Watching from Malta! Love your channel uncle Tony!!!
Thank you for sharing your insight and experience, learned something new today!!
Beautiful Uncle Tony, I really enjoyed this video. This is your history, you had a hand in making racing what it is today. You're a wealth of knowledge mate.
Keep up the great work guys
Cheers
Great great video, love the nitty gritty tech stuff, the whys and why Fors. When I gotta rewind and listen again to really get what is going on and why. Always pushing the knowledge level. Not knowing how to put together a engine but how to build one and why. Keep it up Tony, still waiting on that PM so we can have a personal chat someday!
got to tell ya, I always enjoyed reading all of your stuff in all the magazines back in the day especially the mopar ones. But watching you and listening on this channel is really better because you can see the passion you have for it. If you were at NED from around 80-89 or at Commerce ATL dragway from 94-98 I most likely have watched / raced at some of the same events
Love the story. Nothing but feel good stuff there. Thanks for sharing.
I wish I had half of Uncle Tony's knowledge of cars!👍😎
Reminds me of when I was a kid listening to the old timers around my grandpa's wrecking yard shop.My cousin who was 45 years older built a 49 Lincoln hot rod that was the first real hot rod around the southern Oregon coast.That car would do 120 when the cops only did 90 in their Chevy's.Love the videos.
I could listen to your knowledge all day long Tony. Back in the late 80's - early 90's we used to have a lot of fun running Porsche Cup - then one day 'Mr. Millionaires' arrived with professionally built cars - major sponsorship deals. From then on - the cars built from 'backyard' sheds disappeared, as did the fun. I have nothing against 'Mr. Millionaire' or even 'Mr. Bliionaire' arriving at the race track - but it seems to have been the same event character changing scenario you mentioned with FUEL racing. It went from a 'hobby' to a business = the fun disappeared. I would never even go back to trying to compete again - it is a different character - but as you said - at least I had the experience and we had FUN spitting HUGE turbo flames out - HA. CHEERS all from AUSTRALIA.
I have watched a few of your videos and this is the one that got me to subscribe.
I gotta tell, I'm really enjoying your channel. This video was very interesting, thanks!
Roll up the window Uncle Tony. Fixing to pull my slant. The oil pick up came loose and bangs on my oil pan when the motor is cold and idles a bit rough. Not happy. Tell the new guys with the 170 good luck.
Awesome stuff man! Always wanted to run a small Nitro ratio on the street... just the sound of it I love!
Just an absolute wealth of knowledge uncle Tony.. One of the few old school guys left.. My dad raised me in that era of drag racing and hot rods.. I too miss them fun days.. Sad its a bygone era.. Thanks uncle tony..
Thank you for sharing this wisdom. Truly appreciate it.
Great video Uncle Tone through trial and error figure it out my man you and the family have a great night take care buddy
Loved this video man.
Not that I will ever work on, or drive, or even see in the flesh, anything like this, was f'ing cool video. The last couple of minutes where you finally explain wtf was going on was eye opener, for sure.
Its nice to have insight like that from hands on experience. Priceless.
great video as always keep up the good work tony
Uncle tony i usually don't learn a ton watching videos I'll pick thing here and there this video was mind blowing thanks keep it coming
I love your stories, you're awesome and thank you for sharing !
Good stuff! Love learning about nitro and hearing stories of how it used to be.
I've rebuilt one motor in my life. Just so happens it was a Slant Six, 225 cubic inches. Can't wait till your "two guys that are about as average as you're going to get", start wrenchin on that 170 Slant Six so I can relive the glory days and find out what mistakes I may have made. That was 1983 and the motor was out of a '75 Dodge Step-Side, formerly a Cal-Trans vehicle. It's possible it's still running today. And thanks for your answer to my question on the other vid. I appreciate your speed and cogency.
Cincy Spin The first engine I ever rebuilt was also a 225 slant six.I rebuilt it,put it in a 66Dodge truck,and it's still going strong today.That was 26years ago,It's probably in need of another rebuild,as The cylinders have to be about worn out.It still runs great,though.
@@davidh1249 Sweet! Great minds think alike.
Yet something else uncle Tony taught me! Cool shit! Thanks for posting this!
Your stories are the best. Keep them coming!
Looking at that Paint Can in your hands just Blows my Mind ....i work in Small engine Repair.... Nothing like an Old Big Block with Pistons like Coffee cans...No Replacement for Displacement 😂😎 Good Info
Tony..excellent video. Thanks !! I know how you feel. Stopped being fun for me too and now i just tinker on my own junk and enjoy it so much more.
I really enjoy listening to you talk very informative thanks for this channel glad I found it
Always good to hear real experiences and real life truth.
We love our Motorsports, I have told both of my sons they need to experience a top fuel event at least 1 time in their lives. I had my youngest son in the pits during qualifying for the Keystone Nationals @ Maple Grove, he loved it. Oldest son has yet to experience it. We live near the old US 30 Dragway in York( I’m sure YOU know the place Uncle Tony!!)
I’m gonna lose my job because of you Tony!!! I can’t stop learning from you, so I don’t want to leave the bloody house!!! If I ever get to go to the moon, you’re coming with me!!! New or old, I’ve never been with you in a lesson where I didn’t learn more than I did in any given years in school!!! Hey kids, school is so important but you don’t have a chance to have a wonderful instructor like uncle Tony!!!
U just explained to me alot of info that blew my mine. I hear story's of what people used to race and what they had done to there cars to make them fast or faster. I have an associates degree and ur old school terminology is the same as today's 1/2 inch 5/8 3/4 for stroke to increase the displacement along with bore size is the same for camshaft selection and here I am trying to figure out what a 3/4 race cam was lol now I know
I like the stories.. I cant get enough of the engine talk that has to do with all you mentioned. Do some more videos on the tech stuff!!
I love stories like this! Congrats sir! You made me hit the subscribe button.
Thanks Tony! Guys like you helped guys like Bernstein become famous. I haven't watched drag racing since Warren Johnson left pro stock..but now I'm watching you buddy!
Just when I thought I knew pretty much, I learned something! Good clip Tony. Thanks!
Great video... i have no experience with Nitro... i had no idea that the combustion lasts so long into the stroke that there would be a detonation effect at bottom dead center with a larger crank. BOOM goes the motor. Crazy!
It was REALLY fun in the 70's! I'll tell you what though. I have no idea how we ever raced without a Racepak. Even with the old paper tapes it made all the difference in the world. It took so much of the guess work out of tuning. The other thing that help a lot were the added clocks. 60 ft. 330, etc... Don't know how you could get anything to leave without 60 foot clocks and a data recorder. But we did...Love your channel. Loved the good ol' daze. The other thing that's gone is the camaraderie. Seems like everybody helped everybody, even the guy you had to run next round.
Geez Tony, I'm an engine person and I'm well above average on tuning. I know _NOTHING_ about Nitro. _YOU_ do, and I believe you're a genius mechanic. This explanation of Nitro tuning was clear as a bell man. Thank you 😊!
PS, what 'Rich discoveries' said from me too Tony, he said it better than me!
More power to you to move on when the fun is gone. It happens to so many things.
Thanks for the education unc.
Thanks for sharing.
We appreciate it.
👍👊
I’m a Mopar guy from Qatar, I love your channel man. You’re awesome, thank you for sharing these
Never would have thought bottom hole detonation was a thing. Thank you for your teachings.
Great video. Love to listen to this guy.
Great analogy of all this, I learned something today that I didn’t know.
Another great video uncle Tony
UTG,thanks mate I fully appreciate your take on nitro racing bucks vs superbucks.I worked on tom topping Afd in 91/92,kids in t shirts marshall stacks metal and punk blaring,dogs in the pits,setting world records😊goodtimes great memories.Adams and Enriqueiz?had the mph we had the et.
Damn Tony, thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us.
I love your video's and watch them more than one time each. Honestly I was thinking it was my daughters (6) cat Bella and was looking around to see if she was behind me. Then the dog, I was looking for mine (Kingston). Loved the video and I had no idea about the time change. I still remember my 1st time I was in a modded classic rod and hit red line in each gear 2 pole length and it was said it could not be done. Still best time ever, hope to someday share the love with my daughter. Thanks again for the knowledge.
Very interesting facts,you explained it great. thanks Tony
Dam u make some great videos... Ur a wealth of knowledge. Please continue what ur doing
Wow this video helped me visualize a problem i was having when i used to race nitro rc cars. Good info👍
Very cool, thanks for the insight.. watched the entirety of the video.
Fascinating thanks Tony love your videos
Just watched the funny cars last night at friday night drags, then came home n seen this thanks for all the info tony
I have one of Scott palmer's sleeves from his car a couple years ago, sure miss the clutch seating