UrbanHawk - Chinese Mechanical Locks
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- This is UrbanHawk's talk from HOPE XI about Chinese Locks. The official recording was cut off and the DVD didn't have the whole talk, so here we offer this video to you, courtesy of Nite0wl!
Slides here...
docs.google.com/presentation/...
Contact him here...
/ theurbanhawk
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I'd call this a great talk, but since he was 16 and it was his first public presentation, it's a fucking BRILLIANT talk. Interesting, engaging, the right balance of humor, solidly organized, the right level of detail. Absolutely fascinating presentation about a subject that only barely had me clicking to view but riveted my attention within a few minutes.
I really can't rave enough about this guy. I'd say he's going places but he's 19 now so I'm sure he's already gone places by this point. I really hope to see lectures by him again. If nothing else, he's a shoo-in to be a professor somewhere if he decides to go that route.
he seems to have some sort of role with the core group last time i ran into his name, not sure if its full time, part time, consulting or what but seems to be working in the field now
@@Simon-ho6ly That's interesting news! I can't wait to see what he does next.
An excellent first talk.
Dedicated service for shipping legit Chinese locks (rather than the knock-offs of them) to the West could be a future career.
Technically a fine talk too.
It's probably gonna be difficult due to the reputation. But if I were to do it, I'd register an American company and sell them off as American locks, only importing the technology and some key components.
This kid's 16? Amazing. Hope to see him talk in the future.
Now he is 19, math.
@@uiopuiop3472 what does his current age have to do with a comment someone made 3 years ago?
Math.
@@uiopuiop3472 Irrelevant math.
No. Math. Can. Be. Irrevelant.
Your. Comment. Is. Illogical.
Good talk. Very good for a _first_ talk. Very impressive for a first talk, by 16-year-old.
His big failure appears to be a failure to pray to the demo gods.
padfrog193 and preparation for the tech component, various cameras and the like. But a) that’s conferences for you, unless you’re a keynote you’re probably not doing rehearsal, and b) sangfroid under that pressure, so enh.
@@padfrog193 That's pretty much every other talk at a conference like this. He handled it very well.
Now he is 20, math.
Agreed with the rest of the commentators, this was a great talk. Very interactive with the audience and, unlike some other speakers, most of his jokes did not fall flat. You can tell he really knows his stuff.
He's got a lot of charisma, I'm excited to see what he does in the future.
Well done that lad, I'd have never had the confidence to present to that many people at his age, really hope to see him speak again in future.
The key concept of the yuema 750 and 760 locks is pretty simple:
They add an extra layer of protection (their sidebars) that is NOT actuated by the tension, but by an inaccessible weak spring.
Most lock exploits depend on forcefully trying to actuate the mechanism, so that the pins are forced to stay in a disengaged position once they get there. That weak spring takes out the forcefulness out of the equation.
Now that guy knows his locks👍
Brilliant talk for being a first timer! Can't belive he's only 16, this knowledgeable and comfortable speaking publicly
"270 minutes of pick resistance" unless you are the Lock Picking Lawyer, then it'll take him about a minute.
Chris Groff Has he ever even had a Chinese grade C lock to test?
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 Why not send him one?
@Drillo You can get one of the 48 pin locks featured in the video from alibaba
He picks everything in a minute because he only picks locks that take a minute to pick... a 30-minute pick of an extremely high-end lock wouldn't be a good fit for his format
AFAIK the standard is about "on-site" picking without preparation. LPL kinda always have the time to prepare and usually not picking the lock in installed form, so it doesn't count.
That's said, more recent years the topic in China has kinda shifted to electronic locks due to a guy able to zap a lock (literally) open. Still, that's also years since that happened so newer locks probably aren't as vulnerable.
Great talk, Five years on and I am seeing pickers pick these locks more frequently in the locksport community. The methods have been discovered and shared. Thanks for putting this on your channel, cheers
i have the bilock one its not too bad for how cheap it is better than a masterlock
thanks for posting/rescuing these talks friend Deviant. kudos to the presenter also.
Facinating how different their systems are. Thanks for uploading
Fascinating, funny, informative...This guy has a great future as a presenter!
This guy's a brilliant speaker.
Half my age, twice the knowledge. I think the kids are alright.
This was a great talk, but can I get the document camera?
Very well done by a 16-year old. Very mature and professional for his age and despite he´s only been cultivating his interest for 6 years.
I don’t know how I ended up here but I watched the whole thing. Nice job!
Agreed; plus his mastery of English is pretty impeccable as well. Sometimes YT suggests stuff for us that we might never find otherwise. He's got a great sense of humor too; making learning about Chinese locks more "fun."
I always find these long talks very interesting. thanks deviant.
Great job buddy! Wonderful attitude and approach. Looking forward to more
If that lock scaling system were used in the West, most Master locks would probably be at holding the lowest score.
I’m not sure they’d be certified as A. Just like movie grading, if it’s *too* bad it remains ungraded. So: master locks rated XXX.
It says at least one minute for A, thus none of the master locks with 4 standard pins is good enough to earn this grade.
Really friendly presentation. And that made the information you talked about easier to understand. Thank you. I enjoyed the show. Good job.
Very, Interesting talk. Kudos to the kid for getting up infront of everyone and giving the talk, great job for a first talk.
stumbled into this on google recommend. I thought this was going to be a dull topic but is actually more internesting than i thought
Do you have an interest in lock picking, coding/pen.testing/digital security, or deviantollam? Wondering by what Avenue CZcams brought this to you... (Which will likely affect your level of interest at my following suggestion.)
If you do a search for "DEFCON[#]" pound sign is a number variable. Sub any number under 25 or so, and you'll be treated to all manner of interesting talks like this (this might be from one, as I think about it.)
They are full of great talks about all sorts of topics underneath a larger umbrella of security and hacking. There is an interest in the hacking community for lock picking and non-destructive/bypass entry... depending on your interets, flesh out the search by dropping the #, and adding your subset of interest. See whatcha find!
Fantastic stuff. Lots of videos available on YT. Happy hunting.
Cheers !!
If you CANT pick a Masterlock...then you aren’t trying to pick a lock.
Shouldn't that be _"are trying not to pick a lock"?_
Dude, you nailed it. Good job bro 👍
If you don't know about this yet... Lock Lab with bosnianbill is one of the best channels for this kind of thing that I've seen so far.
2 years late...... LockPickingLawyer is great too.He's pals with bill.
@@SlayerO013 Bill also said he's not on LPL's level. He considers LPL as good as the best out there aka Kokomo and others I can't recall. It's in the very first vid of LPL's 'Naughty Bucket Chronicles' IIRC.
His success at beating al of those locks that Bill couldn't only confirms that he is better than Bill. Not to downplay Bill's ability. He's extremely good too.
very nice presentation
First presentation ever?! That was awesome!
As everyone else has said, great first timer, hope he can keep it up :)
Excellent talk and diversely knowledgeable.
Great talk. This kid is going to be something.
What an enthralling, natural, charisma and ability to keep a cool, colected pace! Fantastic first talk, young man!!! the world better be ready for you!!
Very fine first presentation and quite interesting.
The problem I see with most of these locks (at least the "home" versions) is in fact the Euro Cylinder design itself. I'm not sure about in China but I know that normally when you see these locks mounted, they tend to protrude from the doorway. The standard is it should protrude no more than 3mm, but as we all know in physical security, specifically door fitment, it's seldom done correctly. This enables people to grab the lock with a pair of pliers like ChanelLocks, and snap the lock. It snaps where the center mounting point is. This allows the cylinder to be spun and unlock the door. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong specifically on the Chinese designs.
Great presentation enjoyable and informative :)Bearing in mind your age I believe you will be able to do anything you set your mind too in the coming years, may fortune smile upon your journey :)
Very interesting, well done. Thanks
Not so sure about the file-copying analogy at 17:42, but the charisma more than makes up for little errors like that.
I guess he's talking about photocopying/scanning with a printer.
The audience was really obnoxious constantly interrupting this guy's stellar presentation. He handled it very well.
TSA approved locks here offer as much security as plastering a Post It note on your stuff with "Please don't steal my shit" written on it.
Awesome job man!
Man with guts. Approved :>
What a legend
That was great for a first talk
很赞！
was that Aaron Kaufmann in the intro?
You can actually get blanks for "Gold Atom" locks.
48:50 Abloy Profile and Abloy Classic is different ones. Profile is newer one with that groove in the key profile.
Nice presentation :)
He sure holds the interest of the audience and makes people comfortable. It would be nice if he sold good locks.
how is he selling locks?
Kid is 21, maybe 22 now. Wow. It was a pretty good talk considering his age, I know I've given far worse talks at an older age than that! I would've been terrified to speak at a con at that age.
@9:38 so does key control work in China cause it sounded like it didnt at first but ended strongly that it does.
Any updates on the Yuema 760 since the time of this talk?
after some search i found out that it appears that the name has changed to 750k1, and it costs ~95 usd
It's still pretty rare, but I found some dudes selling those on Taobao in China for about 260 yuan (40 bucks).
However, the wafer locking technology itself is pretty standard now. All new Yuema security cores features it.
That key-way with the smiley face and ears reminds me of the Reddit mascot lol. Anyway great talk Dev thanks for posting it.
I'm relatively new to watching these con vids, but is it normal for the speaker to be interrupted this much
I think guys at these conventions like the questions, I believe people do this often, several times per talk... Imagine something like apple release events being like this!
It means they're interested. Probably not a bad thing. It only looks weird for us because we getting the video version with only one mic, and not the full experience as if we were there.
Well, he did say to just ask if there was any questions instead of saving it for the end of the talk.
@19:58 huh? I'm the average Joe, and, since you're asking, I would say the one on the left looks more secure (which is apparently correct). I guess I watch more LPL and Deviant Ollam than than the average Joe, but that's made me less confident of locks across the board. It hasn't really affected the way I judge locks relative to eachother.
Did he say pastable lol. Great Video.
Animé Deviant ☺ wish I'd had half his confidence and intelligence at that age.
perhaps "computer key" because the dimple key usually has 2-value bitting, so binary code.
This started off as a horrible presentation but whoever was in the audience interjecting made the kid comfortable and made this a really interesting good talk.
I pick Abloy! I sure would love to add the JIAWEI to the list. I think it would be easier to pick because you only need to manipulate that tooth, you do not need the complete profile to manipulate the discs. Some cool locks.
which abloy?
aarocka11
All Abloy.
So then you picked the protec2?
aarocka11
All Abloy. That would include Protec 2, yes.
Proof pls?
电脑钥匙literally means electric brain key.
I've encountered computers or smart register's with dimpled keys. That might be it.
great presentation.
"I'll explain in just a minute...." then never explains lol
A b c keys plus g key for secret police to get In and bug your house.
17:40 Why would copying the same file over and over again result in data corruption?
How do you use a pin tumbler lock with A, B, C keys I’m so confused!
Please help!
The C key displaces something inside the lock, like ball bearings, which prevent the A key from working. I just pulled this off an Australian website after a quick trip to the Googler. Maybe the final key is longer than the contractor key? What prevents somebody from modifying a contractor key to work like the final key? I dunno, I dropped out of college and make food for a living 🤷
5:00 yoshi is key
- Mario
1:31 pastable
Did anyone catch his use of the phrase : 'Well, let me pull myself out of the "Depths of Tartarus" ? He said it when he got stuck with getting the camera to show a picture of a key. I'm amazed. He's 16, probably born in China, and he already has knowledge of the Greeks, their Gods and Myths. I looked it up. It is an exp0ression that says I am in deep suffering now, like Tartarus in the Greek Underworld. Amazing at 16.
ask some kids in their 20's these days lol, we learned about greek mythology at 10 ish through the percy jackson books, and later getting curious about the myths the books were based on. lots of interesting mythos and historical events are freely available these days. Also with his name and accent i would say he isnt from china
Dude. I like this kid. Where'd you find him? China? 🤣 He fits in well, that's for sure.
14:36 ....that's a silly question. it's not some random 'A is lower quality that B for no real reason' situation, nor is it rare to see things ranked in such a way.
..if you don't agree, go buy a Mercedes E class and trade it straight across for an A Class of the same year.....then wonder why the other guy was laughing as he sped away at speed your A Class sedan can't hit.....
How the fuck did he learn so much at 16?
For a first major presentation, not bad. I had to do something like that several times each semester because the UTTyler enginering college was focused on creating communicators. Which was a coincidence for me, I came from phone tech support and went on to a furtive air traffic control course. I really should just dictate presentation on CZcams, I have the voice and skills. Or go into standup, since ATC eliminated any fear of public speaking.
"If you copy a file over and over it'll become corrupted" what
I don't know someone told him that I guess but it's misinformation
Yeah, but there are exceptions to that. Cosmic rays from the sun can interfere with electronics and corrupt single bits of data. I know, it sounds like another tinfoil hat theory but it's, true, google it. I've seen some guy on youtube play with hard drives and big magnets, digging in single bits and he captured some value being changed and the returned back to original. It wasn't the magnet because the value would have stayed changed if it was, so it must have been either cosmic ray or hardware error. Anyway, it's just a small exception, you'd have to copy a file million times and then get lucky to really corrupt it.
@@bluef1sh926 sure but that's why we have hash checks corruption due to copying is different entirely as it's an analog issue
using a photo-copier.
He probably just didn't include compression in that sentence.
That if you upload an image online and it gets downloaded, reuploaded, downloaded again repeat
Then it will just get mutilated
Any lock approved by the public security bureau means its easy for them to get into your lock. The kid is spitting the propaganda he was taught.
i think in china, people will put in the time and effort into to learning how to lock pick. In the west people dont have the time of day for it.
Grimshaw Grummage That, and in a lot of the US, learning how to lock pick is actually illegal. Just having the tools to do so is a crime, as it “shows intent” somehow.
Most states seem to be ok with it from what I have seen. I have heard of some odd stipulations though such as....
Picks being found on a person while committing a misdemeanor = free upgrade to felony because you are just that awesome.
lol
Can't remember where that was from though but it does sound less than pleasant.
Intent is a major factor with the legality and must be shown. Picks themselves do not show intent any more than a hammer shows intent just because sometimes assholes use them to break windows and steal other people's shit.
I admit that other than GA, its been quite awhile since I have looked into legality in other states and things could be very different now so......
Best advise is to check the laws for your state and even local laws/ city ordinances before purchasing picks..... or getting inventive with windshield wiper inserts and a trusty bobbypin bent in all the right places.
Speaking of hammers and locks...
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Must say I don´t agree with the statement: " - You can´t pick what you can´t see!" Well you can feel it and use your intuition, so why shouldn´t you be able to pick it? That sounds as the same as to say that lockpicking wouldn´t even be existing because you can´t see inside the lock when picking it.
@La Nausée there are a lot of cases where if you don't know how to attach a specific lock and how the internals work, you don't really have a chance to figure it out unless you take apart the lock
what is the Chinese name for the speaker?
In soviet russia, government has master key for you
Is the master key carried by 4 people, or does it move on tracks?
i know he's 16 and he will learn, but reading out what's written on slides isn't the greatest way to do a presentation.
Thumbs up for the CCP!
from the thumbnail i was expecting to have to struggle to understand an accent
how dare you?! lol
very nice presentation