Drake is not 100% hip hop. He's a hybrid. When you listen to Say what's real, Over and other AM PM songs, you can tell that he has been inspired by hip hop. But not all of his songs are hip hop. There is RnB, dancehall and others
That’s a great way to see it. The other way round is, he exceeded as a rapper or hip hop prime artist in the beginnings, when he was around them, I mean the Waynes, the tygas, the Minajs, and the coles and Kendricks were all starting or were hot at the time. Over the years I think he’s evolved in different areas over the others. Eg: Tunechi is like top 5 greatest of all time but he kinda uses the same approach over Rap beats, “producer plays beat, and he start spitting” just as a pure rapper and eeyyy that’s Great. That’s Wayne. My point is drake knows he has the ability to be versatile and wants to make music as such. everyone or anyone categorize him anyway because at the end of the day they’re gonna do it. But his ability of being versatile or having the ability to change sounds, rhythms, genres, crowds etc does not change the fact that he his the embodiment of hip hop, he was molded by it, and about 75% of the different sounds he makes, have a basic hiphop-ism to it. And additionally he can also be considered a pop, R&B, dancehall, Trapsoul music, etc. that doesn’t change the fact that he’s hip hop of course, and more.
"Look at these suckas... I ain't no rapper. I'm an actor. Just so happens I know how to rap." Aubrey got the glow for sure, but he epitomizes the me me me attitude that's the antithesis of what Michael Jackson was advocating. Poor kids, poor future.
This video was fun to make because the hip hop world has always been so divided about Drake. But the thing no one can take away from him is the impact and how far he’s come. As a Canadian, watching his rise will always be historic
Ask yourself why has the hip hop world been divided about Drake? Why does he care to be in it? Do you care if he is in it? No one is trying to take away or can take away his monumental accomplishments. He is a legendary artist. But hip hop artist? I guess we need a documentary on explaining what hip hop is? Because clearly Drake fans believe he is hip hop 😂.
@@maxcannon3002 Drakes first two mixtapes, Comeback season, and room for improvement were definitely hip hop. He’s changed throughout the years but he’s already proven he can spit.
@@maxcannon3002 If you think he's not you're disregarding his hip-hop mix tapes and numerous Hip-hop records throughout his 18 year career. Peeps who call him pop mainly hate the fact that he can actually rap well and actually sing well and do both on the same record. Before him, no other artist in Hip-hop or R&B were doing that, they'd have to get features to fill in those blanks or eventually autotune the shiz out of their voice and still not sound half as good. He even opened the doors for someone like Chris Brown after he almost ruined his career with the whole Rihanna thing. First artist I remember getting as big as he was in Hip-hop as a rookie without a record deal. After that so many tried to copy that formula. So for a guy who copied so many and still brought something original that inspired an entire generation in hip-hop...to call him just pop or not hip-hop is asinine and would mean someone like Kendrick ain't hip-hop either by that same measure.
Mos Def never dominated conscious rap. I was born in 90, and my oldest brother in 82. Mos def being dominant has never been a conversation. He’s a respectable talent but never dominated anything . Keep it buck people
Agreed. When I (just my opinion) think conscious rap ... I think A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Arrested Development. Never really was a Mos Def fan though, so my thought process is probably biased.
It's funny that Drake naysayers/haters seem to know all his music tho, but yet try to discredit him 🤔, I'm not a Drake fan, but over time he got my attention & every time he's dropped something over the last few years, I've checked it out, granted everything ain't a hit in which NOBODY has dropped all hits 😏, but this man's catalog is CRAZY, folks should just appreciate his consistency, & thanks to him, he has helped push other artists to tap into their creativity/competitive side to give us dope music in multiple Genre's, he is WITHOUT QUESTION A PART OF HIP HOP, STOP THE 💩, these Old Heads need to quit it, & i been listening to HIP HOP since the 70's ✊, music has evolved whether you like it or not & folks need to understand that
If there was no streaming Drake could not sell 70 million units off one album. Michael Jackson did that with Thriller. Drop streaming, no album will never come close to those numbers, EVER! Even if Drake announced it was his last album and he’s selling physical copies.
"Hip Pop" feels like the perfect way to describe Drake. I would have chosen "A rapper who makes pop music" in that poll. Talented and massively successful dude, but I don't think it was unfair for Yasiin Bey to say most of his music is very commercial these days. Would be nice if he used his platform every once in a while to speak more to the deeper issues affecting us, but of course he's not obligated to. Sometimes folks just wanna vibe. He's clearly picked his lane. But I think he still gets insecure when the "hip hop purists" don't accept him.
Drake hate is crazy…. Ain’t no one near Drizzy. You aren’t listening to any time stamps or no friends in the industry in Target… Yes he’s collaborated on some songs but most of your fav artists have done the same. People say things about Drake they’d never say about other rappers because of how big he is in comparison to any of the others. Dude is the GOAT artist/rapper/songwriter/hit maker
Lets be honest. If you took a pie and divided up pieces equally to represent Drake’s musical influences per genre, there would be a small slice of hip/hop in there. But larger pieces of RnB, PoP, Dance….Mos Def technically was right. Sensitive era we live in nowadays. Cant say ghey cant say the truth!
You’re obviously not paying attention if this is your conclusion. The hip hop part would be much bigger. You probably get stuck on the stuff you don’t like.
@@akcoop listen sensitive drake fan today’s lesson is called mathematics. If you carefully examine what i wrote i used a pie to represent fractions, which is percentages. All mathematics. You magically say i used a horrible analogy. The definition of analogy is the comparison of 2 things. I understand the truth hurts and you want Drake to be hip hop. Well he is, but just a small part. He is more a pop artist. Or better yet a very successful versatile artist that switches his style up at will. The”Honestly Nevermind” album is what?? Its not hip hop…..
Drake is appealing because the sound he presents is what young people like to hear. For me, being a fan of hip hop for 35 years, I have seen the evolution of hip hop from Run DMC, Rakim through Nas to Eminem. I heard all the lyrics and the consciousness found in the lyrics. When I listen to Drake, I don’t hear any of the things that I heard in hip hop all of those years ago. It doesn’t sound like hip hop and it feels nothing like the music Run DMC, Public Enemy or Rakim put out.
@@andremiller1566 lmao which one of us is the outsider here? You don’t seem to even know the term rap precludes the term hip hop so your corny framing as if only conscious rap like KRS deserves the title of “hip hop” is just boomer old head bullshit to be frank with u since you wanna call ppl outsiders for having a better grasp on the culture than u do 🤣 the core of ur point revolves around understanding genres. Drake does multiple genres which is why he can’t be called just “pop” or “rap” like the video says and like Wayne said he’s a hybrid. KRS and presumably others you’re lumping in the term hip hop are more accurately called conscious rappers or boom bap lyricists now a days. There’s your lesson for today outsider.
@@gyapa Hip Hop is a culture. Rap is music. Drake is rap music not Hip Hop culture. Not American culture. Not Black American culture. Just regionless, meaningless rap music. That's ok. It's for you. Not me.
Drake has done more for music than most of these nostalgic rappers who always look down on him when he is above them. Dude needs to be respected a ton more. Drake has an easy argument as the greatest of all time. In all honesty, his only sin is being bi-racial, light skinned, not faking being gangster, he literally is what he is and it should be acceptable. It's crazy how he is still doubted even after slightly losing to Jay Z on Light Up, improving enough to wipe all floors with Jay Z on Pound Cake. You can't deny his rapping ability. He has beefed with battle rappers and won. Beefed with legends and won. Went toe to toe with "tough" rappers and held his own. So people like Glasses Malone need to keep his name out their mouth
Exactly!!! Like how gonna call him a pop star because he out raps, performs, and outsells his competition. Like how you gonna be like “he’s not a rapper” but be rapping all the damn time? Like 90% of the time. People simply don’t like him because he’s the biggest out and that bothers them more than anything. Most people who that negative about Drake, definitely listen to him nonstop.
@charlesroberson6738 Drake is literally the GOAT. Rappers just have problems seeing a rapper break records set by Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. He's the reflection of every rapper's insecurity and that's why they hate him. He's the best ever
I’ve been having this conversation with a few friends and the way I see it being hip hop or pop drake is both. I equate it to boxing championship belts. You can be the heavy champ and light heavy weight champ. You don’t have to just be one if your craft and skill has allowed you perform well in both.
Perfect voice for this video😂😂😂 Getting handled by Push and dropping a statement is NOT Hip Hop J Prince speaking on your behalf is NOT Hip Hop Etc. Shout out to Pusha Thanos ❗
@@Demyk7 Pop is most definitely a style/genre of music. There’s music intentionally made to fit that style/genre. Then there’s music that crosses over and becomes popular.
@@Demyk7pop is a genre, which encompasses many cultural elements from style to musical aesthetic like bouncy bright “poppy” beats etc. I think drake does a few different genres which is why this question confuses ppl, he’s not JUST pop he’s also rap sometimes dancehall lmao etc etc.
People are followers and want to trend and be in the debate. In 2012 fans were saying they wanted more of Drake rapping. And were pushing to hear his r&b mixtape. It’s 2024 and people are more confused with their own life and social media is toxic. Bunch of sheep with no fact based opinions. Drake has been around so long he’s done everything. Do all Lamborghini and Ferrari’s look the same? No they don’t. Because if you are the best at what you do you have to push boundaries. Even Michael Jordan’s game changed in his later years. Worked on his footwork more than anything. That’s what Drake is doing now. Working on his feet work.
Thank you maaannn and that’s my point. No hate to Wayne but nobody be listening to Tunechi these days bruh. He’s too 10 greatest but c’mon everywhere now is the Travis, boomin, Don toliver, Carti, YB, Yeat, Uzi, Yatchy, 21, Lil baby, etc. and they’re not even near Wayne but there’re making greater numbers than Wayne now. My point is the new rappers are playing a different game, the 3pt ball, like Curry vs Jordan. Jordan is like Wayne, the travis and the new rappers are like Curry, they’re changing the game and they still hiphop because that’s what molded them. They’re just slightly bigger than “hip hop” if it’s considered to be only a culture tho. Back to Drake’s case, He’s not a 3pt shooter only or a Midrange shooter only, but He’s been working to be able to Score from all areas of the court. And that doesn’t make him less of a hip hop artist but greater than just that. Far greater. He’s too versatile to be fitted in one genre. Is like fitting Lebron at SF while he can play and guard 1-5😂. Drake is the Lebron of Music bruh he can do it all😂😂😂💔
I'm a 55-year-old black male, I've been around hip hop and rap since it's inception, so I think I know a thing or two about what is hip hop, and what is not, and I'm here to tell all the haters that yes, Drake is indeed hip hop, but he is so much more, than just hip hop, check Drake's family history, and the family he was born into, It was all funk and soul music, but being from Toronto, where I'm also from, we were raised on every single genre of music here, and learn to love them equally, and that is what Drake is, and he's got more bangers than Mos Def!!!! and if rappers could do what Drake does they would do it but they can't, so stop the hate. 🇨🇦
Drake is an artist that makes great music. He's rap/r&b. He is beyond any one genre. Whats hes making is better than what many consider rap nowadays. Alot of these rappwrs arent from the streets...frontin'.
Drake is one of the most versatile artists of this generation. He makes Hip-Hop, R&B, House, Afrobeat, and more. You can be more than one thing. I don’t know why this is hard for some people to understand
Is something wrong with being pop? Drake can rap his head off,when he want to be in that space.Mos def with the skirt is crossing over to something as well,image wise
When people struggle to fit you into, a category ...politics about you becomes the norm.... when people cant say your a good writer... they politic about you and ghost writters
Nobody said Eminem was pop when he was doing the same breakout. Drake wasn’t to be the biggest artist ever, which he has, but that doesn’t mean his music isn’t rooted deeply in hip hop and the culture means it’s just popular hip hop
Eminem was based in the hip-hop subgenre of horrocore, which is grimy and hip-hop through and through. He just found more commercial success because he's an amazing rapper who happens to be white, but he's totally "a hip-hop purist" who prides himself on his pen. Drake is different, he consciously went Pop for sustained commercial success hence why he adapts to any popping sounds to appeal to their audience and even incorporates ghostwriting into his craft(an absolute No-No in hip-hop principles). So they're different scenarios, Eminem is the best selling hip-hop artiste of all time and never ever went Pop. Instead the complaints about Em has been "he raps too fast", "I don't like his new material, we prefer his old stuff", "he's more successful because he's white", "he uses many words that are not that deep". No one ever says "Eminem is Pop".
Drake’s attempt to be relatable emotionally is overshadowed by his lyrics alienating his fan base by naming people we don’t know and places we don’t know or will ever go. His core audience no longer relates so he tries to gain new listeners from other fanbases which comes across as inauthentic and that’s not of the culture. That’s the true Drake dilemma: do we continue to champion someone not of the culture? This is the reason the culture questions its embrace of Gunna and his return.
I really enjoy this side of him lol. I dont know any context on what he raps about but I can relate to him on the feelings he is expressing. I don’t mind it at all, at least he’s expressing his real emotions
I can't blame Mos Def cause he came from an era where people were really rapping. He's probably only heard the mainstream Drake songs and that made him form that opinion.
I think Rap and Hip Hop is two different things.. Rap has become main stream.. Hip Hop most likely to wat most def and most “Hip Hop Purist” consider Hip Hop.. consciousness, substance ie is not mainstream or POP
Coincidentally Im a math teacher. Im also a hiphop junkie. Most Def’s Black on Both Sides is probably in my top ten rap albums of all time. With that said, Mathematics is probably my favorite track on there. Nonetheless, Drake is pure hiphop. As hiphop becomes widely accepted e.i. jingles, commercials, etc…. just because one becomes popular to the masses doesn’t mean he is “pop” in genre. He’s just a very VERY successful rap artist. Drake represents everything hiphop is capable of doing… and he does all things well. Remember when Mos sang on a few tracks? Andre 3000? If those guys were to do the same numbers as Drake, do they automatically become less hiphop? I say all this respectfully and Im interested in your thoughts 💯
Drake is definitely pop, but you do have some great rap songs as well. I'm a drake fan. People who only listen to hotline bling and in my feelings are going to judge and say Drake can't rap, Drake is not lyrical, etc etc. Drake can rap his ass off when he wants to, he's a great storyteller. However he's very strategic, because he knows what gets played and what does it get played and he goes based on what can make him popular and make him money. Drake is not going to make a song with a conscience message about the streets. Because he never wrapped about selling drugs, killing people, going to prison, because he never lived the street life so he's going to rap about what he knows and what he's have experienced.
Nah nah.....he got great ghostwriter and he a good actor he's studied imitated...stole styles ...he a massive popstar tho ..works for him but not authentic by any means...culture vulture who comes from acting background...no substance he not from hood so he not credible😮but good at what he does
@@user-pt8fg8ix1c ghost writing thing is such a failed fallacy when QM was credited on 4 songs on a mictape and they were catchy hooks and not real bars. drake has written every real bar himself
Lmao, was QM credited on Meek Mill's "Rico"? exactly. If he used someone to write his bars at that point, what makes you think he didn't use other prior and after?? Your fanatism? lol. Y'all trying to delete history is hilarious
@@arseeoliveira6934 u single him out for using writers while other emcees have also too. infact he's written for a lot of renowned mc. the day that someone doesn't have a single person helpin them write is the day those allegations matter
Why haven’t y’all reached out to Daylyt who states he wrote gods plan and back to back for drake. He talked about the many hits he wrote for drake and got no credit and very little pay
Dont fuckin play with drake....that man did more for the culture than most of your favorites....kendrick is my favorite rapper but to downplay drakes hardwork is criminal....top 5 not 5
Drake is soft as baby thighs, but he is hip hop... and ghost writing should discredit "lyrical" artists more than it does, because what we know is likely the tip of the iceberg.
Yall gotta stop the cap 🧢 with Mike Jackson streaming is what made it happen easy. Mike was outside when you had to sell cds and you look at pure sells the number don’t even come close to Mike Jackson.
Drake was never a conscious rapper. Nor he is hip-hop/rap at all, he is pop all the way. You can't name 1 rap/hip-hop artist that he is better than or on par with. Especially Kendrick Lamar, Drake needs to name drop in rap, to remain relevant as a rap artist
Snoop said Drake doesn’t miss but one aspect of rap that Drake misses in is battle rap tho he did diss Meek Mill Meek responded way later ultimately giving Drake the W Ik why Drake doesn’t battle probably cause he doesn’t know how to go off the top and rap beefs cause drama which could potentially hurt sales
Drake is literally someone who watched everything from another country and fell in love with music in general. He isnt hip hop because hip hop is more than just a genre its a way of life for many.
Michael Jackson, who passed away 15 years ago, remains an unparalleled force in pop music. His album sales persistently rival those of current top stars, even in the era of streaming. While Drake has solidified his position in rap and pop, comparing him to the King of Pop feels like a stretch. MJ’s influence goes beyond music, encompassing dance, business acumen, and songwriting prowess-traits evident in his enduring success. Drake, in his own right, has mastered a different formula, effortlessly connecting with diverse genres and adapting to evolving musical landscapes, albeit with some criticism. Both are legends, but MJ’s imprint on pop music is unparalleled, setting the standard for success that artists, including Drake, still measure themselves against.
I seer there was a general drake who was either British or Spanish. I and he was so loved and respected even slave ships and business have been named after him
I don’t really listen to Drake but you can’t deny the hip hop influence in his music. We can’t applaud Hip Hop’s growth, influence, and reach but then turn around and say someone isn’t hip hop because he didn’t exactly grow up in the mold of the culture. Drake is that extent hip hop has reached, a suburban kid from Canada. That’s a plus, hip hop has brewed one of the biggest artists whether we like it or not. Call it what you want but without hip hop could Drake have ever had a start when rapping was his primary passion?
Substance is define as “the quality of being important, valid, or significant” Drake makes a ton of love songs. Idk why love songs aren’t considered substantive. It can’t be only when rappers are speaking on racism, drugs or homies dying is the only time that shit is considered “lyrical” or real. Love has just as much if not more substance than gratuitously sad or woke songs.
I would say hes hybrid or just versitile but one thing you missed is that during 2015 beef with meek mill drake dropped back to back, charged up, and hotline bling all within 3 days, and the labels and rich executives pushed hotline bling to become the biggest pop song at the time, everyone was singing it from soccer moms to kids, this made people also check out the diss tracks he dropped... drake used his versitility and won the beef and due to being bigger than meek and not stepping down and releasing 2 diss tracks while dropping the hottest pop song in 2015
Man! Everything this man put out did numbers hands down and it sale, give this guy his props. Mos Def sound like a lil ol bitch trying to apologize, I believe when Mos got done with that interview I'm pretty sure someone told him he was wrong! Leave Drake alone with this bullshit! He is amazing 👏 🤩 charts,hits,albums and numbers don't lie! The fucking goat! 🐐 We seeing history made in music, he is music!
Most people I know who listen to Drake don't know who Mos Def is. Also not all music needs to be about something deep. He is fun to listen too. There is one more Canadian that moved between rap and pop, K-OS. He went hard on Superstar Part 0 and then reggae on Crucial.
Drake is hiphop . Just cause he doesnt stick strictly to rapping, that doesnt mean he is not hip hop. WTF we call Mary J Blige the QUEEN of HIP HOP, and she had not have a rap verse ...
drake is getting more help than the average artist. Most artists are not backed by the machine that he has. There isn't any other artist that can compare to him because most are forced out. An artist would be lucky to have 2 mainstream albums. The question is, why wasn't he forced out. I'll always remember the ying yang twins and how they had a huge hit, then after that they were gone.
Writing your raps is a must not only to be called king of rap but a rapper otherwise your just a star a performer an actor reading music script. Drake would kill it in Bollywood. 😂
Drake is a Swiss Army knife. He can do it all, I think that's a good thing but somehow people talk about it like it's a detriment. If he's not hip hop he shouldn't be able to outrap 90% of the field when he does choose to rap
Do you think Drake is Hip Hop, Pop or somewhere in between?
Drake is Thanos collecting all the stones
I don’t think it matters. You can’t box him into a category. Drake sometimes taps into Hip Hop, sometimes R&B, ect. Drake is Drake 🐐
I think Drake is an actor, acting like an artist
I think you sound like a fruit pop... and it made it hard to watch the video 🤷
Can't say fruit pop? 😂😭
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Drake is not 100% hip hop. He's a hybrid. When you listen to Say what's real, Over and other AM PM songs, you can tell that he has been inspired by hip hop. But not all of his songs are hip hop. There is RnB, dancehall and others
Hip hop is a bunch of people rapping about killing people and strippers
That’s a great way to see it. The other way round is, he exceeded as a rapper or hip hop prime artist in the beginnings, when he was around them, I mean the Waynes, the tygas, the Minajs, and the coles and Kendricks were all starting or were hot at the time. Over the years I think he’s evolved in different areas over the others. Eg: Tunechi is like top 5 greatest of all time but he kinda uses the same approach over Rap beats, “producer plays beat, and he start spitting” just as a pure rapper and eeyyy that’s Great. That’s Wayne. My point is drake knows he has the ability to be versatile and wants to make music as such. everyone or anyone categorize him anyway because at the end of the day they’re gonna do it. But his ability of being versatile or having the ability to change sounds, rhythms, genres, crowds etc does not change the fact that he his the embodiment of hip hop, he was molded by it, and about 75% of the different sounds he makes, have a basic hiphop-ism to it. And additionally he can also be considered a pop, R&B, dancehall, Trapsoul music, etc. that doesn’t change the fact that he’s hip hop of course, and more.
Super clear
Don’t really rock with Drake but I can’t front on this assessment
The time zone songs are all rap wtf.
Drake is a good actor that raps, just give him the script
"Look at these suckas... I ain't no rapper. I'm an actor. Just so happens I know how to rap." Aubrey got the glow for sure, but he epitomizes the me me me attitude that's the antithesis of what Michael Jackson was advocating. Poor kids, poor future.
This video was fun to make because the hip hop world has always been so divided about Drake. But the thing no one can take away from him is the impact and how far he’s come. As a Canadian, watching his rise will always be historic
He has become a legendary popular artist, doubt he will ever be taken seriously as an mc though. Maybe in like 50 years after all the witnesses die
Ask yourself why has the hip hop world been divided about Drake? Why does he care to be in it? Do you care if he is in it? No one is trying to take away or can take away his monumental accomplishments. He is a legendary artist. But hip hop artist? I guess we need a documentary on explaining what hip hop is? Because clearly Drake fans believe he is hip hop 😂.
@@TransKidsMafiaAnd that’s fine. He will be remembered by everyone longer than the best Emcee’s
@@maxcannon3002 Drakes first two mixtapes, Comeback season, and room for improvement were definitely hip hop. He’s changed throughout the years but he’s already proven he can spit.
@@maxcannon3002 If you think he's not you're disregarding his hip-hop mix tapes and numerous Hip-hop records throughout his 18 year career.
Peeps who call him pop mainly hate the fact that he can actually rap well and actually sing well and do both on the same record.
Before him, no other artist in Hip-hop or R&B were doing that, they'd have to get features to fill in those blanks or eventually autotune the shiz out of their voice and still not sound half as good.
He even opened the doors for someone like Chris Brown after he almost ruined his career with the whole Rihanna thing. First artist I remember getting as big as he was in Hip-hop as a rookie without a record deal. After that so many tried to copy that formula. So for a guy who copied so many and still brought something original that inspired an entire generation in hip-hop...to call him just pop or not hip-hop is asinine and would mean someone like Kendrick ain't hip-hop either by that same measure.
Mos Def never dominated conscious rap. I was born in 90, and my oldest brother in 82. Mos def being dominant has never been a conversation. He’s a respectable talent but never dominated anything . Keep it buck people
Agreed. When I (just my opinion) think conscious rap ... I think A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Arrested Development. Never really was a Mos Def fan though, so my thought process is probably biased.
Black on Both Sides is a bonafide classic though. Same for the first Black Star record.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion but numbers don't lie put some respect on Drake's name
True he’s the number one pop rapper in the game 💯
It's funny that Drake naysayers/haters seem to know all his music tho, but yet try to discredit him 🤔, I'm not a Drake fan, but over time he got my attention & every time he's dropped something over the last few years, I've checked it out, granted everything ain't a hit in which NOBODY has dropped all hits 😏, but this man's catalog is CRAZY, folks should just appreciate his consistency, & thanks to him, he has helped push other artists to tap into their creativity/competitive side to give us dope music in multiple Genre's, he is WITHOUT QUESTION A PART OF HIP HOP, STOP THE 💩, these Old Heads need to quit it, & i been listening to HIP HOP since the 70's ✊, music has evolved whether you like it or not & folks need to understand that
Don’t you dare call Drake, “The King of Pop.” Don’t do it
Michael Jackson will forever be the king of pop. It’s almost criminal how people are comparing drake to him like tf.
If there was no streaming Drake could not sell 70 million units off one album. Michael Jackson did that with Thriller. Drop streaming, no album will never come close to those numbers, EVER! Even if Drake announced it was his last album and he’s selling physical copies.
Would never 😂
I completely concur 🔥🔥🔥✊🏾
@@NdoubleN2if mj had streaming he wont be selling all those albums
they got the most zestiest sounding person to voice over this drake video.
Drake 🥩🚴
yeah i almost had to click off SMH
@@kneegrownonsense88 dont worry you cant catch gay anymore. they cured it
Don’t do that to me 😂
@@kneegrownonsense88imagine hating for no reason🤦♂️🤣
"Hip Pop" feels like the perfect way to describe Drake. I would have chosen "A rapper who makes pop music" in that poll.
Talented and massively successful dude, but I don't think it was unfair for Yasiin Bey to say most of his music is very commercial these days. Would be nice if he used his platform every once in a while to speak more to the deeper issues affecting us, but of course he's not obligated to. Sometimes folks just wanna vibe. He's clearly picked his lane. But I think he still gets insecure when the "hip hop purists" don't accept him.
Well said!
This is the best way summarize drake.
If I was Drake I would take it as a compliment and then take the work hip-pop and trademark that shit.
nah whoever edited the most def sku's part bodied it 💀
CT the goat!
Drake could make a grunge rock album where he only play the guitar and it would still be Pop cause he’s Drake now.
@phantomxero1x447 facts. But even if he did, they’d call it Pop.
Drake hate is crazy…. Ain’t no one near Drizzy. You aren’t listening to any time stamps or no friends in the industry in Target… Yes he’s collaborated on some songs but most of your fav artists have done the same. People say things about Drake they’d never say about other rappers because of how big he is in comparison to any of the others. Dude is the GOAT artist/rapper/songwriter/hit maker
Opinion not fact
Actual fact the numbers don’t lie
Yall weird on this app
Statistically ALL of u stream his music everyday 🤣
“Crack fiens buy 10 million crack rocks, that don’t mean crack good”- Tupac Shakur
That was him talking bout MC Hammer too 😂
HE DIDN’T GO POP HE’S ALWAYS BEEN POP
FACTS
Is Phonte and Big Pooh pop? Y'all gotta do some research.
His first 2 mixtapes maybe even 3 were definitely Hip Hop.
Yep first time I heard him was on bedrock which is what 😂
Lets be honest. If you took a pie and divided up pieces equally to represent Drake’s musical influences per genre, there would be a small slice of hip/hop in there. But larger pieces of RnB, PoP, Dance….Mos Def technically was right. Sensitive era we live in nowadays. Cant say ghey cant say the truth!
Drake has always had BARS throughout his career, especially at the beginning. The “pie” of his hip hop side is definitely big
You’re obviously not paying attention if this is your conclusion. The hip hop part would be much bigger. You probably get stuck on the stuff you don’t like.
Horrible analogy. Drake is a rapper first, always has been. Singing once or twice on a track doesn’t make you an RnB singer.
@@akcoop listen sensitive drake fan today’s lesson is called mathematics. If you carefully examine what i wrote i used a pie to represent fractions, which is percentages. All mathematics. You magically say i used a horrible analogy. The definition of analogy is the comparison of 2 things. I understand the truth hurts and you want Drake to be hip hop. Well he is, but just a small part. He is more a pop artist. Or better yet a very successful versatile artist that switches his style up at will. The”Honestly Nevermind” album is what?? Its not hip hop…..
GHOST WRITING IS A FACT
Almost every artist does it 🙄
They always try to discredit when you are at the top. Majority of the time, it be the ones who can't put out an album or their album flop
Drake is a victim of his own success, longevity and versatility.
Drake is appealing because the sound he presents is what young people like to hear. For me, being a fan of hip hop for 35 years, I have seen the evolution of hip hop from Run DMC, Rakim through Nas to Eminem. I heard all the lyrics and the consciousness found in the lyrics. When I listen to Drake, I don’t hear any of the things that I heard in hip hop all of those years ago. It doesn’t sound like hip hop and it feels nothing like the music Run DMC, Public Enemy or Rakim put out.
Which proves Mos Def's point
@@ALexander-ue3kj yeah, I agree with him, just adding my two cents
@@jakeb3055 but Drake stans are clearly in their feelings over the truth
@phantomxero1x447 Lil Wayne wouldn’t have made it either if Big L were around
Having hits is irrelevant if they’re not timeless or depreciate in quality based on diminishing standards
Right. And Drake doesn't make hits that stand the test of time. At least not anymore
Drake has a ton of timeless songs. And as for his newest tracks only time will tell
@@sixwaybackexactly finally some damn sense 👍🏾
@@sixwaybackyea if ppl think drake has 0 timeless songs. They just hating at that point.
Grandmaster flash The Godfather explained what Hip Hop is “Daring unafraid standing out “ that’s the essence
Drake is Hip-Hop, he just represents the ultimate commercialization of Hip-Hop
Drake is rap. KRS is hip hop. Wu Tang is hip hop. Drake is just rap.
@@andremiller1566that’s a meaningless distinction tbh
@@gyapa Only to disrespectful outsiders. What next? Kung Fu is about fighting?
@@andremiller1566 lmao which one of us is the outsider here? You don’t seem to even know the term rap precludes the term hip hop so your corny framing as if only conscious rap like KRS deserves the title of “hip hop” is just boomer old head bullshit to be frank with u since you wanna call ppl outsiders for having a better grasp on the culture than u do 🤣
the core of ur point revolves around understanding genres. Drake does multiple genres which is why he can’t be called just “pop” or “rap” like the video says and like Wayne said he’s a hybrid. KRS and presumably others you’re lumping in the term hip hop are more accurately called conscious rappers or boom bap lyricists now a days. There’s your lesson for today outsider.
@@gyapa Hip Hop is a culture. Rap is music. Drake is rap music not Hip Hop culture. Not American culture. Not Black American culture. Just regionless, meaningless rap music. That's ok. It's for you. Not me.
Drake has done more for music than most of these nostalgic rappers who always look down on him when he is above them. Dude needs to be respected a ton more.
Drake has an easy argument as the greatest of all time.
In all honesty, his only sin is being bi-racial, light skinned, not faking being gangster, he literally is what he is and it should be acceptable.
It's crazy how he is still doubted even after slightly losing to Jay Z on Light Up, improving enough to wipe all floors with Jay Z on Pound Cake. You can't deny his rapping ability. He has beefed with battle rappers and won. Beefed with legends and won. Went toe to toe with "tough" rappers and held his own. So people like Glasses Malone need to keep his name out their mouth
Exactly!!! Like how gonna call him a pop star because he out raps, performs, and outsells his competition. Like how you gonna be like “he’s not a rapper” but be rapping all the damn time? Like 90% of the time. People simply don’t like him because he’s the biggest out and that bothers them more than anything. Most people who that negative about Drake, definitely listen to him nonstop.
@charlesroberson6738 Drake is literally the GOAT. Rappers just have problems seeing a rapper break records set by Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. He's the reflection of every rapper's insecurity and that's why they hate him. He's the best ever
You're out of your damn mind, speaking like somebody under the age of 20 that doesn't understand all that has come before you.
@@kopanotlholoe8209😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Too much of this debate has become about the sound when it really should be about the message. Drakes sound is hip hop, drakes message is not
I’ve been having this conversation with a few friends and the way I see it being hip hop or pop drake is both. I equate it to boxing championship belts. You can be the heavy champ and light heavy weight champ. You don’t have to just be one if your craft and skill has allowed you perform well in both.
yeah it's so clear and even he admitted it. People just want to tear this man down so bad be he's so successful and good at what he does.
Damn Mos Def really look at her like is you serious with these stupid questions 😂
Perfect voice for this video😂😂😂
Getting handled by Push and dropping a statement is NOT Hip Hop
J Prince speaking on your behalf is NOT Hip Hop
Etc.
Shout out to Pusha Thanos ❗
Drake said he’s Pop. I’m rolling with him on this one.
Pop is a level, not a style. He's still hip hop
@@Demyk7 Pop is most definitely a style/genre of music. There’s music intentionally made to fit that style/genre. Then there’s music that crosses over and becomes popular.
@@Demyk7pop is a genre, which encompasses many cultural elements from style to musical aesthetic like bouncy bright “poppy” beats etc. I think drake does a few different genres which is why this question confuses ppl, he’s not JUST pop he’s also rap sometimes dancehall lmao etc etc.
@@Demyk7 Pop is definitely a genre. .
@@NW7386so is Eminem pop?
People are followers and want to trend and be in the debate. In 2012 fans were saying they wanted more of Drake rapping. And were pushing to hear his r&b mixtape. It’s 2024 and people are more confused with their own life and social media is toxic. Bunch of sheep with no fact based opinions. Drake has been around so long he’s done everything. Do all Lamborghini and Ferrari’s look the same? No they don’t. Because if you are the best at what you do you have to push boundaries. Even Michael Jordan’s game changed in his later years. Worked on his footwork more than anything. That’s what Drake is doing now. Working on his feet work.
Thank you maaannn and that’s my point. No hate to Wayne but nobody be listening to Tunechi these days bruh. He’s too 10 greatest but c’mon everywhere now is the Travis, boomin, Don toliver, Carti, YB, Yeat, Uzi, Yatchy, 21, Lil baby, etc. and they’re not even near Wayne but there’re making greater numbers than Wayne now. My point is the new rappers are playing a different game, the 3pt ball, like Curry vs Jordan. Jordan is like Wayne, the travis and the new rappers are like Curry, they’re changing the game and they still hiphop because that’s what molded them. They’re just slightly bigger than “hip hop” if it’s considered to be only a culture tho. Back to Drake’s case, He’s not a 3pt shooter only or a Midrange shooter only, but He’s been working to be able to Score from all areas of the court. And that doesn’t make him less of a hip hop artist but greater than just that. Far greater. He’s too versatile to be fitted in one genre. Is like fitting Lebron at SF while he can play and guard 1-5😂. Drake is the Lebron of Music bruh he can do it all😂😂😂💔
Ayo pay your editor 😂 double on that edit 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Incredible
Hip hop is culture, rap is music.
I'm a 55-year-old black male, I've been around hip hop and rap since it's inception, so I think I know a thing or two about what is hip hop, and what is not, and I'm here to tell all the haters that yes, Drake is indeed hip hop, but he is so much more, than just hip hop, check Drake's family history, and the family he was born into, It was all funk and soul music, but being from Toronto, where I'm also from, we were raised on every single genre of music here, and learn to love them equally, and that is what Drake is, and he's got more bangers than Mos Def!!!! and if rappers could do what Drake does they would do it but they can't, so stop the hate. 🇨🇦
Mos def ain’t wrong. That’s a very insightful analysis. What he said and implied.
Drake is an artist that makes great music. He's rap/r&b. He is beyond any one genre.
Whats hes making is better than what many consider rap nowadays. Alot of these rappwrs arent from the streets...frontin'.
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Drake is a pop artist dominating hip hop
I enjoyed the whole video ❤️ thanks
Drake is one of the most versatile artists of this generation. He makes Hip-Hop, R&B, House, Afrobeat, and more. You can be more than one thing. I don’t know why this is hard for some people to understand
Drake is bigger than hip hop at this point. He’s pop
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Is something wrong with being pop? Drake can rap his head off,when he want to be in that space.Mos def with the skirt is crossing over to something as well,image wise
Nothing is bigger than Hip Hop.
@@etotheipi42Depends on what your definition of "big" is.
@@etotheipi42Pop by definition is bigger than any other genre
The success of Drake only demonstrate how much Hip Hop has lost its soul and core center
No. The success of Drake is from his ability to expand through multiple genres.
Mos Def is hilarious, Drake is like shopping with an edge 😂😂😂😂 the best analysis I’ve heard on a Drake comparison!!
When people struggle to fit you into, a category ...politics about you becomes the norm.... when people cant say your a good writer... they politic about you and ghost writters
The silence after each question is f**kn classic.
I love Jeremy. no homo! DX did the thing when they called you up! always love your deep dive videos! so informative!!!
Drake is hip hop. Its a new day.
NO SUBSTANCE AT ALL.
Nobody said Eminem was pop when he was doing the same breakout. Drake wasn’t to be the biggest artist ever, which he has, but that doesn’t mean his music isn’t rooted deeply in hip hop and the culture means it’s just popular hip hop
Eminem was based in the hip-hop subgenre of horrocore, which is grimy and hip-hop through and through. He just found more commercial success because he's an amazing rapper who happens to be white, but he's totally "a hip-hop purist" who prides himself on his pen.
Drake is different, he consciously went Pop for sustained commercial success hence why he adapts to any popping sounds to appeal to their audience and even incorporates ghostwriting into his craft(an absolute No-No in hip-hop principles).
So they're different scenarios, Eminem is the best selling hip-hop artiste of all time and never ever went Pop.
Instead the complaints about Em has been "he raps too fast", "I don't like his new material, we prefer his old stuff", "he's more successful because he's white", "he uses many words that are not that deep".
No one ever says "Eminem is Pop".
Hip Pop is a perfect label for Drake.
Drake’s attempt to be relatable emotionally is overshadowed by his lyrics alienating his fan base by naming people we don’t know and places we don’t know or will ever go. His core audience no longer relates so he tries to gain new listeners from other fanbases which comes across as inauthentic and that’s not of the culture. That’s the true Drake dilemma: do we continue to champion someone not of the culture? This is the reason the culture questions its embrace of Gunna and his return.
bro raps about his personal life and u don't like it bc u don't know the people he is talking about or the places he's talking about
I really enjoy this side of him lol. I dont know any context on what he raps about but I can relate to him on the feelings he is expressing. I don’t mind it at all, at least he’s expressing his real emotions
lol what? Speak for yourself
@@kierannyaga5964exactly op is a straight clown 😂
so strange to me why hip hop wouldn't want to claim Drake
Drake is Hip Hop. Drake is Pop. Drake is R&B…etc. Drake is an entertainer.
Wonder what Jimmy has to say after this Rap Battle between Kdot and Drake, Bet he's thinking differently now....
Started from da TOP
I can't blame Mos Def cause he came from an era where people were really rapping. He's probably only heard the mainstream Drake songs and that made him form that opinion.
HipHop is the new POP
And it's been that way for a minute. I wonder if people realize that the mainstream will move on from hip hop, just like it did with rock.
Exactly
Cap
I think Rap and Hip Hop is two different things.. Rap has become main stream.. Hip Hop most likely to wat most def and most “Hip Hop Purist” consider Hip Hop.. consciousness, substance ie is not mainstream or POP
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He's hip hop, pop and r n b, but dabbles in other genres , and this is coming from a person who isn't a huge Drake fan, it just is what it is🤷🏿♂️
Drake is a Hip-Hop/Rap artist turned Pop-Artist w/ very occasional R&B sounds. He really can do it all but chooses to lean more toward pop.
Is this a buzzfeed video 😂
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Coincidentally Im a math teacher. Im also a hiphop junkie. Most Def’s Black on Both Sides is probably in my top ten rap albums of all time. With that said, Mathematics is probably my favorite track on there. Nonetheless, Drake is pure hiphop. As hiphop becomes widely accepted e.i. jingles, commercials, etc…. just because one becomes popular to the masses doesn’t mean he is “pop” in genre. He’s just a very VERY successful rap artist. Drake represents everything hiphop is capable of doing… and he does all things well. Remember when Mos sang on a few tracks? Andre 3000? If those guys were to do the same numbers as Drake, do they automatically become less hiphop? I say all this respectfully and Im interested in your thoughts 💯
" like a sprained ankle boy i aint nothing to play with" 🙄😂😂😂 oh brother ......
Ain't no dilemma. Pop star. Easily.
Drake is definitely pop, but you do have some great rap songs as well. I'm a drake fan. People who only listen to hotline bling and in my feelings are going to judge and say Drake can't rap, Drake is not lyrical, etc etc. Drake can rap his ass off when he wants to, he's a great storyteller. However he's very strategic, because he knows what gets played and what does it get played and he goes based on what can make him popular and make him money.
Drake is not going to make a song with a conscience message about the streets. Because he never wrapped about selling drugs, killing people, going to prison, because he never lived the street life so he's going to rap about what he knows and what he's have experienced.
Nah nah.....he got great ghostwriter and he a good actor he's studied imitated...stole styles ...he a massive popstar tho ..works for him but not authentic by any means...culture vulture who comes from acting background...no substance he not from hood so he not credible😮but good at what he does
Drake is not a storyteller
@@user-pt8fg8ix1c ghost writing thing is such a failed fallacy when QM was credited on 4 songs on a mictape and they were catchy hooks and not real bars. drake has written every real bar himself
Lmao, was QM credited on Meek Mill's "Rico"? exactly. If he used someone to write his bars at that point, what makes you think he didn't use other prior and after?? Your fanatism? lol. Y'all trying to delete history is hilarious
@@arseeoliveira6934 u single him out for using writers while other emcees have also too. infact he's written for a lot of renowned mc. the day that someone doesn't have a single person helpin them write is the day those allegations matter
The word hip hop should not be used interchangeably with rap.
Why haven’t y’all reached out to Daylyt who states he wrote gods plan and back to back for drake. He talked about the many hits he wrote for drake and got no credit and very little pay
Hip Hop is supposed to elevate the common person not pander to their whims
Jim Jones the only man who spoke w no envy
Dont fuckin play with drake....that man did more for the culture than most of your favorites....kendrick is my favorite rapper but to downplay drakes hardwork is criminal....top 5 not 5
Everybody sleeps on tech n9ne when it comes to genre diversity
Not everybody... Technicians are worldwide,loyal,cult fans.We definitely recognize the full skill set of Aaron Yates
Drake is like Vanilla Ice if he didn't flop
We r going to really ignore how big the interviewers forehead is? That thing is like damnnnnn!
Drake is soft as baby thighs, but he is hip hop... and ghost writing should discredit "lyrical" artists more than it does, because what we know is likely the tip of the iceberg.
I was in a a rap group 20 years ago. We all helped each other write. Most People that don't understand this are slow and in denial.
Yall gotta stop the cap 🧢 with Mike Jackson streaming is what made it happen easy. Mike was outside when you had to sell cds and you look at pure sells the number don’t even come close to Mike Jackson.
Exactly
Drake was never a conscious rapper. Nor he is hip-hop/rap at all, he is pop all the way. You can't name 1 rap/hip-hop artist that he is better than or on par with.
Especially Kendrick Lamar, Drake needs to name drop in rap, to remain relevant as a rap artist
Drake makes elevator music… when you get into a elevator you gone love whatever song is playing at that moment 🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣
Bruh that's not how elevator music WORKS who the fuck has listened to ELEVATOR MUSIC AND SAID TO THEMSELVES "oh I love this song" stfu 😅😂😂😂
Lil Wayne transcended hip hop, turned around & taught Drake, Nicki, & Tyga to do the same🐐🐐🐐🐐
0.12 in video what is this beat playing?
Drake "Let Mos Down"
Snoop said Drake doesn’t miss but one aspect of rap that Drake misses in is battle rap tho he did diss Meek Mill Meek responded way later ultimately giving Drake the W Ik why Drake doesn’t battle probably cause he doesn’t know how to go off the top and rap beefs cause drama which could potentially hurt sales
Which clearly indicates he isn’t writing his material. He has to wait for his ghost writers to collab before responding. Improv isn’t his things.
Drake is literally someone who watched everything from another country and fell in love with music in general. He isnt hip hop because hip hop is more than just a genre its a way of life for many.
HIPHOP IS POP!!! Yes drake played a big part in that but Hiphop became the most popular genre of music for a long stretch!
Great discussion.
Thanks for watching!
It's not formulaic. If it was everyone would have done it
Facts
Michael Jackson, who passed away 15 years ago, remains an unparalleled force in pop music. His album sales persistently rival those of current top stars, even in the era of streaming. While Drake has solidified his position in rap and pop, comparing him to the King of Pop feels like a stretch. MJ’s influence goes beyond music, encompassing dance, business acumen, and songwriting prowess-traits evident in his enduring success. Drake, in his own right, has mastered a different formula, effortlessly connecting with diverse genres and adapting to evolving musical landscapes, albeit with some criticism. Both are legends, but MJ’s imprint on pop music is unparalleled, setting the standard for success that artists, including Drake, still measure themselves against.
I seer there was a general drake who was either British or Spanish. I and he was so loved and respected even slave ships and business have been named after him
I don’t really listen to Drake but you can’t deny the hip hop influence in his music. We can’t applaud Hip Hop’s growth, influence, and reach but then turn around and say someone isn’t hip hop because he didn’t exactly grow up in the mold of the culture. Drake is that extent hip hop has reached, a suburban kid from Canada. That’s a plus, hip hop has brewed one of the biggest artists whether we like it or not. Call it what you want but without hip hop could Drake have ever had a start when rapping was his primary passion?
Substance is define as “the quality of being important, valid, or significant” Drake makes a ton of love songs. Idk why love songs aren’t considered substantive. It can’t be only when rappers are speaking on racism, drugs or homies dying is the only time that shit is considered “lyrical” or real. Love has just as much if not more substance than gratuitously sad or woke songs.
Don’t ask drake, don’t ask us, the simple official answer is ask his writers 🤷♂️ they know what they wrote
I would say hes hybrid or just versitile but one thing you missed is that during 2015 beef with meek mill drake dropped back to back, charged up, and hotline bling all within 3 days, and the labels and rich executives pushed hotline bling to become the biggest pop song at the time, everyone was singing it from soccer moms to kids, this made people also check out the diss tracks he dropped... drake used his versitility and won the beef and due to being bigger than meek and not stepping down and releasing 2 diss tracks while dropping the hottest pop song in 2015
Man! Everything this man put out did numbers hands down and it sale, give this guy his props. Mos Def sound like a lil ol bitch trying to apologize, I believe when Mos got done with that interview I'm pretty sure someone told him he was wrong! Leave Drake alone with this bullshit! He is amazing 👏 🤩 charts,hits,albums and numbers don't lie! The fucking goat! 🐐 We seeing history made in music, he is music!
At least he said “to me”
The Prince of Pop
Most people I know who listen to Drake don't know who Mos Def is. Also not all music needs to be about something deep. He is fun to listen too. There is one more Canadian that moved between rap and pop, K-OS. He went hard on Superstar Part 0 and then reggae on Crucial.
Drake is hiphop . Just cause he doesnt stick strictly to rapping, that doesnt mean he is not hip hop. WTF we call Mary J Blige the QUEEN of HIP HOP, and she had not have a rap verse ...
drake is getting more help than the average artist. Most artists are not backed by the machine that he has. There isn't any other artist that can compare to him because most are forced out. An artist would be lucky to have 2 mainstream albums. The question is, why wasn't he forced out. I'll always remember the ying yang twins and how they had a huge hit, then after that they were gone.
Writing your raps is a must not only to be called king of rap but a rapper otherwise your just a star a performer an actor reading music script.
Drake would kill it in Bollywood. 😂
Drake is a Swiss Army knife. He can do it all, I think that's a good thing but somehow people talk about it like it's a detriment. If he's not hip hop he shouldn't be able to outrap 90% of the field when he does choose to rap
He's a great actress😂😂