The CZ Shadow 2 Compact Is Not Safe To Carry!! - Is This True?
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2023
- Many people were anticipating the release of the CZ Shadow 2 Compact. If you love your CZ Shadow 2, then the same love can be applied to its Compact variant, as it is just a smaller version of the gun with an optics-ready cut and a full Picatinny rail.
Now, there are several folks who have acquired the gun already, including myself. I really enjoyed firing the gun, and I can say that it is a fantastic carry pistol due to its reliability and accuracy. It has a competition-gun quality, which undoubtedly puts a smile on my face.
But I just noticed that several Shadow 2 Compact owners, some of whom are fellow CZcamsrs, have commented that this gun is not safe to carry due to the supposed susceptibility of its firing fin to get hit by its hammer. So, is this claim true?
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Most people that say the Shadow 2 or Shadow 2 Carry is unsafe for carry have no idea what they are talking about. If you leave the standard length firing pin in the gun you will have no problem. Let’s be honest here, how many people drop their handguns? My guess is not many. Probably one person in 5, or 10 thousand. In 50 years of shooting and 30 of those as an LEO I have never dropped a sidearm! The Sig 320 issue is altogether different as those have gone off supposedly in a holster or bag. And if your are going to say the Shadow 2 is unsafe to carry you have also condemned a large segment of 1911’s. Nothing to see here except a bunch of trolls making things up in their heads.
I don't think it's trolling to not advocate for carrying a gun that can fire when dropped. Is it likely to happen ? Arguably not. But to say this gun is extremely safe for carry as the ai voice does near the 8 min mark , is a stretch in the other direction. I would maybe still carry one. But to say it's fine , just don't drop it , does sound funny .
Well said
if u listen to the whole thing he says its an exageration.. lol
Love mine 😊😊😊
Why do some make arguments up without a factual basis? The CZ Shadow IS a safe pistol to carry if it is has the standard length firing pin and spring in place. Things change when non stock parts are replaced the same as most other so called “safe carry” firearms. This isn’t a made up statement and there are videos that support this.
This will be my next carry option. Nice video!
Great information! Thanks
In over 30 years years of LE work and 15 years of running recruit firearms classes the ONLY time I saw recruits drop a sidearm was during CD training when we were trying to snatch a weapon from them. The weapons were empty. I never saw an experienced officer drop a sidearm so I don’t know where all this crap about dropping sidearms comes from. Maybe civilians have slipperier hands.
Us old DA/SA guys. Don’t worry about that stuff. PO1 with decocker. Or my old P229 in 40. Don’t feel safe with it? Don’t buy it. Simple
If you think it is not safe to carry then do not buy one
It is much more than that. People are endeavoring to determine if this pistol is safe. People want to do their due diligence. I don't know much about pistols but I'm getting the impression that CZ is like finely crafted Italian or Portuguese dress you. Why do some pistols have a firing pin block While others don't? Is it that some designs do not require them?
Two things the CZ shadow 2 is safe, not for the reasons you state. Secondly the firing pin is "designed " to operate without a standard firing pin safety. This CZ design is a tested and it works just as well as a firing pin block. You compared the 1911 and 2011 as the same yet you are forgetting both come with what's called a "grip safety" Cz does not use nor is it required.. I have seen tests of the CZ hammer being hit with hammers and the design will not allow the pin to hit the primer as long as you do not modify the firing pin (extra length pins). Nothing wrong with the updated CZ design it works as demonstrated.
1911s have a grip safety. These do not. I have a shadow 2 compact and I'm completely in love with mine. It's my favorite carry gun now. But having one in the chamber with the hammer cocked and safety on still is a little nerve racking. I have a Cajun workcdont to my trigger so I am able to flip my safety up while my hammer is not cocked. So I keep one in the chamber and with hammer uncocked or I'm half cock and safety on. So all I need to do is switch safety off and I'm good to go. But I prefer it this way b/c there's no way the hammer can move until the safety is off.
I love CZ shadow 2
Mine is gorgeous 🥰🥰🥰
Based upon a test done by the CZ armorer and shown on CZcams, the Shadow 2 compact is probably reasonably drop safe in standard configuration, but, as is known about Shadow 2s with extended firing pins, is probably not drop safe in that configuration. No problem, carry it stock. For me, there is still an issue decocking. Reaching the half cocked position is not done as the presenter in this video said. The hammer is not down, and you lift it to half cocked. There would be NOTHING wrong with that, naturally. However, the real situation is that you rack the slide to chamber a round. Now the gun is fully cocked, with only a single action trigger, and you have to secure and lower the hammer with your thumb or similarly. This is done probably many thousands of times in competition annually, around the world, without much risk of sending a round. However, even National caliber shooters have DQ'd by sending a round while decocking during the make ready, so if you feel that this is a 100% safe endeavor, I am not sure I agree. I am 100% content doing this on a range. I am not perfectly happy decocking like this in my home, given the safety and legal concerns if there happened to be an ND.
If you want to carry cocked and locked, I would question the low profile safety the gun ships with. It does appear that the wider safety paddle, available for use on normal Shadow 2s, works in the compact, and would be a worthwhile addition if you want to carry cocked and locked.
The number of uninformed people that have entered the firearms community stuns me. SA/DA pistols have been around for over 100 years. If you modify the internals of your pistol/rifle you are a dufus and bear the responsibility when things go horribly wrong. If you carry a DA/SA pistol cocked and locked you are also a dufus. To decock a SA/DA pistol: engage the safety and let the hammer down or use the decocking lever (SIG, etc.) - this SH!T IS SIMPLE AND SAFE PEOPLE!
@@jasonc9423 If you’re commenting in general, I appreciate the sentiment. DA/SA are awesome and they’re all I shoot (I have several). If you’re commenting directly to me, it’s a little bit odd. If you engage the safety on a Shadow 2, you won’t be able to pull the trigger to decock it. So you’re cocked and locked at that point. These don’t have a decocker, like the P-01 and other CZs (and Sigs and all). That’s the problem, in my opinion, for carry use. I agree with you on how to carry DA/SA.
When it comes to modified pistols, for competition it makes perfect sense. Less so, for EDC.
You can pull the trigger with your thumb blocking the hammer then release the trigger. At that point even it you just pull your thumb away and let the hammer drop it will drop it half cock not all the way down. As long as you release the trigger while your finger is blocking the hammer there really is no risk, just gently lower it to half cock to be extra safe. Don’t think it’s intended to lower all the way down in the first place
@@s.k7770 Agreed, lowering to half cocked seems right for carry on a pistol like this. Thumb between hammer and firing pin, pull trigger, let hammer move a little, release trigger, and the hammer will stop at half cocked position (as you say). IMO not as safe as using a decocking lever. In competition, you have to decock all the way down and your thumb technique is probably the best way. I have zero problem with that at the range (do it hundreds to thousands of times per year) but I don't like the idea of manually lowering the hammer in the home (given risk of sending a round, which is low but not zero, and the potential consequences of an AD in city limits).
Training is the only way to make anything safe
gracias Ted
Solid list
I absolutely love mine and I carry it everyday
I bought my shadow 2 sao I don’t compete it is just for range use. My p01 with Cajun trigger perfect carry very safe decocking the hammer. I will love to buy the shadow 2 compact for carry but lowering the hammer with a round in the chamber is no my favorite thing.
Practice and you are fine. If still uncomfortable, lock your guns and never touch again.
@@X_USSR_Soldier I used to feel the way you do, now I don't. I have two sincere questions for you, because on the internet we often don't know the experience level of who we're talking with: how many times have you decocked fully, manually (no decocker), onto a live round? And have you shot this new S2 compact? If so, can you share your impressions of the single action trigger?
For some background on myself, just for the sake of discussion, I compete (USPSA and Steel Challenge) with mildly tuned Shadow 2s, so I have a fair bit of experience with this. More than some, less than others.
I love CZs, compete with Shadow 2s and was salivating at the opportunity to carry a gun like I compete with. Seemed SO promising. Then I shot the S2 compact and changed my mind. I, like you, don't ever want to decock this thing fully in my home. Range? No problemo. Maybe go to half cocked? Then there's the single action trigger on this precise model. Very interesting and I'm curious about your opinion if you have shot it.
Does the shadow 2 also prone to magazine over inserstion where on an open slide lock. If you insert a nagazine hard can it bend the ejector
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I ccw a s2 compact and I’m not a little bit concerned it doesn’t have a fpb
Do you have an appendix kydex carry holster for this as your CCW yet? I've been waiting for CCW IWB holster manufacturers begin to make us a carry holster for this platform...
If they change the firing pin like others have done it will be unsafe. It will be unsafe if the extended pin is put in it. CZ knew what they were doing when they made it. People should do there research.
Like you said if you know how to handle a firearm there is no problem.
I wish my P01 had the same sexy trigger guard
I like my ZC75B❤
In a half cocked position, do you have to fully decock or can you do it before it going into half cocked?
you can go from full cocked to half cocked - infact its way easier than go to full decock, you feel a click and then just stop the hammer
@@serkmus so, while holding the hammer, press the trigger, (keep holding the hammer), and release the trigger right? If you follow the instructions in the manual, the gun will not let you go into the safety notch.
@@BFTR yea but instead waiting holding the hammer all the way, you just let the trigger and then hammer go almost rightaway and the hammer stays at half cocked if that makes sense
@@serkmus it does, just wasn't sure if recommended. All the competitor shooters say that people should decock the gun fully. The instructions show release the trigger after. I've seen people hold the hammer pull the trigger, release the trigger, and then it goes into the half cocked position
@@BFTR yeah but thats because IPSC rules says so, the gun has to be fully decocked - for carry you dont need to do that infact its better like shown in the video. Never knew why IPSC rules say so though
No fireing pin block on it at all.
Those are the same people scared to carry a 1911
I can carry my P365, P365XL, or Shield Plus with its 4" barrel comfortably all day long in a 2 clip Clinger tuckable IWB with its comfort pad. So who would want to carry anything bigger & heavier? At best, you would only use it for a range toy, competition shooting, & home defense.
I have and carry both the p365L and the Shadow 2 Compact. No comparison as far as shooting goes. Shadow to is way easier and way more accurate. The 365 is way easier to carry though. I choose to carry the gun I can shoot the best with.
You don't live in a cold state...during the winter you can carry a larger gun, and it's beneficial for the days when you have gloved hands.
Hello, I bought my cz shadow 2 campact 3 months ago, it has incredible precision, I cleaned it and put it away, I went on the weekend with my friends and when we are practicing my cz shadow 2 compact it stays in single action and I can't shoot and I give myself Note that the trigger has a screw which came loose and won't let me fire or return the hammer to double action or normal, I call the gun shop and they tell me that a wrench comes in the box and to return the screw and In fact it was fixed, I go to the range again and after 12 shots the same thing happens again, I don't feel very safe with this weapon, do you know if it is a problem with this weapon or just I have bad luck, I appreciate your response, thank you.
Only guns that are safe to carry is the ones that are owned by well informed people that have common sense and understand how every part in their gun works.
If you carry a gun and don't know how it works and what all the parts do, I recommend doing some research on your firearm until you know it like the back of your hand.
Another Sig P 320 or People that Do not know to carry safely would be my guess .
I thought you were a robot
Only a fool would carry cocked & locked near the cock that rocks. I’m a big CZ fan. My CZ p09 is one of my favorites. But, I still want the extra safety of a firing pin block and decocker. I don’t want to be
decocked. Lol. A great many of us carry IWB.
what advantage does 1/2 cocked have over hammer down? thanks
Half cock is kind of a safety. It's keeps the hammer off the pin, doesn't fully set the trigger, protects the pin from foreign objects. This allows you to use the double action without having to undo the safety first. The advantage is that you're less likely to have a negligent discharge.
The S2C isnt drop safe
@@IrishReaper1776 2 world wars, sig fires if you look at it wrong, yada yada yada
Your voice is great. Solid video and content. Well done sir!
It's an ai.
Even if the hammer is nowhere near the firing pin, if the firearm is dropped and hits the muzzle, or the dust cover first, inertia will drive the firing pin forward into the primer of a chambered round and a discharge can occur. This is the same risk that is incurred with a 1911; the remedy is the use of a titanium firing pin, which is lighter and less susceptible to inertial travel if a sufficient strength firing pin spring has been installed.
If I understand it correctly, this will lead, effectively every time, to discharge straight to the ground. I would be really interested in real numbers - what height is needed to give the pin enough energy to discharge.
This is only a potential issue with series 70 1911's. Series 80's have a firing pin block but that also reduces the quality of the trigger in the Schwartz design. You want the best of both then get a Kimber 1911. Most of theirs have a firing pin block but the series 70 style trigger because they release the firing pin block using the grip safety mechanism. There is no way those guns are going off without it being intentional.
A bot reading ... really?
User error
Y'all know this is AI generated and voiced right?
He has one
?
How about not getting drunk and using it to show off to your GF by juggling it.
Glock homer jealousy here...lmao.
It has to do with acceptable risk in the event of mechanical failure. If the sear or sear pin breaks and the hammer drops, it will fire. On a gun with a firing pin block, it would not fire. When carrying appendix in condition 1, I want this extra reassurance. I also would never de-cock a gun by holding the hammer and pulling the trigger with a round in the chamber, we all know that many people have ND'd doing that.
It has a safety, so it's intended to carry cocked and locked. If you don't want to carry cocked and locked, why not pick a gun with decocker ?
What is this? Some kind of AI generated video?
Give us a real person speaking.
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No gun is safe to carry LOL...
glock pistol is the best the one and only!
Yeah right 😂
Cz know they dropped the ball on this one, this is what happens when you try to please a competition shooter and a defensive shooter at the same time. You can tell this was made specifically for a competitive shooter requesting a more compact model of the shadow 2 but then the company ran with the idea of size and said hey this is also small enough to be a concealed cary weapon as well... Let's see if we can broaden the marketing value.
You don’t carry a 1911 IWB. your statement is flawed
Also , a 1911 safety is intuitive to sweep off. This gun not so much.
Yes people carry 1911s IWB. Many people.
And no the safety is intuitive on Czs.
I hav ebeen cerrying the same CZ 75 for 36 years. Your presentation excellent but it would have been better if the clip showed the actual half cocked position and how it is reached. I am very familiar with it and the sound of it. Incidentally I belong to the old school of thought that caries no loaed pistols so we ttrained in cocking for the first bullet each time. Acquiring the target is only slightly more demanding with the first shot due to the necessary cocking but we found the diffference in safety worth it especially for trained CC shooters who carry the gun 24/7 not for competition.Life as we know it is not about the OK corral conditions nor about the shooting range so we train as we would act in real life situations. DRAW- COCK ON THE WAY TO THE TARGET ACQUIISITION-FIRE ONCE TARGER ACQUIRED. I had/ve no optics on my gun. will have to change for i have no night sights either and my vision at 71🥲 yo is not what it used to be...🤓☺