Charging a Ford EV at a Tesla Supercharger is.... Mostly Easy.
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- čas přidán 28. 02. 2024
- Tesla just opened up 15,000 of their Tesla Superchargers to Ford, (and soon Rivian) The Tesla adapter is FREE for now, just request one from Ford. But will cost a whopping 230 dollars after June 30th 2024.
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That 30% markup is probably cause they know you're taking up 2 spots lol
Also just to keep a benefit for Tesla ownership while also opening up the chargers to others. I think that's a pretty fair way of doing it instead of excluding people from using otherwise empty chargers *coughRIVIANcough
lol. true. They deserve to be able to charge more since they did invest all that money into the infrastructure.
Well by that logic it should have been 100% higher shouldn't it? 🤣
@@lars-andreeilertsenNo that would be an outrageous cost increase! They still need to be competitive with charging America stations!
They should take the profit and retrofit the chargers with longer cables. Problem solved.
Tesla is adding 1 supercharger stall per hour in the US. That's pretty cool.
that's..
really cool.
Tesla is almost all of the US charging infrastructure at this point. Especially if you factor in fact that Electrify America network is a pile of crap with constant issues.
This is probably a good business decision in the long run
As a Ford EV owner I agree.
For Tesla? Not sure. Access to Tesla SC has been one of the reasons why people choose Tesla over other EVs. So, this would certainly have an impact in Tesla sales, which I think is greater than the revenue from charging other EV using SC. I mean, Tesla was giving free access to SC on its early days, EVs is where the money at.
Of course, this could also increase Tesla's brand awareness. So, overall? Dunno.
@@807800Better charging networks will start popping up it’s just a matter of time. So Tesla bringing car manufacturers to their network and charging standard makes any new standard adoption more difficult. So they are securing the future of NACS which in addition to the revenue generated from charging is a way bigger win long term than the loss in sales which is already minimal from the lack of competition. Tesla is always thinking long term
@@807800imagine all gas station own by tesla. Yeah sht ton of profit
Tesla is forecasted to earn an additional $6-$12 billion dollars per year by 2030 for opening up their network for non Tesla EVs.
I was at the Cleveland auto show today and the Ford manufacturer representatives said on the 2024 lightning, the
Tesla Charging port will be on the right side along with the CCS port on the left side. As a Tesla owner the greatest percentage of Tesla chargers are the short, stiff, and thick cord variety!
2024’s are out one plug, 2025’s maybe.
Ford can only use V3 superchargers so they are the slimer cabled sites. The stiff ones are V2 and those will remain Tesla only.
Ah yes, good ol' marketing and sales telling customers fairytales that make the actual engineers roll their eyes. Next gen BEV truck - which wont be called Lightning - will have that capability. Why would Ford spend thousands of dollars for a second charge port on a vehicle that only has 2 years of production left, when an adapeter does the trick and you make the customer pay for it?
@@powertothesheeple5422 Completely agree, even if the adapter was included it still doesn't make sense to have two ports... thats like making a combo Betamax and VHS player.
Mad respect for filming, editing, and releasing a video all on the same day 🫡
Now we've even got dongles for our cars! What will we think of next lol
This will apply to a tiny number of cars ~400k. Most will come witha NACS port next year. Better to standardize now than never
Dongles for brain
@@thomasreese2816 NCS is used only in the USA you know right? China uses their own port and EU uses CCS. The whole world should be standardised.
in europe pretty much every car has and charger is CCS, a standard is just great
dongles for brains 💀💀
There is the V4 Tesla superchargers: higher wattage output up to 350KW, liquid cooled cables, and the cables are longer. So non-Teslas will not be as much of an issue as those cables are long enough to at least reach mid way down a longer vehicle or the other end on a shorter one.
Technically its not 2 chargers per car, its just 1 extra
So if there are 10 fords they will take up 11 spots
They might start a new thing like teslas on left spots and fords on the right side spots
There is none V4 supercharges yet. It still V3 with V4 dispenser. So same power as V3
@@evkx exactly. And no 800V either :(
Not true just yet
@@evkx No, those are V4 Superchargers. Tesla calls them V4, it's just fans think V4's are higher power.
Jerry's vids are so good, they are informative and genuinely calming to watch, especially the car vids
Glad you like them!
Agreed. Love the content
Zack's videos are also this good.
Nah, he moans about Tesla having a 30% markup for non Teslas and then goes on to say the Electrify America price would be so much greater. Sorry, the Tesla network is one of the benefits of buying a Tesla. When can we expect Ford to have their hi-speed charging network that Tesla owners can use?
All the vids are like this.
In europe the tesla-chargers were open for a while now, the price difference is about the same, but non-tesla drivers can get a monthly subscription for $12, and then get tesla-pricing on non-tesla's. I'd guess something like this will be available in the US as well.
Uk home charge is £0.40 a kwh
America has cheap electricity at 6 pence
uk has a price cap of 0.28, north europe has 6-10 cents per kWh. The Average Electricity Rate in the U.S. is 15.73 cents@@JaSon-wc4pn
They do $12.99 month
In Norway you can pay for a subscription on Tesla chargers to get the same rate as Tesla owners. It’s about 13$ per month.
In Australia the monthly sub for non Tesla's is AU$9.99 (US$6.60) BUT... If you don't subscribe the kWh fee is AU$0.85c/kWh compared to the Tesla owner price of AU$0.70c/kWh (THE most expensive in Australia).
Same available in U.S. now. $12.99 month for Supercharging Membership that allows non-Tesla owners to charge at the reduced rate per kWh.
You have some of the best informational videos. Keep up the great work.
Jerry's voice is so calming...he is my source of white noise while studying
His name is Zack.
@@xploration1437 ik...I have a bad habit of calling youtubers by their channel names
@@xploration1437so then why is the channel called jerryrigeverything? Just asking
@@Lithium59 because that’s how the saying is. Jerry rig. It doesn’t have to be his name.
excellent review. you covered several aspects the other reviewers missed. One, the length of the cord. (Your Mom could have backed up another 2 feet!) and two the cost. That Tesla charges more for electricity for non-Tesla customers, doesn't concern me. the comparison prices you show are very helpful. Third, your comment about how many non-Tesla's there are on the road vs existing Tesla vehicles is important to note. can't wait to get my adaptor. Thanks!
I’m thinking there might be another variable he didn’t realize in the video. What if his mom is paying the 13 dollar fee to get the reduction in the cost
Watched many videos on this and you're the first to mention the higher rate. Thanks
Thanks for making a to the point video of this lightning. Great point about the free adapter being free just for a few months. I could see a lightning drive over the curb to get to the last charger on the right
I may have missed it but if memory serves correct you can pay Tesla a monthly rate to get the charging rates that Tesla owners get.
Not through Ford's plug and charge, however. There's been no confirmation you can enable a supercharger for a Ford EV through the Tesla app, but it would be great if you could.
@@kennyb123 checked my app. It is 12.99 a month for a non Tesla charging membership. I don't see how they would stop other non Tesla's from using that adapter when it looks to be the same thing they have in their magic dock.
Also, 47cents vs the 6cents at home, that monthly subscription is still costing you money. IF the station works with your vehicle. And if you are daily driving or making frequent long trips in anything but a widely compatible charging network, you're not buying a ford.
@@SirSilvia if the cost savings per kilowatt exceeds the monthly subscription rate it would totally be worth it. Plus anyone doing truck stuff wouldn't buy a Tesla anyways.
Yupp. $12.99 per month. Worth it even if you charge a non Tesla 1 or 2 times per month
I love your content, precise and also factually correct! The price aspect is very accurate.
Wish we could have seen some content of Zack getting his lightning/what he plans to use it for/what he thinks after driving it for a long time. Glad to finally see it in this video though!
Great job on the video Zack! Thanks for making it.
Tesla have had open chargers in Norway for 2 years. I frequently charge my Renault there.
how well do EVs handle those Norwegian winters?
@@gentle285 I have noe idea. Some Tesla,s have free charging. But prises are generally low for me compared to other chargers.
Tesla's are forced to use the same EU plug other car makes are using as far as I know, or you get a converter with it or something. Charging stations for a single brand of car are just not allowed here :).
@@jorismakAll countries should adopt this law. A kWh is a kWh
correct, CCS plug - all cars have that now.@@jorismak
Here in Glendale Arizona we have a supercharger station that is fully magic dock as well.. as a Tesla owner It’s pretty strange to drive by the supercharger and see ford Mach E’s, Audi etron’s and Rivian’s charging at a Tesla supercharger…
Wow, I appreciate you for letting me know about the adapter. I was looking around for awhile for a fast charging adapter and didn't know where to get one and niw injust reserved mine for free ...thanks Jerry👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Very cool, nice to see the manufacturers working together
super happy to see they moved forward with this
Next manufacturers need to establish a standard for charge port location
Car manufacturers haven't been able to decide whether to put the gas cap on the left or on the right side for over 100 years. I'm not getting my hopes up.
And making the charger cables longer will probably just attract copper thieves.
I’d rather that charging stations mimic gas stations, pull through style and with canopy. Then it won’t matter where each vehicle’s charge port is.
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I think as more money gets invested into the infrastructure and large EV trucks get more popular we will eventually get there.
Nice. Never knew you were in Utah until this video. Best regards
That reflexive shake of the charger plug at 5:14 as if it were a conventional gas nozzle... 😏
“Charging a FORD EV at a Tesla supercharger”
**Unexpected Collab**
Haha
All while wearing a Rivian hoodie!
As a Tesla owner, I'm excited to see the charging network open up for more vehicles. All cable lengths will need some work though...
In the future don't get mad when you can't charge your Tesla because the Supercharger station is full with non-Tesla cars 😂
Admitting to owning a Tesla😂
@@lincolnmarklt millions of them on the road. I’ve owned mine for 4 years and it’s a great vehicle.
@@lincolnmarklt my mom has a model 3
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Not that big an impact given the amount of superchargers they've been building. Also, I count 1 Tesla where I live for each other EV.
thank you so much Jerry, i own a FORD mach E, and this is a big help thank for the info.... PS i love your channel.
As always, great video! Thank you!
I've been to that charging station in the middle of the day during winter during a road trip. It was busy as hell and cars were confused as to where to line up and wait. Then after waiting, I pulled into a stall with a broken charger that wasn't labeled broken. Guess what, I had to awkwardly ask the people in the new line (that didn't even see me) if I could cut ahead when one opened. So yeah, adding to that now a truck that is taking up two spots that would be even worse lol. honestly they shoud include some sort of cable extension with those adapters at least but I realize that woudl probably up the cost quite a bit more.
Hopefully Tesla Deploys more chargers soon
They can't extend the cables. They are liquid cooled and couldn't handle additional length. V4 superchargers should eliminate the issue and be the majority of chargers next year
This is just for CCS-NACS conversion
From 2025, Ford will have NACS by default and will be redesigned in such a way that it won't cause any problem
@@tylergood1223they're continuing to add them. They added over 12,000 Superchargers last year.
@@SodaPopin5ki was that in the USA or world?
Come to cali where my home cost more than .45 cents a KWh, can’t wait to leave this state 😂
Come to Minnesota. My off-peak residential rate is $.05. Less then $4 to fully charge my model S.
@@dfreadhoff unfortunately we are headed to Arlington VA next so not too much better haha
Move to Australia. Over 30% of homes now have solar panels. It costs me $0.00c/kWh to charge my Model Y.
@@greghudson9717 we have solar but since we have no batteries to store it we are forced to sell it back to our energy company for only .08. It’s sad how much money PG&E is making off of us.
In Sweden is every Tesla Supercharger open for every electric car and no adapter is needed because they are all ccs.
5:15 old habits die hard 😂 shaking the gas pump
It really should be just like gas stations are now. Where everyone can "fill up" everywhere and prices are displayed and pretty much equal for all customers.
The difference is these were built by Tesla and were a massive investment and gamble on the future which paid off
@@juanramongonzalez9921 Indeed. However there are also plenty of superchargers in Europe, but there anyone must be able to charge at any charger. Ofc. prices differ based on subscriptions etc.
@@juanramongonzalez9921 When you want change, often times you have to break things, sorry... Just don't lose sleep over anguishing CEOs who thinks the world is so unfair
Great information Zack. Your Mom has the same Model Y as I have (nice color choice). What I found amazing is you were able to find not one, but many stalls open at the Draper, Utah Supercharger location. Every time I try to charge there, I'm in a waiting line. If a few Ford trucks show up taking up two stalls, and there is a long line of elitist minded Tesla owners, it will likely get a bit dicey and uncomfortable for the Ford owners. 🙂
As a Tesla owner, I'm glad Tesla is doing this...but I'll probably be eating my own words once I have to wait in line because a few Fords are hogging an entire row of chargers!
This is pretty great. Can't wait till all manufacturers have access. Tried tricking a Tesla Supercharger into thinking my Kia EV6 is a Ford using the app and the A2Z adapter yesterday, but it didn't work unfortunately.
Thanks for sharing to us
Was waiting for that deeper grooves at lv 4
It is not necessarily 2 spots taken if there is another Ford or Non-Tesla, it can park next to you and take the charger from your parking spot. In that case only one spot is wasted (first car in a row).
Thanks for sharing this! Just reserved mine
Have been seeing F150s charging at the superchargers In Monticello, MN for months now. Pretty awesome deal for our TSLA stock
I did not know, it happend now in america. Here in Germany and EU This is completely normal since long time.
In Norway, Ford is putting the charge port on the other side where that blank is now in the US.
I just realized you were at the supercharger right by my house lol. Gonna have to subscribe since we're neighbors apparently
I've charged my Teslas at the Draper Supercharger many times on my trips to Vegas and Arizona. It's usually pretty full so maybe I should look to other Superchargers from now on
It is special that in the USA you can only now charge Tesla with other brands. We have been able to charge with other brands at Tesla here in the Netherlands for over 2 years. Almost all cars here have the 3-phase CCS plug, so you don't have to work with an adapter here.
My small Peugeot E208 has the plug on the left, so I don't have 2 spaces occupied.
Most of the cars here are European/Korean brands. Also the EU enforces universal connectors👍🏻. Downside in The Netherlands is the insane tax mark-up on new cars resulting in the small Tesla charging network. It's a shame cars are used as milking cows here...
Yeah, our settling into a defacto standard took a while, but IMO it is and was worth it for SAE J3400 (NACS). Lots of neat advantages over the CCS1 specification.
car takes up two spots, different costs, possible port on there side. great info in only 5 minutes!
Really it's only n+1 spots, 9 Fords would only need 10 spots if they lined up nicely.
If Ford do fit the charging port on the other side, then you would only take up the single bay - forward planning 🙂
Meanwhile in EU Tesla SC's are mostly available to all EV's and it doesn't need gimmics like adapters. CCS works for all, including Tesla. Unfortunately Tesla SC is on the more expensive side to charge, so it's not the first choice. Other chains also have better charging network, at least here.
thats a dang good looking truck!
As a soon to be Tesla owner, I am happy to see charging networks open up. We do need a better charging infrastructure.
You say that now but once you are repeatedly greeted by no open charging spots (because they are filled with non-Teslas)…
@@someoneelse6934Tesla continues to keep adding more charging stations so shouldn’t an issue.
We pay 0.241 EURO-cents per kWh at our home. Those 6cts prices are crazy.
We pay at least 0.42 euro-cts per kWh at the public charging places that are scattered throughout the neighbourhood. But often prices increase due to the charging subscription you have, so you can pay easily up to 0.76 euro-cts per kWh. And I can't use the solar from my house because I don't have a driveway to park my car on my own personal property (it's normal over here).
Oh shiiiiit, good sharing the knowledge with us. I love that Tesla's making money off of the charging of other vehicles other than their own, but is still providing Tesla owners a big enough discount to show 'em the extra love. This is perfect if you ask me. +30% is bang on, so as the Superchargers aren't eventually taken over by non-Tesla's in years to come. 😎This was a good watch through and through!
you're a wizard, Jerry!
30% markup while the charging infrastructure grows seems fine, I'm more worried when EVs take over am I going to have to search for my branded charger to get the best rate?
Since all cars will be using the same plug, you will be free to charge wherever you want and find the best value. It is still a maturing marked riddled with odd plans, apps and subscriptions and I agree that it is tiresome to have to look at 5 different apps to make sure you get the right price. I am not from the US but it seems it is a world wide problem. I was at a conference centre for a day and charged my car at a L2 charger so I could drive home without having to stop on the way. It took 7 hours to charge to full but that was fine. The problems was that there were 2 companies and when I disovered the other chargers, I noticed they were 20% cheaper. So I went out and moved to the cheaper ones.
I'd never heard of Not A Wheelchair before... As someone who spends ~30% of my life in one, this could be a game changer!
Will have to save up for one for sure. 😁
Also, between finding your company in this video, and the horse one... You get a subscribe. So wholesome!
I think he currently has a $1000 off deal thingy, he mentioned that in a recent video.
This is exactly what Ford and every other electric car manufacturer needs. A LARGE and RELIABLE charging network is a must. The one thing that kept me away from a mustang ev or any other non-Tesla vehicle was the issues with Electrify America. Great decision by ford and hopefully this just helps expand the Tesla network further with the added income of Ford EV’s.
Jerry, can you go back and "dry fit" the cable to the passenger side? With the current driver's side, that cable barely reaches. However, the cable from the SC comes out of the right side of the station. Thus with you parked on the right side of the station AND with the NASC to CCS adapter, it reaches.
However, if you were to park on the left side, as Teslas do, of the station and plug directly into the passenger side with NASC. Do you think it'll reach? Because the cable from the SC is still coming out of the right side of the station and no adapter.
Here in Europe Tesla started opening up there Supercharger Network to all EVs about 2 Years ago. But The EU also enforced the CCS2 charter for all vehicles so no adapters needed.
There is a tesla membership for I believe around $12 a month that allows you to charge at the same price as a tesla.
In the UK any car can use Tesla chargers but only so many are open to other brands. They all have CCS2 in the UK.
They have the same model of pricing in Europe, unless you get a subscription of I think 12€ or $13 per month in order to receive the same prices as any other Tesla vehicle!
That’s the same adapter that Rivian is sending us! Super excited
In the Netherlands using a public fast charger costs between 65 and 90 eurocents per kwh, which is about $0.7 - $0.97; so $0.45 doesn't seem so bad 😅
I’ve been charging my MG4 at superchargers here in Australia since it was new.
EA in San Antonio is charging .48¢ /kw. Pretty pricey considering I can charge at home for .12¢
car manufacturer's cooperating is something we have not seen before. Very nice to see. Thanks for covering this topic.
Car companies cooperate a lot actually.
Ford's 10 speed automatic transmission is a collab effort between Ford and GM actually.
My 2000 Ford f150 sport had a Mazda 5 speed manual transmission. Does that count?
@@Apollo-Computersit does, op is a typical smoothbrain trying to sound smart.
$0,45 per kWh, damn, those are close to the prices we pay for home use in the Netherlands. $0,06 is like ages ago!
Wholesale price of electricity in the Netherlands today is around 7 cents/kWh. Randomly chosen Dutch Supercharger price right now: 40 cents/kWh. I think you are being ripped off by your electricity provider. 😅
Can’t wait until I can use it with my i4 and id4. Here in Wisconsin, the existing infrastructure is horrible but since I charge at home, it’s not an issue. Can’t wait until gas stations start adding charging stations.
Congrats! We have had that in Sweden for years. Good to see the US ”growing up”.
It was forced in europe. Not forced here.
Let’s hope all gets better!
Will there be any bunker update soon?
There is some in in Denver that bring the adapter and I’ve seen other makers charging
Great to see this. This should have been the case from day 1.
in europe the wrong side charge port cars fill the charger from the right, and tesla's fill in from the left, so there is no unused plug (assuming there is an open spot one right of the right most plug.
@JerryRigEverything - when you plug in a destination on your Lightning Nav screen, does it identify Tesla chargers now as well as EA and others?
I think we are all more curious about the interior of the underground bunker :)
Great review!
Thank you, you are the only creator that has included prices. One caveat, your home charging is likely not $0.06 per KWH, it is likely the cost of the commodity plus you pay per KWH to have it delivered. Don't forget to factor that in when you evaluate your pricing. That being said it is still less than 1/2 price to charge at home.
Yes, most utilities have a generation fee and a distribution fee. Add to that taxes and other fees raises the total cost well over 10 cents per kWh in many areas.
That adapter looks like it would be tons of fun on a cold rainy or bitterly cold snowy day.
Thanks for the video, it's helpful to see non-Tesla's using the Supercharger. The only way to change public perception on EV and all its pros and cons is live action coverage. Reports, statistics are helpful but also easily manipulated to fit a company, political and economic position. Showing people who own EV's in a range of use and recharging is seemingly the only way to normalize the process. I wish everyone well!
While wearing a Rivian hoodie?! 😅👌🏻
Tesla developed their network to support Tesla cars and each purchase of a Tesla, part of that cost goes to building the network. The extra 30% is to make up that contribution to the network. The alternative is to purchase the Tesla monthly subscription to get the same rates. I think it's ~ $13, so after a couple of charging sessions, you'd break even at the $0.11 differential.
Yeah, sounds like a fair mark-up to me. I paid extra for my Tesla so that I could use the stations, while Fords did not. If Tesla thinks charging them a few extra cents is fair, then it sounds good to me!
Very helpful information, thanks.
EA used to be pretty reasonable, but they jacked up their prices recently. You can pay a monthly membership for a 25%ish discount, but that discount isn't always available at certain locations during busy hours and they make it very difficult/impossible to see what the prices are until you are charging.
Very informative video and quick question...How do I go about ordering that adapter? Can it be done online or the dealership?
In Europe alle Tesla chargers are going to CCS, and its open in most countries for other EV's. And the price here are also cheaper than other charging companies.
You need to keep an orange cone in the truck to block off the stall that is unused.
Ok when are you doing the Ford Adapter Durability Test and Teardown?
It’s designed, engineered, and manufactured by Tesla, not Ford.
It'll be really good once they get the J3400 ports on all future EVs. The V4 super charging stations have a much longer whip so it'll be much less likely to need to take up 2 spots when charging vehicles even with the ports on the "wrong" side.
Great video. Thanks for keeping it short. Love the $.30 premium. Well worth it when you show up at an inoperable EA station. 😢
I don't know what they do, but Tesla also has an operations center in Draper at 12832 Frontrunner Blvd.
That's awsome! Nice to see Ford choosing to adopt the NACS charging port before any other manufacturer and starting the transition to the better charging network and port.
Have a question and a Challenge, I watch you Channel for a long time now got some good insight I just recently got my Lightning this past February and recently of the Change Station Pro wait on the Travel Charger and the adapter to use on Tesla Charging stations. Im thinking on getting a Tesla Y in the future and my Question is can you use the Pro the charge the Tesla Y or any Tesla for the matter. So many Sights to many Different answers or am I force to have two different units, Oh Breaker panel upgrade in the future saw you on how you installed your own solar panels paid for mine Thank for you time
Just requested mine! Thank you
First day the entire network is open that is, Tesla opened it to other vehicles a year ago but only select stations. A trial run if you will, one MKBHD charged a Rivian at and had issues with the cable lengths too.
Thanks, very informative
When are you giving us a update on the bunker project