Josh Pate On CFB's Transfer Portal LOSERS (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- The Transfer Portal has been the talk of College Football lately, and with the spring window closing and the last big names on the move Josh Pate took some time on Late Kick Live Ep 512 to discuss the losers from this cycle. LSU failed to make any moves despite trying. Clemson made zero moves for different reasons. Did Colorado find the caliber of player needed to win the Big12? We also saw Michigan State get dealt a tough hand. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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The military schools can't just take kids in the portal like a normal school. They are a bit different.
Absolutely true. NIL is also more problematic at the academies.
Military academies are at a huge disadvantage because every student, even athletes, must attain an appointment AND have stellar grades....
That's what he was already insinuating, my guy. The fact that Clemson is grouped with those other schools as not having taken a transfer since the end of the 2023 season really puts things into perspective
Yeah Clemson is doomed unless that changes.
Dabo toast
Michigan State has a real QB and a real coach they will be just fine.
Yeah I mean we've lost a lot of depth players but really only about 4 or 5 starters and added several starters. And it's not like we've lost any more than Alabama who is also going through a coach change
Speaking of the SEC, Ryan Day is 0-3. Just had to remind all of the Buckeyes. Now I wait 🎣
Dw, your time will come
He can’t beat Michigan either
@@vinnyrivas3951😴
@@nicholastaiariol2631 Yeah, but Ryan Day works for Michigan so you almost have to let that one be 😂
@@nicholastaiariol2631he’s beaten them multiple times as a coordinator, and as a head coach get off his dick 😂
Clemson will never be good if they don't use the portal
Eventually they won’t even have depth.
@@neylandsmaxims Agreed
Dabo has to be done I’d assume soon. He’s put all his chips into refusing to utilize the portal for 5 years and the results have been damn. Ear catastrophic
Dabo will live or die by his system. And, lately, it’s been a whole lot of dying.
Turns out, when he doesn’t have a generational QB his teams aren’t super amazing.
He’s the Tom Izzo of Football except he’s won more than 1 natty in the last quarter century
I mean I can’t judge the Armed Forces, I feel like they’re in their own division in this regard, so unless Dabo starts winning big like he used to to, I think they’ll be in for a rude awakening
Thats what I was thinking - oh you portaled to us? off to basic you go lol
I think the armed forces will do better this year but idk@@bromosapien4972
LSU had the top rated transfer classes for a few years. In my experience you can't elite OLine or Secondary out of them. We got good backs, I know you can get a great QB out the portal, but the less glamorous positions, you're getting somebody's leftovers
transfer portal is causing many teams to have oline issues
@@rickyrougs Good one👍
Clemson's excuse about not having roster space gets less and less valid every year. They control their roster and I'm not talking about kicking guys out. Their last recruiting class was almost 50% 3-star guys. They aren't Georgia signing primarily 5-star and high 4-star guys. They know the portal exists. Stop reaching for guys who will probably never see the field and you will almost certainly find better options with experience in the portal. I get their argument the first couple of years...but this is just Dabo being stubborn now.
Going to need a make do on MSU 😅 J Smith & Co are cleaning up this weekend. A majority of the players they lost were not starters. Brought in at least 5-6 improved starters. A lot of incorrect info given Josh, circle back on MSU and the portal cycle.
If a coach really wants to go all in and win why not over spend? Especially at LSU where you make 10M a year. Hell, I'd pay out my own pocket. Coaching is a profession where worst case scenario you get paid millions of dollars to leave after failing.
MY partner a lil make believe for you. You looking for a new truck. You do the research. Find what you want. That trucks usually goes for $65K. You find will somebody has for sale. Small problem is they want $365K. Would you spend your own money for that truck you want?
I’m for it. We’ll eventually see what works and what doesn’t in this new wild Wild West era.
Because then you have guys in that same locker room who are infinitely more talented yet are making way less than the player you just overspent for. Now you face locker room issues, players transferring out for more money, etc.
Would love this updated 11 days later after msu has quickly secured a lot of pretty talented starters and starting competition
As of now LSU is a loser in the '24 portal class. It's not finished yet though. LSU should be able to get a DT or 2 before fall camp starts. Even if they don't they will be OK at the position.
CBK did a great job of retaining players that might have left BR for the portal. There were only 2 players from LSU that hit the portal that were on the 2 deep. Both were OLineman. One was 2nd team center in '23 that was in line to start in '24 till he was beat out for the starting job. The other was a 5* OT that didn't want to spend his 2nd season on the bench again because tigers have the best set of bookends in the country along the OLine.
Clemson is a ticking time bomb of disappointment and the demise of Dabo unless he can get with the times. Yikes
I don't understand how Colorado is a portal loser. According to 24/7 Colorado has added four, four star defensive linemen up front and, you could argue some should be higher like Chidozie Nwankwo. On Defense they also added Preston Hodge a 4 star corner and, DJ McKinney who played a lot of snaps for Oklahoma State. On offense CU added Tyler Johnson who was a four star transfer, Justin Mayers who was a top ten offensive line transfer. Not to mention they added Lejohntay Wester who was a 1000 yard receiver for FAU, Will Sheppard who was a 4 star transfer, Rashad Amos and, Dallan Hayden. Colorado really did a great job filling their roster out. I am interested to see how the gel and, build commodity.
I just got diabetes from all that sugar coating
@@nicholastaiariol2631 I spoke all facts. I don't have to sugar coat anything. I expect them to be better than expected
it's because he refuses to sign kids out of high school. If you're going to sign essentially your entire roster from the portal, then you have to have a BANGER portal class every year, which he didn't.
Allat to win maybe 4 games next season?!
Four wins here we come 😅
MichSt was gutted last year too right? At least i know they lost some high profile guys with the QB and Keon
I need you to visit East Lansing and talk to Smith. Let’s make it happen.
MSU is only relevant in Lansing. Go blue
Come on Josh Pate your horns are showing ! SMFH
But they lost the Great Dylan Edwards
( and they sure won't let you forget it)
All 300 yards of his rushing attack. How could they ever replace that 🙄
@@TheIkeman74he was a true freshman
@@dragonsurge1 That rushed for 300. Do you have him going for a 1000? Because I’ll find you n take that bet . That cat is not an every down back. Him back there trying to block is criminal
@@TheIkeman74 and Ohio States 3rd string RB that they transferred in will be better than him?
You have to consider the O-line as part of the reason he only rushed for 300 yards
@@dragonsurge1 you skillfully dodged...but that's cool too . What I do know is, at no point this season will Colorado be like .... only if we had Dylan
Unfortunately, when your program isn’t “relevant,” on the off chance it does get any coverage, it is usually subject to shallow, surface-level analyses relative to its counterparts. Most would just assume that State’s a loser simply due to the sheer number of players they lost, without realizing that the overwhelming majority of them were not starters, nor were they projected to be. The secondary, for example, was arguably one of the weaker units on the team, even with guys like Jaden Mangham presumably returning at the time, and seemingly overnight, it’s significantly improved with additions such as Nikai Martinez, Jeremiah Hughes, Ed Woods, and Lejond Cavazos.
The Post Spring transfer window needs to go. After spring camp you are supposed to know what you have and be able to plan accordingly for fall camp and the season. But now spring camp means nothing. Half of your team may transfer after spring camp. You have no idea for sure until the dust settles. Half the players you thought might have some kind of role might be gone before fall camp. It's ridiculous. I think there should be only ONE window. And that's a window that opens up AFTER the last season ends. And it should close a few days; maybe a week, before National Signing Day. So after National Signing Day you know what you are going to have for the upcoming season.
Bad take on Colorado….. they filled depth and starters. Wym. You lost a CB that was a 5 ⭐️, not one even wants to give him a scholarship rn…. Dillion Edwards got replaced and so did Alton. So……
They just need a new HC
Filling out depth and starters when your depth and starters sucked to begin with is a recipe for a middling season. It's not a bad take to say despite leaning heavily on the portal, they don't appear to have improved that much.
But God forbid anyone speak ill of our lord and savior Deion Sanders
Yeah I tend to agree here. Cormani and and Omarion (DB) and Dylan Edwards were losses. Cormani purely from a top level talent perspective but he is looking to go to Florida and I hope they can get him to apply his skills constructively. Omarion was needed for depth. Edwards was a true game changer and that one hurt but they got in another guy to replace him
They don’t know… or want to know. Everyone that follows CU knows if the Dline and Oline is as good as their track record was with school the started prior, the big 12 is gonna have a problem if they stay healthy.
Colorado is a dumpster fire fam
Clemson fan here and I couldn’t agree more with you about the portal. The fact that we’re not taking a few kids that would really help is like shooting ourselves in the foot and tying our hands behind our back.
I’m not buying anything BK is selling. He definitely took a lot of swings and misses, problem is it’s called golfing. Which is where BK was instead of recruiting.
You really need to check the recruiting rankings for his 1st 3 LSU classes. Currently for '25 CBK has secured commitments from the overall #1 (QB), #1 WR and #1 RB. He be recruitin.
I think it’s been proven even with Jayden Daniels, a Heisman winner, 2 WR to the NFL and a potent offense didn’t mean anything without a defense. LSU will always land top skill positions on offense. What good does that do when u don’t have a defensive line and his excuse is LSU doesn’t buy players. lol sure they don’t. 3 losses with that offense and could have easily been 5 losses last year.
@@jacobstehly8777 It could have been 12-0. Tigers had 2nd half leads in said 3 losses. Had a two score lead 5 minutes left in game vs joey freshwater.
Tiger D with brand new defensive staff will be more than OK in '24. You do know DLine consists of more than just DTs. LSU is locked and loaded at DE/edge. Problem on D last year was Xs and Os. Not jimmies and joes. How could interior DLine look so bad with THREE NFL drafted DTs?
Military schools should tap into the defence budget.
Oh no, we're losing Mel Tucker players. Anyway...
I would take his excuse more seriously had he not just tried to buy a player for like half price and didnt get him. Everyone is buying players, he just wants the SEC discount, but with no national championships, who is Brian Kelly to ask for a discount.
Im not a fan of the portal or NIL, but he's just saying shit that isnt true. He is in the business of buying players, he's just being jewish about it.
He's willing to go to a certain price to get a player. No need to disrupt the roster/locker room for any player except maybe a QB that can take you to the next level.
Can we grade the teams that lost production.
I think your analysis of Michigan State lacks any nuance and is therefore highly inaccurate. The vast majority of portal departures were guys that weren’t going to be in the 2-deep. Yes, there are a few losses which will hurt, especially D-tackles. But they also picked up 5-6 guys who not only will be in the 2-deep, but improve the overall talent pool in their respective position groups. Some of the more important guys they lost were upper classmen in their last year of eligibility, while many incoming players had 3+ years to help the rebuild. (Plus, I believe they got Antonio Gates Jr. back from the portal, so you might have to update the list). Overall, I don’t believe was a big winner in the portal, but neither were they big losers.
Not even trying to be a homer but it's likely our roster is better now than it was a couple weeks ago. Lots of premature analysis going on.
The fact that we talk abouit Colorado is a win!!!
I’d rather get none of the guys than pay $1.5 mill for a single solid player.
We are good on numbers but needed 1-2 of better quality.
Forget playoff, I don't know if Colorado has the players to make a bowl game. Their schedule is not a cakewalk. It really wouldn't surprise me if they were a 4 win team.
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lol ...... gotta love sm. Everybody can make bombastic outlandish statements because of being anonymous and no consequences.
Everybody talks Nobody bets 🙄
@@TheIkeman74 considering last year's results, lack of high school recruiting and development, roster turnover, and the fact that Travis Hunter is only 1 of 11 guys on the field, nothing I said should be shocking. There is not a gimme game on the schedule. The closest are NDSU and Colorado State, and State proved to them last year there are no weeks off. And what does being on the Internet have to do with anything? This is a college football page. I was talking college football, not running my mouth about someone's momma, or talking bad about someone.
Considering last yrs results....you mean the improved roster and win column 🤔🙄
Trying to pretend your conjecture=facts is comical. If you so believe then bet on it. Insanity is everyone outside Colorado believing they know the team better than the media that covers them and the fans that follow them. 1st yr team improved. 2nd yr no improvement with an NFL QB, a running game and better DL. Yep sounds logical to me ✅
@@TheIkeman74 Nothing I said was conjecture. I listed facts. Hunter is elite. Sanders is really good. Then there's everyone else. Large roster turnover is a fact. Poor high school recruiting is a fact. Even with a kid like Seaton surprising everyone, the rest of the class is bottom of the barrel for the P4 level. I'm not a betting man, and don't feel the need to start now. I just enjoy the college game. But you seem awfully hostile, especially when I wasn't even particularly harsh on CU. I wasn't dunking on anyone. I just don't think they're going to be all that good. But I'd probably be upset too if I was a fan of a school that hasn't been relevant in 30 years.
Dabo basically committing career suicide at this point 😂
How can aTm be 3rd? You need quality not quantity. I like Scourton and maybe the CB Lee but the Pitt LB is just ok and none of their other transfers are anything elite.
Dabo has tried to get guys. He’s just not gonna buy players or guarantee them starting spots.
colorado got their portal starters in winter class. team gt alot better and added depth. wouldnt say they are losers. losing dylan does hurt tho
You are a hater........... This is the worst take
His take on Colorado was nuanced and he's a hater? You Prime fanboys don't know ball and can't handle people critiquing your demi-god
To even get into the Naval academy, athletes have to have a written recommendation from their congressman. Not to mention your four year commitment to the military when you graduate as an officer. Hell, these guys can’t even commit to their original school that recruited them.
Gaining an appointment to one of our military academies is a process. In some cases years long…..I went through it and didn’t make the cut academically. I had a 3.9GPA.
Idk how you could call lsu losers just because they didn’t get Williams or barow they got good players for their secondary and a couple of talented WRs plus gio piaz who is a DT which everyone says he was playing in the wrong scheme at his last school. LSU has one starter at DT and a lot of guys behind him including seniors I say just let the coaching staff do what they were paid to do and coach up the guys they have
Cut the checks LSU!
What's the right way?
I've always been a Dabo hater but this actually makes me like him. He's sticking it to all this NIL/portal bullshit.
Let Dabo stick to his guns. I respect him for it. I pray to Jesus he doesn't change at all. Even if the game passes him by because nobody else has honor anymore... At least Dabo does. And if it really just doesn't work anymore; at a coaching level, then he can just retire and join Nick Saban in fighting for the game on a bigger stage.
Yall really be reaching with Colorado. Like damn wtf did they do to yall?
lol! They just lost Edwards all the rest weren’t that good. They received much better players than they lost. Wow
If you say so
Edwards and Cormani were big losses. But Cormani needs to get through his character issues
I think Pate State plans on betting in favor of Colorado all year, but don’t want others to bet.
Wouldn't be the worst strategy in the world.
Maalik Murphy or Cam Ward should be at Clemson.
Coach Prime not taking in home visits is hurting him.
Right?! Not a SINGLE in home is crazy!
It's ok Josh to be critical of Colorado......it's ok, nobody is gonna hurt ya....lol
Unless the armed forces are losing kids to the taliban or Russia in the portal I am giving them a pass
Narratives changing on a dime around here
Since Colorado focuses heavily on using the transfer portal, we'll need to adopt a wait-and-see approach for the 2024 season. This will give us a clearer picture of how effective their strategy truly is. Personally, I believe they will find success, and many critics may have to reconsider their emotionally charged opinions. I understand the philosophical doubts, but I'm genuinely excited to see how it all unfolds starting in August.
I think this instantly aged poorly😂 MSU lost A TON! But I think they did pretty well most definitely not a national loser. Also Antonio gates withdrew from the portal
Why didn’t you name where the guys Colorado loss transferred to?? Cause it would make Prime right, and you ppl wrong. 👀 98% of them was not a true loss. But you guys carry on hating. 😂
Cormani to the Army Academy
The pure lack of investigatory journalism here is outrageous! You all hate Prime yet loves the money he makes you all SMH
We don’t hate Prime we just know for a fact he can’t coach. 2025 will be an epic disaster without Travis Hunter. Who blows a 29-0 lead?
@@nicholastaiariol2631 i can name 2 professional teams who did that if not near, falcons and chargers but no one crying over them who gettin paid millions but that part nothin. What exactly are the facts he cant coach?
@@nicholastaiariol2631 i have time today so please find your FACTS not your opinion to support what youve said… ill wait
By all means Dan, explain to us how Colorado are winners in the transfer portal.
@@Isaac_73they literally got better. They’re retuning 71% of their production from last year. They added 2 backs who are 3 down backs. Omarion cooper wasn’t even a starter. Then they added a db from Auburn who was slated to start. What CU lost in the portal is no where near what they got in the portal. They realistically lost 1 starter and a few players that were 2nd/3rd on the depth chart.
LSU == I thought we signed a DT-- Wisconsin’s Gio Paez. Josh said we did not sign anyone. Am I missing something?
Technically he was before Spring portal since he entered in between windows as a grad transfer
Bo Davis, doing Bo Davis things 😮
Dabo gonna screw Clemson out of a seat in the SEC or B1G 10. If they miss out of this 12 team tournament consecutive years. From where they were before till what they are now?!! He better get with the times. Those plantation days are over
This guy continues to attempt to compare what Colorado is doing to build a foundation to winning established programs. It’s comparing apples to watermelons. Do you think Prime will live and die by the portal in year 3, 4 or 8? Do you think Colorado will attract better athletes with a “track record” for winning? This same lame will talk senselessly when Colorado does win doing it their way…. As a matter of fact I look forward to him and them moving the goalposts for clicks.
This is the first year of the “bought not built” era of college football, where every player is an unrestricted free agent every year (Or, uh, I mean he can avail himself of opportunities to further his education and athletic journey by means of the transfer portal), and where blue blood, money programs get to lose 2 games and suffer no consequences.
Given the new mercenary incentive structures it will be fun to see the first player who wins national championships for 2 or more teams, maybe 2 Heismans for 2 different teams, or maybe 2 conference championships playing for rivals in the same conference.
As these things stand, unregulated, college football will suck.
You are 100 percent wrong. The idea that teams are being “bought not built” is wrong. Teams that try to buy a team in the portal can be good, but they aren’t the great teams. Deion is trying to buy a great team at Colorado and it hasn’t worked. The portal is good for filling in depth and gaps, but all the great teams develop talent much more than they portal it in. That’s the truth, and your opinion is one that I see all over the place and it’s, quite frankly, stupid and out of touch.
@@princeofgreece9054
Well you do see yourself in the mirror every morning so perhaps you are a subject matter expert on stupid.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, using Colorado as your blanket summary of portal focus is a great example of the logical fallacy of false equivalence. Colorado isn’t Ohio State, where they ran their QB out of town along with most of their running back room so they could buy Judkins as a highest bidder for his services. You’re already seeing guys playing for 3 teams in 4 years and this unrestricted free agency unfairly advantages the deeper-pocketed schools. Anyone with a 3-digit IQ can see that, and those who know football have expressed their concerns. Joel Klatt is one of several prominent examples. Coaches now can’t plan to attack their upcoming schedules because they could literally lose 3 key pieces to their starting squad and several of their future plans for their programs after the spring game.
Add to this paying guys who haven’t taken a snap in a real game making 5 times what veterans are and you destabilize the sport to the point where the bigger, richer schools will be a semi-pro league and the smaller schools will be developing farm systems for the bigger schools. Until it’s regulated you may as well make your program comptroller a recruiting coach and give him/her a hat and a t-shirt along with the rest of them.
Ask Nick Saban what the straw was that broke his back. 15 seconds after dropping a bowl game to Michigan he had guys asking about how much they would make the next year and how much playing time they would get.
Prime coaches as good as he recruits 😂😂
Stop looking at paper and watch film. Everyone cu brought in was better than what they’ve lost. Only true loss I’d say is Omarion cooper but then again he wasn’t starting
it's not just about if they guys coming in are better than the guys leaving. It's also about building chemistry and depth which is something Colorado will find almost impossible to do without High School recruiting. If Colorado was adding 15-25 guys in high school recruiting then nobody would have a problem with their transfers. The problem is they only added 5 high school players. Also oline is very hard to build just through the portal. you can add 1 guy here or there but you are never going to have a good oline just based off portal and that was big weakness for Colorado last year.
@@tomdemay6147 oline definitely has to build chemistry
Not a clemson fan ... but i will say this for them, THEY ARE IN GOOD COMPANY (Army, Navy, Air Force) ... good for you Dabo ... much RESPECT !!!
i hope you are joking
Not at all ... i don't think his approach is perfect, but it is honorable ... I believe him to be a very good man ...
@@bobackerman54 i dont think its honorable at all. there is nothing wrong with transfers. comparing him to the service academy is ridiculous. they can't take transfers because of their admission standards. dabo isn't doing this on some moral high ground. he HIMSELF has said he "isn't against the transfer portal" and "has offered plenty of guys we just didn't get them" so you are pretending he is operating on some moral high ground when the reality is he is just out of touch.
Stop babying Colorado , you say every other team lost and when you speak about Colorado you tread lightly . Colorado sucks , Deion sucks and his players suck period. Stop this nonsense, you wouldn’t talk about any other program that went 4-8 with such caution so why do it with Colorado?
Because if you even hint at saying something remotely negative about Prime, his dickriders come out in force to defend him.
I agree with U 100% Dion is a EFFEN CLOWN & his sons R overrated hot trash!
Thank you for saying what needed to be said
Exactly. Deion is not bought in for the long run at all. I would not be surprised he leaves when his kids do and that’s why he doesn’t recruit highschoolers. No development. He is only interested in money and fame, but the media is too hesitant to criticize him because of the backlash from the CU Stans that know nothing about CFB.
Does the portal even apply to the Military schools? kinda... a hard situation to join lol
The NIL game is here. You either know how to play it or you don't. Brian Kelly doesn't know how to play it, plain and simple.
As he is worried about paying the market going price. As he claims it is buying players. Well, didn't LSU buy him and his coaching staff by paying full market price.
But that's different. How are Kelly and his coaching staff worth their expensive market value price but transfer portal players are not?
I mean, the whole situation reeks of hypocrisy.
Since when is paying fair market value considered over spending? It is when you miss on players because you were far too cheap. Over-spending in this day and age of transfer portal NIL is nothing but a very lame excuse. The truth is Kelly miserably failed and that's all there is to it. He let LSU's fan base down and he should just own up to it and admit he screwed up.
When he misses out on the playoffs and 25 million dollars, maybe then he will realize he screwed up but I doubt it.
Now if LSU can't afford to pay the NIL market value price, then the onus falls on Woodward. Either way it is still a failure.