Howard Payne & Deviant Ollam - This Key is Your Key, This Key is My Key
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2016
- This is our HOPE talk. The official recording was borked but Nite0wl was awesome and pulled it from the stream archive somehow!
I edited it and where we are!
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Great job - one of your better talks.
@LockPickingLawer Love your Video''s style :D. After seeing this do you think its a better idea to build up a Comprehensive Key ring of everything or get better at picking locks? Kind regards -Hobbyist
You are my hero sir. I dont steal nothing like that. Just like the mental freedom this stuff imparts.
LPL MASTER IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About the campers my dad works as a camp fixer person he has one ring of keys that will open almost any camper door out there
"this is the lock picking lawyer" - laptop unlocks
Keys mentioned in this video, to save others the trouble: C415A cabinets, A126 Linear elevators/misc, CH751 gas pumps/RVs/misc, 501CH cabinets/boxes, CC1 golf carts, 1284X Crown Victoria taxi/police, FEO-K1 fire/elevators, CG1 government, 2642 and 1620 fire/elevators. Might have missed a few but that’s what I was able to catch 😊
CG1 is the aftermarket keyblank ID referring to the Chicago Lock K4 key series of double-sided locks which are extremely common.
I might be wrong on this, but I THINK even the new Explorer based police interceptors have the capability of being keyed-alike as well. I don't think this is all of them, but IIRC some of them don't use the keyless entry fobs and still have a traditional key.
Yea if you look up keyed alike .gov file type pdf you'll find some interesting documents
“Dance as if nobody is watching. Encrypt as if EVERYONE is.” what an absolutely incredible shirt
I looove that!
I believe it was an Adrian Lamo quote. Yes. I googled this.
I'm pretty sure with each of these sort of talks, my search history lands me on yet another watchlist.
Having a phone/computer lands you on a watch-list.
lmao SAME man...
@@Burger_pants A watch list is pointless if everyone is on it. Even if you're on one...even if you're on a very VERY important one, the people watching you, have no clue where you are or what you're doing, for the vast majority of the time. And those are the lists with a few tens or hundreds of people on. Bump that up to tens or hundreds of thousands, and the lizard people might as well consult a palm reader
Are you not already on all of them?
So I just started watching these a few days ago, I decided to look up 1284x and my city. Not only did it tell me that the city police department use it, there was a brochure that lists every key used in the cars to do things like lock cabinets and gun locks. It also lists that they are keyed alike.
A total of 7.... WTF!
"Furthermore, the 4 keys that come with the Police Interceptor don't contain microchips. Meaning cost is minimal for copies, and the entire fleet can run with one key."
From 2019 ford fleet line.
Keyed alike - 1435x 43E 59E
Keyed alike - 1284x 43B 59B
Keyed alike - 1294x 43C 59C
Keyed alike - 0135x 43D 59D
Keyed alike - 0576x 43F 59F
Keyed alike - 0151x 43G 59G
Keyed alike - 1111x
Totally insane that I have access to that...
@@justandardprocedureNo one man should have all that power
So, I used to deliver stuff to construction sites. Frequently I would arrive on the job site with a semi load of stuff late at night and sleep onsite to be ready at 6am for unload. The contractors were "supposed to" make sure that I had entry access to the site for my rig. One time I arrived at about 10pm with the crane and crew that was to unload me the next morning only to find 3' deep 15 ft long ditch along with a 4' tall 20' long pile of dirt blocking the only entry that I could fit through. The GC was fully aware that I was enroute and that he was supposed to provide entry access to the site. The contractor's truck was an old military blazer, that was parked in front of his Cat front end loader . Both use "master keys". 30 minutes later my semi was parked on site and I was sharing a beer with my next morning's unload crew. There was also a Kubota that we could have used, and a few thousand dollars worth of tools that could have (but didn't) quite easily had bad things happen to them. The construction crew's stares at finding me parked on site with everything parked exactly where it had been left was priceless. Construction sites at night are a security nightmare. BTW, this happened in a fairly major east cost city, on a major 6 lane road, within 100 ft of a residential area and we watched police drive right by us several times, not once slowing down.
'damn, the site hired a night crew. Schedule must be fucked'
I've always had a secondary useless key on my key chain that was from a bike lock that I've lost somewhere, but the key is thin and fancy enough to poke things at with. So I've looked up CH751, compared it to an image, exact match.
I was not expecting it to match, since I'm in Russia and all this stuff Deviant talks is related to stuff in USA, but, holy shit.
Keep it
This actually happened to my grandfather. He came by and picked up his grandkids, (myself brothers and sister) to go to an amusement park. He has in a tan Ford minivan. when we came out their 20 other Ford tan minivans. My grandfather was able to get into 15 of those mini vans before he found his. Now that I think about it that was just stupid.
I literally went to my junk drawer and found a CH751 key just now
The MK1 Ford Fiesta was all keyed alike. My dad found that out at Glastonbury when he woke up in the wrong car.
About a decade ago while I was in auto tech school, I locked my keys in my truck, an '01 Chevy. I was in school only because I needed proof of some sort of 'formal education' in automotive service and repair before anyone would hire me, even with all of the knowledge and experience I already possessed. I blew through the course with ease.
So I tell the instructor I've locked my keys in and ask him what to do and if he has a slim Jim or anything. He hands me a keyring with 100+ ignition & door keys from only late model(at the time) GM vehicles. I try a few and Presto! I find one that unlocks my door.
Funniest part? That same key opened every GM truck in the parking lot that used the same keyway. I was flabbergasted! 🤣 You can bet that, key was promptly removed from the keyring and kept in a secure location 🤣
My mom had an mk4 fiesta and accidentally successfully opened the wrong car. At least she noticed it because the alarm went off after some seconds.
Old chevy trucks are also
I am a member of Ford Escort club and at one of our meetings we found out that many of our keys worked fine in other people's cars. Interestingly locks in the fuel cap could be opened by literally any of the Ford Timble key.
you have a great knack for making me spend hours of my life tumbling down rabbit holes of con talks
Cant wait to go to a convention in a few months!
Could say he is a conman
legit
Deviant is why my father is now addicted to CZcams
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When I was in college I was at a friends apartment, and his neighbor locked herself out of her apartment. Long story short, we tried our keys in her door - and mine opened it. So we tried it on his door - and it opened it. So we knocked on another neighbors door and asked if we could try my key, and it opened the door. I had a master key to that apartment complex. We told the manager, who called the manager of my apartment complex, and I got a rekeyed door. I'm sure they didn't change the master for the other complex. That would cost too much.
hope no one figures it out and reverse engineers a ke
@@craigzurell378 or just, you know, buys it from a vendor.
So moved into a house 3 years ago, previous owners had a lock on the wooden cabinet.......after watching this I checked the key that was left in the lock....... Freaking C415A
Yep! Very cool that you found that.
"Sir can I help you!?"
"No it's cool man, I caught the Pikachu." LMFAO
My 2nd key chain is getting heavier and heavier every time i watch deviants talks. Lol
Mine gets lighter
I keep recognizing keys that I already own for one reason or another.
if it keeps getting heavier, you weren't diligent enough, that kwikset key, damn
xD
I wonder if there's a Dodge version of the 1284x, since that's what a lot of the fleet vehicles around here have started to trade up for. You know the manufacturers aren't any less lazy or cheap, just because it's a different brand, especially when it comes to government vehicles.
responding to someone asking you what you’re doing while you’re tampering with a Knox box with “nah it’s cool man, i caught the Pikachu” is one of the greatest things i’ve ever heard of happening 😂
My notes from this video:
FEO-K1
A126 linear
CH751
501CH
C346A
C390A
C413A
C415A
C420A
C642A
1284X
2642
6642
1620
3910
CC1 golf cart
Arcade cabinets have keyed-alike
Slot machine keyed-alike
Caterpillar keyed-alike
Instacode app
Snap decoder app
Instacode live app
USPS keyed-alike
NOX box keyed-alike
Let's call it 'key notes' 😂
Pretty sure that most bicycle locks in the UK that don't use a circular tubular are keyed to the A126...
it looks like the key to most of the bike locks I've ever owned, which is scary!
Most locks that aren't A126 keys are the CH571 tubular key, and so now it's made it piss easy to steal bikes ...
Most bike locks have cut-resistant chains/bars so thieves cut the lock with a disc-cutter, but they could go to a hardware store and for £10/£15 get the keys to open most of the bike locks out there!!!!
Looks like you missed the J200 at 29:10 the "totally-not-the-elevator-key" ;)
Thank you that made a great screenshot I forgot to take notes
The mailbox key I carried when I was in high school would start any club car golf cart.
Your talks have really gotten me into lockpicking, and your other talk with Howard, from the pit to the penthouse, made me really realize how cool elevators are.
Thanks so much! Very cool if you to say, and even cooler that you're learning and doing awesome new things. 👍
I had a pilot tell me once that if the big one went down he'd go to the airport with his Cessna key and just start trying it out and would certainly find one it worked sooner rather than later. Planes are like cars only moreso in that they have intrinsic value as long as they work and can pass their obligatory inspections, so it's not unusual to see planes from the 70s, 80s, even 50s or earlier still kicking around.
i had a boss once who lost a key to a forklift he was going nuts since we needed that forklift(it was our biggest) so i just walk to a smaller one and grab the key he didnt belive his eyes when that key fit (it was a 1ton vs a 16ton)
the whole heavy equipment thing is no joke, my dad sold equipment for like 16 years and he bought a comprehensive set from his employer for like 100 bucks with about 25 or 30 keys to fit all machines bc they all use a single bitting
Yeah here in Germany I can use my wheel loader key to start the excevator and all the other shit. 😂 Makes it easy for me but also easy for the guy who likes our equipment.
That’s wild
I have a cat master. Also have the new and old master code for the computer systems onboard written down somewhere...that ones a bit more uncommon. Hexadecimal iirc, been like 2 years since i used it.
I can remember taking a road trip vacation as a kid. We had a Ford truck from the '80s. We pulled up to a rest stop and there was a family with a similar Ford truck who had locked their keys in their truck. The key to our truck worked perfectly. BTW, thieves just cut hydraulic lines and drop elevated things on jobsites. Been there, had to deal with it.
I own a mid 90's Ford truck, came across a gentleman in the same predicament. I offered him my key, he begrudgingly accepted. The look on his face when it worked was beautiful. So beautiful I don't even mind he didn't say thank you. I just enjoy knowing his entire world view was shaken that day....
Here in Germany I have never heard of lifting stuff to prevent it from being stolen, it just sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
However I do think the keys of construction vehicles are also mostly keyed alike, which is why most construction sites now have these camera towers watching everything at night.
I was an RV Mechanic in a past life and can confirm CH751 all the things!
That picture of the Knox box, without the door, is common. During construction the fire department keeps the door and key, and upon final inspection everyone gets together. The owner places the keys inside, the alarm installer hooked up the tamper (otherwise it would be in trouble for several weeks) and the fire marshal locks it up.
Fantastic talk. Saved to my list of favorites.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. :)
One time when I was little my extended family went out to the lake, and my uncle dropped the keys to our ride, an '82 E150 conversion van in the lake. We were vacationing with friends of the family who restored old Mustangs. One of uncle's friend's '65 Mustang keys worked in the van.
2016: "It's online, and I'm sure it won't be for very long"
2023: still online
When they brought up the elevator key around 41:11, I nearly freaked out because I instantly recognised it. I'm not a physical pentester; I've only shimmed a combination lock out of curiosity, but knowing that this key works on elevators and apartment doors is mind-boggling
So I live in Australia, and while listening to this talk, noticed a key sitting under some piled up crap on my desk at home.... C415A. "Made in U.S.A.". No idea where I got it from, but it's going onto my keyring 😊
I'm totally adding all of the keys mentioned to my EDC.
I'd be really happy with my plane running Win 98!
No problem with updates!
It was really stripped down, and great!
I just glanced and I'm 99% certain I've got a Liner 222342 on my keyring, it's for my tool box so I wouldn't be surprised.
@@madsam7582 Windows 8 would be safer, that way the plane wouldn't be able to leave the ground.
“Veritasium, Derek from New Zealand”
Australians: 🤦🏼♂️
Last plane I was on, was running Widows 10. I asked the captain and he said he has no idea how it got on their system. The plane was running Windows 7 last time he checked. ;)
Wasn't a Boeing 737 max, by any chance?
@@Crazy_Borg Doesn't matter There's no stopping the spread of the Windows 10 virus.
I work at a place that was given a free Husky tool cabinet. It was unlock and had no keys. I looked up husky key and the code that was on the cam lock and a seller on eBay makes that key. We use that box to stop kids who come to our building from touching stuff. Nothing that needs to be super secured is in it.
We have filing cabinets that have the code written on the cam lock. It is super easy to get the key for them.
when i worked at a construction equipment rental, we all had a key copy of each brand, so we can drive them to the maintenance garage, that's when i realised each brand key will work most of the time on other equipment of the same brand
It's not just that. I had a '73 T-Bird, and it was the same across all Fords for that year. (Well, at least the 5 different cars I tried - T-Bird, Mustang, LTD, Comet/Maverick)
Always love your talks, great combo of humor and funny shit and actually learning. Not a lot of people can nail that down. Side note - told my buddy who is a heavy equipment operator about the fact that most of them are keyed alike and he just kinda went "yeah, and?" and didn't recognize the potential for very bad things to happen with that. Found it interesting.
I kkow I am two years late to respond to this but funny story. I used to be a HEO. I kept a few keys. I would go to work sites qt night and just move random equipment. 180 the excavator then park it again. Then i would qatch the sites in the morning as the operator was wondering WTF.
he's an android clone, your coworker?
Sweet! a copy of the talk that isn't all chopped up and broken ;)
Thanks Nite0wl! and thanks Howard & Deviant for an amazing talk!
This my favorite talk of all time.
My friend who had a Peugeot 106 at one point once walked up to a car, opened the door, started the engine and then noticed the radio is different and doesn't play his music. He then looked around, turned the car off, locked it up and found his actual car a few cars further down the street. Exact same model, color, and everything.
I've done this, but I didn't make it to turning on the car because it smelled weird before leaving and getting into the correct car. There are two equally horrifying possibilities: the driver left it unlocked, or my keyfob actually was able to unlock it.
I love this stuff I worked security for a year and got a knack for keys and locks that my friends find disturbing. I would love this kind of job because it is just what I find interesting by means of security. As I tell everyone there is no such thing as perfect security just the amount you need for what you are dealing with
Just looked in my pile of used keys, I have a ring of 9 ch751's, omg
You win, I only have 3.
Want to get into those semi-public rest rooms in a building that puts keypads on the door handles? Try using the building's address as the door code.
Or 1253 (Monty Python reference - seems to work 1/4 of the time.)
Or slap a magnet on the right side of the keypad and the door will open.
J. Rainwater you forgot to say Neodymium magnet
Probably only works in massive cities where the number is four digits or more, though
@@jameswalker199 append as many zeroes as necessary.
Town tax code is common in my area, as well as the major masterlock keycode the city public works uses...
Most locks just keep honest people out. :-)
There's a whole legal intent side to "Opening a door" as opposed too "Forcing a locked door open."
I've Kensington-locked my ThinkPad to the string that holds slat blinds up...
I swear I've got to just buy a bunch of these keys, since they all seem to come in like packs of 5 or 10 or whatever. I'll buy like 30-50 of each key, I'll just assemble "get into anything" Deviant Ollam kits then I'll throw them in a mini knock off pelican case with a mid-level lock pick set, a tubular pick, a Wera '6 shooter', a small electric screwdriver and bit set for taking apart comm boxes, a handcuff key and like a writable HID pass badge with a fake elevator repair technician ID on one side and "I'm a hacker, don't let me touch your computers" on the backside.
I could make so much money.
The great thing about heavy equipment is that they almost always just leave the key in the unlocked cab
Having worked in Casinos as a Locksmith for over fifteen years, most casinos do not keep the same locks as what ships on the machines. Yes, there was probably a couple of companies stupid enough to keep the original cylinders which are always a specific key to every machine they build, but in the casinos I have worked in, both as Employee and as outside contractor, the locks on the machines were Medico. Also, in the state of Nevada, an internal locksmith (Employee of the Casino) is not allowed to re-key the machines. That MUST be done by an outside contractor. I worked in a few medium and The LARGEST casino, also my software is used in a lot of the casinos in Las Vegas. I personally know a LOT of the locksmiths there. Only a little casino cutting corners would have this issue, and they are breaking the law by not replacing the locks from the factory. I last worked in a Casino in 2004, so my information predates this video.
You guys always do the best presentations.
As I was told when I was younger. Locks are not meant to keep bad people out, they are meant to keep honest men honest.
speaking of cop cars that look like cabs and vice versa, in St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, there is a cab company called Newfound Cabs whose cars are painted in a blue and white paint scheme that looks very similar to the blue and white paint scheme on RNC's (local cops) cars. There have been many people who've inadvertently opened the back door of a cop car and gotten in thinking they'd grabbed a cab, and people who've ran away from a cab pulling up because they thought the cops were gonna take them in.
19:00 The Ilco Key Reference guide is still available online... but having worked with construction crews for years, I can tell you that the majority of their equipment has their keys tucked into a panel on the tractor or hanging in a wheel well. They have no security whatsoever, and then wonder how someone made off with their skid loader over the weekend...
Thumbs up, loved the presentation - thank you.
Great talk, you are easily one of the best speakers.
Dude I had that key literally 30 years ago!!!!
It's about time there was another Video. :). Thanks Deviant.
Another great talk. Thanks for sharing, man.
this talk made me realize that my rollercoaster key from back in the day (that ran almost every ride in the park, and was also the maintenance key) is a generic Do18.
Watching this, 4.5 years later. I naively checked for a pinned comment from Deviant telling us that the state, or vendor got back to them informing that the 2-4-6 key was solved. dont know why i was expecting that
If anyone is wondering what kind of Whiskey is on the table, it's probably a Bunnahabhain. I have one on my shelf that looks exactly like that one.
Those blue screws are Tapcons they are specifically designed for stone and concrete. They are made from hardened steel and come in all sorts of lengths and thicknesses. Those blue screws are strong AF, bad example guys those where the proper fasteners for the application.
Good to know. I will reference that in future. :-)
@@DeviantOllam I appreciate your the dedication to accuracy. Only nitpicking because of your overall consistency being so on point. Keep up the great work!
I worked for a company that had 2 gallon size bags of CH751 keys... Glad I got one.
Now I gotta try it on EVERYTHING
Weld and grind your doors, Everytime.
bricks and mortar.
Old SAAB 900 had the only 4 different door key.
Time to get all of these :D
Decided since I was on shift at the gas station I work at, I'll check the pump key. CH751.
It's been a while, great to see you putting some new shit up. Awesome, like always.
Had to double check to be sure but I did indeed have a C145A sitting within arms reach while listening to this talk 😂
I really enjoyed. I would like to go to one of these.
I am a flatbed truck driver, and since getting my truck, I noticed a pair of keys attached to the sun visor (meant for the storage compartment above the windshield). After hearing about CH751, I immediately looked at the code on those keys. Sure e-freaking-nough... CH751...
took me 30 seconds to find C415A, it was less than 5 feet from me.
CH751 is so common it's literally the key my van uses for the cabinets, the thermostats at work, etc.
So happy this ended up recorded :D
Do another talk with Howard!!!
Just found a CH751 at my house. I forgot we had a travel trailer with LOCKING compartment storage 🤣 CH751? Check!
Time to go do Deviant things...to locks I already own lmao
Buying the uncommon part and having to pay more is so true.
I could rake that AMI Juke Box lock open faster than I can find it on my keyring. C415A & CH751 keys are used on tonnes of stuff from valve boxes, fire alarm cabs, gas pumps, campers, RVs, boats, semi truck fire extinguisher boxes, tool boxes, file cabinets, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I think half the electrical panels GE sold between 1970 and 2009 are all this same key too. My mail box was one of these keys, until I put a Dom lock on it.
Great video, amazing information. I wish you had talked about the 1980s to 90s Toyota trucks where about 7 out of ten were keyed alike
This key is my key, this key is your key, and this key is not like the others
Great talk.
On padlocks; I learned in highschool that if you put some pressure on the lock while rotating the dial, you can usually feel when it hits the correct number. I had a very hard to remember combination and didn't use my locker very often as I only had two classes that semester, so would usually end up having to do this to get it open. Used this discovery to mess with my friends, would rearrange their stuff and hide notebooks on them
It's crazy, what a small world. I grew up and live in the same town you used to live in.
I have a PacMan key from my grandma who owned a 7-Eleven! I am so glad other people know about this kind of stuff. I have a considerable amount of elevator, fire alarm, golf cart, etc keys in my collection, and of course that means CH751 and CAT30. I have a feeling I am going to be a fan of this channel.
But the simplex pull station is probably a c415a or ch751. I know the pull stations and alarm panel at my school are c415a because it labeled on each device.
i’m a New Yorker and i’ve seen that police taxi so many times, it’s always funny to watch a “taxi” flip on its emergency lights and start blaring the siren 😂
oct 19, 2018. pdf is still online.
I was literally just about to post a comment about this and wondered if anybody had checked recently lol
April 17, 2018
ILCO PDF IS STILL ONLINE
May 11th 2019, it is still up in the internet
Deviant, my estimation of you increased a notch when I spotted Scotch in the boxes. Good man.
Haha, you guys already had me checking out every elevator I stepped into. Now I'll be compelled to check out every lock to see if these idiotic practices are also in place in Europe. xD
I remember when GTA San Andreas came out, I stayed in my apartment playing for 3 whole days until I saw the credits roll. That was great! (sigh) Then I decided I needed to go to the store and the whole way there it was everything I could do to drive straight and not run over everyone I saw.
That's how watching this made me feel, I almost wanna go out and wreak some havoc now...
The majority of UK construction plant and machinery is one of four keys. That's why almost everything has a second isolator or transponder now. We also have more CCTV per person than any other country in the world.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that when the missile silo was decommissioned they removed the actual locks and the museum folks replaced them with a civilian version...I hope
Thumbs up for the Poke' Hack.
Same damn key I had at work for years with cabinets and on my folks camper.
Everytime I finish one of Deviant's con videos, I feel like I need to leave a "mischief managed" comment. lol
Lol feok1. I have 50 in my basement. I never realized until i came across these videos of yours how vulnerable these points are. All of my keys work on nearly every elevator I work on. I have my sets all lined up for any given job. Never thought about how easy it would be for someone to use it to their own ends. I am chewing my way through your videos my friend. If you ever come up to Calgary you have a scotch waiting for you.
It's October 2018, and I saw the PDF of the Ilco key reference online withing the past two months.
Growing up we had a Cherokee and a Wrangler one MY apart. Different keys but one Jeep's key would open the doors of the other but not start it. Interestingly the other was the other way around, you couldn't open the door but you could start it.
My old tj was so worn any flat object would start it. If I left my keys in my pocket I used my sunglasses end.
In my limited experience….the key is always still in the heavy equipment.
Great video. keep up the good work. new sub.
I travel a long way to see my old dentist. I got to the office after a long drive, and asked for the restroom key. I went to open the door and the key felt "funny". The key went in so easily, as if there were not many "parts" inside. Just for fun I tried my house key in that lock. Bingo! Good to know for next time.
Wow. I had an old police interceptor for years, and I remember wht the key looked like because it kept breaking in the middle. It looked exactly like the key shown in the instacode segment. It was definitely a 1284x
What about 40 TON excavators? You know with a little bit of fiddling with the key in the cylinder you can get just about any piece of construction equipment to start with a key you can get from any Case dealer, no tension bar required? Just go in and ask for a Case key for your rental, (you dropped it in the dirt and can't find it). They will charge you around $2 a key, but you can just ask for a box of them, they have cartons of them behind the desk! (Every piece of Case machinery manufactured in the last 75 years uses the SAME key!)
If you are in Australia, get yourself a 003 fire services key, opens all fire indicator panels and pump room doors.
Great video.